Youths Rugby

ormond lad

rugby_fan wrote: »

thats a lot from leinster:O..basically the whole team

If they are looking at around 40 lads for the irish squad of 25 or 26, leinster prob should have close to half of that 40 as they have been the best team by a good margin, of what ive seen of all the provinces.
though at least 4 or 5 exiles will be involved as well

rugby_fan

yeh thats very true..I see where Leinster also had 3 players from last years Irish youths playing today too..did these players stand out?..you would imagine they would?

ormond lad

rugby_fan wrote: »

yeh thats very true..I see where Leinster also had 3 players from last years Irish youths playing today too..did these players stand out?..you would imagine they would?

They all did, as youd expect they would
Their captain, dooley from birr did stood out as leinsters scrum was well on top- things would have prob have been slightly different if jonathan hayes had been playing for munster.
The full back was good but the lads who were in the backline with him were so much beter than munsters backs that he couldnt not look good when joining the attack. He also defended very well
Josh O Rourke in the 2nd row was good, overall i think madigan from charleville was better but still is a very good player

skip64

Ulster U18 bounced back from last week's loss away to Munster to defeat Connacht 10-3 at Ravenhill on Saturday afternoon...

skip64

Not sure of some of the comments...a dry day would have suited Munster just as much. being critical is always the easy route.

Mudfest

Good on you skip64, people love to be critical.
A good friend of mine whose son is on the team, was at it, a fellow that most importantly does not wear blinkers. He stated that yes Leinster were better and deserved their win, thought the munster lads did not really show in the majority of the first half but battled well in the second and showed a bit of character. Said the two better boys from last week went well again, but the elements made it difficult for all, and that the loss of the two boys in the pack was definitely a factor in the physicality stakes (Leinster pack physically stronger looking and very strong scrum) and bullied a bit. Said Munster missed a kickable penalty very early on and he believed that if they had scored in the second half that they would of smelt blood and then you would of seen two very different teams, with the leinster lads on the back foot. Again I was not at it, however he felt the leinster try was preventable, said the leinster back skated along the touch line and evaded two efforts to put him out, but if the backs and their forwards were so superior how come then that the inferior boys held them scoreless in the second half? Again he said Leinster fully deserved their win, but he hates people being critical of any kid,they have put a lot of effort into 3 games, watching on the sideline is easy lads, encourage, encourage

ormond lad

Mudfest wrote: »

Good on you skip64, people love to be critical.
A good friend of mine whose son is on the team, was at it, a fellow that most importantly does not wear blinkers. He stated that yes Leinster were better and deserved their win, thought the munster lads did not really show in the majority of the first half but battled well in the second and showed a bit of character. Said the two better boys from last week went well again, but the elements made it difficult for all, and that the loss of the two boys in the pack was definitely a factor in the physicality stakes (Leinster pack physically stronger looking and very strong scrum) and bullied a bit. Said Munster missed a kickable penalty very early on and he believed that if they had scored in the second half that they would of smelt blood and then you would of seen two very different teams, with the leinster lads on the back foot. Again I was not at it, however he felt the leinster try was preventable, said the leinster back skated along the touch line and evaded two efforts to put him out, but if the backs and their forwards were so superior how come then that the inferior boys held them scoreless in the second half? Again he said Leinster fully deserved their win, but he hates people being critical of any kid,they have put a lot of effort into 3 games, watching on the sideline is easy lads, encourage, encourage

didnt see opening few minutes, but munster really missed jonny hayes in the front row. He offers much more of a threat with the ball and is a better scrummager than the lads used yesterday
The leinster try was preventable, and a simple tackle would have put him out into touch but he wasnt touched
The weather was so poor that the game deteriorated completly in the 2nd half and leinster did better coping with the conditions than munster
Real pity the game was on donnybrooks 2nd pitch as even in the downpour the game wouldnt have been half as scrappy on the main pitch
Its hard being critical of lads who are 16/17 but they are at a level where they are potentially fighting for academy/sub academy spots so you have to be critical of them. All the lads who played yesterday and last week will have put hours and hours in over the last few years. Encouragement is needed but you have to be critical of how they play if you want them to improve and keep improving.

skip64

valid points...and i really could not argue with that. got wind that the Leinster schools got a trimming from this Leinster youths side.. would have liked to see #12 slot back to #10 for some of these games. did well for East...and played most of the build up games at this position...the final pass that seem to miss/drop/knock-on... Jack O'D made some good ground but could have passed out quicker as our boys were moving and had some space at times. On a wet day Forwards are kings :-).
Ulster bet Connacht 10-3 so to be honest teams are pretty even. what next after next weekend... is it back to clubs & some school home work!... will the Irish youths be kicking into gear now and bring some of this crop to next stage??. nice chatting to you...

ormond lad

skip64 wrote: »

valid points...and i really could not argue with that. got wind that the Leinster schools got a trimming from this Leinster youths side.. would have liked to see #12 slot back to #10 for some of these games. did well for East...and played most of the build up games at this position...the final pass that seem to miss/drop/knock-on... Jack O'D made some good ground but could have passed out quicker as our boys were moving and had some space at times. On a wet day Forwards are kings :-).
Ulster bet Connacht 10-3 so to be honest teams are pretty even. what next after next weekend... is it back to clubs & some school home work!... will the Irish youths be kicking into gear now and bring some of this crop to next stage??. nice chatting to you...

Back to clubs after next weekend. u17/19 league starts in east munster next weekend except for 2 games at 19s which invovle clubs with several players involved with the munster youths squad
There is a meeting tonight that will hopefully decide the league fixtures at 17s/19s in North munster
The league has started in the west at all ages and at younger age groups in east and north munster
South Munster leagues start in a few weeks

skip64

ormond lad wrote: »

Does anyone know who this louis fitzgerald lad from Cork con is? He didnt play for the South in the development games last season and was only called up to the squad a few weeks ago?

Saw his name appear...good young lad. Also for the South the #10 spot was shared between Rory P & Dylan...and both are on the youths.

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

Does anyone know who this louis fitzgerald lad from Cork con is? He didnt play for the South in the development games last season and was only called up to the squad a few weeks ago?

skip64 wrote: »

Saw his name appear...good young lad. Also for the South the #10 spot was shared between Rory P & Dylan...and both are on the youths.

Not good enough for munster level imo. Where did he come from though as he didnt play for the south in the regional games and he wouldnt have been seen playing pan munster as con didnt make it last season.

Mudfest

Louis Fitzgerald was there all the time, from the first day that lads were called up to the provisional squad of over 45 or so that began training in Bruff back in April or when ever it started, again not too nice to be saying he is not good enough in your opinion, he has worked as hard as everyone else on that squad I am sure. There are other players that did not play in the pan munster games last year but are part of the squad, they should not be neglected because their club would not be as strong as others.
Look I am sure you believe there are maybe a couple of lads from your club good enough for the squad, and many of us may feel aggrieved in that respect, but that is the way it is and our opinions regarding such get us nowhere. Picking squads is not an easy job and are always contentious. Believe one of the coaching staff is connected to your club, so you may obviously know far more than most? This is a forum to discuss, and as I said previously Ormond lad generally your posts are very informative, and keep it up, however it is bad form naming a 16/17 year old saying in your opinion is not good enough.

ormond lad

Mudfest wrote: »

Louis Fitzgerald was there all the time, from the first day that lads were called up to the provisional squad of over 45 or so that began training in Bruff back in April or when ever it started, again not too nice to be saying he is not good enough in your opinion, he has worked as hard as everyone else on that squad I am sure. There are other players that did not play in the pan munster games last year but are part of the squad, they should not be neglected because their club would not be as strong as others.
Look I am sure you believe there are maybe a couple of lads from your club good enough for the squad, and many of us may feel aggrieved in that respect, but that is the way it is and our opinions regarding such get us nowhere. Picking squads is not an easy job and are always contentious. Believe one of the coaching staff is connected to your club, so you may obviously know far more than most? This is a forum to discuss, and as I said previously Ormond lad generally your posts are very informative, and keep it up, however it is bad form naming a 16/17 year old saying in your opinion is not good enough.

Im sure he has worked as hard as everyone else in the squad but he wasnt involved in the south munster squad last season and Con didnt make the pan munster so where would coaches, selectors have seen him play. He may have been training with the squad all summer but where did he prove he was good enough for interpro level. He came out of nowhere to be in the squad.
I know that some lads who dont play pan munster will be in the squad but most should be coming from those 16 clubs. There is many clubs who made the pan munster who dont have representatives in that munster squad including some clubs who made the knockout stages.
Shannon did very well last season at 17s and have nobody in the squad
It might be a bit harsh but while he is a very good club player he is not up to interpro level.
There is only 1 other player from nenagh who should have been in the squad and he had been in the squad for a few weeks and was very unlucky to be dropped off the squad

skip64

Ormond Lad - I totally agree with the Nenagh Lad... if not mistaking i saw him in Dublin last week at the Youths Match. Hope it was not a political shot that kept him out. He was drafted in some weeks ago...and then gone again. I hate seeing a young lad ****** about.

Mudfest

Shannon have one player in the 26, with good knowledge of the east munster and some of south, I do believe that the likes of Clonmel should of had another one on the east, believe they had a very skillful back, super football player that never got a peek, very fine player who could of been developed to munster level ( again probably because the impression was Clonmel poor, yet they beat Waterpark in the cup final). Kilfeacle have one representative, they were probably second strongest in the east, would of picked a couple more out of them, had a stand out back. Bruff had a lad that was as tough as nails, good player, and the 7 from the south that got discarded at the final cut was seriously unlucky, very good player. Waterpark have six in the squad, but they probably all deserve their part, as they have been excellent the last couple of years.

Believe that the youths would of been a far better team had they not lost players to Schools, think they had four from the early squad which were recruited, three backs and a forward.

Bringing in a kid late can work for a kid, as they obviously seen an need, but to cast him off then seems to be playing games, especially when backs coach was east munster coach and knew them. He should store that disappointment and help it drive him on the pitch, make him stronger.

ormond lad

Mudfest wrote: »

Shannon have one player in the 26, with good knowledge of the east munster and some of south, I do believe that the likes of Clonmel should of had another one on the east, believe they had a very skillful back, super football player that never got a peek, very fine player who could of been developed to munster level ( again probably because the impression was Clonmel poor, yet they beat Waterpark in the cup final). Kilfeacle have one representative, they were probably second strongest in the east, would of picked a couple more out of them, had a stand out back. Bruff had a lad that was as tough as nails, good player, and the 7 from the south that got discarded at the final cut was seriously unlucky, very good player. Waterpark have six in the squad, but they probably all deserve their part, as they have been excellent the last couple of years.

Believe that the youths would of been a far better team had they not lost players to Schools, think they had four from the early squad which were recruited, three backs and a forward.

Bringing in a kid late can work for a kid, as they obviously seen an need, but to cast him off then seems to be playing games, especially when backs coach was east munster coach and knew them. He should store that disappointment and help it drive him on the pitch, make him stronger.

Kilfeacle had 1 munster youth and iirc had about 3 or 4 east munster reps as they dont send many players to east munster and havent for the past few years. At my age group kilfeacle were one of the strongest teams, and had won the league or made the final every year from u13 to u16 when the east started training only 1 kilfeacle player went to the east munster sessions and he rarely trained and just about made the squad.

4 players were lost to the schools, all to rockwell iirc and all of them had played for the east in the regional games last season

andyman

Did Sean Moran get a run-out for Leinster? Huge things expected from him in Kilkenny.

ormond lad

andyman wrote: »

Did Sean Moran get a run-out for Leinster? Huge things expected from him in Kilkenny.

wasnt used against munster but came on as a sub in the connacht game

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

League fixtures for south munster at 17s/19s have been released. think there will be 2 sections at 19s and 4 at 17s
Cant find the other sections
Under 17 League
Section 1
Highfield
Dolphin
Sundays Well
Youghal
Cork Con
Douglas

Under 19 League
Section 1
Crosshaven
Highfield
Bandon
Clonakilty
Ballincollig
Cork Con

other sections of south 19s and 17s leagues

U19 league
Section 2
Sunday's Well
Dolphin
Midleton
Cobh Pirates

Under 19 Development League:
Muskerry
Old Christians
Kinsale
Mallow

Under 17 League
Section 2
Ballincollig
Bandon
Bantry Bay
Clonakilty
CBC
Kinsale
Dunmanway
Skibbereen

Section 3
Kanturk
Mallow
Midleton
Cobh Pirates
Mitchelstown
Fermoy

Section 4
Crosshaven
PBC
Carrigaline
Old Christians
Charleville
Muskerry

ormond lad

Munster beat connacht in their final interpro in the sportsground today 15-12. Leinster beat Ulster to win the interpro title

ormond lad

Results from some of the weekends games
South Under 19 League
Section 1
Cork Con 21 21 Ballincollig
Section 2
Midleton 15 19 Cobh Pirates
Dolphin 8 12 Sundays Well

South Under 19 Development League
Muskerry 0 8 Old Christians

South Under 17 League
Section 1
Cork Con 33 0 Youghal
Highfield Dolphin Conceded by Dolphin
Section 2
Dunmanway 10 41 Skibbereen
Ballincollig 22 10 Bandon
Section 3
Mitchelstown Fermoy Conceded by Mitchelstown
Midleton 6 33 Cobh Pirates
Section 4
Carrigaline 12 12 Old Christians

West Munster Under 17 League
Tralee 25 0 Castleisland

East Under 17 League Section B
Clonmel 73 5 Waterford City
Dungarvan 59 7 Galbally
Fethard 22 19 Clanwilliam

East Under 15 League North
Nenagh Ormond 12 5 Thurles

East Under 13 League North
Cashel 7 15 Thurles

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

Munster beat connacht in their final interpro in the sportsground today 15-12. Leinster beat Ulster to win the interpro title

Leinster Under-18 (Club) side win Interpro' title...
8 October 2011, 2:45 pm
By Editor


Leinster Rugby

The Leinster Under-18 (Club) side, sponsored by Nivea for Men, came from behind to seal the interprovincial title by defeating Ulster 15-12 in Campbell College, Belfast on Saturday afternoon...


Ross Hynes got the visitors off to a dream start when he touched down for the opening try after just 2 minutes and the conversion was slotted home by Fergal Cleary to give Leinster a 7-0 lead.

The game see-sawed but Ulster eventually regained the initiative through Ryan Cobb who scored his side’s opening points after 32 minutes though Cleary extended the lead to five points with a penalty moments later.

However, though Graeme Currie missed the opening conversion, he made amends with a strike on the stroke of half-time after Adam Doherty’s try to give the hosts a 12-10 half time lead.

With dry conditions greeting the Leinster side for the first time in this series they produced some fine individual performances not least from Enniscorthy wing James White who beat three tackles to race clear for his side’s second try of the game.

Leinster withstood some late Ulster pressure to hold on and deservedly clinch the title after previous wins over Munster and Connacht. LEINSTER UNDER-18 (CLUB):
15: Stephen Duke (Gorey)
14: Eoghan Feane (Portlaoise) / Niall Campbell (De la Salle Palmerston) 33
13: Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
12: James Doyle (Greystones)
11: James White (Enniscorthy)
10: Fergal Cleary (Navan)
9: Ross Hynes (Arklow) / Peter Connolly (Edenderry) 33
1: Peter Dooley (Birr) CAPTAIN
2: Cian Byrne (Tullamore) / Shane Byrne (Wicklow) 59
3: Brian Cunningham (Navan) / Stephen Gardiner (Gorey) 40
4: Josh O'Rourke (De la Salle Palmerston)
5: Leon Martin (Tullamore) / Diarmaid Hickey (Kilkenny) 56
6: Eddie Earle (Gorey)
7: Stephen Keelan (Navan)
8: Killian Sweeney (Malahide) / Shane Mulvany (Greystones) 60

REPLACEMENT NOT USED: Eoghan Carron (Skerries)

Coach: Eric Miller
Assistant Coach: Dan van Zyl
Manager: Patrick Keena
Conditioning Coaches: Eugene McEntagart, Colin O'Hare
Kit Man: Noel Ferguson
Physio: Ian McGovern
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/8599.php

rugby_fan

ormond lad wrote: »

Leinster Under-18 (Club) side win Interpro' title...
8 October 2011, 2:45 pm
By Editor


Leinster Rugby

The Leinster Under-18 (Club) side, sponsored by Nivea for Men, came from behind to seal the interprovincial title by defeating Ulster 15-12 in Campbell College, Belfast on Saturday afternoon...


Ross Hynes got the visitors off to a dream start when he touched down for the opening try after just 2 minutes and the conversion was slotted home by Fergal Cleary to give Leinster a 7-0 lead.

The game see-sawed but Ulster eventually regained the initiative through Ryan Cobb who scored his side’s opening points after 32 minutes though Cleary extended the lead to five points with a penalty moments later.

However, though Graeme Currie missed the opening conversion, he made amends with a strike on the stroke of half-time after Adam Doherty’s try to give the hosts a 12-10 half time lead.

With dry conditions greeting the Leinster side for the first time in this series they produced some fine individual performances not least from Enniscorthy wing James White who beat three tackles to race clear for his side’s second try of the game.

Leinster withstood some late Ulster pressure to hold on and deservedly clinch the title after previous wins over Munster and Connacht. LEINSTER UNDER-18 (CLUB):
15: Stephen Duke (Gorey)
14: Eoghan Feane (Portlaoise) / Niall Campbell (De la Salle Palmerston) 33
13: Sean Moran (Kilkenny)
12: James Doyle (Greystones)
11: James White (Enniscorthy)
10: Fergal Cleary (Navan)
9: Ross Hynes (Arklow) / Peter Connolly (Edenderry) 33
1: Peter Dooley (Birr) CAPTAIN
2: Cian Byrne (Tullamore) / Shane Byrne (Wicklow) 59
3: Brian Cunningham (Navan) / Stephen Gardiner (Gorey) 40
4: Josh O'Rourke (De la Salle Palmerston)
5: Leon Martin (Tullamore) / Diarmaid Hickey (Kilkenny) 56
6: Eddie Earle (Gorey)
7: Stephen Keelan (Navan)
8: Killian Sweeney (Malahide) / Shane Mulvany (Greystones) 60

REPLACEMENT NOT USED: Eoghan Carron (Skerries)

Coach: Eric Miller
Assistant Coach: Dan van Zyl
Manager: Patrick Keena
Conditioning Coaches: Eugene McEntagart, Colin O'Hare
Kit Man: Noel Ferguson
Physio: Ian McGovern
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/8599.php

Congrats to Leinster, looks like der still very dominant underage, anyone at the match!?

skip64

Not sure if that is a correct statement.. Leinster/Munster on a $h11ty day was not a true reflection. Note - Munster bet Ulster 13-0. took some time to combat the Connacht pack last week. It was a good performance by Munster...as Connacht were up fo the game. Am sure they wanted to win this one.. to be honest there is not much between the sides. Like any underage...it about on the day... At this underage lark to long to understand how they work...

ormond lad

Any updates on how other provincial leagues are going at 17s/19s?
In munster the 19s league in east munster was due to start on sunday but some clubs were not able to field for the scheduled start of the league so the start of the league has been pushed back a few weeks to allow more clubs be ready.
afaik only 2 or 3 clubs would have been ready for this weekend, with the delay of a few weeks another 4 or 5 teams will be ready

ormond lad

ormond lad wrote: »

Any updates on how other provincial leagues are going at 17s/19s?
In munster the 19s league in east munster was due to start on sunday but some clubs were not able to field for the scheduled start of the league so the start of the league has been pushed back a few weeks to allow more clubs be ready.
afaik only 2 or 3 clubs would have been ready for this weekend, with the delay of a few weeks another 4 or 5 teams will be ready

North Munster u19 League
Section 1- Garryowen, Young Munster, NCW/Abbeyfeale, Old Crescent, Bruff
Section 2- Shannon/St.Mary's, UlBohs/Richmond, Thomond, St.Senan's, Ennis
League starts Sunday 23rd with league final scheduled for 4th Dec

North Munster u17 league
why such lopsided groups in terms of numbers??
Group A
Thomond
Bruff
Young Munster
Ennis

Group B
Shannon
Garryowen
Richmond
Ballina-Killaloe
Kilrush
Old Crescent
Estuary
UL Bohemian

u19 Premier North
Navan
Barnhall
Portlaoise-Portarlington
Dundalk
Boyne
Naas
R&B Rebels
Tullamore

u19 Premier South
Enniscorthy
Gorey
Wicklow
Carlow
Kilkenny
New Ross
Clondalkin

u19 Division 1 North
Balbriggan
Midland Warriors
West Offaly
North Meath
Longford
Ratoath
Athboy

u19 Division 1 South
Arklow
Cill Dara
Athy
Edenderry
Clane
Wexford
Tullow

u19 School/Youth League
Greystones
Wanderers
Terenure
DLSP
Malahide
Seapoint
Guinness

u17 Premier North
Barnhall
Mullingar A
Dundalk
Ardee
Boyne A
Naas A
Navan
Tullamore

u17 Premier South
Kilkenny
Carlow
Gorey A
Enniscorthy
Athy
New Ross
Wexford A
Wicklow

u17 Division 1 North
Clondalkin
North Meath
Boyne B
Balbriggan
Ashbourne
Ratoath
Birr
Longford

u17 Division 1 South
North Kildare A
Tullow
Portlaoise
Edenderry
Cill Dara
Roscrea
Portarlington

u17 Division 2
Wexford B
Athboy
Gorey B
Clane
Arklow
Mullingar B
Naas B
North Kildare B



U17 School/Youth League Section A
Lansdowne 1
Wanderers
Newbridge
DLSP
Naas A
Guinness
Greystones
Blackrock
Clontarf


u17 School/Youth League Section B
Skerries
Coolmine
Suttonians
Malahide
Seapoint
Lansdowne 2
St Marys
Navan

ormond lad

Leagues started in leinster today
games were played in premier u19 division with no games in division 1 north and one played in division 1 south
Games were also played at u17 level in Leinster with most of the games scheduled for munster to be played tommorow

u19 Premier North
Barnhall 14 6 Tullamore
Portlaoise-Portarlington 22 32 Naas
R&B Rebels 11 6 Dundalk
Navan 13 19 Boyne

u19 Premier South
Enniscorthy 7 0 Gorey
Carlow 38 0 New Ross
Kilkenny 5 34 Wicklow

u19 Division 1 South
Wexford 33 14 Cill Dara

u17 Premier North
Barnhall 17 24 Tullamore
Mullingar A 36 3 Naas A
Ardee 8 45 Dundalk
Navan 24 0 Boyne A

u17 Premier South
Wexford A 37 0 Athy
Carlow 31 0 New Ross
Kilkenny 8 15 Wicklow

u17 Division 1 North
Ashbourne 39 19 Birr
Ratoath 14 20 North Meath
Longford 24 0 Clondalkin

u17 Division 1 South
Roscrea 27 5 Edenderry
Portlaoise 10 13 Cill Dara
North Kildare A Tullow

u17 Division 2
North Kildare B 3 36 Mullingar B
Athboy Arklow
Naas B 44 7 Gorey B

Wexford 33 14Cill Dara

Dave Joyce

Any updates on how other provincial leagues are going at 17s/19s?

Can only give you a club update and I wouldn't even bother checking the Connacht branch site cause its only updated bi-annually:rolleyes:

The 17's league has started alright and can't remember who couldn't field today against Corinthians (my lads play 19's and 16's). There has been two kinda 19's blitz's and they are not even sure if there will be a 19's league at the moment.

muscleshirt

how many munster youths i wonder will get a call up for the virish trials???

ormond lad

muscleshirt wrote: »

how many munster youths i wonder will get a call up for the virish trials???

You can imagine more than previous years, the only players i know at the moment that will be going to the irish trials are 3 of the buccaneers players who were in the connacht squad (seen this on twitter)