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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,976 profitius


    Fair play to Shannon/St Marys etc for joining up to form competitive teams in the various age grades. Hopefully it'll show the way forward for more clubs to follow.

    As for Cork Con, they could be even better if they had youths teams but maybe they like being elitist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 cassey


    does anyone have any links/coverage to under 18 match in Berlin last weekend???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    Waterpark building their way back to the top
    By Terry Reilly
    Tuesday, March 29, 2011
    AT THE dawn of the millennium, things looked good for Waterford rugby club Waterpark
    Sitting among the elite in the All-Ireland League and benefiting from Munster’s growing positive PR, big things were expected from the club, with a huge Ballinakill hinterland behind them. But changes to the club game killed their momentum.

    Relegation from the top ranks came in 2008. For those looking from the outside it looked like another doom and gloom story. However, based on a phenomenally successful underage structure, they’ve rebuilt into a force again.

    On Saturday, the club claimed the Avonmore Milk Munster U19 and U17 league finals for the second successive season, adding to the All-Ireland U17 title won last year.

    "It’s from all the hard work from the U6s up, with all the coaches. We get good people in to coach them and that’s key," said U17 coach George Andersen.

    One day, a Waterpark player might line out for Munster, that would be a dream come true for all the coaches at the junior club.

    "There’s a few standout players at U19 level and my team has six in the Munster set-up at the moment. We’d all love to see a few of them make it as professionals but it’s a long road.

    "The problem is they are big fish in a small pond here and when they go elsewhere, they can get lost. It’d be great for Waterpark and Waterford if one of them made it. The last Waterford player on the Munster team was Ben Cronin."

    It’s not a true success story yet, though, as the club are losing their best and brightest to the likes of UL, Shannon, UCC and Wanderers. U19 coach John Molloy accepts the big leagues of the AIL will always take their best but a policy of investing in youth will eventually pay.

    "The lads need to see the ambitions of the club," he said. "Before, when there was a lot of money thrown about on junior rugby there were a lot of debts but our structures, to further the club, are based on developing our youth and bringing them through to the senior set-up. It’s already happening. Nine or 10 of the starting 15 on the seniors came through our underage set-up in the last three years."

    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2011/0329/sport/waterp ark-building-their-way-back-to-the-top-149650.html#ixzz1I6ig U93J


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    All Ireland U17 And U19 Semi Finals


    1 April 2011, 11:45 am
    By Editor
    is Semi Final time in the All Ireland U17 and U19 Club competitions this weekend and there is action on Saturday and Sunday in Dundalk and The Sportsground. Dundalk RFC plays host to two semi finals on Saturday with near neighbours Boyne facing Malone in the U19 game at 1pm and then Gorey face Banbridge at 3pm in the U17 game. Then on Sunday the action moves to Galway and The Sportsground. The action kicks off at 1pm when local side Galwegians play Waterpark in the second U17 semi final.
    Waterpark will be making it a double header as their U19 side play Buccaneers in the other semi at 3pm.
    The finals are set to be hosted in Naas RFC on the weekend of April 30th
    to read more: http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/22803.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    ormond lad wrote: »
    banbridge play gorey in the 2nd semi final at u17s.
    gorey won 31-19


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    waterpark lost in 17s to galwegians 34-12 and lost 19s to buccaneers 15-8

    malone beat boyne in the other 19s semi final 20-15
    according to some waterpark lads the buccs team was one of the biggest 19s teams they had ever seen and 3 of the buccs lads played AIL at the weekend


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    ormond lad wrote: »
    waterpark lost in 17s to galwegians 34-12 and lost 19s to buccaneers 15-8

    malone beat boyne in the other 19s semi final 20-15
    according to some waterpark lads the buccs team was one of the biggest 19s teams they had ever seen and 3 of the buccs lads played AIL at the weekend
    2 of the buccs team that played against waterpark are playing for connacht A today


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    irish youths play england u18s in ashbourne on sunday, kick off 11.30
    munster u19s play shannon-st marys in coonagh tonight


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,976 profitius


    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths play england u18s in ashbourne on sunday, kick off 11.30
    munster u19s play shannon-st marys in coonagh tonight

    Would it be accurate to say theres more underage games this year than before?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths play england u18s in ashbourne on sunday, kick off 11.30
    munster u19s play shannon-st marys in coonagh tonight
    profitius wrote: »
    Would it be accurate to say theres more underage games this year than before?
    the irish youths actually have less games than previous years as the schools team are taking part in the FIRA tournament as the 4 nations tournament the schools used to take part in was got rid of


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    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths play england u18s in ashbourne on sunday, kick off 11.30
    munster u19s play shannon-st marys in coonagh tonight
    munster beat them 30something 17...their better fitness prevailed

    Munster ran three tries in initially. Looked like Shannon/St.Mary's would be overrun but to their credit they dug in a struck back with 2 tries of their own. The fitness of the Munster lads really showed in the second half and the Munster lads also had the numbers to be able to spring nearly 10 quality players frm the bench. Shannon/St.Mary's struggled then but can be proud of their display.


  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭ TheJims


    ormond lad wrote: »
    Waterpark who contested both finals last year are again both finals this season.

    Sad that with all the success Waterpark has had, I dont know of any Waterford lads who have made the jump up to the Munster Squad as of late... i know a few of the lads move off to college, n play for Cork & Limerick clubs, But would love to see Munster/Waterpark after a players name..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    TheJims wrote: »
    Sad that with all the success Waterpark has had, I dont know of any Waterford lads who have made the jump up to the Munster Squad as of late... i know a few of the lads move off to college, n play for Cork & Limerick clubs, But would love to see Munster/Waterpark after a players name..
    the last waterford man to play for munster was ben cronin who played in the australia game in 92,
    many of the lads who were part of the 18s team that won a munster title in 2007, did leave to play with senior clubs especially in limerick and cork but many of them are back playing in waterford and the senior side of the club is being reorganised since the trouble the club had the season they got relegated from the AIL
    one of those u18s munster champs,who played irish youths for 2 years, from 07 played for shannon u21s in their north league final win last night but is involved in waterpark through coaching their u15s
    nearly all of last years munster winning u19s are still with the club at 21s. the club are now keepin their best young players and in a few years dont be surprised if waterpark are back as a senior club


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    One Change To Ireland U-18 Clubs Team


    8 April 2011, 6:38 pm
    By Editor



    The Ireland Under-18 Clubs team, sponsored by PwC, to play a combined England U-18 Clubs and Schools selection in Ashbourne on Sunday morning (kick-off 11.30am) has been named.
    The Ireland starting line-up shows one change to the side that defeated the German Under-18s 54-0 in Berlin last month.
    Scrum half Finbarr McGowan picked up an injury in that game so Carlow's Eoin Stynes starts, with Barry Digby of Buccaneers added to the replacements bench.
    Portlaoise lock Eoghan Masterson will captain the side for their second game of the year.
    IRELAND UNDER-18 CLUBS Team & Replacements (v Combined England U-18 Clubs/Schools XV, Ashbourne RFC, Sunday, April 10, kick-off 11.30am):
    15 - David Panter (St. Paul's College/London Irish/Exiles)
    14 - Tom Flynn (Epsom College/Cobham RFC/Exiles)
    13 - Conall Doherty (City of Derry/Ulster)
    12 - Thomas Daly (County Carlow/Leinster)
    11 - Conor Fitzgibbon (Buccaneers/Connacht)
    10 - Liam Bourke (Navan/Leinster)
    9 - Eoin Stynes (County Carlow/Leinster)
    1 - Peter Dooley (Birr/Leinster)
    2 - George McGuigan (Gosforth Academy/Newcastle Falcons/Exiles)
    3 - Ryan Furniss (Worcester College/Worcester Warriors/Exiles)
    4 - Eoghan Masterson (Portlaoise/Leinster) (capt)
    5 - Ultan Dillane (Tralee/Munster)
    6 - Akhlaque Khan (Navan/Leinster)
    7 - Sean O'Brien (Galwegians/Connacht)
    8 - Conor Joyce (Solihull School/Leicester Tigers/Exiles)
    Replacements:
    16 - Jamie Dever (Westport/Connacht)
    17 - Josh O'Rourke (De La Salle Palmerston/Leinster)
    18 - Cillian Walsh (Killarney/Munster)
    19 - David O'Connell (Old Christians/Munster)
    20 - Cronan Gleeson (Nenagh Ormond/Munster)
    21 - Barry Digby (Buccaneers/Connacht)
    22 - Kieran Butler (New Ross/Leinster)
    23 - Adam Byrne (Naas/Leinster)
    irishrugby.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    irish youths drew against england this morning. 23-23


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    irish youths play their 3rd game on saturday against france in quimper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths drew against england this morning. 23-23
    match report from here
    Ireland U-18 Club Side Draw With England Combined Team
    11 April 2011, 2:20 pm
    Match Report By Editor
    The Ireland U-18 Club team turned in a terrific first half performance but let slip the lead to an experienced England Combined School and Club side with the match ending in a draw.
    The Greg Lynch coached Ireland U-18 Club side were disappointed with a 23-23 draw against England having lead 17-0 at half time. The match, played in very hot conditions at the excellent Ashbourne RFC ground in front of a large crowd, was the proverbial match of two halves with Ireland winning the first half and England the second.
    Ireland, who had one enforced change from the original line with Cronan Gleeson (Munster) replacing Sean O'Brien (Connacht) who sustained an injury during training, kicked off with a wind in their backs.
    Openside flanker Akalaque Khan scored the opening try in the left hand corner after four minutes following sustained pressure on the England line to give the home side a 5-0 lead.
    Ireland caught the restart and retained possession to once again force England back into their 22. On nine minutes centre Thomas Daly punished England indiscipline at the breakdown when he knocked over a long penalty from the 10 metre line.
    Following another good restart collection by captain Eoghan Masterson Ireland went on the attack again. An excellent break by full back David Panter once again took play deep into the England half and again England were penalised by referee Jason Griffiths. Daly added the points to extend Ireland's lead to 11-0 with only 11 minutes gone.
    Ireland continued to dominate both possession and territory making good use of the wind and the threatening runs of pacey wing Tom Flynn which tested the English defence to the full. With 18 minutes gone England were once again penalised at the breakdown and Daly added the points to extend Ireland's lead to 14-0.
    The Irish pack with lock Ultan Dillane and back rowers Masterson, Khan and Conor Joyce were particularly prominent as they took the game to the English. On 26 minutes centre Daly once again stepped up to punish the English who in trying to run the ball from deep turned it over and then compounded the error by conceding a penalty for offside in the backs.
    This gave Ireland what should have been a comfortable 17-0 lead at half time.
    Both teams went into the changing rooms at half time to get some respite from the hot sun. Ireland made one change at half time bringing on Kieran Butler to replace Conall Doherty. When the match restarted it was England who gained the upper hand in the opening minutes as Ireland were punished for errors and indiscipline.
    Ireland's restart catch, an area that had looked so secure in the first half, was poor and the referee penalised them allowing England to gain the opening points of the half within the first 2 minutes.
    Ireland then failed to clear their lines and were penalised at the ruck allowing England to narrow the gap to 17-6. Ireland now looked nervy in possession, all of their first half confidence and assurance when in possession had gone, and once again they gave away a silly penalty.
    Fortunately the kick was missed but by now the English side were playing with a new found confidence. Ireland cause wasn't helped when out half Liam Bourke was forced off with an ankle injury as this caused a reshuffle in the back line.
    Daly moved to out half with Panter to centre and replacement Adam Byrne took over at full back. Ireland then enjoyed a short period of possession and it looked as they may have weathered the storm but unfortunately a good try scoring opportunity was missed when, following a good break by Panter, the ball was not given to the free man on the outside.
    England took heart from this let off and took play deep into the Irish half where once again Irish indiscipline was punished as England converted the penalty to close the gap to 17-9.
    Ireland brought on Jamie Dever for Ryan Furniss. Following a superb break by Tom Flynn, who picked up a loose England kick and set off on a great counter attacking run, Ireland were awarded a penalty which Daly converted to extend Ireland's lead to 20-11.
    This should have settled the nervy Irish side but following the restart Ireland were penalised for failing to release and England kicked to the corner. Following a good line out they moved the ball swiftly into mid field where a well angled run breached the Irish defence to score close to the posts. The added conversion narrowed the score to 23 -16.
    This further encouraged England and placed further pressure on the young Irish side. Even the Irish line out which had been sound was affected as they lost three on their own throw as the match clock ran down. England continued to pressurise and only valiant Ireland tackling held their line intact in the closing minute.
    With one minute to go Ireland were awarded a penalty inside their own half but unfortunately for them the kick failed to find touch and England ran the ball leading to a score which was converted to level the match at 23-23. Ireland regained at the restart but were forced into touch in the last play of the game.
    The young Irish side will have learned a bitter lesson with regard to game management and ball retention from this match against an England side who were a few months older.
    They now have just 5 days to regroup as they meet France in Quimper next Saturday-16 April at 19.30 in the Stade De Penvillers.
    Match Report by Willie Gribben


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,976 profitius


    I came across this article the other day and it raises some questions.
    http://www.nowrugby.com/an-england-player-with-a-foot-in-both-camps/3135.htm

    Kieran Ball knows what kind of test England Under 18s Clubs and Schools can expect when they take on Ireland this Sunday because last year he was pulling on the green jersey.

    The prop from Essex qualifies to represent Ireland because his grandmother is Irish and by playing for the Exiles he progressed through the selection process.

    Kieran played three warm up fixtures with the Ireland age grade team before reaching the final of the FIRA AER tournament where they were defeated by France.

    “Ireland have a good running game and move the ball well,” said Kieran. “I know four of the boys who are playing for Ireland Under18 Clubs again this season and they seem confident that they can beat us at the weekend but I’ve told them they are wrong!”

    “The Irish have had more training time than us but the quality of the coaching we are receiving is excellent. I can see how much I have developed as a player even in the limited time we have had available.”

    If both teams’ previous fixtures are anything to go by, Sunday’s clash could be an exciting game of attacking rugby. Ireland Under 18 Clubs beat Germany Under 18s 54-0 while England still scored five tries despite going down 58-33 to a very physical Worcester Warriors Academy Under 19s last weekend.

    The warm up match was the first time the England team had played together and the conditioned game of four quarters allowed the coaches to experiment with different combinations.

    “We can take confidence from our performance,” said Kieran. “Our defence was weak but it is always difficult when you are in a team who have never played before. We conceded 17 points in the first quarter but by the second and the third quarters we were already making progress and really developed within the game.

    “When you win, there is always the danger of complacency but the loss has given us complete determination to go forward. There is a lot of talent in the team and it is an amazing opportunity to be alongside such exciting players.”

    Kieran won his first cap for England at Under16 but there was no aspirational Under 18 team last season so the Clubs and Schools team was introduced. It gives players the experience of representative rugby while keeping them on the selectors’ radar as they continue to pursue academic commitments.

    Kieran attends Wellington College and his immediate ambition is to go to Cambridge University and play in the annual Varsity Match held at Twickenham.

    “My studies are a little bit on the back burner at the moment,” admits Kieran. “But rugby comes first for me and if we win against Ireland it will all be worth it.”

    “I know I was fortunate to be able to play for Ireland last year. But if I ever had to choose it would be the rose every time. To pull on an England shirt is an incredible honour.”

    The coaches will name Sunday’s starting line up after the team have trained at the Surrey Sports Park this afternoon.

    They then fly to Dublin on Saturday ready to take on Ireland Under 18 Clubs at Ashbourne RFC (April 10, 11.30.)

    England Under 18 Clubs and Schools Squad:

    Forwards:

    Kieran Ball (Wellington College), Tom Crozier (Colchester RFC, Colchester VI College), Hugo Govett (Leeds Grammar School), Ross Harrison (Lymm RFC, Lymm High School), Matthew Lamont (Exeter Chiefs, Ivybridge Community College), Daniel Lee (Exeter Chiefs, Ivybridge Community College), Hugh Lockhart (Bromsgrove RFC, Bromsgrove School), Hugh McBride (Bromsgrove School), Josh Pettet (Sevenoaks RFC, Cranbrook School), Joe Robinson (Newcastle Falcons, Sedbergh School), Elliott Stooke (Hartpury College), Nico Woodward (Coney Hill RFC, St. Peter’s Gloucester)

    Backs:

    Joseph Bartlett (Taunton RFC, Ivybridge Community College), Tom Bowen (Lewes RFC, Sussex Downs College), James Crossley (North Walsham RFC, Wymondham College), Freddie Gabbitass (Bath Rugby, Millfield School), Tom Harty (Cobham RFC, Epsom College), Jamie-John Kilmartin (Bath Rugby, Millfield School), Henry Purdy (London Wasps, Cokethorpe School), Harry Sloan (Harlequins, Skinners School), Henry Taylor (Harlequins, Cranleigh School), Jacob Wilson (London Wasps, Cokethorpe School)

    It seems that Ireland could be wasting their time looking for exiles to play for them. Its actually worse than that now because all they're doing it scouting players for England. Ball is the latest to jump ship and you also have Kieran Brookes and Geraghty before him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    profitius wrote: »
    I came across this article the other day and it raises some questions.
    It seems that Ireland could be wasting their time looking for exiles to play for them. Its actually worse than that now because all they're doing it scouting players for England. Ball is the latest to jump ship and you also have Kieran Brookes and Geraghty before him.

    you are quite right about the exiles, by us playing them with the youths we are putting the best of them in the shop window for england to steal them,
    the 5 or 6 spots in the squad would be better off going to lads from the 4 provinces who wont be declaring for another country in a few years time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Tipp Lad


    it was good to see a second player from munster starting on the irish youths last sunday, nenagh ormounds cronan gleeson, from what i remember played no.6 for munster youths.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    Tipp Lad wrote: »
    it was good to see a second player from munster starting on the irish youths last sunday, nenagh ormounds cronan gleeson, from what i remember played no.6 for munster youths.
    he did play 6 for munster youths, and is a very good player, and afaik will be in the sub academy next season


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Tipp Lad


    the number 10 for ireland liam bourke is out injured for thier final game v france on saturday evening,have yee any idea who'll get his place,and will some luckey lad get a surprise call up for a trip to france.lets hope its one of our home base players as i do think for youths this is where we need to be focusing on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    Tipp Lad wrote: »
    the number 10 for ireland liam bourke is out injured for thier final game v france on saturday evening,have yee any idea who'll get his place,and will some lucky lad get a surprise call up for a trip to france.lets hope its one of our home base players as i do think for youths this is where we need to be focusing on.
    doubt they will call up another player as they have a squad of around 30 already


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    munster 19s play waterpark 19s in clonmel tomorrow night, kick-off 6.45pm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    underage rugby in munster will nearly be finished for the season with the following games on over the weekend
    in the north the u14 cup final between garryowen and young munster is in LIT tomorrow evening at 7pm
    on sunday the U/15 Cup Final between Bruff and Old Crescent is on in LIT at 11.30 and the U/17 League Semi Finals are between Shannon and Thomond in Coonagh at 11.30 shannon to win and Bruff and Old Crescent in Bruff at 11.30.
    The first u19 cup semi is also on sunday with shannon-st marys playing thomond in coonagh at 12.00 with the 2nd semi between young munster and newcastle west on monday night in derryknockane at 7pm munsters to win

    in east munster the u19 plate final is on saturday night in thurles at 6pm with nenagh playing clan nenagh to win
    on sunday the u15 plate final is also on in thurles with nenagh playing kilfeacle with kickoff at half 12.nenagh should win
    the u19 cup final between clonmel and waterpark is on in clanwilliam at midday waterpark will win comfortably and the u17 Plate Semi Final between Cashel and Carrick-on-Suir is in Cashel at 11.00.
    kilfeacle play waterpark in the u17 cup 1/4 final sunday in kilfeacle at 11.30 waterpark to edge it in a very tight game
    while in South and West Munster, on saturday crosshaven play fermoy in crosshaven in an u19 cup semi at 2.30, crosshaven to win comfortably
    Bantry Bay play Dolphin in Dunmanway in the u17 B plate final at 12 and Tralee play Abbeyfeale in tralee in the West Munster u17 league final.
    Then on sunday the u17 and u15 cup finals and u19 development cup finals are all on in Wilton, kanturk play mallow at midday in the 15s, Highfield play Sundays well in the 17s at 2 and cobh play midleton in the 19s at 4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    ormond lad wrote: »
    munster 19s play waterpark 19s in clonmel tomorrow night, kick-off 6.45pm
    munster u19 team beat a waterpark team who were missing 5 normal starters 17-14


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    Here is some photos of the Irish Youths in france and below is an interview translated into english about the game with the organiser of the game.
    U18 test match. France - Ireland on Saturday (19 h 30) in Quimper. Chairman RC Quimper, organizer of the event, hopes to attract the crowd to popularize the sport in the region.

    Patrick Guille, what is the real level of this meeting?
    These are young people who are in training centers for professional clubs. We have boys who come from Biarritz, Toulouse, Clermont-Ferrand, Perpignan, etc.. They are too young to play with the seniors, but they participate in junior national competitions of professional clubs. For the most part, they will be found at the top level in these clubs, and even internationally. When U19 came in Quimper in 2007, there was such Mathieu Bastareaud and Morgan Para field. At the game, there is less computation, "pick-and-go is a game much more dynamic, which is sent continuously. It's very enjoyable to watch!

    How RC Quimper he received the organization of this event?

    The Committee of Britain had applied to the Federation to receive an international match. We got the organization that match, then the Committee has called for applications from clubs in the area and we were chosen. The stadium's capacity of Penvillers (7000 seats), among others, participated in this election, and our experience in organizing such events. The committee also requested that we know ahead of organizing that event and other events. That's why we established the feast of rugby in Quimper, all week, with animations Place St. Corentin for school, and we will finish the weekend of 23, 24 April by the International Cadet Tournament Coat with Ligavan.

    It is also an opportunity to give a boost to rugby Breton ...

    Yes. This is an opportunity to show that Britain, even if not in terms of level, a land of rugby, is still a region where the sport is alive and well. It is notably the 5th region of France in the number of clubs, there are substantial numbers, what we lack now is to have players capable of evolving at the highest level. And it is through such events that will bring the world and popularize the game of rugby to get forward which is likely to move us forward in the future.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ormond lad


    irish youths beat france 27-14


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths beat france 27-14

    Thanks for some brilliant posts. You're not getting the recognition you deserve!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,976 profitius


    ormond lad wrote: »
    irish youths beat france 27-14

    Good win. The standard keeps rising.


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