Race hate gang in Temple Bar orgy of violence [mod note #1]

Son Of A Vidic · 08-07-2011 03:35PM

Could you imagine if a gang of Irish lads carried out a similar wave of violence in Lagos. I'd say the families wouldn't even have bodies to bury, after Nigerian justice was finished with them.

CreepingDeath · 08-07-2011 03:36PM

tbh wrote: »

what the hell are you talking about? "Africa" is far from civilised?! Do you know how big Africa is?

And the asylum seekers are claiming to be escaping from the worse parts of it, with their lives in danger. So they're either lying (see Pamela whatsherface thread) or we're allowing psychologically damaged individuals bought up in a culture of violence in.

RichieC wrote: »

there's good reasons to be racist?

Yes, for personal safety.
Once bitten, twice shy.

RichieC wrote: »

it is illegal to discriminate on the grounds of age, sex, race, disability and sexual orientation in Ireland.

This is Ireland.
People are hired by who they know as much as what they know.
Or do you believe that writing a few lines into legislation makes social problems disappear ?

dlofnep · 08-07-2011 03:36PM

amacachi wrote: »

So someone comes here at one day old and they don't have the same rights as if they'd been born here?

They do have the same rights. I'm not referring to someone who has grown up in Ireland. I am referring to someone who has recently come to Ireland and has spat in the face of their hosts. I guess I should have stated resident, rather than citizen.

If someone has spent the majority of their life in Ireland, then I would view them as a naturalised citizen - and should be treated the same as anyone else. If someone has recently come to Ireland, and has gone to the lengths of joining a gang who's goal is to assault the local population - then they should be deported.

Dudess · 08-07-2011 03:37PM

It's believed it was a racially motivated attack, but why is that I wonder? The fact that the victims are white doesn't necessarily mean that. To me it seems it was simply due to the attackers being thugs looking to vent. I remember an assault on a black woman in Cork which was deemed a racist attack, but going by the details, it seems like she would have been attacked if she were white too - it was a case of vicious thugs, wrong place, wrong time.

Morlar · 08-07-2011 03:39PM

strobe wrote: »

Drop me a PM if this ever becomes government policy please. Flights are expensive and there is a chap living down the road from me that could do with a box on the chops.

In all seriousness, if you are an immigrant to this country, or are here on 'humanitarian grounds' or awaiting a refugee appeal decision, and were a violent criminal - I would have no problem with that.

Regardless of colour, religion, height, sexual preference .. anything.

Likewise Irish who emigrate to Australia or the USA should be deported if they turn to violent crime. I'd perfectly understand and accept that also.

RichieC · 08-07-2011 03:39PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Yes, for personal safety.
Once bitten, twice shy.

I was mugged by an Irish guy, should I hate the Irish?

you try and justify your hatred of black people all you like, mate, though perhaps you'd rather go and post on Stormfront? they like your type better there.

fedor.2. · 08-07-2011 03:41PM

Dudess wrote: »

It's believed it was a racially motivated attack, but why is that I wonder? The fact that the victims are white doesn't necessarily mean that. To me it seems it was simply due to the attackers being thugs looking to vent. I remember an assault on a black woman in Cork which was deemed a racist attack, but going by the details, it seems like she would have been attacked if she were white too - it was a case of vicious thugs, wrong place, wrong time.

Good job detective:rolleyes:

RMD · 08-07-2011 03:42PM

Dudess wrote: »

It's believed it was a racially motivated attack, but why is that I wonder? The fact that the victims are white doesn't necessarily mean that. To me it seems it was simply due to the attackers being thugs looking to vent. I remember an assault on a black woman in Cork which was deemed a racist attack, but going by the details, it seems like she would have been attacked if she were white too - it was a case of vicious thugs, wrong place, wrong time.

I don't think it was a racist attack either. Walk around Temple Bar at night, the vast, vast majority of people are White. I don't think these lads were walking around looking to kick the heads off solely white people, I think they were just walking around looking for a fight with anyone they saw, and considering the vast majority of people they'll see are white, they ended up only attacking white people. I don't consider it racism, I just think it's down to the fact that the majority of people in Temple Bar would be white.

Doesn't change anything though, they should still be sentenced as strongly as possible, just sensationalist reporting from tabloid rags as usual.

dlofnep wrote: »

They do have the same rights. I'm not referring to someone who has grown up in Ireland. I am referring to someone who has recently come to Ireland and has spat in the face of their hosts. I guess I should have stated resident, rather than citizen.

If someone has spent the majority of their life in Ireland, then I would view them as a naturalised citizen - and should be treated the same as anyone else. If someone has recently come to Ireland, and has gone to the lengths of joining a gang who's goal is to assault the local population - then they should be deported.

But we don't know if they aren't "naturalized" citizens. Of my 4 "black friends", all 4 of them were born and raised here, I'll assume they're roughly the same age of the gang in this article so there's a chance it could be the same, therefore making them Irish citizens. If this is the case, legally speaking they're as Irish as you and me. Now if this isn't the case and they are immigrants, they should be deported to wherever they came from without any hesitation.

Dudess · 08-07-2011 03:42PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Good job detective:rolleyes:

why thank you!

tiger55 · 08-07-2011 03:42PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yJ87y7BR80

Degsy · 08-07-2011 03:43PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Could you imagine if a gang of Irish lads carried out a similar wave of violence in Lagos. I'd say the families wouldn't even have bodies to bury, after Nigerian justice was finished with them.

Imagine it was Irish lads targetting blacks...they wouldnt have bodies to bury by the time the irish "anti racist" fringe were through with them.

Although as far as the Irish liberal lefty media are concerned(alll of them white),its only racism if it happens to somebody non-irish..everything else is in some way justifiable.

I remember hearing about this story last year..everybody knew it was racist blacks but NOT one mention of thier colour in the media...pathetic.

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2011 03:46PM

Spread wrote: »

Didn't any of the onlookers/witnesses have camera phones? If it was a white gang beating up a black guy ........ there would be lots of footage.

i dont know about you, but i always keep my phone well hidden around those types

Da Shins Kelly · 08-07-2011 03:46PM

Sounds like they were coked up to their eyeballs or summat. Racism is whack.

profitius · 08-07-2011 03:46PM

Degsy wrote: »

Imagine it was Irish lads targetting blacks...they wouldnt have bodies to bury by the time the irish "anti racist" fringe were through with them.

Although as far as the Irish liberal lefty media are concerned(alll of them white),its only racism if it happens to somebody non-irish..everything else is in some way justifiable.

I remember hearing about this story last year..everybody knew it was racist blacks but NOT one mention of thier colour in the media...pathetic.

It makes you wonder about the sanity of some people.

landsleaving · 08-07-2011 03:46PM

So... is it racist if someone beats up the Blue Man Group?

Mr. Denton · 08-07-2011 03:49PM

Mena wrote: »

As an African and immigrant (yes you do get white Africans!!)

We know. They're the worst kind.

RichieC · 08-07-2011 03:51PM

Mr. Denton wrote: »

We know. They're the worst kind.

ull this foocking blix ruining au homes!!

strobe · 08-07-2011 03:52PM

Morlar wrote: »

In all seriousness, if you are an immigrant to this country, or are here on 'humanitarian grounds' or awaiting a refugee appeal decision, and were a violent criminal - I would have no problem with that.

Regardless of colour, religion, height, sexual preference .. anything.

Likewise Irish who emigrate to Australia or the USA should be deported if they turn to violent crime. I'd perfectly understand and accept that also.

The solution there then would have to be to create two tier citizenship, one tier for those born in Ireland and a separate citizenship of lesser value and constitutional significance for 'naturalised' Irish citizens. This would require a significant re-write of the constitution from the top down. I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment but that is the reality.

amacachi · 08-07-2011 03:52PM

K-9 wrote: »

Probably treat it as manslaughter at best here.

The victim wasn't killed. It would be straight assault here.

dlofnep wrote: »

They do have the same rights. I'm not referring to someone who has grown up in Ireland. I am referring to someone who has recently come to Ireland and has spat in the face of their hosts. I guess I should have stated resident, rather than citizen.

Yes, you should.

Degsy wrote: »

Imagine it was Irish lads targetting blacks...they wouldnt have bodies to bury by the time the irish "anti racist" fringe were through with them.

Although as far as the Irish liberal lefty media are concerned(alll of them white),its only racism if it happens to somebody non-irish..everything else is in some way justifiable.

I remember hearing about this story last year..everybody knew it was racist blacks but NOT one mention of thier colour in the media...pathetic.

I'm sure as fcuk not a lefty but I'd like to see some evidence of this being a racist attack. The same as how most attacks on black people here aren't racist, just wrong place/wrong time. Even in hypothetical cases where say some white lads shout "******" as they're doing it they're most likely still the type who would "target" someone for having long hair or for wearing the wrong clothes.

CreepingDeath · 08-07-2011 03:53PM

RichieC wrote: »

perhaps you'd rather go and post on Stormfront? they like your type better there.

So what you're saying is that you don't like a certain type of person and you want them to be removed from here and segregated from you ? :rolleyes:

mikemac · 08-07-2011 03:53PM

Dudess wrote: »

It's believed it was a racially motivated attack, but why is that I wonder? The fact that the victims are white doesn't necessarily mean that. To me it seems it was simply due to the attackers being thugs looking to vent.

Maybe, there are a lot of assualts around that area. You can be minding your own business and get attacked by some randomer.

But it was the thugs themselves that brought race into it when questioned by the gardaí

"When the suspects were first questioned they tried to use racism as a defence -- they tried to say that they had been racially abused by the victims for being black.

K-9 · 08-07-2011 04:00PM

amacachi wrote: »

The victim wasn't killed. It would be straight assault here.

Indeed the lack of a body could prove troublesome!

Attempted murder should be the charge but it probably wont.

Wudyaquit · 08-07-2011 04:00PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Africa isn't one country. Lazily mentioning that they are African, really points a finger at the entire African community in Ireland. If they are native to a specific country in Africa, why not identify them as such? Let's say that the orgy was committed by a group of Indonesians, would the article say a group of Asians? How about if they were Serbian, would the article say a group of Europeans? Or, what if they were Brazilian, would the article say a group of South Americans?

How do you know they're all from the same country?
If there was a Brazilian, an Argentinian, a Bolivian and a couple of Paraguayans they'd say a group of South Americans. Can't see what'd be racist about that.

dlofnep · 08-07-2011 04:01PM

RMD wrote: »

But we don't know if they aren't "naturalized" citizens. Of my 4 "black friends", all 4 of them were born and raised here, I'll assume they're roughly the same age of the gang in this article so there's a chance it could be the same, therefore making them Irish citizens. If this is the case, legally speaking they're as Irish as you and me. Now if this isn't the case and they are immigrants, they should be deported to wherever they came from without any hesitation.

Nobody said anything about 'black'. Their colour is irrelevant. They could be white Germans for all I care - but if they abuse the generosity of their hosts - then I'd be only too happy to deport them. If they grew up in Ireland and have become naturalised - that's a completely different story.

RichieC · 08-07-2011 04:02PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

So what you're saying is that you don't like a certain type of person and you want them to be removed from here and segregated from you ? :rolleyes:

l2read more good.

amacachi · 08-07-2011 04:03PM

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed the lack of a body could prove troublesome!

Attempted murder should be the charge but it probably wont.

This country is a sham tbh, ever seen how few murder convictions there are? Then because of that it's hard to prosecute what is a genuine manslaughter case since manslaughter covers what should be murder which trickles down to everything including attempted murder and assaults.

EDIT: There's another great one the yanks have, not sure how many states have it though but it's "Assault by pointing." :pac:

Marty McFly · 08-07-2011 04:04PM

I cant understand why people are getting up on there high horses everytime someone mentions deporting them, of coarse they should be deported if there not Irish citizens it not racist I couldnt care if they were Polish, German, Nigerian, Brazillian whatever if they commit a crime over they should serve time in an Irish prison and then be deported or be deported to serve time in a prison in there own country.

This is not a new concept, nor is it racist look at how many criminals have been deported from America back to South America. No lets all be liberal yeh let these non citizens serve time here then be released still the violent criminals they were back into our society, Sure the poor chaps had it hard or dont like it in there home country cant send them back there the poor lads :rolleyes:.

Tipsy McSwagger · 08-07-2011 04:05PM

It's very simple really, they committed a serious crime so they should be deported. I don't see any alternative. It's about time this country stopped being a soft touch for non-nationals to take advantage of.

Eric Cartman · 08-07-2011 04:08PM

landsleaving wrote: »

So... is it racist if someone beats up the Blue Man Group?

thats anti gay

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-07-2011 04:09PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

It's very simple really, they committed a serious crime so they should be deported. I don't see any alternative. It's about time this country stopped being a soft touch for non-nationals to take advantage of.

And what nation should we deport 'non-nationals' to?.

Race hate gang in Temple Bar orgy of violence [mod note #1]

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