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Gays want to take over the rest of Society?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Read it, sickened by it.

    Complete hunk of **** from a so called "legitimate" newspaper.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    What's gay about late night gyms?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    OP is a fag


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    EDIT: CatfromHue has the same point above
    Thus gay magazines are full of ads endorsing late-night gyms, sex lines and a freewheeling sexual activity which would be dismissed as sleazy in heterosexual culture.

    A late night gym is just a business providing a service, no?
    Sure there was a poster on boards who operated one in Dublin. Good for shift workers like gardai or hotel staff and so on.

    Whatever about the other two, when did going to the gym at night become sleazy? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Hobbes wrote: »
    Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.
    Yeah, just a little bit


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭D


    I for one welcome our new fabulously dressed overlords.

    Edit: spelling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    The author seriously needs to buy a thesaurus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Read it, sickened by it.

    Complete hunk of **** from a so called "legitimate" newspaper.

    lol.. Who calls it that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    lol.. Who calls it that?
    OP is a fag

    ^ People like that unfortunately.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    You know, I can understand when people find hyper-camping it up to be too OTT and a bit annoying (I know gay people who feel that way about it) but otherwise, anyone, especially someone who is hetero, white, western and middle-class and has never experienced discrimination/abuse, who moans about gay people wanting more rights and privileges in a "They should take what they're given and be grateful about it" kinda way... is a fuk-wit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭The Snipe


    Hobbes wrote: »
    Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.

    We'll its to inform and get the opinion of those who wouldn't be in the lgbt fourm :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    The weekly "what's the worst article today's Sunday Independent" thread so OP? ;)

    It'll be something different next week


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    i thought this was just going to be an attack on 'out and proud' or as i call them 'the extremist gays' which I would have been fine with

    overall its an attack on the whole gay community, some of it made sense but was brought down by all the bullshít in there


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,965 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Filing something under "Opinion" seems to mean "no editorial standards required". :rolleyes:

    How about we first allow every minority to have the same freedoms as everyone else? Then we can see whether any of them are planning to oppress anyone else. Every person has a right to be a bigot in the sanctity of their own brain, but when they start projecting their bigotry on other people, then we have a problem.

    "What about breastfeeding?" Um ... formula? Assuming you can't buy breast milk from a friendly wet nurse.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    ^ People like that unfortunately.
    I think it's shiite.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    I'm currently considering a career in journalism. It's good to know the competition isn't exactly strong!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Please, can we ban all talk about the Irish Independent... seriously, all people are doing when they post about articles such as the above, is give clueless so-called authorists a platform, to give out uninformed and self-righteous opinions, and masquerade it as journalism.
    That paper is a toolbox, it's full of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    I'm currently considering a career in journalism. It's good to know the competition isn't exactly strong!!!

    heres a hard lesson , facts, real stories or lighthearted things that everyone agrees with dont sell papers, bullshít articles like this sells papers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭ZombieBride


    What a shocker for him, some gays want marriage and children, some don't. Some gays want to go out and party, and some don't. Some gays dress fabulous an some don't That reminds me of something, oh yeah, reminds me of the rest of the human race.

    As the song goes "if people were all the same.. we'd soon get tired of looking at each other"

    Next thing you know women will want the vote.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    I think people have the right to express their opinion no matter how stupid it is, and if you wanted OP to read news you like you could have skipped to the gossip section :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Ignorant man but I dont get how people are shocked by this. Ireland can be a pretty homophobic country. Sure it wasnt decriminalised till 1993.


  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭passarellaie


    Dudess wrote: »
    You know, I can understand when people find hyper-camping it up to be too OTT and a bit annoying (I know gay people who feel that way about it) but otherwise, anyone, especially someone who is hetero, white, western and middle-class and has never experienced discrimination/abuse, who moans about gay people wanting more rights and privileges in a "They should take what they're given and be grateful about it" kinda way... is a fuk-wit.

    As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
    So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭Hedman


    Here's the article quoted so they don't get the traffic that they obviously want
    AS the cliche goes, some of my best friends are gay. I used to live in a very gay area, the West Village in New York. Indeed, enjoying their nightlife and cultural atmosphere, I was even accused of 'trading' off the fun, with my copycat denim jacket and tartan shirt, while not actually joining them.

    However, like many, I've recently begun to get impatient with the endless trumpeting of gay 'identity', and the growing appetite for more and more rights and privileges.
    I'm not being reactionary and I'm all for gay rights and an end to prejudice and discrimination, and always have, but at this stage it seems as if the tables have turned and a minority community -- the gays -- want to increasingly change mainstream culture to suit them.
    For example, why is civil partnership not enough, and why do gays also want marriage, a surely traditional heterosexual facility, which gays used to see as patriarchal, and 'straight'?

    Many gays also feel this way and resist the increasing politicisation and institutionalising of gay life. Last week, in the Guardian, a newspaper almost obsessed with things gay and 'progressive', columnist Suzanne Moore objected to gay marriage on the basis that it was a conservative 'selling-out'. Being gay should be edgy and experimental, she said.
    But isn't this part of the problem? Many gays want to have it both ways. Thus gay magazines are full of ads endorsing late-night gyms, sex lines and a freewheeling sexual activity which would be dismissed as sleazy in heterosexual culture. But we also have articles that suggest a yearning for bourgeois respectability.
    Likewise, travel books, such as the trendy Rough Guides, scold the mainstream 'meat-market' discos of foreign capitals but provide plenty of details for gay pick-up spots. Many red-blooded straight men might wish that society would endorse their own ambitions with such PC gusto.
    Also, on the issue of gays adopting, it makes many of us uneasy and impatient with the idea that raising a child with homosexual parents is totally equivalent to a child being raised by its natural heterosexual parents. It patently is not, and it is a crazy concession to PC culture to say that it is.

    I watched a Frontline programme recently on the topic and I thought I was seeing things when I heard Ivana Bacik refusing to be happy with a societal acceptance of gay adoption but insisting on full equality with heterosexual parenting. David Quinn gave the other perspective, but he was almost falling over himself to be reasonable about it, just looking for that concession that the natural, or heterosexual, parents were not just the same as gay parents.

    Those expressing opposition or even concerns were shouted down in the television studio. However, from where I was watching, in a local bar, the viewers were all of the contrary opinion, and were amazed by this departure in opinions but also blankly accepting of it as part of the growing gulf which now exists between mainstream society and the liberal elites and quango-led experts who want to change and improve our lives.
    For example, the Guardian now has a feature called The Three of Us in its family section, a weekly diary by one of two gay men raising a child with their female friend, the natural mother. Two dads, one mum -- one family is the sub headline.

    I don't know about you but this strikes me as strange.
    And the counter-argument that divorced kids often have three parents knocking around is fatuous and nonsense. A child has two parents, whether separated or not. However, it is one thing to have such a diary, but it also seems almost designed to offend and irritate those who do not agree with this new radical departure in parenting. Thus, last week, the writer Charlie Condou questioned the whole convention of women being seen as naturally connected to their children. (Not for nothing is the Irish Independent's weekly supplement called Mothers and Babies.)

    But no, Charlie went to the Alternative Families show in the UK and saw all the gay dads with their children. It's just the same for him, it seems, and, he "stood around and chatted about the absurdity and irrelevance of the 'biological question'". Oh, please. What about breastfeeding?
    And there are other things about the growing gay rights movement which make outsiders impatient and uneasy. Like, when did the gays and lesbian community become the 'LGBT', an acronym that also includes Bisexual and Transgender?

    Sorry, but this is broadening the boundaries in a way that makes many of us understandably sceptical.
    Bisexual? Isn't that reminiscent of the loose Seventies sexual experimentation? How many bisexuals are there? And will the plain people of Ireland be happy with legalising rights for, and spending money on, all of this?

    The new Human Rights Commissioner for Northern Ireland, Michael O'Flaherty, is a gay rights advocate and says that he sees all of this as part of his rights agenda. Again, I raise all these things, not out of reactionary resistance but just to question the direction and motivation of the whole sexual rights agenda.
    There is also the danger surely that this insatiable demand for more and more recognition and identity (gay quotas?), will eventually alienate mainstream opinion and undo some of the valuable gains made in this country by, for example, David Norris and others, in eliminating prejudice and discrimination.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat



    Next thing you know women will want the vote.

    End women's suffrage!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Dotrel


    The author seriously needs to buy a thesaurus.

    No mention on the right-hand-side of Jimmy Saville being gay tho? Wonder how they missed that when the word was sprinkled liberally throughout the page.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    He doesn't agree with gay marriage or gay adoption and there are alot of people out there that agree with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    It's someones opinion. Why worry about it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    I notice a lot more papers taking pot shots at the Guardian ever since the phone hacking scandal really took off.

    As for the article in the OP, i have no idea what the **** the writer was trying to actually say.

    They seemed the change their mind from backing gay rights to saying gay people should be happy with what they have.
    As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
    So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

    I wouldn't work too hard to get Polish as the national language...you seem to have enough issues dealing with English.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Some of the homophobes on here will have to change their tune when the Gaystapo comes knocking on their door.:D:D:D:D


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