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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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    #152
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    If she is willing to have sex with men for money then yes, I would.
    Collecting rubbish as a job is not demeaning or selling yourself short. :confused:
    Massive difference there



    Whats your opinion on male escorts & prostitutes that many women use ?


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    #153
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    If she is willing to have sex with men for money then yes, I would.
    Collecting rubbish as a job is not demeaning or selling yourself short. :confused:
    Massive difference there

    I was listening to Newstalk and Sean Moncrieff t'other day and this woman was flogging her book.

    http://books.usatoday.com/book/catherine-hakim-erotic-capital-the-power-of-attraction-in-the-boardroom-and-the-bedroom/r545665


    Basically its capital, what ever way you use it. It is an asset. Many genuine, self-appointed escorts use their 'assets' to gain the money they need to do other things. Some do it cause they can and want to. I have no problem with them making a life/career choice that does not infringe on other peoples rights or freedoms and I don't believe you should either but I think that is as close to 'eye to eye' as we'll ever see on the issue.

    And I should add, as it's the topic of the thread, that I equally find apathy towards the men that chose to visit these escorts.


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    #154
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    If she is willing to have sex with men for money then yes, I would.
    Collecting rubbish as a job is not demeaning or selling yourself short. :confused:
    Massive difference there

    Who are you to decide what a person finds demeaning and what they don't? I'm sure there are hundreds of men/women out there who would find doing a forty hour week cleaning toilets for €300 far more demeaning, than engaging in a few sexual acts for 3-4 hours for twice or three times the money.


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    #155
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Nulty wrote: »
    Oh, look! Another well formulated parameter has just passed you by!

    ASSUME that my best friend, whom I have known all my life and consequently theirs too, decides she wants to become an escort. Do you think any less of her than you would my other best friend who lives in a council flat down the way and has no other option than to apply for a job collecting my rubbish on Monday mornings? Both are potentially perceived to be demeaning jobs but one person CHOSE their profession and the other was OBLIGED to enter theirs.

    There is nothing wrong with collecting rubbish...the problem is not the prostitute, the problem is the person who uses them, if there was no demand there would be no prostitutes.
    This is why the user should be targetted.


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    #156
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Min wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with collecting rubbish...the problem is not the prostitute, the problem is the person who uses them, if there was no demand there would be no prostitutes.
    This is why the user should be targetted.

    So someone should be targeted for wanting a ride.


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    #157
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    AskMyChocolate wrote: »
    Who are you to decide what a person finds demeaning and what they don't? I'm sure there are hundreds of men/women out there who would find doing a forty hour week cleaning toilets for €300 far more demeaning, than engaging in a few sexual acts for 3-4 hours for twice or three times the money.

    In fairness to the quoted poster she can only say what she would find demeaning and thats all I asked of her. If she would be happier cleaning toilets for e300 a week than selling her body (a tool given to you by God, the big bang or what ever fantasy deity you might believe in) for 5+ times that amount then shes entitled to that opinion. The line is crossed when she demands that her opinions be imposed upon other honest, hardworking, happy, privilaged prostitutes who enjoy gainful employment from the assets with which they have been bestowed.


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    #158
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    charlemont wrote: »
    So someone should be targeted for wanting a ride.

    It is what they do in Sweden. The user is the problem, if you need a prostitute to have sex then that's pretty sad.


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    #159
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Min wrote: »
    It is what they do in Sweden. The user is the problem, if you need a prostitute to have sex then that's pretty sad.

    Need is not the issue here. I don't need a Big Mac. I choose a Big Mac because I want one. See the difference?


    The butt of the issue here then is the difference between those who indulge in prostitution as a luxury item and those, like one poster mentioned above, invalids and para/quadrapeligics who require the services of a prostitute. Are parapalegics sad and pathetic just because they need a prostitute? Or are they unfortunate like a short guy/girl who needs a step ladder to reach the top shelf?


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    #160
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    realies wrote: »
    Whats your opinion on male escorts & prostitutes that many women use ?

    The exact same! I think its degrading.


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    #161
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    No.


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    #162
    7sr2z3fely84g5
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    Min wrote: »
    if you need a prostitute to have sex then that's pretty sad.
    Australian approach-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_wuaU6PELg


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    #163
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProstitution_in_Europe&ei=uK9iTti-J9CGhQeM_ZmXCg&usg=AFQjCNGq9mCkZtCroP1uGJ3ubyeDtFjTEg



    Intresting reading.

    Prostitution in the Republic of Ireland

    Prostitution itself is not illegal in the Republic of Ireland, but the law criminalises many activities associated with it (solicitation in a public place, operating a brothel or other forms of pimping). However, female escort prostitution is widespread. Swedish type criminalizing legislation of the sex customer is being considered.[44]


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    #164
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    Which is why if it was legalised, you'd be able to check if it was a "registered" service provider or not.

    Not true, in Amsterdam organised crime is involved and they managed to register trafficked women and have them on display in the red light district as if they were legit.


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    #165
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    AskMyChocolate wrote: »
    Who are you to decide what a person finds demeaning and what they don't? I'm sure there are hundreds of men/women out there who would find doing a forty hour week cleaning toilets for €300 far more demeaning, than engaging in a few sexual acts for 3-4 hours for twice or three times the money.

    Well I dont.

    I was answering the previous question from my opinion.
    That is my answer, from my viewpoint only.


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    #166
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Min wrote: »
    Not true, in Amsterdam organised crime is involved and they managed to register trafficked women and have them on display in the red light district as if they were legit.

    A lot fewer I'd guess. That's the authorities problem, they're not doing a good enough job then are they? The theory is sound though, you can't argue that.

    Fcuk, a moth just flew in through the window...


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    #167
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    Min wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with collecting rubbish...the problem is not the prostitute, the problem is the person who uses them, if there was no demand there would be no prostitutes.
    This is why the user should be targetted.

    So, what you are saying, is that, if I come to an arrangement to provide services to a businesswoman, a widow, a disabled woman and earn €150 p/h for providing this service, and hopefully giving someone some pleasure I should find this demeaning, but if I am forced to clean your toilet for €8 p/h, because you're above doing it yourself, and live like a slave, I shouldn't find this demeaning in the slightest.

    You also think these women should be targetted.

    You have a strange value system. But, then again, I suppose what is one to expect from someone who deplores human trafficing but steadfastly defends the hierarchy that ran the Magdalene laundries and the industrial schools.


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    #168
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Nulty wrote: »
    Need is not the issue here. I don't need a Big Mac. I choose a Big Mac because I want one. See the difference?


    The butt of the issue here then is the difference between those who indulge in prostitution as a luxury item and those, like one poster mentioned above, invalids and para/quadrapeligics who require the services of a prostitute.

    Im not going to enter the argument of what suffices as a "need" to use a prostitute or not, but anyway...

    Choosing a BigMac is NOT remotely the same as choosing to pay a woman for sex. You can go get yourself a burger without needing someone else to help you eat it.
    And as for people using prostitutes as a luxury- can you not see how this idea in itself just de-humanises the prostitutes?
    There's a difference between being human and being an animal.
    Using someone elses body for self gratification with no consideration to their feelings on / during the act is animalistic IMO.


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    #169
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    So we fuck animals, instead? You sicken me.


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    #170
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Ok, so we're all right then


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    #171
    [Deleted User]
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    Would I care if my friend used escorts/prostitutes? Yes.

    Would I judge the act of using escorts/prostitutes as wrong? Yes.

    Would I judge my friend? No.


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    #172
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    Nulty wrote: »
    In fairness to the quoted poster she can only say what she would find demeaning and thats all I asked of her. If she would be happier cleaning toilets for e300 a week than selling her body (a tool given to you by God, the big bang or what ever fantasy deity you might believe in) for 5+ times that amount then shes entitled to that opinion. The line is crossed when she demands that her opinions be imposed upon other honest, hardworking, happy, privilaged prostitutes who enjoy gainful employment from the assets with which they have been bestowed.

    Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. But that is all I said in my post. I just said she had no right to inflict her value system upon others or to decide what is demeaning, or wholesome/worthy, as this must always be subjective.


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    #173
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Im not going to enter the argument of what suffices as a "need" to use a prostitute or not, but anyway...

    Choosing a BigMac is NOT remotely the same as choosing to pay a woman for sex. You can go get yourself a burger without needing someone else to help you eat it.
    And as for people using prostitutes as a luxury- can you not see how this idea in itself just de-humanises the prostitutes?
    There's a difference between being human and being an animal.
    Using someone elses body for self gratification with no consideration to their feelings on / during the act is animalistic IMO.

    I cannot make a big mac at 4am on O'Connell street.

    It doesn't de-humanise anyone. That's a mad thing to say. Its a rational adult capitalising on their assets. Its an economic decision based on economic circumstances supported by the freedoms of personal choice. What de-humanises prostitutes is people like you calling them animals.

    Rationale....that is certainly not something associated with animals.


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    #174
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Here's another question:

    Would you date / marry a former prostitute? Or one that is still working?

    If i loved her enough maybe. No different to dating any women who has had a lot of previous partners.

    If she was currently working then no but i wouldnt date any woman that was currently sleeping with other men either.


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    #175
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    AskMyChocolate wrote: »
    So, what you are saying, is that, if I come to an arrangement to provide services to a businesswoman, a widow, a disabled woman and earn €150 p/h for providing this service, and hopefully giving someone some pleasure I should find this demeaning, but if I am forced to clean your toilet for €8 p/h, because you're above doing it yourself, and live like a slave, I shouldn't find this demeaning in the slightest.

    As human beings, the act of having sex is far more intimate and involves a lot more in the line of laying yourself bare (excuse the pun) then the act of cleaning a toilet :confused:

    How is this beyond you?
    Sex is an intimate act, cleaning is not!
    Respect your body!


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    #176
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Using someone elses body for self gratification with no consideration to their feelings on / during the act is animalistic IMO.

    People who have one night stands are basically doing this as well. Would you criticise them too.


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    #177
    Ditch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Bitter vitriol .....

    Mickeroo wrote: »
    You're clearly superior to every other female poster on here, well done on that.

    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Thanks, what a nice thing to say :)

    Every other female poster though, dont you think thats going a bit too far?


    :eek:
    http://youtu.be/kTB8l8aNOi4?t=23s


    :rolleyes:


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    #178
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    AskMyChocolate wrote: »
    Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. But that is all I said in my post. I just said she had no right to inflict her value system upon others or to decide what is demeaning, or wholesome/worthy, as this must always be subjective.

    See my last response to this. I am fully aware that it is just my own opinion, given from my viewpoint only.


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    #179
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    As human beings, the act of having sex is far more intimate and involves a lot more in the line of laying yourself bare (excuse the pun) then the act of cleaning a toilet :confused:

    How is this beyond you?
    Sex is an intimate act, cleaning is not!
    Respect your body!

    Sex is only as intimate as the people doing it want it to be. It can be meaningless and just for pleasure like with a one-night stand or it can be intimate and loving when its a couple.

    You're views of sex seems a bit immature and naive.


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    #180
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    If i loved her enough maybe. No different to dating any women who has had a lot of previous partners.

    If she was currently working then no but i wouldnt date any woman that was currently sleeping with other men either.

    There is a difference there between someone sleeping with a "partner" and someone sleeping with random strangers for money!!! BIG difference. So yes it is different.

    And why wouldnt you date a girl that was sleeping with other guys?
    Honestly think about it. If sex is just a transaction that means so little that people pay / accept money for it, then why would it matter to you?
    Would it in that case not be like having a girlfriend that "chose" to go to MacDonalds for a BigMac every now and then? :D

    (sorry but I had to put that one in... how ridiculous!)


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    #181
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Plus, as above, every prostitute you or anyone else uses is sleeping with other men, so why is it acceptable in that regard? :confused:


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