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  • #1202
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    its not gonna end with the FA if he is found guilty .


  • #1203
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Yes, I do.


    Is the rest of the thread going to be filled with these awful pathetic attempts to change the subject after you get caught out saying something stupid?
    No, i still stand by it.

    Deal with it


  • #1204
    tommyhaas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    Blatter wrote: »
    ^^^
    The FA had no obligation whatsoever to charge Suarez.

    If he's found guilty he'll be looking at a 6-10 game ban at the very least IMO.

    The FA can't and won't be seen to be lenient with such issues.

    Has anyone ever been found guilty of this by the FA before?
    mixednuts wrote: »
    its not gonna end with the FA if he is found guilty .

    Is this speculation or fact? The reason I ask is if he is found guilty by the FA and later acquitted by the courts or the case deemed to have insufficient evidence by the CPS, the FA could be leaving themselves quiet open


  • #1205
    DOC09UNAM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    The fa have just epically trolled forums around the world.


  • #1206
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Blatter wrote: »
    @killwill

    The FA had no obligation whatsoever to charge Suarez.

    If he's found guilty he'll be looking at a 6-10 game ban + a hefty fine at the very least IMO.

    The FA can't and won't be seen to be lenient with such issues.
    Nor should they be if he's found guilty.

    hard to know what type of ban they could dish out but safe to say it would be more than the usual 3 game ban.

    I'm still hopeful that this could be sorted out.
    Time will tell i guess


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  • #1207
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    amiable wrote: »
    No, i still stand by it.

    Deal with it

    You still stand by your hilariously deluded believe that abuse charge has nothing to do with racism?


  • #1208
    Otis Driftwood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    YouTookMyName wrote: »


    This was supposedly coming for days, after Suarez said he used the word negro - not negrito.

    Boils down to a cultural misunderstanding.

    This is the funniest thing Ive read on this thread.

    He allegedly called Evra/used the term negro as opposed to negrito which I presume means ni**er.

    How is it any different?

    He allegedly abused him based on the colour of his skin,its pretty clear cut and cultural differences or a misunderstanding of translation is as moot as it gets.

    Also,lol at the people trying to say he hasnt been charged with racial abuse.One of the most hilariously blinkered arguments Ive ever seen in this place.


  • #1209
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    TheBigLebowski wrote: »
    I have to say this 'racism' nonsense really pisses me off. I detest the fact that racist abuse is talked about in the same way as racial discrimination which belittles the seriousness of actual racial discrimination. Racist abuse is no worse than all other kinds of abuse, it's still abuse. It seems players/fans can get away with spouting whatever vile they want, but make reference to their race and the whole world erupts with moral outrage.

    There is a clear link between racist/homophobic/sexist abuse and racist/homophobic/sexist discrimination, violence, etc.

    Racist abuse in particular is one of the most harmful and disruptive types of abuse to a society, maybe the most harmful and disruptive, because of what it can lead to. Racist discrimination and violent racial conflict are a real and constant threat. There is no comparable issue with abuse about personal things like big noses and unibrows.

    (There are a few other types of harmful abuse that you could add to the ones I mentioned above.)
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    i agree with this, the racism card is played far too much in life these days. when i worked in tech support on the phones, we got the old chest nut "your doing this cos im from XXXX and i is XXXX".

    no sir, your service is not working as you didnt pay your bill and you could be born and rared in blackrock or ballymun for all i know, i cant actually see you right now.

    There definitely are plenty of dickheads out there who abuse the fact that racism is taken so seriously and is so hard to disprove. But surely allowing racial abuse would lead to more problems than it would solve.


  • #1210
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    You still stand by your hilariously deluded believe that abuse charge has nothing to do with racism?
    Not what i said. Yet you accuse me of not being able to read.
    If it wasn't such a serious case it would be funny.


  • #1211
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    As a Liverpool fan I am very saddened by this news, as it now looks alot more likely that there was some racial abuse there, although not entirely proven yet. At the start I never said one way or another that either player involved was lying.
    But if it is the case that its proved that he had racially abused Evra then he defanatly deserves a lengthy ban and it will be a huge loss to Liverpool as there is no doubt what a talent and great player he has been for us. :(


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  • #1212
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    Has anyone ever been found guilty of this by the FA before?

    Emre was charged in 2007, but was found not guilty because two player witnesses had contradicted eachother iirc.

    He is the only player I remember getting charged before.


  • #1213
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Blatter wrote: »
    Emre was charged in 2007, but was found not guilty because two player witnesses had contradicted eachother iirc.

    He is the only player I remember getting charged before.
    There was the previous John Terry incident too but he was never actually charged AFAIK.


  • #1214
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Blatter wrote: »
    He's been charged with racial abuse, it's pretty clear from the statement. If he's found guilty of the charge, he will be guilty of racism. No Ambiguity there, it's quite clear cut actually.

    I think you might have missed the confusing bit in the FA statement, or else you are just better at deciphering legalese than the rest of us. It looks like they are saying he is charged with personal abuse and also racist abuse.

    A conviction solely of personal abuse would start a proper clusterfùck imo.


  • #1215
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    A bit early but what the hey:

    1239.jpg


  • #1216
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Troll thread?

    Are you serious bro?

    Are you taking the place of that other hilarious Liverpool fan who used to post the funny pics to defect from debates he wouldn't properly get into because he knew he'd come across as foolish?


  • #1217
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    This whole thing makes no sense to me, I thought I did but, things that are puzzling me is why didn't evra go ****en mental at Suarez if he was repeatly abused, kuyt wound him up more than Suarez, he seemed more occupied with kissing the badge at the main stand, look at eto when he was abused he tried to walk off the field, evra should have being going ****en mental and getting the ref involved.


  • #1218
    Handsome Bob
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    Des wrote: »
    Troll thread?

    Are you serious bro?

    Are you taking the place of that other hilarious Liverpool fan who used to post the funny pics to defect from debates he wouldn't properly get into because he knew he'd come across as foolish?

    Ahem

    I'm just laughing at the people taking this as some kind of vindication that their assumptions have been proven right just because someone has been charged. It's still early days yet, certain fans should hold off on shooting their load. Innocent until proven guilty bro. ;)


  • #1219
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    niallo27 wrote: »
    This whole thing makes no sense to me, I thought I did but, things that are puzzling me is why didn't evra go ****en mental at Suarez if he was repeatly abused, kuyt wound him up more than Suarez, he seemed more occupied with kissing the badge at the main stand, look at eto when he was abused he tried to walk off the field, evra should have being going ****en mental and getting the ref involved.
    In fairness there is no text book reaction to racist abuse.

    So who knows


  • #1220
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I think you might have missed the confusing bit in the FA statement, or else you are just better at deciphering legalese than the rest of us. It looks like they are saying he is charged with personal abuse and also racist abuse.

    A conviction solely of personal abuse would start a proper clusterfùck imo.

    If that happens it would really open a can of worms ok. Its actually the worst possible outcome really...so its probably the one the FA will decide upon!!

    I've no idea what the 'personal abuse' is but it sounds to me like that part of the charge amounts to no more that charging him with telling Evra he was a useless cnut or some such thing.

    If (and I'm only surmising what the personal abuse is) this is the case then there are going to be some load of players suspended in the future! Christ, we have all said stuff like that at 5 a side, never mind in matches! I really hope the FA have more than that to support a 'personal abuse' charge.


  • #1221
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Actually, looks like Suarez is innocent

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8894556/Fifa-president-Sepp-Blatter-there-is-no-racism-in-football.html


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  • #1222
    copacetic
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    Otis Driftwood wrote: »
    This is the funniest thing Ive read on this thread.

    He allegedly called Evra/used the term negro as opposed to negrito which I presume means ni**er.

    How is it any different?

    He allegedly abused him based on the colour of his skin,its pretty clear cut and cultural differences or a misunderstanding of translation is as moot as it gets.

    Also,lol at the people trying to say he hasnt been charged with racial abuse.One of the most hilariously blinkered arguments Ive ever seen in this place.

    You are 'presuming' things that aren't true, it's been well publicised and confirmed over and over that where Suarez is from the various terms are used purely to mean 'mate/buddy' etc.

    You thinking it is clear cut is neither here nor there.


  • #1223
    [Deleted User]
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Actually, looks like Suarez is innocent

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8894556/Fifa-president-Sepp-Blatter-there-is-no-racism-in-football.html

    Sepp knows best lads


  • #1224
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I think you might have missed the confusing bit in the FA statement, or else you are just better at deciphering legalese than the rest of us. It looks like they are saying he is charged with personal abuse and racist abuse.

    A conviction solely of personal abuse would start a proper clusterfùck imo.


    Tbh, I didn't even consider it a possibility that he would be charged with personal abuse because it would be so unprecedented it would be ridiculous.

    It would open up a bigger can of worms than the one UEFA opened when they charged Eduardo with simulation.


    If it was to be the case I'm sure the FA wouldn't be in the slight bit ambiguous about it, I don't think Alan has anything to worry about. They would say

    NOT guilty of racial abuse.

    Guilty of personal abuse.

    Unless the find him guilty of both, the personal abuse charge would still open a can of worms.
    As I said though, very unlikely to happen IMO.


  • #1225
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    tommyhaas wrote: »



    Is this speculation or fact? The reason I ask is if he is found guilty by the FA and later acquitted by the courts or the case deemed to have insufficient evidence by the CPS, the FA could be leaving themselves quiet open


    Tommy its speculation but im guessing how this is gonna pan out ...

    The reason for the 4 week delay is that the FA have been getting their shiite in order .
    The investigation must have produced some evidence cause to bring the charge based on Suarezs statement would be insane.

    Its only a matter of time before John Terry is up on the same charge.
    His case is also to be factored into the delay buti think thats an open and shut case .

    So the FA has two highly charged allegations of racism - a issue and part of the rule book which they have been burying their head in the sand about for decades, and have never really been proactive about , so hey presto( as reactive as ever) they now can set a precedent out of these two cases , draw a line in the sand , and come out like the real deal :rolleyes:

    So IMO the long delay was making sure that all avenues are covered both from their own league side but also from a legal perspective.
    The legal profession would have been consulted about possible legal challenges from the clubs , and also knock on legal challenges that may come to the players involved directly .

    The two boys are gonna get hung out to dry on this one .

    The severity of the punishment (which i think will be massive and a precedent set ) rightly or wrongly will come down to a matter of opinion which i think will keep many a forum alight for the coming months .

    Ahh well 4th spot looks further away than ever now :o


  • #1226
    killwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭killwill


    niallo27 wrote: »
    This whole thing makes no sense to me, I thought I did but, things that are puzzling me is why didn't evra go ****en mental at Suarez if he was repeatly abused, kuyt wound him up more than Suarez, he seemed more occupied with kissing the badge at the main stand, look at eto when he was abused he tried to walk off the field, evra should have being going ****en mental and getting the ref involved.

    Like I said everyone behaves differently in different scenarios. Evra is a clown but Eto'o is a pre-madonna!!!
    Evra did lose it with Suarez too. That is why the ref called them over and then Suarez pushed Evra's head messing to rise him even more.


  • #1227
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,867 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    All it means is they have just started there investigation and just heard Evra's side so far

    ******



  • #1228
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    killwill wrote: »
    Like I said everyone behaves differently in different scenarios. Evra is a clown but Eto'o is a pre-madonna!!!
    Evra did lose it with Suarez too. That is why the ref called them over and then Suarez pushed Evra's head messing to rise him even more.
    It does make me curious why he didn't say it to the ref then.
    Still doesn't mean it didn't happen but i would imagine most people would mention it to the ref then.

    If the FA have charged him they must have evidence that isn't common knowledge.


  • #1229
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    citytillidie wrote: »
    All it means is they have just started there investigation and just heard Evra's side so far
    Not true. They have already heard from Suarez too.
    They visited him at Melwood already.


  • #1230
    killwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭killwill


    amiable wrote: »
    It does make me curious why he didn't say it to the ref then.Still doesn't mean it didn't happen but i would imagine most people would mention it to the ref then.

    If the FA have charged him they must have evidence that isn't common knowledge.

    Yeah very good point.
    I do remember him saying something to the ref and getting booked but obviously it could not have been anything race related because the ref would have had it in his report.


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  • #1231
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    killwill wrote: »
    Like I said everyone behaves differently in different scenarios. Evra is a clown but Eto'o is a pre-madonna!!!
    Evra did lose it with Suarez too. That is why the ref called them over and then Suarez pushed Evra's head messing to rise him even more.

    I just think we would see more of a reaction out of him on the field as he seemed fairly upset after the game.


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