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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In other news, Blatter says racist comments should be settled with a handshake
    The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, on Wednesday provoked a furious backlash after claiming racist abuse between players on the pitch should be settled by a handshake.
    Asked if he thought there was racism on the pitch, Blatter told CNN World Sport: "I would deny it. There is no racism, there is maybe one of the players towards another, he has a word or a gesture which is not the correct one. But also the one who is affected by that, he should say that this is a game.
    "We are in a game, and at the end of the game, we shake hands, and this can happen, because we have worked so hard against racism and discrimination. I think the whole world is aware of the efforts we are making against racism and discrimination. And, on the field of play sometimes you say something that is not very correct, but then at the end of the game, the game is over and you have the next game where you can behave better."
    He added on Al Jazeera: "During a match you may say something to someone who's not looking exactly like you, but at end of the match it's forgotten."

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wEhqzXc21mc/TcpTlJm1EtI/AAAAAAAAHlk/8iYir5JZpP8/s1600/sepp-blatter.jpeg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    In other news, Blatter says racist comments should be settled with a handshake

    Good aul Sepp. There's no racism or corruption in football


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    All it means is they have just started there investigation and just heard Evra's side so far
    Really???what time was this at???what were the exact words???who else was there???was Evra wearing a hat???

    Where do people get their information from?? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    In other news, Blatter says racist comments should be settled with a handshake



    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wEhqzXc21mc/TcpTlJm1EtI/AAAAAAAAHlk/8iYir5JZpP8/s1600/sepp-blatter.jpeg

    My comments have been misunderstood. I am committed to fighting this plague and kick it out of football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    OK Question ...

    Does this charge open the door for the likes of off the ball elbows or anything the Ref failed to see during 90mins to now be punished retrospectively ??

    Cause remember the Refs report never said anyone called anyone, or alleged anyone used racist comments .

    Also the fact that Suarez is up on a charge of a form of verbal abuse aswell strengthens my believe that they are setting a precedent here .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Blatter wrote: »
    Emre was charged in 2007, but was found not guilty because two player witnesses had contradicted eachother iirc.

    He is the only player I remember getting charged before.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-liverpool-fa-racism?CMP=twt_gu
    Luis Suarez faces a racism charge that threatens huge ramifications for the Liverpool striker and his club after the Football Association announced he had a case to answer over Patrice Evra's allegations he suffered sustained racist abuse during Manchester United's recent visit to Anfield.
    A month after the investigation began, the FA has ruled it has enough evidence to charge Suárez with an offence that, if proven, will lead to a substantial ban. A precedent was set in 2003 when John Mackie of Reading was banned for eight matches, five of which were suspended, after making racist remarks to the Sheffield United striker Carl Asaba. However, Mackie admitted that charge whereas Suárez is denying his, meaning he would almost certainly face tougher sanctions if he were found guilty.
    Liverpool responded immediately by announcing that Suárez would plead not guilty, adding that they "remain fully supportive of Luis" in a dispute that threatens to have serious repercussions for the club's relationship with United.
    Evra had complained after the match that he was abused "at least 10 times" and his statement to the FA accuses Suárez of using a Spanish variation of the N-word. Suárez has categorically denied the allegations, saying the words he allegedly used were not offensive or racist, but the FA investigators disagree, charging the Uruguay international with "abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour contrary to FA rules", including "a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra".
    Within minutes Liverpool had released their own statement to make it clear that Suárez would continue to maintain his innocence. "The club this afternoon received notification from the Football Association of their decision to charge Luis Suárez and will take time to review properly the documentation which has been sent to us.
    "We will discuss the matter fully with him when he returns from international duty, but he will plead not guilty to the charge and we expect him to request a personal hearing.
    "Luis remains determined to clear his name of the allegation made against him by Patrice Evra. The club remain fully supportive of Luis in this matter."
    The crux of the case appears to depend on whether the FA can prove there was racial intent behind Suárez's words but it is a complex issue given that in Uruguay it is common practice for people to use derivatives of "negro" in a non-offensive way. "Negrito", for example, is a word that is often used without being deemed as racist.
    However, the fact Suárez and the France international Evra were arguing at the time counts against the Liverpool player and the FA is clearly not satisfied with his first public words on the matter, when he talked last week of it merely being a "way of expressing myself. I called him something his team-mates at Manchester call him, and even they were surprised by his reaction."
    What can be said with certainty is that it represents a major embarrassment for the FA and the Premier League that one of their high-profile players is charged with racism while John Terry, the England captain, is at the centre of a parallel investigation into allegations he racially abused Anton Ferdinand of Queens Park Rangers, eight days after the Suárez-Evra incident.
    Liverpool would be compelled to take their own action against Suárez if he were found guilty and their manager, Kenny Dalglish, faces personal embarrassment after steadfastly defending the player over recent weeks, insisting there was no case to answer.
    The Anfield club face the possibility that a long, drawn-out dispute could disrupt their season. Suárez has been their best player this season, underlying his ability by scoring all of Uruguay's goals in a 4-0 defeat of Chile on Saturday.
    Evra told French television directly after the match that Suárez had been trying "to wind me up" and that "there are cameras, you can see him say a certain word to me at least 10 times. There is no place for that in 2011." His manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, who accompanied Evra when he made his complaint to the referee Andre , has submitted a statement as part of the FA investigation.
    The FA is acutely aware of the sensitivities between the two clubs and asked them both at the outset not to risk inflaming the situation by discussing it in the media. Privately, United are angry that Suárez and Dalglish have ignored these instructions. The Old Trafford club say they will not make any comment "in accordance with guidance from the authorities".
    "We spoke to Patrice today and he's adamant that he wants to follow it on. It's not an easy one because everyone knows that United and Liverpool have great responsibilities in terms of what happens on the field. Obviously Patrice feels very aggrieved at what was said to him and it rests with the FA now"
    Sir Alex Ferguson 17 October

    "We would rather have it done and dusted, out in the open. Whoever is the guilty party – the person who said it or the accuser – [should] get their due punishment"
    Kenny Dalglish 28 October

    "The FA will have to clarify things. There is no evidence I said anything racist to him. I said nothing of the sort. There were two parts of the discussion, one in Spanish, one in English. I did not insult him. It was just a way of expressing myself. I called him something his team-mates at Manchester call him, and even they were surprised by his reaction"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,864 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    I wouldn't rule out them having video evidence.
    Just because it wasn't shown on sky sports news doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    I've yet to see sky footage of the Terry incident yet and they definitely have that as it was shown live yet I've never seen them replay it on the news,just the YouTube videos.

    It was played all day and the following day on SSN at the top of the hour, by Tuesday it was stopped when the police got involved in the matter.

    ******



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Blatter wrote: »
    My comments have been misunderstood. I am committed this plague and kick it out of football.

    http://www.epltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/news.bbc.co.uk/files/2007/11/sepp-blatter.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    mixednuts wrote: »
    OK Question ...

    Does this charge open the door for the likes of off the ball elbows or anything the Ref failed to see during 90mins to now be punished retrospectively ??

    Cause remember the Refs report never said anyone called anyone, or alleged anyone used racist comments .

    Also the fact that Suarez is up on a charge of a form of verbal abuse aswell strengthens my believe that they are setting a precedent here .
    If a Ref doesn't see an elbow off the ball but it is caught on video it can already be punished retrospectively and has been done in the past.

    It's only if the ref has dealt with the situation having known all the facts that it can't be dealt with by the FA.

    Although there was one casr IIRC that the FA did punish a player even though the ref had dealt with it.
    I think it was Ben Thatcher. I'll do a search



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Trilla wrote: »
    For once I kind of agree with Blatter. Players shake hands at the end of a game. On the pitch its a battle and "sticks and stones break your bonds but words should never harm you" philosophy should come into play here...if it creeps into the stands and off the pitch its another ordeal I feel.

    The football associations would lose all moral authority to police the fans if the didn't police their own players. Also think of the role model aspect. Do we really want a sport where footballers can say anything they like to each other?

    Aside from all that, the police would probably just step in anyway, because many of the things that are outlawed in football are outlawed in society as well.


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    amiable wrote: »

    Important bit
    A precedent was set in 2003 when John Mackie of Reading was banned for eight matches, five of which were suspended, after making racist remarks to the Sheffield United striker Carl Asaba. However, Mackie admitted that charge whereas Suárez is denying his, meaning he would almost certainly face tougher sanctions if he were found guilty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    It was played all day and the following day on SSN at the top of the hour, by Tuesday it was stopped when the police got involved in the matter.
    I've had that explained to me,I was away at the time and didn't have access to sky sports.I just couldn't find any official footage online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Can someone clear up what actually has happened.


    I was talking to some guy at work and he says that the FA considers the event to be fully investigated and Suarez to be guilty. In order to appeal that he has to request a private hearing of some sort, if he doesnt, hes guilty as charged.

    I was thinking it was something a long the lines of the FA have gathered evidence and consider there to be enough to have a hearing on it and nothing has been decided yet


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd imagine the FA feel they have enough evidence, hence the charge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Can someone clear up what actually has happened.


    I was talking to some guy at work and he says that the FA considers the event to be fully investigated and Suarez to be guilty. In order to appeal that he has to request a private hearing of some sort, if he doesnt, hes guilty as charged.

    I was thinking it was something a long the lines of the FA have gathered evidence and consider there to be enough to have a hearing on it and nothing has been decided yet
    AFAIK it means Suarez now has a case to answer.

    He can now accept the charges and plead guilty or he can request a personal hearing to plead his case.

    Liverpool have already said he will fight this and request a personal hearing.

    It's like if you get charged by Police of a crime. You can plead guilty or you can contest it in court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    I'd imagine the FA feel they have enough evidence, hence the charge.
    Exactly.I can't see them charging him on the word of Evra alone.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    Exactly.I can't see them charging him on the word of Evra alone.

    I didn't say that.

    It doesn't mean he will be found guilty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    I didn't say that.

    It doesn't mean he will be found guilty.
    Exactly. Plenty of people have been charged by Police and found not guilty in court after all.

    I do expect the personal hearing will be heard in the next week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Suarez allegedly called him a "little negro" and is now claiming that in Spanish that means "little friend".

    Not looking good for Suarez if that's true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    zerks wrote: »
    Suarez allegedly called him a "little negro" and is now claiming that in Spanish that means "little friend".

    Not looking good for Suarez if that's true.
    I read recently that Daniel Pacheco called his friend the same on twitter recently

    Here it is
    An illustration of this comes in the form of the message Dani Pacheco, the Liverpool player who is currently on loan at Rayo Vallecano, sent to his Spain Under-21 team-mate Thiago Alcântara via Twitter on Friday. It begins: "Negrito, enjoy yourself …"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/13/luis-suarez-patrice-evra


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    rarnes1 wrote: »

    I didn't say that.

    It doesn't mean he will be found guilty.
    I didn't say that either.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I must admit though, it's probably not looking great for Suarez.

    The main thing I give a fúck about is how many games he'll miss if guilty tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭killwill


    amiable wrote: »
    I read recently that Daniel Pacheco called his friend the same on twitter recently

    Right so that is 2 racists at Liverpool!!!!!
    Only joking. The word Negrito can be a term used by friends for each other.
    However it is all about context really. And if he did use the word Negrito towards Evra, who is not his friend(but is little) I think there might be a case.

    Ironically this definition which was given by Suarez I believe could be a get out of jail card for the FA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭curry-muff


    amiable wrote: »
    I read recently that Daniel Pacheco called his friend the same on twitter recently

    Here it is


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/13/luis-suarez-patrice-evra

    That phrase is similar to saying "Sup nigga" which loads of people around Ireland and other countries say to friends, needless to say if they said it to a black person they'd be subject to a good beating.

    Its still a derogatory term for a black person any way you look at it, if he called Evra a 'negro' or 'negrito' he will be found guilty, simple as.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    curry-muff wrote: »
    That phrase is similar to saying "Sup nigga" which loads of people around Ireland and other countries say to friends, needless to say if they said it to a black person they'd be subject to a good beating.

    Its still a derogatory term for a black person any way you look at it, if he called Evra a 'negro' or 'negrito' he will be charged, simple as.

    He is charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    aphillip14Adam Phillip


    Yeeee yeeeee some people wanna pipe up I like thisss!! For those bells who talk about JT..he hasn't been 'charged' like that bellend suarez!
    another foolish #LFC fan. He's been charged so ye he's guilty mate! #unfollowplease u chump
    U think suarez will feel embarassed when he has to go to training and see glen johnson!? Haaa joker


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    curry-muff wrote: »
    That phrase is similar to saying "Sup nigga" which loads of people around Ireland and other countries say to friends

    Really yeah? Do tell us more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I think you might have missed the confusing bit in the FA statement, or else you are just better at deciphering legalese than the rest of us. It looks like they are saying he is charged with personal abuse and also racist abuse.

    A conviction solely of personal abuse would start a proper clusterfùck imo.

    The personal abuse charge looks like the FA covering their arse tbh. United fans know well what idiots they can be.

    If he does get convicted for personal abuse and not racial that'll be a real mindf*ck of a debate! I'll be unsubscribing from here then!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    mixednuts wrote: »
    OK Question ...

    Does this charge open the door for the likes of off the ball elbows or anything the Ref failed to see during 90mins to now be punished retrospectively ??

    Cause remember the Refs report never said anyone called anyone, or alleged anyone used racist comments .

    Also the fact that Suarez is up on a charge of a form of verbal abuse aswell strengthens my believe that they are setting a precedent here .
    Players have been charged retrospectively for years. Rooney's incident with Tal Ben Haim is one example. There are dozens of other examples.

    Also, if a referee heard extreme foul and abusive language directed at a player or especially if he heard racism, he should send the player off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭#15


    amiable wrote: »
    I read recently that Daniel Pacheco called his friend the same on twitter recently

    Here it is


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/13/luis-suarez-patrice-evra

    That's not relevant to this case though.


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