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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • #2132
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    If that report is true (a big IF), then obviously Suarez has explaining to do. However, should Evra not have similar explaining to do?

    I would imagine that referring to someone by their nationality (or their continent) would come under the strict definition of racist?

    Also, if he accused Marriner of booking him because he is black (big IF again), then surely he should be in trouble for playing the race card himself??

    I'm a Liverpool fan but this shouldn't be about Liverpool V Man Utd. If the report is true then neither player comes off in a good light and fans, regardless of allegiance, should at least have the decency to admit that there seems to be a pair of them in it.


  • #2133
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    amiable wrote: »
    Good distraction tactics from the fact Evra wouldn't dream of playing the race card that has been mentioned here so often

    Which you are also using, seeing as Liverpool fans clung on to the "negrito" defence for so long.

    Well played.


  • #2134
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Would it make me a racist if i did.

    more wriggling, why can't anyone directly answer a question?

    More interesting stuff.

    Cool.


  • #2135
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,490 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Negro is the correct term for a black man is it not? :confused:

    It's Spanish for black.


  • #2136
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    From did they get those quotes from?


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  • #2137
    MagicMarker
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    The correct answer is no, negro is not the correct term for a black person, and many would find it extremely offensive.


  • #2138
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Mod Note:

    I would caution everyone, since this thread has started again, that everyone thinks carefully before they post. This thread has resulted in a awful lot of infractions and bannings.


  • #2139
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    IMO suarez should get a long ban and set the example that players using racists term will be severely punished.


  • #2140
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    IMO suarez should get a long ban and set the example that players using racists term will be severely punished.

    And what about Evra.


  • #2141
    upandcumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    IMO suarez should get a long ban and set the example that players using racists term will be severely punished.

    How long?


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  • #2142
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    And what about Evra.

    More wriggling?

    Why won't you answer my questions?

    Too hard?


  • #2143
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Des wrote: »
    More wriggling?

    Why won't you answer my questions?

    Too hard?

    No i wouldnt call a black man a negro, whats your point.


  • #2144
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    No i wouldnt call a black man a negro, whats your point.

    Why wouldn't you?

    My point is this, if you wouldn't use that word there must be a reason for that.

    Do you apply this reasoning all the time, or just when it suits you?


  • #2145
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Des wrote: »
    Why wouldn't you?

    My point is this, if you wouldn't use that word there must be a reason for that.

    Do you apply this reasoning all the time, or just when it suits you?

    Its not politically correct to use it i suppose, even though i dont consider it a racist thing to say, if i was south amercian it may be normal for me to use it.


  • #2146
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    upandcumming wrote: »
    How long?

    10 games should do;)


  • #2147
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its not politically correct to use it i suppose, even though i dont consider it a racist thing to say, if i was south amercian it may be normal for me to use it.

    The incident did not take place in South America. the comment was not directed towards a South American black man.

    The onus is ALWAYS on the visitor to educate themselves to societal norms as to what is and is not acceptable in a country/area to which they move.


  • #2148
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    niallo27 wrote: »
    And what about Evra.

    If he was being racially abused through out the game then he could have been sensitive to it. A lot of players from either side got away with fouls that could have been yellows before that.


  • #2149
    Kylo Ren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its not politically correct to use it i suppose, even though i dont consider it a racist thing to say, if i was south amercian it may be normal for me to use it.

    Yes it may be normal for you to use it, then again maybe it's not.

    If it is used in SA that's alright to say....in SA. He has been in Holland for three years and at Liverpool nearly a year. If I am in SA and 'What's the craic' can be construed as something offensive then guess what? I will not not use that phrase while I am in SA.


  • #2150
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Des wrote: »
    The incident did not take place in South America. the comment was not directed towards a South American black man.

    The onus is ALWAYS on the visitor to educate themselves to societal norms as to what is and is not acceptable in a country/area to which they move.

    You do realise we are taking about a game of football here, what are your views on Evras comments about the ref.


  • #2151
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    You do realise we are taking about a game of football here, what are your views on Evras comments about the ref.

    If the comments attributed to Evra are true, then it was a grossly idiotic thing to say.

    What do you think my views would be?

    Did you think I'd try to defend him because he plays for Man U?

    I'm not you brah.


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  • #2152
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Des wrote: »
    If the comments attributed to Evra are true, then it was a grossly idiotic thing to say.

    What do you think my views would be?

    Did you think I'd try to defend him because he plays for Man U?

    I'm not you brah.

    I expected you to say that, you cant really defend stupidity of that highest order, why didnt he say this in his interview after the game.


  • #2153
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    I expected you to say that, you cant really defend stupidity of that highest order, why didnt he say this in his interview after the game.

    I don't know, my name isn't Mystic Des, it's just plain old Des.


  • #2154
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    This will go down as a ridiculous misunderstanding and rightly so .

    But it shouldn't be left at that .The FA should now update its policy/rules on racism in the game so no such incidents can ever occur again .


  • #2155
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Listen footballers aren't the brightest of people in most occasions, both players ****ed up, but if you want me to come out and admit i think suarez is a racist i cant because i truly don't think he is.


  • #2156
    MaceFace
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    What I find interesting is that two lads can remember what they said during a game of footie. When I play, I say a lot but don't remember half of it when the game is finished.

    Besides that I don't like people calling for punishment because English culture doesn't tolerate certain things.
    What I mean is that you could go to Hungary and clink glasses, or Pakistan and kiss a girl in public, or India and ask for beef or Thailand and insult the monarchy. All of these things would be offensive to people in those countries but is acceptable in this part of the world.
    The use of any word needs to be put into context rather than just a black and white decision.
    If there was racist intentions about those words, then he deserves to be punished, but if he was simply identifying a person based on their physical attributes without any malice intended then he should not be punished.


  • #2157
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Listen footballers aren't the brightest of people in most occasions, both players ****ed up, but if you want me to come out and admit i think suarez is a racist i cant because i truly don't think he is.

    I don't think he is a racist either, as it happens.

    I do think he used the term in a racist way, in this incident, though. And for that he should be punished.


  • #2158
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    MaceFace wrote: »
    What I mean is that you could go to Hungary and clink glasses, or Pakistan and kiss a girl in public, or India and ask for beef or Thailand and insult the monarchy. All of these things would be offensive to people in those countries but is acceptable in this part of the world.
    Why would you do those things in those countries, if you knew it was going to cause offence?:confused:


  • #2159
    Giggsy11
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    MaceFace wrote: »
    What I find interesting is that two lads can remember what they said during a game of footie. When I play, I say a lot but don't remember half of it when the game is finished.

    Besides that I don't like people calling for punishment because English culture doesn't tolerate certain things.
    What I mean is that you could go to Hungary and clink glasses, or Pakistan and kiss a girl in public, or India and ask for beef or Thailand and insult the monarchy. All of these things would be offensive to people in those countries but is acceptable in this part of the world.
    .

    No. That's not true at all :pac:

    If found guilty what is the min/max ban he will be getting?


  • #2160
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Could evra get banned for accusing the Ref of acting in a racist way, what kind of ban could he expect.


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  • #2161
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Could evra get banned for accusing the Ref of acting in a racist way, what kind of ban could he expect.

    Unless the ref reported it, then I'd say not tbh.


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