Youths Rugby

skip64 · 27-09-2011 9:16am

I have to agree on the East coaching input for the past years. I have spent 15 years coaching GAA at Club & County Under 12-18 Development Squads. I can only commend the way ye Rugby guys treat players and Development Squads. it should be an example to the GAA... that’s my opinion!!. please dont kick me on my GAA comment..i am a big GAA fan!!
I agree on clubs struggling ... and know that some teams are joining forces to keep "players playing".. well done coaches and Clubs!.

Parish Lad · 27-09-2011 11:52am

ormond lad wrote: »

Rubbish, clubs struggling to field has nothing to do with what happened to shannon-st marys last season. Shannon-st marys had someone in their matchday squad who shouldnt have been there, whether they were told by a committee member it doesnt matter. Move onto this season.

its not true at all saying that north players not being as valued as players from the other regions.
The north have won the inter regional tournament twice in the last 5 years and had good enough numbers at munster level-

I have followed your postings on another site and you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Shannon/St.Mary's. From blaming coaches to statments like "whether they were told by a committee member it doesnt matter" you seem to have a problem with them. Let me tell you, many clubs in North Munster do feel like there being crapped upon. I you take Shannon u17s and Shannon/St.Mary's U19 both of whom reached Munster finals, one to be kicked out disgracefully, not one player from either of these squads have been invited to under 18s or u19s Munster through the club. Not even a courtesy call. What do you expect the teams to think?
Lean of Shannon/St.Mart's a bit a bit. Also keep in mind that these coaches are trying to field teams against crazy barriers that the rest of Munster don't face and are doing their best. You were not party to the intricasies of the objection so don't know the facts -only what you are getting second or third hand. Facts are these Munster competitions are not their for Shannon, Garryowen, Bohs, Munsters or Crescent to win and if the branch had a pair, they'd just exclude them from the start and not wait in the high grass for the slightest indiscretion to drop on them from a height. But rest assured these clubs will continue to make efforts to provide their non A schools players with meaningful rugby despite the best efforts of the career politicians that are in the branch

justsomebloke · 27-09-2011 12:18pm

Mod warning to please keep things Civil

ormond lad · 27-09-2011 12:21pm

Parish Lad wrote: »

I have followed your postings on another site and you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Shannon/St.Mary's. From blaming coaches to statments like "whether they were told by a committee member it doesnt matter" you seem to have a problem with them. Let me tell you, many clubs in North Munster do feel like there being crapped upon. I you take Shannon u17s and Shannon/St.Mary's U19 both of whom reached Munster finals, one to be kicked out disgracefully, not one player from either of these squads have been invited to under 18s or u19s Munster through the club. Not even a courtesy call. What do you expect the teams to think?
Lean of Shannon/St.Mart's a bit a bit. Also keep in mind that these coaches are trying to field teams against crazy barriers that the rest of Munster don't face and are doing their best. You were not party to the intricasies of the objection so don't know the facts -only what you are getting second or third hand. Facts are these Munster competitions are not their for Shannon, Garryowen, Bohs, Munsters or Crescent to win and if the branch had a pair, they'd just exclude them from the start and not wait in the high grass for the slightest indiscretion to drop on them from a height. But rest assured these clubs will continue to make efforts to provide their non A schools players with meaningful rugby despite the best efforts of the career politicians that are in the branch

Ive nothing against shannon- they were unlucky to lose one of the finals but they got thrown out of the league because they played someone who was inelgible for the competition. they were told he could play by an ex committee member who was going by older set of rules and he was wrong. Hard luck to them

The youths squad was picked after the regional trial games last feb and the east won their 3 games comfortably and as a result over half the players called up for the youths squad were from east munster- the east had 20+ called up to the initial sessions of the munster squad. I dont know how many north players were asked to go to the initial munster sessions but they came 2nd in the u17 regional squads league last season so i imagine they had 10-12 at the minimum
everyone is not out to get clubs from limerick.

On the youths- Bohs were very poor at 17s last season, and couldnt even make the pan munster, so you can hardly expect many players to be near the youths squad as coaches/selecters of the youths will look predominantly at the pan munster last 16 for the players that will stand out. thomond crescent, bruff and shannon made the pan munster from the north at 17s with shannon-st marys, thomond, bruff, garryowen and bohs making it at 19s. I dont know why shannon had noone near the 19s squads, the youths players in the squad are mainly last years irish youths with 5 or 6 stand out players from last seasons pan munster
Bohs were one of the weaker teams in the pan munster at 19s last season so you cant imagine many would have been near the munster 19s set up

I understand it is difficult for the limerick clubs to field(and many clubs always do field very strong teams) compared to everywhere else in the province as they have 4 A schools(5 incl Glenstal) to compete with players as well as having so many clubs in a small population of players

skip64 · 27-09-2011 1:05pm

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9458.php

East Munster top two at it again this year. How come Dungarvan cannnot field its own Under-19 team... Is it Collage age i wonder?.

ormond lad · 27-09-2011 1:10pm

skip64 wrote: »

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9458.php

East Munster top two at it again this year. How come Dungarvan cannnot field its own Under-19 team... Is it Collage age i wonder?.

afaik they are combining with clonmel due to losing more players going off to college than they thought they would.
Nenagh will be strong enough this year when they get all of their players back from playing GAA,

ormond lad · 27-09-2011 2:00pm

League fixtures for south munster at 17s/19s have been released. think there will be 2 sections at 19s and 4 at 17s
Cant find the other sections
Under 17 League
Section 1
Highfield
Dolphin
Sundays Well
Youghal
Cork Con
Douglas

Under 19 League
Section 1
Crosshaven
Highfield
Bandon
Clonakilty
Ballincollig
Cork Con

Parish Lad · 27-09-2011 3:06pm

OL-Again I would argue that these aren't the full facts-just what's bouncing about. It's ancient history now but I feel that the Nth Munster lads only hope is through schools and the people in charge don't look at the clubs whatsoever. I think the standard at u19s in the knock out stages partucularly shoud have provided numerous players for a u19 panel of two teams but alas no contact or approach was made. We had a lad who played with us for years with no recognition or approach but one year in the schools set up and straight into the squad. Maybe its just a perception that the officials have that there's nothing in the nth Munster clubs. Smacks of a bit of laziness by the selectors

davegrohl48 · 27-09-2011 3:42pm

Hopefully an area that improves if there is too much emphasis on selecting from the schools and clubs are being overlooked. Particularly if a good player is going to a weaker school as maybe it's more convenient or can't afford to board/travel.
Different topic but a talented 17 year old that went abroad was Downs Caolan Mooney. Aussies had him measured as one of the fastest in the Collingwood squad he was moving into. Four years of four hours a day gives him roughly 5,000 hours training aged 21 if yer goin down the whole 10,000 hours to expert route. Not sure he'd need to be Dan Carter type handling as he is so fast. Work him daily on offense, defence, passing and have him on a strength program.
Aged 23 I think you'd have a very good player. (Could even end up a 7 as he is young and fairly big).
Not saying GAA players in general just thought Caolan Mooney stood out with his speed/strength and being only 17.

ormond lad · 27-09-2011 5:29pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Hopefully an area that improves if there is too much emphasis on selecting from the schools and clubs are being overlooked. Particularly if a good player is going to a weaker school as maybe it's more convenient or can't afford to board/travel.
Different topic but a talented 17 year old that went abroad was Downs Caolan Mooney. Aussies had him measured as one of the fastest in the Collingwood squad he was moving into. Four years of four hours a day gives him roughly 5,000 hours training aged 21 if yer goin down the whole 10,000 hours to expert route. Not sure he'd need to be Dan Carter type handling as he is so fast. Work him daily on offense, defence, passing and have him on a strength program.
Aged 23 I think you'd have a very good player. (Could even end up a 7 as he is young and fairly big).
Not saying GAA players in general just thought Caolan Mooney stood out with his speed/strength and being only 17.

That has changed the 2 19s squads for munster in the interpros were about even between schools and youths players, with 9 or 10 youths players in each squad for the interpros this season which is nearly half. A few years ago the youths would have been lucky to get 10/45 in squads like this now they are getting around 20/45 and are getting more every year

Parish Lad · 27-09-2011 7:11pm

It would seem that way only for the fact that the players that come from the Limerick clubs would not have played club rugby and their route to unster was through the schools eg David Wallace Shannon/ Munchins, David Canny Garryowen/Ard Scoil, Larry Hanly Old Crescent/ Crescent Comp, Ben Drew Garryowen/Munchin's. It does appear that the Limerick clubs are represented and I'm sure these lads are proud of their clubs but the selection came because of the schools. Also take into account that of the 3 Shannon players in the squad, one came from schools (Wallace), another from Nenagh (Gleeson) and the other from Dingle (Flannery). Points again to club rugby in Limerick particularly being ignored or at least ignored last year.

ormond lad · 29-09-2011 12:19pm

Leinster Under-18 (Club) team to face Munster...
29 September 2011, 8:56 am
By Editor

The Leinster Under-18 (Club) side, sponsored by Nivea for Men, to face Munster in Donnybrook this Saturday, 1st October (KO: 12 midday) has been named...

LEINSTER UNDER-18 (CLUB):

15: Adam Byrne (Naas)
14: Eoghan Feane (Portlaoise)
13: Fergal Cleary (Navan)
12: James Doyle (Greystones)
11: James White (Enniscorthy)
10: Stephen Duke (Gorey)
9: Eoghan Carron (Skerries)
1: Peter Dooley (Birr) CAPTAIN
2: Cian Byrne (Tullamore)
3: Brian Cunningham (Navan)
4: Josh O'Rourke (De la Salle Palmerston)
5: Leon Martin (Tullamore)
6: Eddie Earle (Gorey)
7: Stephen Keelan (Navan)
8: Killian Sweeney (Malahide)

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Shane Mulvany (Greystones)
17: Shane Byrne (Wicklow)
18: Stephen Gardiner (Gorey)
19: Diarmaid Hickey (Kilkenny)
20: Ross Hynes (Arklow)
21: Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
22: Niall Campbell (De la Salle Palmerston)

Coach: Eric Miller
Assistant Coach: Dan van Zyl
Manager: Patrick Keena
Conditioning Coaches: Eugene McEntagart, Colin O'Hare
Kit Man: Noel Ferguson
Physio: Ian McGovern
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/8562.php

ormond lad · 30-09-2011 2:47pm

Munster U18 Club Squad Named
30 September 2011, 2:17 pm
By The Editor

The Munster U18 Club side will face Leinster in the second game of their interpro series tomorrow, 1st October in Donnybrook at 12 pm.

Head Coach Keith Murphy has named his starting XV and will be hoping to retain Munster’s winning reign following their victory over Ulster in Thomond Park last Saturday. Munster U18 Clubs: Tom O’Hare (Waterpark), Adrian Enright (Abbeyfeale), Mark Healy (Kanturk), Seamus Keating (Dungarvan), Cillian Ansboro (Youghal), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Killian O’Keeffe (Crosshaven), Adam Walsh (Waterpark), Darren Coady (Waterpark), Padraig Keating (Clonmel), Laurence Houlihan (Dungarvan), John Madigan (Charleville), Kalani Moore (Waterpark), Oisin O’Meara (Kilfeacle & District), Jack O’Donoghue (Capt.) (Waterpark) Replacements From: Dan McAleer (Kinsale), Eoghan Greene (Sunday’s Well), Niall O’Neill (Waterpark), Martin Mullane (Newcastlewest), Aaron Aitkinson (Ballina-Killaloe), Rory Parata (Sunday’s Well), Eamonn Chesser (Ennis), Louis Fitzgerald (Cork Con’) Ronan Hunt (Shannon), Lee McCarthy (Youghal), Martin Houlihan (Dungarvan).
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9473.php

skip64 · 30-09-2011 3:22pm

If this weather stays up...it will be wellies they need to get around the pitch. best wished to the lads v Leinster on Saturday. Great to see Lee McCathy & Martin Houlihan on the list..

ormond lad · 30-09-2011 10:44pm

Does anyone know who this louis fitzgerald lad from Cork con is? He didnt play for the South in the development games last season and was only called up to the squad a few weeks ago?

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 7:24pm

Anyone at the match today?

skip64 · 01-10-2011 8:56pm

Was at the match at Donnybrook with a couple of lads. wellies was the theme of the day...weather awful!!!! Game moved to back field...not sure what to take from it. Leinster looked in control... but if the Munster lads took their chances they could have packed a couple of scores. Johnny Hayes a big loss... KM also had to drop out before the game as he picked up an injury during warn up...

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 9:22pm

any players fr leinster stand out?

skip64 · 01-10-2011 9:42pm

That #15 is a fine player...and a big man... the Leinster pack were good... but JH/KM were missed.. Hard to really knock any player that played in those condtions...

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 10:11pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

Anyone at the match today?

skip64 wrote: »

Was at the match at Donnybrook with a couple of lads. wellies was the theme of the day...weather awful!!!! Game moved to back field...not sure what to take from it. Leinster looked in control... but if the Munster lads took their chances they could have packed a couple of scores. Johnny Hayes a big loss... KM also had to drop out before the game as he picked up an injury during warn up...

Finished 8-0 to leinster. If it had been a dry day, leinster would have won by much more
Munsters backs were terrible but munster lost as they were well beaten up front. In the backs for munster only mark healy from kanturk was able to make any ground.
Jonny Hayes was badly missed in the front row for munster, back row wasnt as good as last week, Oisin O Meara the 7 was very good again. Kalani Moore was missed but mullane who came in should be starting either 2nd row or maybe the back row the next day. Jack O Donoghue was not as good and did not look 100%

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 10:31pm

Thank you:)...conditions must of been awful for the match...it sounds like leinster have a very good pack with some decent players

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 10:39pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

Thank you:)...conditions must of been awful for the match...it sounds like leinster have a very good pack with some decent players

Leinster are a good team, munster are poor nothing due to players but how the management has structured them.(they dont allow players with a lot of imagination/flair use their flair/imagination and instead prefer them to be very structured) There was some players involved with munster who are not up to interpro level
Conditions were awful and the game would have been a much better spectacle if it had been played on the main pitch in donnybrook but because of wesley playing AIL the game was on the pitch at the bective end
Munsters backrow was nowhere near as influencal as it was last week

muscleshirt · 01-10-2011 10:47pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Leinster are a good team, munster are poor nothing due to players but how the management as structured them. There was some players involved with munster who are not up to interpro level
Conditions were awful and the game would have been a much better spectacle if it had been played on the main pitch in donnybrook but because of wesley playing AIL the game was on the pitch at the bective end
Munsters backrow was nowhere near as influencal as it was last week

is it just the weather or are the back line that poor,some are on their second year in the team

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 10:52pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

is it just the weather or are the back line that poor,some are on their second year in the team

Backs are poorly coached IMO with some not up to interpro standard. Adrian Enright who played on the wing today was the only back to have been on the youths last year, the rest who were in the squad last year were forwards
The weather didnt help but munsters back play was not good and prob wouldnt have been good enough on a dry day

muscleshirt · 01-10-2011 10:58pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Backs are poorly coached IMO with some not up to interpro standard. Adrian Enright who played on the wing today was the only back to have been on the youths last year, the rest who were in the squad last year were forwards
The weather didnt help but munsters back play was not good and prob wouldnt have been good enough on a dry day

i have seen A.Enright play a few times,maybe better used at F/B

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 11:05pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

i have seen A.Enright play a few times,maybe better used at F/B

Dont know... Tom O Hare is a very good full back though and prob needs to start. interpros finish next week with munster in galwey in the sportsground and ulster play leinster in campbell college
IMO munster and leinster will win those games
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/8562.php
How many leinster and munster get called up for irish youths trials will be interesting, on what ive seen of all 4 teams, leinster will have the most call ups for the trial sessions with ireland in december

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 11:08pm

do u think will many of the leinster team gt the call up for the Irish Youths?

muscleshirt · 01-10-2011 11:09pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Dont know... Tom O Hare is a very good full back though and prob needs to start. interpros finish next week with munster in galwey in the sportsground and ulster play leinster in campbell college
IMO munster and leinster will win those games
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/8562.php
How many leinster and munster get called up for irish youths trials will be interesting, on what ive seen of all 4 teams, leinster will have the most call ups for the trial sessions with ireland in december

who would you think from munster?

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 11:14pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

do u think will many of the leinster team gt the call up for the Irish Youths?

muscleshirt wrote: »

who would you think from munster?

Leinster had 10 irish youths last year, should probably have more than that this year. 16 or 17 will get a look at.
Munster should have around 10 making the squad

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 11:19pm

thats a lot from leinster:O..basically the whole team..many good enuf to start do ya reckon?

ormond lad · 01-10-2011 11:24pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

thats a lot from leinster:O..basically the whole team

If they are looking at around 40 lads for the irish squad of 25 or 26, leinster prob should have close to half of that 40 as they have been the best team by a good margin, of what ive seen of all the provinces.
though at least 4 or 5 exiles will be involved as well

rugby_fan · 01-10-2011 11:30pm

yeh thats very true..I see where Leinster also had 3 players from last years Irish youths playing today too..did these players stand out?..you would imagine they would?

ormond lad · 02-10-2011 12:17am

rugby_fan wrote: »

yeh thats very true..I see where Leinster also had 3 players from last years Irish youths playing today too..did these players stand out?..you would imagine they would?

They all did, as youd expect they would
Their captain, dooley from birr did stood out as leinsters scrum was well on top- things would have prob have been slightly different if jonathan hayes had been playing for munster.
The full back was good but the lads who were in the backline with him were so much beter than munsters backs that he couldnt not look good when joining the attack. He also defended very well
Josh O Rourke in the 2nd row was good, overall i think madigan from charleville was better but still is a very good player

skip64 · 02-10-2011 1:20pm

Ulster U18 bounced back from last week's loss away to Munster to defeat Connacht 10-3 at Ravenhill on Saturday afternoon...

skip64 · 02-10-2011 1:21pm

Not sure of some of the comments...a dry day would have suited Munster just as much. being critical is always the easy route.

Mudfest · 02-10-2011 5:42pm

Good on you skip64, people love to be critical.
A good friend of mine whose son is on the team, was at it, a fellow that most importantly does not wear blinkers. He stated that yes Leinster were better and deserved their win, thought the munster lads did not really show in the majority of the first half but battled well in the second and showed a bit of character. Said the two better boys from last week went well again, but the elements made it difficult for all, and that the loss of the two boys in the pack was definitely a factor in the physicality stakes (Leinster pack physically stronger looking and very strong scrum) and bullied a bit. Said Munster missed a kickable penalty very early on and he believed that if they had scored in the second half that they would of smelt blood and then you would of seen two very different teams, with the leinster lads on the back foot. Again I was not at it, however he felt the leinster try was preventable, said the leinster back skated along the touch line and evaded two efforts to put him out, but if the backs and their forwards were so superior how come then that the inferior boys held them scoreless in the second half? Again he said Leinster fully deserved their win, but he hates people being critical of any kid,they have put a lot of effort into 3 games, watching on the sideline is easy lads, encourage, encourage

ormond lad · 02-10-2011 7:01pm

Mudfest wrote: »

Good on you skip64, people love to be critical.
A good friend of mine whose son is on the team, was at it, a fellow that most importantly does not wear blinkers. He stated that yes Leinster were better and deserved their win, thought the munster lads did not really show in the majority of the first half but battled well in the second and showed a bit of character. Said the two better boys from last week went well again, but the elements made it difficult for all, and that the loss of the two boys in the pack was definitely a factor in the physicality stakes (Leinster pack physically stronger looking and very strong scrum) and bullied a bit. Said Munster missed a kickable penalty very early on and he believed that if they had scored in the second half that they would of smelt blood and then you would of seen two very different teams, with the leinster lads on the back foot. Again I was not at it, however he felt the leinster try was preventable, said the leinster back skated along the touch line and evaded two efforts to put him out, but if the backs and their forwards were so superior how come then that the inferior boys held them scoreless in the second half? Again he said Leinster fully deserved their win, but he hates people being critical of any kid,they have put a lot of effort into 3 games, watching on the sideline is easy lads, encourage, encourage

didnt see opening few minutes, but munster really missed jonny hayes in the front row. He offers much more of a threat with the ball and is a better scrummager than the lads used yesterday
The leinster try was preventable, and a simple tackle would have put him out into touch but he wasnt touched
The weather was so poor that the game deteriorated completly in the 2nd half and leinster did better coping with the conditions than munster
Real pity the game was on donnybrooks 2nd pitch as even in the downpour the game wouldnt have been half as scrappy on the main pitch
Its hard being critical of lads who are 16/17 but they are at a level where they are potentially fighting for academy/sub academy spots so you have to be critical of them. All the lads who played yesterday and last week will have put hours and hours in over the last few years. Encouragement is needed but you have to be critical of how they play if you want them to improve and keep improving.

skip64 · 03-10-2011 12:12pm

valid points...and i really could not argue with that. got wind that the Leinster schools got a trimming from this Leinster youths side.. would have liked to see #12 slot back to #10 for some of these games. did well for East...and played most of the build up games at this position...the final pass that seem to miss/drop/knock-on... Jack O'D made some good ground but could have passed out quicker as our boys were moving and had some space at times. On a wet day Forwards are kings :-).
Ulster bet Connacht 10-3 so to be honest teams are pretty even. what next after next weekend... is it back to clubs & some school home work!... will the Irish youths be kicking into gear now and bring some of this crop to next stage??. nice chatting to you...

ormond lad · 03-10-2011 12:17pm

skip64 wrote: »

valid points...and i really could not argue with that. got wind that the Leinster schools got a trimming from this Leinster youths side.. would have liked to see #12 slot back to #10 for some of these games. did well for East...and played most of the build up games at this position...the final pass that seem to miss/drop/knock-on... Jack O'D made some good ground but could have passed out quicker as our boys were moving and had some space at times. On a wet day Forwards are kings :-).
Ulster bet Connacht 10-3 so to be honest teams are pretty even. what next after next weekend... is it back to clubs & some school home work!... will the Irish youths be kicking into gear now and bring some of this crop to next stage??. nice chatting to you...

Back to clubs after next weekend. u17/19 league starts in east munster next weekend except for 2 games at 19s which invovle clubs with several players involved with the munster youths squad
There is a meeting tonight that will hopefully decide the league fixtures at 17s/19s in North munster
The league has started in the west at all ages and at younger age groups in east and north munster
South Munster leagues start in a few weeks

skip64 · 03-10-2011 12:34pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Does anyone know who this louis fitzgerald lad from Cork con is? He didnt play for the South in the development games last season and was only called up to the squad a few weeks ago?

Saw his name appear...good young lad. Also for the South the #10 spot was shared between Rory P & Dylan...and both are on the youths.

ormond lad · 03-10-2011 12:40pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Does anyone know who this louis fitzgerald lad from Cork con is? He didnt play for the South in the development games last season and was only called up to the squad a few weeks ago?

skip64 wrote: »

Saw his name appear...good young lad. Also for the South the #10 spot was shared between Rory P & Dylan...and both are on the youths.

Not good enough for munster level imo. Where did he come from though as he didnt play for the south in the regional games and he wouldnt have been seen playing pan munster as con didnt make it last season.

Mudfest · 03-10-2011 1:57pm

Louis Fitzgerald was there all the time, from the first day that lads were called up to the provisional squad of over 45 or so that began training in Bruff back in April or when ever it started, again not too nice to be saying he is not good enough in your opinion, he has worked as hard as everyone else on that squad I am sure. There are other players that did not play in the pan munster games last year but are part of the squad, they should not be neglected because their club would not be as strong as others.
Look I am sure you believe there are maybe a couple of lads from your club good enough for the squad, and many of us may feel aggrieved in that respect, but that is the way it is and our opinions regarding such get us nowhere. Picking squads is not an easy job and are always contentious. Believe one of the coaching staff is connected to your club, so you may obviously know far more than most? This is a forum to discuss, and as I said previously Ormond lad generally your posts are very informative, and keep it up, however it is bad form naming a 16/17 year old saying in your opinion is not good enough.

ormond lad · 03-10-2011 2:10pm

Mudfest wrote: »

Louis Fitzgerald was there all the time, from the first day that lads were called up to the provisional squad of over 45 or so that began training in Bruff back in April or when ever it started, again not too nice to be saying he is not good enough in your opinion, he has worked as hard as everyone else on that squad I am sure. There are other players that did not play in the pan munster games last year but are part of the squad, they should not be neglected because their club would not be as strong as others.
Look I am sure you believe there are maybe a couple of lads from your club good enough for the squad, and many of us may feel aggrieved in that respect, but that is the way it is and our opinions regarding such get us nowhere. Picking squads is not an easy job and are always contentious. Believe one of the coaching staff is connected to your club, so you may obviously know far more than most? This is a forum to discuss, and as I said previously Ormond lad generally your posts are very informative, and keep it up, however it is bad form naming a 16/17 year old saying in your opinion is not good enough.

Im sure he has worked as hard as everyone else in the squad but he wasnt involved in the south munster squad last season and Con didnt make the pan munster so where would coaches, selectors have seen him play. He may have been training with the squad all summer but where did he prove he was good enough for interpro level. He came out of nowhere to be in the squad.
I know that some lads who dont play pan munster will be in the squad but most should be coming from those 16 clubs. There is many clubs who made the pan munster who dont have representatives in that munster squad including some clubs who made the knockout stages.
Shannon did very well last season at 17s and have nobody in the squad
It might be a bit harsh but while he is a very good club player he is not up to interpro level.
There is only 1 other player from nenagh who should have been in the squad and he had been in the squad for a few weeks and was very unlucky to be dropped off the squad

skip64 · 03-10-2011 3:14pm

Ormond Lad - I totally agree with the Nenagh Lad... if not mistaking i saw him in Dublin last week at the Youths Match. Hope it was not a political shot that kept him out. He was drafted in some weeks ago...and then gone again. I hate seeing a young lad ****** about.

Mudfest · 03-10-2011 10:26pm

Shannon have one player in the 26, with good knowledge of the east munster and some of south, I do believe that the likes of Clonmel should of had another one on the east, believe they had a very skillful back, super football player that never got a peek, very fine player who could of been developed to munster level ( again probably because the impression was Clonmel poor, yet they beat Waterpark in the cup final). Kilfeacle have one representative, they were probably second strongest in the east, would of picked a couple more out of them, had a stand out back. Bruff had a lad that was as tough as nails, good player, and the 7 from the south that got discarded at the final cut was seriously unlucky, very good player. Waterpark have six in the squad, but they probably all deserve their part, as they have been excellent the last couple of years.

Believe that the youths would of been a far better team had they not lost players to Schools, think they had four from the early squad which were recruited, three backs and a forward.

Bringing in a kid late can work for a kid, as they obviously seen an need, but to cast him off then seems to be playing games, especially when backs coach was east munster coach and knew them. He should store that disappointment and help it drive him on the pitch, make him stronger.

ormond lad · 03-10-2011 11:52pm

Mudfest wrote: »

Shannon have one player in the 26, with good knowledge of the east munster and some of south, I do believe that the likes of Clonmel should of had another one on the east, believe they had a very skillful back, super football player that never got a peek, very fine player who could of been developed to munster level ( again probably because the impression was Clonmel poor, yet they beat Waterpark in the cup final). Kilfeacle have one representative, they were probably second strongest in the east, would of picked a couple more out of them, had a stand out back. Bruff had a lad that was as tough as nails, good player, and the 7 from the south that got discarded at the final cut was seriously unlucky, very good player. Waterpark have six in the squad, but they probably all deserve their part, as they have been excellent the last couple of years.

Believe that the youths would of been a far better team had they not lost players to Schools, think they had four from the early squad which were recruited, three backs and a forward.

Bringing in a kid late can work for a kid, as they obviously seen an need, but to cast him off then seems to be playing games, especially when backs coach was east munster coach and knew them. He should store that disappointment and help it drive him on the pitch, make him stronger.

Kilfeacle had 1 munster youth and iirc had about 3 or 4 east munster reps as they dont send many players to east munster and havent for the past few years. At my age group kilfeacle were one of the strongest teams, and had won the league or made the final every year from u13 to u16 when the east started training only 1 kilfeacle player went to the east munster sessions and he rarely trained and just about made the squad.

4 players were lost to the schools, all to rockwell iirc and all of them had played for the east in the regional games last season

andyman · 03-10-2011 11:57pm

Did Sean Moran get a run-out for Leinster? Huge things expected from him in Kilkenny.

ormond lad · 04-10-2011 12:15am

andyman wrote: »

Did Sean Moran get a run-out for Leinster? Huge things expected from him in Kilkenny.

wasnt used against munster but came on as a sub in the connacht game

ormond lad · 04-10-2011 5:08pm

ormond lad wrote: »

League fixtures for south munster at 17s/19s have been released. think there will be 2 sections at 19s and 4 at 17s
Cant find the other sections
Under 17 League
Section 1
Highfield
Dolphin
Sundays Well
Youghal
Cork Con
Douglas

Under 19 League
Section 1
Crosshaven
Highfield
Bandon
Clonakilty
Ballincollig
Cork Con

other sections of south 19s and 17s leagues

U19 league
Section 2
Sunday's Well
Dolphin
Midleton
Cobh Pirates

Under 19 Development League:
Muskerry
Old Christians
Kinsale
Mallow

Under 17 League
Section 2
Ballincollig
Bandon
Bantry Bay
Clonakilty
CBC
Kinsale
Dunmanway
Skibbereen

Section 3
Kanturk
Mallow
Midleton
Cobh Pirates
Mitchelstown
Fermoy

Section 4
Crosshaven
PBC
Carrigaline
Old Christians
Charleville
Muskerry

ormond lad · 08-10-2011 7:10pm

Munster beat connacht in their final interpro in the sportsground today 15-12. Leinster beat Ulster to win the interpro title

Youths Rugby

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