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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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  • #52
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    Ciks wrote: »
    I completely agree GargleBlaster.
    This article was in the times last year http://www.womenlobby.org/spip.php?article344

    The clear lack of respect that this clients have for the women and the extent to which they dehumanize them, is illustrated perfectly in this 'review' left for a woman on one of these escort sites:



    "thing", "it". It sickens me...

    To be honest i've often heard lads refer to women in general like that so it isnt something limited to prostitutes. Some guys are just assholes when it comes to women.


  • #53
    Ciks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Ciks


    True. I would never tar all guys with the same stick, most are decent and respectful of women (although I am alarmed by the attitudes of the majority of people on this thread!)


  • #54
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    At the moment it's hell for many of these women (slaves) because the act of paying for sex is outlawed pushing it underground. Much like outlawing drugs which hasn't worked outlawing prostitution hasn't worked either. How many documentaries do we need to see of these women/men tricked into believing they would have a new job and life elsewhere only to arrive and have their passports taken away, drugged up and used as sex slaves.

    If it were legal then at least the women could pick and choose who they slept with and be provided with proper protection. It may not be a perfect solution but it would be better than the current setup.


  • #55
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    of course I'd .. - of course I care. It means he's hopeless with em in the social arena and is likely harassing them and racking up rejections - my one true friend is not to be gone out with. sucks.

    on the other hand, my other junkie ex-pal was quite the lothario and ended up functioning as an actual pimp, before I told him he's all that's wrong with this city and to go develop asbergers, or something


  • #56
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    stimpson wrote: »
    No problem with hookers, but I'd draw the line at a Ford.
    Escort so 80s


  • #57
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    2 stroke wrote: »
    Of course I'd care, wouldn't want to have sex with anyone he'd been with.
    Sloppy seconds


  • #58
    lagente
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭lagente


    Prostitution is nearly always seedy.
    If you have sex with someone YOU DON'T KNOW, . . . .well you do know sex can lead to new kids . . . . .right?


  • #59
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,398 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    discus wrote: »
    God, I didn't see that opinion arriving from the blatently salt-of-the-earth AnneElizabeth!

    There's guys who never marry. It's not their fault, or their wish. They're lonely, they're sad and probably a bit angry at the world. Why should we deprive them the chance to have sex, with a woman who's more than happy to take his cash?*

    * this person isn't discus by the way, I'm angry at myself in life more than anything :mad:

    I think I speak for all men on this thread when I say I really wanted to thank your post but I didn't in case people thought I was lonely, sad, horny and a little angry at the world. Bravo sir, bravo.

    Edit: Ah Dammit....


  • #60
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I think I speak for all men on this thread when I say I really wanted to thank your post but I didn't in case people thought I was lonely, sad, horny and a little angry at the world. Bravo sir, bravo.

    Edit: Ah Dammit....

    I thanked it just now. Join me!


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  • #61
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,398 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    I thanked it just now. Join me!

    Viva la revolution!


  • #62
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    I'd have a problem with it to be honest. The women are most likely sex slaves Eastern European or African. Passports taken away and sold from one scumbag to the next.

    TBH while this is a serious problem the extent to which it happens is somewhat overblown by the media and certain outfits with agendas of their own.

    gargleblaster wrote: »
    The problem is that where buying sex is legal, demand for it goes up. And since many men like to refuse to wear condoms, ask prostitutes to do horrible dehumanizing things that they wouldn't normally ask of someone they cared for.
    Where prostitution is (fully) legal a sex worker can turn down clients or refuse to perform whatever services she chooses.
    gargleblaster wrote: »
    and buy sex from underage people
    Where prostitution is legal underage sex is still still illegal so the point is irrelevant.

    gargleblaster wrote: »
    that includes rising demand for buying sex illegally
    Legal to buy sex = rising demand for buying sex illegally -WTF ?
    gargleblaster wrote: »
    It enables some people to think of other people as things (e.g. body parts such as a "gash"), and not people.
    :rolleyes:


  • #63
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    If one of my mates spent 100 quid on a hooker i'd give him a fistpump. If he spent 100 quid on his missus i'd give him abuse.


  • #64
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If one of my mates spent 100 quid on a hooker i'd give him a fistpump. If he spent 100 quid on his missus i'd give him abuse.

    At least if you drop 100e on the hooker your guaranteed the ride.


  • #65
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭alex73


    The Question men need to ask on Prostitution.

    I see a lot of posts (i presume men) sayings its fine to use a prostitute. Consenting adults..

    Questions you need to ask:-

    1. If you had a daughter would you be fine with her being a prostitute? (most men say no to that one)

    2. If the prostitute is not Irish, who paid for her to come to Ireland? Is the money going to her Pimp.


  • #66
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Yes I would care. Only sad losers use prostitutes and I hope I don't hang around with sad losers.


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  • #67
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    alex73 wrote: »
    The Question men need to ask on Prostitution.

    I see a lot of posts (i presume men) sayings its fine to use a prostitute. Consenting adults..

    Questions you need to ask:-

    1. If you had a daughter would you be fine with her being a prostitute? (most men say no to that one)

    2. If the prostitute is not Irish, who paid for her to come to Ireland? Is the money going to her Pimp.

    1. I dont think any father is comfortable with the idea of their daughter having sex anyway. Their daughter could be a slut and they'd still feel just as bad if they found that out. Ultimately it's still the womans choice to how she lives her life regardless what her father thinks.

    2. Is it not possible she could come here on her own dime?


  • #68
    PK2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Women of Ireland, you have the power to stop prostitution...... by putting out a bit more


  • #69
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    biko wrote: »
    Yes I would care. Only sad losers use prostitutes and I hope I don't hang around with sad losers.

    Now that's not an entirely fair statement.

    I have friends who are incredibly nice people, one in particular is possibly the nicest person you could ever wish to meet. Unfortunately he's so freaking shy no girls have ever really thought of him as anything more than a friend, he's also not the best looking guy in the world.
    He is however well educated, hard working and very very successful. He's now 27 and has never had a serious girlfriend, but has used prostitutes in the past for a bit of, lets say physical relief. And there is no harm in that.

    Imo Prostitution should be legalized, made into a proper business model much like many other parts of the world. It would greatly lower the cases of abuse, assault and rape on prostitutes, essentially remove the power many Pimps have as well as generate extra tax for the country.
    Health systems could be put in place to ensure protection is used, and the women do not have to perform acts they do not want to.


  • #70
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    alex73 wrote: »
    If the prostitute is not Irish, who paid for her to come to Ireland.

    Presumably she (or he) came to Ireland the same way any other migrant worker does ?
    biko wrote: »
    Only sad losers use prostitutes
    Judgemental much ?
    biko wrote: »
    and I hope I don't hang around with sad losers.
    Thing is you probably do.


  • #71
    Dangerous Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Ciks wrote: »
    True. I would never tar all guys with the same stick, most are decent and respectful of women (although I am alarmed by the attitudes of the majority of people on this thread!)

    I'm alarmed by your attitude.


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  • #72
    Ciks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Ciks


    Pray tell why dangerous man...


  • #73
    Alessandra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    It may be irrational to some, but my opinion of person in question would go down.


  • #74
    Dangerous Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Ciks wrote: »
    Pray tell why dangerous man...

    Because there is very little wrong with the attitudes expressed in this thread so far. It's been a combination of jokes with some 'live-and-let-live' ideology thrown in. Nothing to be alarmed about, frankly.


  • #75
    Sanity_Saviour
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭Sanity_Saviour


    Depends how hot she is


  • #76
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prostitutes
    Nicholas Wet Hoagie wrote: »
    So if an friend approached and told you they regularly used them,would you care?,would you past judgement on them?.


    :D Depends if they were been charged less or more than me :D


  • #77
    Ciks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Ciks


    I dunno, I guess I just find it difficult to joke about the sex trade, having done research on it in the past and knowing the misconceptions that still exist.
    (Brooke Magnanti and Xaveira Hollander have a lot to answer for!)
    Still, this being AH I know I probably shouldn't take most of the responses posted seriously.


  • #78
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Has anyone here actually had any sort of interaction with prostitutes? Many years ago, I lived in the red light district in the U.K, and got to know a fair few of them. Some were self-employed, some paid for protection which they got. That's basically what a pimp is, the guy who will knee-cap you if you mess with the chick. Some are scumbags, definitely, but that's people in general, some good, some assholes. A lot of the girls worked to pay for University, and the amount of violence was tiny. Sweeping statements with what appears to be zero first hand knowledge abounds in this here thread.


  • #79
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Ciks wrote: »
    I dunno, I guess I just find it difficult to joke about the sex trade, having done research on it in the past and knowing the misconceptions that still exist.
    (Brooke Magnanti and Xaveira Hollander have a lot to answer for!)
    Still, this being AH I know I probably shouldn't take most of the responses posted seriously.
    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    Has anyone here actually had any sort of interaction with prostitutes? Many years ago, I lived in the red light district in the U.K, and got to know a fair few of them. Some were self-employed, some paid for protection which they got. That's basically what a pimp is, the guy who will knee-cap you if you mess with the chick. Some are scumbags, definitely, but that's people in general, some good, some assholes. A lot of the girls worked to pay for University, and the amount of violence was tiny. Sweeping statements with what appears to be zero first hand knowledge abounds in this here thread.


    Bit of a difference there people.


  • #80
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    realies wrote: »
    Bit of a difference there people.

    I'm not saying every situation is the same, that would be stupid. The thing is, working girls have set up their own business model, the problems that are there exist because it's not regulated, and it should be.


  • #81
    7sr2z3fely84g5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    I'm not saying every situation is the same, that would be stupid. The thing is, working girls have set up their own business model, the problems that are there exist because it's not regulated, and it should be.
    We still backwards in that sense,no one in the political world would discuss it due to the backlash from the women's council,even in general its still viewed as a seedy business but its common occurrence abroad and yet this scaremongering view if it was legalised society would fall in on itself.

    The view comes that if someone using these services is funding crime which one regard is true,but if the service was probably regulated like in holland/germany/australia it might cut down on spread of stds/violence/and produce some revenue for this country.

    We are quiet reluctant to tax these things but have no problem taxing cigs+alcohols quiet heavily despite the warnings that its bad for your health.


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  • #82
    Ciks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Ciks


    I do agree that legalizing and regulating would possibly make a better system than what there is now. Some way for the people being used to have support and to ensure that they get proper medical checkups every so often.

    On the other hand I doubt this would stop trafficking as traffickers could easily undercut the prices charged by the 'legal' girls, though criminalizing clients who use these prostitutes would maybe help there.

    I just don't like to see the abuse of anyone, but when money is involved it is very difficult to stop people being used.


  • #83
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Ciks wrote: »
    True. I would never tar all guys with the same stick, most are decent and respectful of women (although I am alarmed by the attitudes of the majority of people on this thread!)

    I agree, its pathetic. I think it goes for most threads on this forum though... Some of the guys on here really do portray themselves as mindless perverts and they dont seem to care either... :confused:


  • #84
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Nicholas Wet Hoagie wrote: »

    We are quiet reluctant to tax these things but have no problem taxing cigs+alcohols quiet heavily despite the warnings that its bad for your health.

    There is a difference...
    If you choose to smoke or drink too much you are only putting yourself at risk, or abusing your own body.
    Prostitution requires 2 people to be involved, so youre not just potentially harming yourself.

    Do you not think that over time a lot of these girls suffer emotionally / mentally because of what they are used for?
    Of course they do, unless they already have personality disorders.
    They are human after all.


  • #85
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    I agree, its pathetic. I think it goes for most threads on this forum though... Some of the guys on here really do portray themselves as mindless perverts and they don't seem to care either... :confused:



    This is after hours & no one cares :p More serious topics eleswhere ;)


    Ps some of them guys are actually girls :D


  • #86
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    I agree, its pathetic. I think it goes for most threads on this forum though... Some of the guys on here really do portray themselves as mindless perverts and they dont seem to care either... :confused:

    Quite a few of the posters who agree with legalizing Prostitution here are female.


  • #87
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    Tbh if a friend told me they used prostitute I'd be thinking ....DESPERADO..If you have to pay for sex you are quite sad Imo.


  • #88
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    If you have to pay for sex the last thing you need is derision, you thoughtless fuckwits.


  • #89
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    If you have to pay for sex the last thing you need is derision, you thoughtless fuckwits.

    Has someone hit a nerve?:D:p


  • #90
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Yes. Never bought the time of a hooker, but I can understand why people would, from the brief illusion that someone wants to spend their time with you to something as simple as practice at the sexing. What I find sad is that so many people are unable to see beyond their own narrow circumstance and allow themselves the luxury of empathy.


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  • #91
    Sungodbr
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭Sungodbr


    tan11ie wrote: »
    Has someone hit a nerve?:D:p

    we all pay regardless, whether its money or tears....you choose, I have almost arrived at my decision:D


  • #92
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    I'd care about as much as if someone told me they employed the services of masseurs or gardeners or hairdressers.


  • #93
    Sungodbr
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭Sungodbr


    tan11ie wrote: »
    Tbh if a friend told me they used prostitute I'd be thinking ....DESPERADO..If you have to pay for sex you are quite sad Imo.

    people pay for counselling and pro's are like physical counselors, there is actually very little difference, one physical one non physical, get with it!!


  • #94
    Downlinz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I know several who do. Of course I wouldn't care.


  • #95
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    biko wrote: »
    Yes I would care. Only sad losers use prostitutes and I hope I don't hang around with sad losers.

    tbh id consider the lads who throw all their money at a bird over the space of a few dates to get the ride even sadder . A lot of people here have paid for prostitues and dont even realise , dinner, shoes, cinema tickets, drinks, flowers . paying by those or paying by cash is just as sad.


  • #96
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Unfortunately he's so freaking shy no girls have ever really thought of him as anything more than a friend, he's also not the best looking guy in the world.
    He is however well educated, hard working and very very successful. He's now 27 and has never had a serious girlfriend, but has used prostitutes in the past for a bit of, lets say physical relief.

    Nothing to do with being shy / unattractive. Its got to do with the fact that he has no respect for women. Sees them as a peace of meat to "get some relief". No wonder he has never had a serious girlfriend.


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  • #97
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I'd easily pay for one. I'm well aware of my own attractivness and problems and if I get to sex up a beautiful girl whose well out of my leauge, so be it :P


  • #98
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    It's there choice, if anything I'd just feel sorry for anyone who reaches that level of desperation.
    Knowing someone's only with you because you're paying them to be must be incredibly depressing.


  • #99
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    It's there choice, if anything I'd just feel sorry for anyone who reaches that level of desperation.
    Knowing someone's only with you because you're paying them to be must be incredibly depressing.

    I remember when I did some psychology classes back in Uni they said all relationships are balances of pros and cons, and rewards and payments; you form relationships based on how much you're willing to pay out and how much you get in return.

    Prostitution doesn't have to be about "saddos" who are desperate; it can just as easily be about getting sex quickly. No harm there, provided its consensual. You want something, the other person has it and has set a price based on what its worth.

    We've bred a generation where you're looked down on if you've not slept with multiple partners by a relativly young age, but also where, for some reason, people are looked down on for actually trying to achieve this social aim.


  • #100
    Sungodbr
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭Sungodbr


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    peace

    piece


  • #101
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    It would not bother me .


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