Youths Rugby

muscleshirt

Mudfest wrote: »

I am sorry if I gave the impression that "players picked weren't up to it", my intention was to highlight the two lads who I felt were surprising omissions, felt they were talented rugby players, Martin Mulnane another one perhaps, and not to take away from those picked, but wish the lads that did make it the very best, great opportunity for them and hope they enjoy it and develop further.

On a separate topic, seeing weight and bulk came up, I have been involved with teams for many years, in the last three with teenagers. In an attempt to supplement their effort to 'bulk up', they are bringing tubs of protein in their gear bags. Not alone are they taking it, but advertising it and encouraging use to others. Maybe I am not educated enough in this area, but I do not agree with it in anyway.
I remember years ago reading an article written by Tony Ward with regards to creatine and the use in rugby schools. We have all seen lads whose young build is far from natural, my concern is perhaps some dangers connected with protein supplements. We can be sure with kids that regarding following guidelines, that some will take less than directed and some will guide themselves and take more.
Am I beginning to show my age?, would I have taken them in my day, I would like to think not, but I myself, again may be ignorant, do not appreciate it in the dressing rooms. Any thoughts?

in your day and possible in mine bulk was not the norm,i was recently looking at the weight stats for the famous 78 munster side most guys were around 12 stone schoolboy stuff nowdays..a lot of coaches going for bulk over brain/style at youth level at present even in the back line which will have a long term consequence.
on the protein supplements some don't contain any creatine,but care should be taken

CatFromHue

A good place to ask about the protein would be in the health and fitness forum. I'd imagine there would be a fair few guys and gals there using it.

To the best of my knowledge protein is not going to cause any problems. You need a certain amount of it in your diet and as far as I know your body can't store it. So if you don't use it e.g. by exercising, you're just washing your money down the toilet.

Protein and supplements aren't bad things but get a bad press as uninformed people assume they are drugs. You need protein in your diet and supplements are just that, supplementary.

Creatine is different. To the best of my knowledge it helps your recovery time so this enables you to train more. Also if you don't use it correctly it won't work and once you stop using it lose the ability to recover as quickly.

ormond lad

In munster at 19s the regional qualifiers are going all right with Nenagh, Waterpark, Kilfeacle-Galbally and Cashel-Thurles nearly definately going to be the qualifiers in the east though there prob will be another qualifier, in the North Shannon-St Marys have started well with no other teams really standing out. In the South Bandon, Sundays Well and Cobh are the stand out teams so far

At 17s in the East waterpark and thurles are through on 1 side of the draw with dungarvan and fethard/clanwilliam through on the other side.
In the West tralee are the stand out team with some big wins with abbeyfeale, killarney next strongest.
In the North in the section that is seeding teams for the pan munster, thomond are on top with bruff in 2nd with ennis and young munster bringing up the rear
In the other section not many games have been played yet.
In the South, some sections seem much stronger than others with the teams at the top of the various groups being highfield, cork con, bandon, crosshaven, kanturk, clonakilty and skibbereen. Of those 7 only 4 will qualify for the pan munster which begins after christmas

In leinster boyne, enniscorthy and wicklow seem to be the strongest teams
How are the other provinces going???

skip64

Hello All... good to be back on line. Had some time away. great to see the munster guys that made the initial 35 on board for the Irish youths...
May i say... i also was extremly suprised not to Oisin O'Mara on the list of 35. I can see 5-6 making the shortlist of 26. OK...i am a youths fan...nothing againt the Collages :-)
grest to see Niall O Neill making it... always thought he has much more to offer and somebody must have seen it also. Munster got a look in at 15, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 6 (2), 5 & 1

ormond lad

skip64 wrote: »

Hello All... good to be back on line. Had some time away. great to see the munster guys that made the initial 35 on board for the Irish youths...
May i say... i also was extremly suprised not to Oisin O'Mara on the list of 35. I can see 5-6 making the shortlist of 26. OK...i am a youths fan...nothing againt the Collages :-)
grest to see Niall O Neill making it... always thought he has much more to offer and somebody must have seen it also. Munster got a look in at 15, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 6 (2), 5 & 1

AFAIK the youths have 3 internationals in april, dont know who they are against. im not surprised to see Oisin not in the squad disapointted but not surprised, his lack of size more than likely counted against him. im very surprised to see Niall O Neill make it.
You can imagine the youths will have another training camp around xmas time.
Hopefully there is at least 6 or 7 from munster in the final squad
How are the provincial leagues going in the other provinces there have been some problems at 19s in munster but the 17s seems to be going very well
The Pan Munster u17 and u19 top 16 leagues should be ready to start after xmas

muscleshirt

any news on the latest cut with the youths,heard A.enright made it

rugby_fan

Ive heard youths squad has been cut and they have a one day camp in December, also heard that they are going to Italy to play them in February and playing England and France in April

ormond lad

rugby_fan wrote: »

Ive heard youths squad has been cut and they have a one day camp in December, also heard that they are going to Italy to play them in February and playing England and France in April

Thats what ive heard as well
A training camp around new years, they play italy in the middle of february and france and england during the easter holidays

rugby_fan

ormond lad wrote: »

Thats what ive heard as well
A training camp around new years, they play italy in the middle of february and france and england during the easter holidays

That seems to be the schedule so:)

muscleshirt

been cut from 35 to 26 another 3 to go by december

ormond lad

Some good games on in 19s league this weekend that should help make out who the group winners and runners up in munster and leinster will be and who will be into the knockout stages in both provinces

Roscrea&Birr, Boyne, Enniscorthy and Wicklow all seem set to be in the playoffs in leinster.
Fixtures for tomorrow below
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/results/index.php
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/9673.php

How are the leagues going in Ulster and Connacht??

ormond lad

Any results from today???
Bruff are top seeds for pan munster in the north after beating young munster today with thomond 2nd seeds

muscleshirt

ormond lad wrote: »

Any results from today???
Bruff are top seeds for pan munster in the north after beating young munster today with thomond 2nd seeds

shannon/marys won today 50 plus nil against ennis,that should put them top

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

Any results from today???
Bruff are top seeds for pan munster in the north after beating young munster today with thomond 2nd seeds

muscleshirt wrote: »

shannon/marys won today 50 plus nil against ennis,that should put them top

Its at 17s that bruff are top seeds.
Shannon-St Marys will top their section at 19s with that win today and play 2nd from the other group(which has only 1 result in for the league so far)

Dave Joyce

I can only speak for Corinthians 19's and they have only played two games so far and beaten in both. The first game was against Sligo (who have won 2 from 3 games) which they narrowly lost after my own young lad missed a penalty in the last play of the game which would have given us the game by two points, 11-12 to Sligo.

The second game was against probably the strongest side in the League (the side that won the All Ireland 17's title) Galwegians which was another close encounter with 'Wegians winning by 12-7. Some very contentious refereeing with 2 players straight red carded (deservedly it has to be said) but some very questionable decisions to both sides.

The other strong side in the League will be Monivea who have beaten both Ballinasloe and easily beat Sligo.

rugby_fan

From IRFU website:


Ireland U-18 Club coach Wayne Mithchell has named a 25 man squad for a mini training camp in December. This camp and yesterday's Ireland Exiles U-18 game against Wales will serve as the basis for a final squad selection in the New Year.


This one day camp takes place in Ashbourne RFC on December 17th and follows on from the highly successful National Talent Camp which was held at Clongowes at the end of October. Thirty seven U-18 Club players drawn from the all four provinces and the Exiles attended on that weekend.
The Irish Exiles U-18s beat a Welsh Exiles U-18 side over the weekend and this game along with the one day camp will allow coach Wayne Mitchell and Assistant Coach Jimmy Duffy to run the rule over prospective players.
Following the training day in December a 23 man squad will be named for a 3 day training camp later in the month with a final squad then being announced for the game against Italy U-18s in Rovigo on February 18th.
The Ireland U-18 clubs then face England away on April 14th and France at home on May 5th.
Ireland U-18 Clubs Training Squad
Caolin Blade (Monivea)
Russell Blair (Ballymoney)
Adam Byrne (Naas)
Ben Carty (Buccaneers)
Fergal Cleary (Navan)
Brian Cunningham (Navan)
Graeme Currie (Portadown)
Peter Dooley (Birr)
Adrian Enright (Abbeyfeale)
Scott Flannagan (Buccaneers)
Jonathan Hayes (Nenagh Ormond)
Seamus Keating (Dungarvan)
Stephen Keelan (Navan)
John Madigan (Charleville)
Leon Martin (Tullamore)
Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
Paul O'Donnell (Galwegians)
Jack O'Donohue (Waterpark)
Killian O'Keeffee (Crosshaven)
Josh O'Rourke (DLSP)
Reuben Pepperhobbs (Wesport)
Conor Simpson (Coleraine)
Killian Sweeney (Malahide)
Jacob Walsh (Ballinasloe)
Jim White (Enniscorthy)
Ireland U-18 Club Management
Head Coach - Wayne Mitchell
Assistant Coach - Jimmy Duffy
Manager - Willie Gribben
Physio - David Hanly
Strength & Conditioning Coach - Joe McGinley
Team Assistant - Tom Nyhan
Video Analyst - Jim Herring

rugby_fan

any thoughts on squad?

ormond lad

rugby_fan wrote: »

any thoughts on squad?

delighted jonny made it, hadnt heard anything that he had, also great to see madigan making it.

rugby_fan

good to see some new names getting there chance due to the exiles not being involved in this camp

exile17

I'm an exile dad, and reading your comment, not sure how to take it.
Are you saying that there should be no exile representation in Irish rugby, and that the IRFU should only look inside the box.

ormond lad

rugby_fan wrote: »

good to see some new names getting there chance due to the exiles not being involved in this camp

exile17 wrote: »

I'm an exile dad, and reading your comment, not sure how to take it.
Are you saying that there should be no exile representation in Irish rugby, and that the IRFU should only look inside the box.

To be fair to rugby_fan i think he is saying that its good they are having a look at some more players who wouldnt have had a look at if the exiles were involved this weekend. Jonny Hayes from my club is in the squad this time round but wasnt in the squad announced with the exiles included. There is players getting a shot at the irish squad because the exiles are playing v the welsh exiles

rugby_fan

Yes Ormond lad that is exactly what I meant, wasnt trying to being critical about the exiles in any way just think its important that as many players as possible get there opportunity!

ormond lad

Irish Youths Manager Willie Gribbon talks about irish youths selection process http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_embedded&v=ztdGN9fmKrs
In the interview he mentions 43 players whove played youths in the last few years have made it at the top level

profitius

ormond lad wrote: »

Irish Youths Manager Willie Gribbon talks about irish youths selection process http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_embedded&v=ztdGN9fmKrs
In the interview he mentions 43 players whove played youths in the last few years have made it at the top level

Link not working, OL.

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

Irish Youths Manager Willie Gribbon talks about irish youths selection process http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_embedded&v=ztdGN9fmKrs
In the interview he mentions 43 players whove played youths in the last few years have made it at the top level

profitius wrote: »

Link not working, OL.

try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdGN9fmKrs&feature=player_embedded

skip64

I have one comment to add..
I sat and had to listen to crap on the Dungarvan lads... what i saw of them in the past years they are producing some fine players. for a club in the wilderness they have a fine under structure. a little stuck on the fringes of city/collages as Under 19's seem to be an issue.
for this out there - those country lads also go to college!. Pity Laurence Houlihan did not make the cut for Irish Trials... and a well done to Seamus Keating...his is versatile. still a shame that Oisin PO Mara did not get a call...even this time round to show his ability.

ormond lad

skip64 wrote: »

I have one comment to add..
I sat and had to listen to crap on the Dungarvan lads... what i saw of them in the past years they are producing some fine players. for a club in the wilderness they have a fine under structure. a little stuck on the fringes of city/collages as Under 19's seem to be an issue.
for this out there - those country lads also go to college!. Pity Laurence Houlihan did not make the cut for Irish Trials... and a well done to Seamus Keating...his is versatile. still a shame that Oisin PO Mara did not get a call...even this time round to show his ability.

Dungarvan have done well the past few seasons but considering how many lads they had on east munster last season, its disapointing to see them not be able to field a 19s team on their own.
Madigan was the best munster 2nd row and prob the only one to deserve a shot at the irish team. Keating is only an outhalf in my opinion, doesnt seem as sure in himself in the other positions further out the backline.

How are the other provincial leagues going???
East Munster will have its pan munster qualifiers at 19s decided after next weekend as will the other regions.

Dave Joyce

Funnily enough that you guys raised the point about U19's and fielding teams as it seems to be a major problem in Connacht too, what with lads working weekends, away at college during the week, I think a lot of clubs are finding it difficult to field full strenght sides if even a side at all.

Don't know how any of the other sides went this weekend in Connacht but Corinthians went down to Monivea 31-24 in Monivea.

skip64

Dave - yes, i agree totally...Society has changed. Households are feeling the pinch and with collage fees...etc these fine young ambitious men are seeking ways to pay the way and not be putting more pressure on families trying to survive. Once again the Government is going to drain the blood of the very people that had nothing to do with the fall of the Economy. I can talk… I have 4..and trying to make sure each one can follow their dreams & aspirations in life and not to allow this sick Political Society stop them from doing so….sorry for diverting form the subject.
Ormond Lad – you are right about Madigan… he was the best front row.

skip64

sorry Second row... :-)

muscleshirt

there ia serious talk about bringing the age groups back to 18/20 next season
that should help the rural clubs

ormond lad

muscleshirt wrote: »

there ia serious talk about bringing the age groups back to 18/20 next season
that should help the rural clubs

Its only talk and its not happening, age groups staying at 17s/19s

Dave Joyce

Funnily enough, just found out for definate that Corinthians have pulled their U21's side this year as they couldn't get enough of a squad together, what with a few playing with the seniors and the rest would be playing with the 19's. To be honest I think at 21 lads are big and mature enough to play senior, 2nd's or 3rds but at 19/20 just that little bit young (obviously there are exceptions, I just mean in general). IMHO, I think it should be 17's/19's/20's

ormond lad

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Funnily enough, just found out for definate that Corinthians have pulled their U21's side this year as they couldn't get enough of a squad together, what with a few playing with the seniors and the rest would be playing with the 19's. To be honest I think at 21 lads are big and mature enough to play senior, 2nd's or 3rds but at 19/20 just that little bit young (obviously there are exceptions, I just mean in general). IMHO, I think it should be 17's/19's/20's

Will not be 17s/19s/20s as most clubs need the 2 years(20s and 21s) to have enough for a team at 21s.
It will not be going back to 16s/18s and going back to those is the only way it will go back to 20s

ormond lad

In East Munster at 19s the last round of group games are on this weekend.
Waterpark are through to the pan munster and the east semis in first place with an unbeaten record so far.
3 and maybe 4 more teams will qualify for the pan munster stage after christmas, Nenagh, Cashel-Thurles and Dungarvan-Waterford City look like being 3 of the qualifiers.
In North Munster at 19s in section 2 Shannon-St Marys have topped the group and Garryowen topped Section 1 and the semi final line up for this sunday is as follows;
Garryowen v St Senan's in Dooradoyle at 11.30 and
Shannon/St Mary's v Bruff in Coonagh at 12
At 19s in the South Bandon have topped 1 section with all to play for in the other
At 17s in the north their was only 4 teams going forward for the pan munster, the rest are playing in another section that has only had a few games played so far.
In the east in the semis waterpark play clonmel and dungarvan play thurles. these 4 have qualified for the pan munster
in the south there is 3 or 4 sections-im not sure what way qualification is for the pan munster section

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

In East Munster at 19s the last round of group games are on this weekend.
Waterpark are through to the pan munster and the east semis in first place with an unbeaten record so far.
3 and maybe 4 more teams will qualify for the pan munster stage after christmas, Nenagh, Cashel-Thurles and Dungarvan-Waterford City look like being 3 of the qualifiers.
In North Munster at 19s in section 2 Shannon-St Marys have topped the group and Garryowen topped Section 1 and the semi final line up for this sunday is as follows;
Garryowen v St Senan's in Dooradoyle at 11.30 and
Shannon/St Mary's v Bruff in Coonagh at 12
At 19s in the South Bandon have topped 1 section with all to play for in the other
At 17s in the north their was only 4 teams going forward for the pan munster, the rest are playing in another section that has only had a few games played so far.
In the east in the semis waterpark play clonmel and dungarvan play thurles. these 4 have qualified for the pan munster
in the south there is 3 or 4 sections-im not sure what way qualification is for the pan munster section

Waterpark beat Nenagh in east 19s group game, and top the league after the group stage
Shannon and Garryowen won north 19s semis
Dungarvan won east 17s semi against thurles 17-10

Dave Joyce

Corinthians V Ballinasloe U19's called off and I doubt any matches went ahead this weekend as a lot of pitches in the west are in total shi'te with the amount of rain we've had

ormond lad

Clonmel play Cashel-Thurles in Clonmel on sunday for a spot in the pan munster 19s with the loser getting another shot at a pan munster spot against dungarvan the following week.

The East u17 league final is on sunday in Carrick on Suir with Dungarvan taking on Waterpark. Thurles play Clonmel to decide seedings for the pan munster
On saturday the south decides some of its reps in Pan Munster at 17s when Clonakilty play Cobh and Old Christians play Sunday's Well

Garryowen play Shannon-St Marys in the north u19 league final on sunday
Bruff to play St.Senan's to sort out seedings and Young Munster to play Ennis to decide final Munster U19 qualifier.

kensutz

ormond lad wrote: »

Dungarvan won east 17s semi against thurles 17-10

12-10 was the score

ormond lad

http://domestic.connachtrugby.ie/201112082073/17s-set-for-semi-final-scramble
17s Set for Semi-final Scramble Thursday, 08 December 2011 12:12
The hotly-contested Under-17 league, like Christmas shopping and December tanning schedules, has suffered somewhat due to recent inclement weather.
Soundtracked by the ever-present drum of rain and hail against windows and waterlogged pitch-induced moans, this season's league is set for a climactic finish where seven teams stake claims for top-four playoff berths and summertime silverware.
Games-in-hand are a key feature of the points table, and the fact two lots of two teams share common points tallies. Corinthians, middling on the table having won three of six, knocked over the previously-unbeaten Ballinasloe over the weekend. Buccaneers, languishing in the doldrums last week with none from four, scored a super away win over Connemara and are now tied for sixth-equal.
The next round has Westport hosting Sligo where a home win could consolidate Westport’s lead and put Sligo under severe pressure to make the play-offs. Galwegians and Ballinasloe, neck-and-neck on the table (the latter two points shy but with a game in hand), meet in the round crunch match. Buccs host Ballina in Athlone, both outfits desperate to put breathing space between each other in the race for that elusive fourth spot. Finally Corinthians meet Connemara on the N17, where a win at home will lift them nearer to third than fourth affording them a chance to dictate their own playoff destiny.
(contributed - Gerry Conway)

muscleshirt

shannon/marys win n/munster u19 league final over garryowen 27-6

ormond lad

muscleshirt wrote: »

shannon/marys win n/munster u19 league final over garryowen 27-6

saw the very end of it, they were the much stronger team. Helps when you have a few irish youths on your team like cronan gleeson etc

muscleshirt

ormond lad wrote: »

saw the very end of it, they were the much stronger team. Helps when you have a few irish youths on your team like cronan gleeson, aaron atkinson(with garryowen) etc.

saw the game
garryowen had a lot more repesentive players than shannon,the shannon backs are very pacey very good defensively also, their 12/13 combination are lethal

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

saw the very end of it, they were the much stronger team. Helps when you have a few irish youths on your team like cronan gleeson etc

muscleshirt wrote: »

saw the game
garryowen had a lot more repesentive players than shannon,the shannon backs are very pacey very good defensively also, their 12/13 combination are lethal

I only saw a few minutes towards the end of it, apart from aaron atkinson what other representative players did they have?

muscleshirt

ormond lad wrote: »

I only saw a few minutes towards the end of it, apart from aaron atkinson what other representative players did they have?

for garryowen including atkinson
cillian walsh played irish youths last year, /john madigan munster irish youths
martin mullane/munster youth /jack kingston munster youth last year /ben drew munster u19 .. adrian enright not playing today

ormond lad

muscleshirt wrote: »

for garryowen including atkinson
cillian walsh played irish youths last year, /john madigan munster irish youths
martin mullane/munster youth /jack kingston munster youth last year /ben drew munster u19 .. adrian enright not playing today

And they were, along with some of the other limerick clubs, whinging about waterpark for the previous few seasons having such a large pick of players. At least waterpark developed all theirs, and not went and got half of the munster youths from this and last season to play for them

i think the draw for pan munster will be made soon enough as its to start after xmas. Draw will be interesting, i believe the qualifiers from each region for the Pan Munster 19s is North 5, South 5, East 4, West 2.

ormond lad

Waterpark won 17-0 against Dungarvan in the East u17 League final for their 3rd east u17 title in a row

muscleshirt

ormond lad wrote: »

Waterpark won 17-0 against Dungarvan in the East u17 League final for their 3rd east u17 title in a row

what are the waterpark u19 like this year?

kensutz

muscleshirt wrote: »

what are the waterpark u19 like this year?

Very strong yet again as with all their underage groups.

ormond lad

muscleshirt wrote: »

what are the waterpark u19 like this year?

very strong, will take a very strong team to beat them in munster this year again. Shannon-st marys, nenagh with a little bit of work and some of the south teams like bandon, will give them a run for the munster title