Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

ball · 07-06-2011 07:36PM

Skunkle wrote: »

I dont want to be forced to endure it. I want them to be forced to endure not being able to smoke in certain places. The problem is the smoke, not the people who dislike it. The smoke is a known cause of cancer so I wont lighten up about it, if it was just the annoyance of the smell I'd grin and bear it but its not. I'm glad it doesnt bother you but it bothers me.

I'm pretty sure I said it does bother me. I'm also pretty sure they are "forced to endure not being able to smoke in certain places". Places such as... indoors.

You should lay off the cancer thing. There's a lot of things other than second hand smoke that can cause it.

MungBean · 07-06-2011 07:48PM

ball wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I said it does bother me. I'm also pretty sure they are "forced to endure not being able to smoke in certain places". Places such as... indoors.

You should lay off the cancer thing. There's a lot of things other than second hand smoke that can cause it.

You said you disliked the smell but thats the risk you take when going outside. So it cant bother ya that much.

Seeing as we were talking about outdoors the fact that they cant smoke inside doesnt change the argument.

And dont tell me to lay off the cancer thing, just because other things cause cancer doesnt mean I should stop saying smoke causes cancer. It says it on the pack for christ sake, along with "may harm those around you" " can cause a slow and painful death". If people want to take those risks then they can. but the rest of us shouldnt be pushed aside so that they can do so.

07-06-2011 09:13PM

Reading this thread, I'm glad I live in a country where I can smoke absolutely anywhere and no one cares.. Most people who make it this far have better things to think about than second hand smoke. But kind of ironically, it's 3.12am and I can't sleep because of a chest infection.

Pandora2 · 08-06-2011 11:34AM

Once again...Smokers v.Non-smokers

The issue here is that service (whether it be drink/food/table clearing) is provided in a designated smoking area. The proprietor is the one breaking the law and it is there that your complaint should be directed. A Simple call to the Environmental Health Office at your local Council should kick start an inspection and have the culprit sanctioned. Queue more barstaff/chef's/lounge staff/waiters/kitchen staff out of work but it will be worth it to have a cigarette in peace:rolleyes:!!!

Cú Giobach · 08-06-2011 11:53AM

Skunkle wrote: »

You said you disliked the smell but thats the risk you take when going outside. So it cant bother ya that much.

Seeing as we were talking about outdoors the fact that they cant smoke inside doesnt change the argument.

And dont tell me to lay off the cancer thing, just because other things cause cancer doesnt mean I should stop saying smoke causes cancer. It says it on the pack for christ sake, along with "may harm those around you" " can cause a slow and painful death". If people want to take those risks then they can. but the rest of us shouldnt be pushed aside so that they can do so.

People might get cancer from smoking loads of fags every day for years and years, and you think you can get cancer from occasionally standing near someone smoking outdoors. Wow!
You do realise it takes more than a few molecules of these chemicals to harm you, it's not exactly hydrogen cyanide or something.
You are taking in much more and worse toxins every time you take a breath in a modern city.

Elle Collins · 08-06-2011 12:07PM

Skunkle wrote: »

Every outdoor area is now considered a smoking area. I cant sit in the beer garden on a sunny day without getting a face full of smoke. Every restaurant with tables outdoor has branded that the smoking area. Shut inside everywhere ya go because smokers think they have a right to smoke everywhere they go.

Smokers do have the right to smoke everywhere they go, as long as it is outside. My advice to you would be to get used to it because it's not going to change.

s20101938 · 08-06-2011 12:14PM

Attn: Smokers.

When you go outside please keep at least 6m away from the door, this way the smoke doesn't waft into the building again.
When re-entering the building refrain from blowing a last breath of smoke into the building.

Your addiction is distorting your reasoning which is why so many of you are vehemently defending your behaviour, when any reasonable person can see that it is madness.

Just quit, right now.

messymess · 08-06-2011 12:25PM

bleg wrote: »

Meh, so what?

Cancer. That's what!

Gulliver · 08-06-2011 12:59PM

Elle Collins wrote: »

Smokers do have the right to smoke everywhere they go, as long as it is outside. My advice to you would be to get used to it because it's not going to change.

Serious question: Does that right supersede someone else's right to enjoy an outdoor area without smoke near them or are they equal?

Cú Giobach · 08-06-2011 01:13PM

s20101938 wrote: »

Just quit, right now.

I will yea.

iregk · 08-06-2011 01:55PM

Belle Creamy Advisor wrote: »

Non-smokers: Indulging in delusions of immortality and revelling in the deaths of others.

No not really. I've no delusion of immortality. I simply revel in the deaths of others.

Scanlas The 2nd · 08-06-2011 02:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading this thread, I'm glad I live in a country where I can smoke absolutely anywhere and no one cares.. Most people who make it this far have better things to think about than second hand smoke. But kind of ironically, it's 3.12am and I can't sleep because of a chest infection.

I'm glad I live in a country where I can spray my fly spray in smokers' faces.

Gulliver · 08-06-2011 02:46PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'm glad I live in a country where I can spray my fly spray in smokers' faces.

Only outside, mind you.

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:02PM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

People might get cancer from smoking loads of fags every day for years and years, and you think you can get cancer from occasionally standing near someone smoking outdoors. Wow!
You do realise it takes more than a few molecules of these chemicals to harm you, it's not exactly hydrogen cyanide or something.
You are taking in much more and worse toxins every time you take a breath in a modern city.

Newsflash there Doc. Anything that says on the packet "may harm people around you" I dont want around me. Its that simple. Whether it takes 5 million fags or not I dont want that **** near me or near my children, it may increase their risk of getting cancer or increase the chance theat they will smoke themselves. Should your right to pollute yourself supersede my childs right to stand in a park and breath fresh air ? no it shouldnt and the fact that you defend it shows your lack of interest in anyone other than yourself. Other toxins come from necessary industry. Cigarettes only do one thing, feed a habit. **** can be addictive, non harmful to other people around. Yet do you think that someone should have the right to do it in public ? Of course not you wouldnt like that, because your all about what you want to do regardless of how it affects others.

Happyman42 · 08-06-2011 03:05PM

Skunkle wrote: »

Newsflash there Doc. Anything that says on the packet "may harm people around you" I dont want around me. Its that simple. Whether it takes 5 million fags or not I dont want that **** near me or near my children, it may increase their risk of getting cancer or increase the chance theat they will smoke themselves. Should your right to pollute yourself supersede my childs right to stand in a park and breath fresh air ? no it shouldnt and the fact that you defend it shows your lack of interest in anyone other than yourself. Other toxins come from necessary industry. Cigarettes only do one thing, feed a habit. **** can be addictive, non harmful to other people around. Yet do you think that someone should have the right to do it in public ? Of course not you wouldnt like that, because your all about what you want to do regardless of how it affects others.

You shouldn't get out more. Seriously! It's the only thing that will protect you and your children.

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:08PM

Elle Collins wrote: »

Smokers do have the right to smoke everywhere they go, as long as it is outside. My advice to you would be to get used to it because it's not going to change.

I think you have missed the point of everything I have said. I'm questioning whether they should have the right. I know they do have the right as its not prohibited by law. And I wont get used to it because it is going to change. Eventually people will realise that selling a cancer causing substance should not be allowed and the sale of cigarettes will be prohibited. Might not be for a long time but it will happen.

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:10PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

You shouldn't get out more. Seriously! It's the only thing that will protect you and your children.

What are you on about?

wow sierra · 08-06-2011 03:11PM

Can't be arsed to read all the comments in the Thread but as a reply to the OP.
Yes there are many smoking areas which do not comply strictly to the letter of the law and there are some pubs where you can have a sneaky after hours cigarette with your sneaky after hours pint. So f**king what?????

I remember years of drinking in smoke filled pubs where you could get your eye taken out by a guy coming down from the bar with four pints and his cigarette still between his fingers as well. People with cigarettes in their hands while slow dancing etc etc. The awful smell on your clothes the next day. Stay out of the smoking areas if you don't like them.

The smoking ban has been a resouding sucess - it has been brilliant and a credit to the people of this country. We set the trend for the whole of Europe. A few minor exceptions don't bother me.

Happyman42 · 08-06-2011 03:15PM

Skunkle wrote: »

What are you on about?

if you can't bring your children to a public park because of the 'smokers' then you are to be pitied, not argued with.

JustAddWater · 08-06-2011 03:18PM

Fail

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:23PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

if you can't bring your children to a public park because of the 'smokers' then you are to be pitied, not argued with.

Who says I cant do anything ? I'm to be pitied because I dont want my kids inhaling smoke ? Your the one to be pitied mate as you lack sufficient intelligence to read a few posts and understand what the conversation is about. Its not about not being able to do anything its about why smokers have the right to smoke in certain places.

ROCKMAN · 08-06-2011 03:26PM

Ye sat there laughing, nice and warm inside all winter long... happy to see us freeze your nuts off outside, and now we have a bit of good weather ye are laying claim to outside as well ,,well f*ck off ,if the beer garden smoke area was not good enough for ye in November/January why should we move aside for ye in June/July....

Piss off back inside yer not welcome out here with the cool kids .......

dark crystal · 08-06-2011 03:32PM

Skunkle wrote: »

Who says I cant do anything ? I'm to be pitied because I dont want my kids inhaling smoke ? Its not about not being able to do anything its about why smokers have the right to smoke in certain places.

How on earth are your kids inhaling cigarette smoke in the wide open space of a park?

Smokers have the right to smoke outdoors, it's the law of the land. If you don't agree with it, take it up with the government who passed that law. The smokers themselves aren't doing anything wrong.

Gulliver · 08-06-2011 03:32PM

Skunkle wrote: »

What are you on about?

Skunkle, they're winding you up and you're falling right into their "non-smokers are all crazy" trap. I agree it's strange, even unbelievable, that you can buy such an addictive drug legally, but drink is the same. As long as there's VAT to be got and profit to be made, it won't change. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

In the meantime, maybe we should build a few smokatoriums :pac:

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:35PM

dark crystal wrote: »

How on earth are your kids inhaling cigarette smoke in the wide open space of a park?

Smokers have the right to smoke outdoors, it's the law of the land. If you don't agree with it, take it up with the government who passed that law. The smokers themselves aren't doing anything wrong.

Once again read a bit before replying. I know the law, I'm questioning the RIGHT and not the people.

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:38PM

Gulliver wrote: »

Skunkle, they're winding you up and you're falling right into their "non-smokers are all crazy" trap. I agree it's strange, even unbelievable, that you can buy such an addictive drug legally, but drink is the same. As long as there's VAT to be got and profit to be made, it won't change. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

In the meantime, maybe we should build a few smokatoriums :pac:

I'm not sure they are winding me up, I think they are all so desperate to justify their addictions they throw logic and reason out the window. Likin them smokatoriums though.

Plautus · 08-06-2011 03:43PM

As a smoker, being conscientious towards those that don't smoke seems uncontroversial. Being told however that I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in the open air lest a scintilla of cancer-causing smoke reach some precious children? When smoke dissipates fairly quickly in the open air?

That's a bit rich. That and trying to ban smoking outright. Smokers in the UK subsidise their health costs on the NHS twice over through cigarette excise. I'd imagine the figures are similar here.

I can appreciate when Dudess says that not everyone who dislikes smoke is ipso facto a smug git but there are some people in this thread playing to beat the band ... Look skunkle, we know you think you're the superior being with 'logic' and 'reason'; then perhaps you'd be receptive to the general wisdom that prohibition informed by puritanical sentiments like yours has never been seen to work.

Sure smoking is addictive. It's also enjoyable. Particularly cigars - so I find.

decisions · 08-06-2011 03:53PM

If we were not smoking cigarettes/ If they were banned altogether, how much would a litre of petrol cost...?

ball · 08-06-2011 03:54PM

decisions wrote: »

If we were not smoking cigarettes/ If they were banned altogether, how much would a litre of petrol cost...?

Don't you start!

MungBean · 08-06-2011 03:57PM

Plautus wrote: »

As a smoker, being conscientious towards those that don't smoke seems uncontroversial. Being told however that I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in the open air lest a scintilla of cancer-causing smoke reach some precious children? When smoke dissipates fairly quickly in the open air?

That's a bit rich. That and trying to ban smoking outright. Smokers in the UK subsidise their health costs on the NHS twice over through cigarette excise. I'd imagine the figures are similar here.

I can appreciate when Dudess says that not everyone who dislikes smoke is ipso facto a smug git but there are some people in this thread playing to beat the band ... Look skunkle, we know you think you're the superior being with 'logic' and 'reason'; then perhaps you'd be receptive to the general wisdom that prohibition informed by puritanical sentiments like yours has never been seen to work.

Sure smoking is addictive. It's also enjoyable. Particularly cigars - so I find.

Yes of course I'm smug and arrogant because I use reason and logic to deduce that smoking something that comes in a packet that states that it is dangerous to your health and the health of those around you is not a good thing. There is nothing I have said that can be seen as arrogant. I have stated time and time again that my argument is about the RIGHT and not people. Yet each time along comes someone too lazy to read an actual post, labels me arrogant or smug and then sets about justifying their addiction.

I'm done with this thread as there is no debate, only insults and self justification. Good day.

Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

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