Gays want to take over the rest of Society?

The Snipe

What the hell kinda artical is this? I seriously didn't think that the national newspapers that we have in this day and age would endorce this kinda thing. Never mind publish an artical from one of their writes about it.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/loud-and-proud-gays-want-to-take-over-rest-of-society-2920975.html

Disgraceful.

Sonics2k

Read it, sickened by it.

Complete hunk of **** from a so called "legitimate" newspaper.

CatFromHue

What's gay about late night gyms?

Herb Powell

OP is a fag

mikemac

EDIT: CatfromHue has the same point above

Thus gay magazines are full of ads endorsing late-night gyms, sex lines and a freewheeling sexual activity which would be dismissed as sleazy in heterosexual culture.

A late night gym is just a business providing a service, no?
Sure there was a poster on boards who operated one in Dublin. Good for shift workers like gardai or hotel staff and so on.

Whatever about the other two, when did going to the gym at night become sleazy?

Hobbes

Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.

Herb Powell

Hobbes wrote: »

Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.

Yeah, just a little bit

D

I for one welcome our new fabulously dressed overlords.

Edit: spelling

4zn76tysfajdxp

The author seriously needs to buy a thesaurus.

My name is URL

Sonics2k wrote: »

Read it, sickened by it.

Complete hunk of **** from a so called "legitimate" newspaper.

lol.. Who calls it that?

Sonics2k

My name is URL wrote: »

lol.. Who calls it that?

Herb Powell wrote: »

OP is a fag

^ People like that unfortunately.

Dudess

You know, I can understand when people find hyper-camping it up to be too OTT and a bit annoying (I know gay people who feel that way about it) but otherwise, anyone, especially someone who is hetero, white, western and middle-class and has never experienced discrimination/abuse, who moans about gay people wanting more rights and privileges in a "They should take what they're given and be grateful about it" kinda way... is a fuk-wit.

The Snipe

Hobbes wrote: »

Might be better to post in the lgbt forum. His argument is a bit flawed, seems to think if you are gay then you can't be diverse.

We'll its to inform and get the opinion of those who wouldn't be in the lgbt fourm :P

mikemac

The weekly "what's the worst article today's Sunday Independent" thread so OP?

It'll be something different next week

Eric Cartman

i thought this was just going to be an attack on 'out and proud' or as i call them 'the extremist gays' which I would have been fine with

overall its an attack on the whole gay community, some of it made sense but was brought down by all the bullshít in there

bnt

Filing something under "Opinion" seems to mean "no editorial standards required". :rolleyes:

How about we first allow every minority to have the same freedoms as everyone else? Then we can see whether any of them are planning to oppress anyone else. Every person has a right to be a bigot in the sanctity of their own brain, but when they start projecting their bigotry on other people, then we have a problem.

"What about breastfeeding?" Um ... formula? Assuming you can't buy breast milk from a friendly wet nurse.

Herb Powell

Sonics2k wrote: »

^ People like that unfortunately.

I think it's shiite.

MyKeyG

I'm currently considering a career in journalism. It's good to know the competition isn't exactly strong!!!

WoollyRedHat

Please, can we ban all talk about the Irish Independent... seriously, all people are doing when they post about articles such as the above, is give clueless so-called authorists a platform, to give out uninformed and self-righteous opinions, and masquerade it as journalism.
That paper is a toolbox, it's full of them.

Eric Cartman

MyKeyG wrote: »

I'm currently considering a career in journalism. It's good to know the competition isn't exactly strong!!!

heres a hard lesson , facts, real stories or lighthearted things that everyone agrees with dont sell papers, bullshít articles like this sells papers

ZombieBride

What a shocker for him, some gays want marriage and children, some don't. Some gays want to go out and party, and some don't. Some gays dress fabulous an some don't That reminds me of something, oh yeah, reminds me of the rest of the human race.

As the song goes "if people were all the same.. we'd soon get tired of looking at each other"

Next thing you know women will want the vote.

Oranage2

I think people have the right to express their opinion no matter how stupid it is, and if you wanted OP to read news you like you could have skipped to the gossip section

pragmatic1

Ignorant man but I dont get how people are shocked by this. Ireland can be a pretty homophobic country. Sure it wasnt decriminalised till 1993.

passarellaie

Dudess wrote: »

You know, I can understand when people find hyper-camping it up to be too OTT and a bit annoying (I know gay people who feel that way about it) but otherwise, anyone, especially someone who is hetero, white, western and middle-class and has never experienced discrimination/abuse, who moans about gay people wanting more rights and privileges in a "They should take what they're given and be grateful about it" kinda way... is a fuk-wit.

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

Hedman

Here's the article quoted so they don't get the traffic that they obviously want

AS the cliche goes, some of my best friends are gay. I used to live in a very gay area, the West Village in New York. Indeed, enjoying their nightlife and cultural atmosphere, I was even accused of 'trading' off the fun, with my copycat denim jacket and tartan shirt, while not actually joining them.

However, like many, I've recently begun to get impatient with the endless trumpeting of gay 'identity', and the growing appetite for more and more rights and privileges.
I'm not being reactionary and I'm all for gay rights and an end to prejudice and discrimination, and always have, but at this stage it seems as if the tables have turned and a minority community -- the gays -- want to increasingly change mainstream culture to suit them.
For example, why is civil partnership not enough, and why do gays also want marriage, a surely traditional heterosexual facility, which gays used to see as patriarchal, and 'straight'?

Many gays also feel this way and resist the increasing politicisation and institutionalising of gay life. Last week, in the Guardian, a newspaper almost obsessed with things gay and 'progressive', columnist Suzanne Moore objected to gay marriage on the basis that it was a conservative 'selling-out'. Being gay should be edgy and experimental, she said.
But isn't this part of the problem? Many gays want to have it both ways. Thus gay magazines are full of ads endorsing late-night gyms, sex lines and a freewheeling sexual activity which would be dismissed as sleazy in heterosexual culture. But we also have articles that suggest a yearning for bourgeois respectability.
Likewise, travel books, such as the trendy Rough Guides, scold the mainstream 'meat-market' discos of foreign capitals but provide plenty of details for gay pick-up spots. Many red-blooded straight men might wish that society would endorse their own ambitions with such PC gusto.
Also, on the issue of gays adopting, it makes many of us uneasy and impatient with the idea that raising a child with homosexual parents is totally equivalent to a child being raised by its natural heterosexual parents. It patently is not, and it is a crazy concession to PC culture to say that it is.

I watched a Frontline programme recently on the topic and I thought I was seeing things when I heard Ivana Bacik refusing to be happy with a societal acceptance of gay adoption but insisting on full equality with heterosexual parenting. David Quinn gave the other perspective, but he was almost falling over himself to be reasonable about it, just looking for that concession that the natural, or heterosexual, parents were not just the same as gay parents.

Those expressing opposition or even concerns were shouted down in the television studio. However, from where I was watching, in a local bar, the viewers were all of the contrary opinion, and were amazed by this departure in opinions but also blankly accepting of it as part of the growing gulf which now exists between mainstream society and the liberal elites and quango-led experts who want to change and improve our lives.
For example, the Guardian now has a feature called The Three of Us in its family section, a weekly diary by one of two gay men raising a child with their female friend, the natural mother. Two dads, one mum -- one family is the sub headline.

I don't know about you but this strikes me as strange.
And the counter-argument that divorced kids often have three parents knocking around is fatuous and nonsense. A child has two parents, whether separated or not. However, it is one thing to have such a diary, but it also seems almost designed to offend and irritate those who do not agree with this new radical departure in parenting. Thus, last week, the writer Charlie Condou questioned the whole convention of women being seen as naturally connected to their children. (Not for nothing is the Irish Independent's weekly supplement called Mothers and Babies.)

But no, Charlie went to the Alternative Families show in the UK and saw all the gay dads with their children. It's just the same for him, it seems, and, he "stood around and chatted about the absurdity and irrelevance of the 'biological question'". Oh, please. What about breastfeeding?
And there are other things about the growing gay rights movement which make outsiders impatient and uneasy. Like, when did the gays and lesbian community become the 'LGBT', an acronym that also includes Bisexual and Transgender?

Sorry, but this is broadening the boundaries in a way that makes many of us understandably sceptical.
Bisexual? Isn't that reminiscent of the loose Seventies sexual experimentation? How many bisexuals are there? And will the plain people of Ireland be happy with legalising rights for, and spending money on, all of this?

The new Human Rights Commissioner for Northern Ireland, Michael O'Flaherty, is a gay rights advocate and says that he sees all of this as part of his rights agenda. Again, I raise all these things, not out of reactionary resistance but just to question the direction and motivation of the whole sexual rights agenda.
There is also the danger surely that this insatiable demand for more and more recognition and identity (gay quotas?), will eventually alienate mainstream opinion and undo some of the valuable gains made in this country by, for example, David Norris and others, in eliminating prejudice and discrimination.

WoollyRedHat

ZombieBride wrote: »

Next thing you know women will want the vote.

End women's suffrage!

Dotrel

Arian Bitter Terrapin wrote: »

The author seriously needs to buy a thesaurus.

No mention on the right-hand-side of Jimmy Saville being gay tho? Wonder how they missed that when the word was sprinkled liberally throughout the page.

woodoo

He doesn't agree with gay marriage or gay adoption and there are alot of people out there that agree with him.

Irish Guitarist

It's someones opinion. Why worry about it?

Logical Fallacy

I notice a lot more papers taking pot shots at the Guardian ever since the phone hacking scandal really took off.

As for the article in the OP, i have no idea what the **** the writer was trying to actually say.

They seemed the change their mind from backing gay rights to saying gay people should be happy with what they have.

passarellaie wrote: »

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

I wouldn't work too hard to get Polish as the national language...you seem to have enough issues dealing with English.

Ellis Dee

Some of the homophobes on here will have to change their tune when the Gaystapo comes knocking on their door.:D:D:D:D

MrStuffins

woodoo wrote: »

He doesn't agree with gay marriage or gay adoption and there are alot of people out there that agree with him.

Yup and his arguments for these 2 points are just as flawed and downright stupid as everyone elses!

MrStuffins

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Some of the homophobes on here will have to change their tune when the Gaystapo comes knocking on their door.:D:D:D:D

You might not agree with their gaystapo agenda....... but they look FAAAAABulous in those leather suits!

WoollyRedHat

I think the tagline does a good job on summing it up tbh
"Increasingly, it seems as if the homosexual community has forgotten that it is the minority"

Tomorrow in the Irish Independent
"WOMEN:Know your place!"

MrStuffins

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I think the tagline does a good job on summing it up tbh
"Increasingly, it seems as if the homosexual community has forgotten that it is the minority"

Tomorrow in the Irish Independent
"WOMEN:Know your place!"

Didn't the last census show that men are actually in the minority in Ireland now?

Next men will be wanting to be able to pilot planes and vote and such!

Dudess

passarellaie wrote: »

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?

I dunno. Get on with your life when stuff doesn't affect you?

So we need special liberal laws

What's special and liberal about them?

so gays can **** more

Gays want the same rights as hetero people - let them to it. No skin off my nose. And how is it that they want the right to **** more?

travellers can do well what they do so

Who suggested that?

Protestants can have more schools than Catholics

Who suggested that?

I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.

Who suggested that? Putting words into people's mouths and making up stuff they didn't say doesn't do much for your argument. Just because non homophobic folks don't get affected by gay people having the same rights as hetero people, doesn't mean they want all these mythical "liberal" scenarios to be honoured.

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Some of the homophobes on here will have to change their tune when the Gaystapo comes knocking on their door.:D:D:D:D

"House does not contain obligatory amount of feather boas - court summons"...

WoollyRedHat

MrStuffins wrote: »

Didn't the last census show that men are actually in the minority in Ireland now?

Next men will be wanting to be able to pilot planes and vote and such!

Hey, more variety for us, screw the planes

average hero

Good evening all.

I would like to stir up some debate here if allowed. If I get accused of being a homophobe, or anti-homosexual once, I'm leaving the thread because I am anti-discrimination, whatever it may be.

With regards to gay adoption, why do homosexual people believe that they should be allowed to adopt? I ask this because, rightly or wrongly, it contradicts natures law of having a maternal and paternal figure in the child's life. It MAY (I don't know) impact negatively on the child's life.

If two gay men adopt a child, what would be the difference of two male best friends who have been best friends since childhood, and live together, but are heterosexual adopting a child?

Please keep responses discrimination free.

MrStuffins

passarellaie wrote: »

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

This post makes the article in the OP look like it was written by Stephen Fry!

LeixlipRed

passarellaie wrote: »

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

I can see it now, little passarellaie on his first day at school. He drops his lunch box on the ground, he bends over to pick it up and notices a shadow looming over him. Assuming it's some kind stranger come to his aid, he looks up with an innocent smile on his face. That's when the Polish Nigerian Liberal Muslim who lives with travellers and attends the local protestant school said, "Ha Ha". And he hated them all ever since

rainbow kirby

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Tomorrow in the Irish Independent
"WOMEN:Know your place!"

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to see that in the Indo. Absolute rag, and this piece of homophobic and biphobic crap further confirms that. Also, David Quinn retweeted a link to this article today, and if he's recommending that people read something then it's generally not worth a ****e.

MyKeyG

Eric Cartman wrote: »

heres a hard lesson , facts, real stories or lighthearted things that everyone agrees with dont sell papers, bullshít articles like this sells papers

Ah I know that. You need to feed the mob what they're hungry for! But in fairness, besides the content I didn't find it a particularly well written article.

4leto

The article is a big generalisation and totally flawed.

It has to be realised gay rights in itself is new, in Ireland its very new it was only decriminalised in 1993. As with women's rights and minority rights you will always get the cro magnum pining about the good ould days when everything was fine but now they are taking over.

My experience with gay people (of course not all) they tend to be intelligent, well educated, they work hard and play very hard so if society was truly equal we should see a lot more of them in higher positions. I think we are now.

Sonics2k

average hero wrote: »

Good evening all.

I would like to stir up some debate here if allowed. If I get accused of being a homophobe, or anti-homosexual once, I'm leaving the thread because I am anti-discrimination, whatever it may be.

With regards to gay adoption, why do homosexual people believe that they should be allowed to adopt? I ask this because, rightly or wrongly, it contradicts natures law of having a maternal and paternal figure in the child's life. It MAY (I don't know) impact negatively on the child's life.

If two gay men adopt a child, what would be the difference of two male best friends who have been best friends since childhood, and live together, but are heterosexual adopting a child?

Please keep responses discrimination free.

Biology has little to do with raising a a child.

For example, and as I've said before. I was raised by two women, I led a perfectly normal life and I treat them both as my mothers. I'm now in my late 20s, have two children of my own and for the most part, very happy with my life.

I've made quite a few friends over the years who were raised by gay parents, and are no more screwed up than my friends who were raised by straight parents.

edit:
Marriage should not be restricted to specifically two straight people.
If a gay couple, who are in love and wish to legalize their marriage, with full inheritance rights given to us straight people, I see no reason not to allow Gay Marriage.
The problem in Ireland is that a lot of us associate Marriage with religion, whilst a lot of is also basic legal rights and so on.

Gay adoption is no different to straight adoption. A couple who may not be biologically capable of having a child, which is still common in straight couples, would want to adopt a child and raise it in a loving home.
It's either that or they grow up in an Orphanage, and never have the "feeling" of family that so many of us take for granted.

MrStuffins

average hero wrote: »

With regards to gay adoption, why do homosexual people believe that they should be allowed to adopt? I ask this because, rightly or wrongly, it contradicts natures law of having a maternal and paternal figure in the child's life. It MAY (I don't know) impact negatively on the child's life.

You're making the silly mistake of humanising nature. It's not Nature's "Law" at all. If that were the case then we shouldn't be doing anything. Nature didn't intend for us to travel in cars, for us to be able to fight diseases and ailments, to be able to communicate through signals in the air across the entire world, nature didn't intend for us to do anything because we exist as a series of mutations.

What we DO have is civilisation and society. Why you think one of a two parent household needs to have a vagina is beyond me.

If two gay men adopt a child, what would be the difference of two male best friends who have been best friends since childhood, and live together, but are heterosexual adopting a child?

There's a massive difference. The same difference there would be between a male and female set of best friends trying to adopt a child. If you need this to be explained to you then you shouldn't be starting such debates :rolleyes:

Dudess

Better for a kid to be raised in a loving, stable home by two people of the same gender rathern than to be abused/neglected by two people of the opposite gender, and in and out of care homes.

WoollyRedHat

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to see that in the Indo. Absolute rag, and this piece of homophobic and biphobic crap further confirms that. Also, David Quinn retweeted a link to this article today, and if he's recommending that people read something then it's generally not worth a ****e.

Well seeing as he has written for the Irish Daily Mail and has advocated Hetrosexual families it does not suprise me... honestly should be taken down and banished to a blog

My name is URL

=average hero;75213249
With regards to gay adoption, why do homosexual people believe that they should be allowed to adopt? I ask this because, rightly or wrongly, it contradicts natures law of having a maternal and paternal figure in the child's life. It MAY (I don't know) impact negatively on the child's life.

Do you think single people should be allowed to adopt?

It's possible for a gay person to adopt a child, but only if they do so as an individual. If it's a gay couple, then only one of them have any rights over the child. It's all kinds of absurd.

LeixlipRed

People have such a narrow view of history, the nuclear family has existed for one tiny proportion of the life of the human race. Some people are such sheep.

strobe

passarellaie wrote: »

As a card carrying **** wit what do you expect me to do?
So we need special liberal laws so gays can **** more, travellers can do well what they do so ,Protestants can have more schools than Catholics I think its obvious there is a serious case for making Polish the national language maybe we can have polskiachts with special massage parlours open 24-7 and protestant schools and open fist boxing arenas and **** it lets set up a stoneing arena for Nigerian muslims as well.Tell me.as apoor **** wit woould u be happy with that

Owww, the stupid. It stings.

4leto

average hero wrote: »

Good evening all.

I would like to stir up some debate here if allowed. If I get accused of being a homophobe, or anti-homosexual once, I'm leaving the thread because I am anti-discrimination, whatever it may be.

With regards to gay adoption, why do homosexual people believe that they should be allowed to adopt? I ask this because, rightly or wrongly, it contradicts natures law of having a maternal and paternal figure in the child's life. It MAY (I don't know) impact negatively on the child's life.

If two gay men adopt a child, what would be the difference of two male best friends who have been best friends since childhood, and live together, but are heterosexual adopting a child?

Please keep responses discrimination free.

Does it matter, what about lone parents, I know a guy who raised 4 children very well on his own. How about grand parents becoming the child's father and mother. What matters most to a child is stability, you can get that when the parents are gay. These days there is no right family there are so many different types of family, they all have their problems, they all have their attributes.