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Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

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  • #152
    goodgolfer64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭goodgolfer64


    WIZE wrote: »
    I dont get this thread

    Is the OP complaining about people Smoking in a Smoking area of a Cafe where Customers can Dine also ?

    in case you didnt understand what the smoking ban was brought i for!!!!

    AgileMyth wrote: »
    Yes thats how I read it. He wants smoking banned in places that serve food, which it has been. He also wants smoking banned in the smoking area of such places, which is retarded

    it was brought in for workers not having to be subject to a smoke filled workplace...(no service/entertainment provided in designated smoking areas).but in recent years establishments have been bending the rules....

    i have nothing against smokers smoking...but alot of angry smokers :mad: on here seem STRESSED bout there little cigs..:D


  • #153
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    goodgolfer64 wrote: »
    in case you didnt understand what the smoking ban was brought i for!!!!




    it was brought in for workers not having to be subject to a smoke filled workplace...(no service/entertainment provided in designated smoking areas).but in recent years establishments have been bending the rules....

    i have nothing against smokers smoking...but alot of angry smokers :mad: on here seem STRESSED bout there little cigs..:D

    So there is a Smoking Section built in the Cafe for Smokers to dine but you want smokers to be banned from Smoking in the Smoking Area


  • #154
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    What those pesky non-smokers don't realise is that there were no outdoor beer gardens, for the most part, in this country before the smoking ban. These outdoor areas were put in for us smokers, so you can feck off and stay indoors and lump it, we wouldn't want you getting any harmful UV rays giving you skin cancer seeing as you're so afraid of it.


  • #155
    Plankton1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭Plankton1


    Smoking Area failure = the fact that of my group of 12 friends, we all went through our teenage years, the years when you are most likely to try smoking, without taking it up. Since the smoking ban, everyone on a night out congregates in the smoking area chatting and now 4 of the 12 are full fledged smokers and 5 of the rest smoke on nights out. FAIL


  • #156
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Plankton1 wrote: »
    Smoking Area failure = the fact that of my group of 12 friends, we all went through our teenage years, the years when you are most likely to try smoking, without taking it up. Since the smoking ban, everyone on a night out congregates in the smoking area chatting and now 4 of the 12 are full fledged smokers and 5 of the rest smoke on nights out. FAIL

    Great point.. The stupid ban actually encouraged more people to smoke. People felt a bit left out of the loop when their friends went for a fag so they took up smoking themselves. The more the merrier.


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  • #157
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    ball wrote: »
    I'm a non-smoker and I can't stand the smell of tobacco when I'm trying to eat my dinner.

    And for that reason, I don't eat my dinner in the smoking area.

    Same, I always eat inside or in a non smoking zone. It's not such a big deal really, if people complained less and minded their own business the world would be a better place.


  • #158
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    goodgolfer64 wrote: »
    it was brought in for workers not having to be subject to a smoke filled workplace...(no service/entertainment provided in designated smoking areas).but in recent years establishments have been bending the rules....
    Again, please show me where the law says that entertainment is not to be provided in smoking areas.


  • #159
    Pandora2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Pandora2


    My eldest was an unapologetic anti-smoking nazi until the ban came in (she bought me Alan Carr's book 3 times!!) but gradually I noticed the smell on her clothes and hair after a nite out!! She went to the smoking area with her mates and eventually lit up! Then a pack appeared in her room, just recently she lit up when having a coffee stating "I'm on a diet" we're on the slippery slope...100% DUE TO SMOKING BAN:( I can't even give out...smoking is my last vice!!


  • #160
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Plankton1 wrote: »
    Smoking Area failure = the fact that of my group of 12 friends, we all went through our teenage years, the years when you are most likely to try smoking, without taking it up. Since the smoking ban, everyone on a night out congregates in the smoking area chatting and now 4 of the 12 are full fledged smokers and 5 of the rest smoke on nights out. FAIL



    Fact:...Smokers have more joy and share it frequently with joy seeking non-smokers, that's why they are always in the DSA at parties!


  • #161
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Smoking Area FAILURE


    lol I thought it fell down or something.

    I was sorely disappointed to discover this was just another thread by a moany non-smoker sticking his nose into a situation that didn't affect him in the slightest.

    *sigh*


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  • #162
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Sink The Banana wrote: »
    Would you have a problem with someone vaping beside you? You can see what looks like smoke but it's odourless and is just vapour.

    Of course not :confused:


  • #163
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Pandora2 wrote: »
    My eldest was an unapologetic anti-smoking nazi until the ban came in (she bought me Alan Carr's book 3 times!!) but gradually I noticed the smell on her clothes and hair after a nite out!! She went to the smoking area with her mates and eventually lit up! Then a pack appeared in her room, just recently she lit up when having a coffee stating "I'm on a diet" we're on the slippery slope...100% DUE TO SMOKING BAN:( I can't even give out...smoking is my last vice!!

    Your eldest is a sly one. She's convinced you that her taking up smoking is 100% DUE TO THE SMOKING BAN!!! :rolleyes:

    By that rationale everyone who drank in pubs before the ban would have been smoking. There's not much difference to standing out in a smoking area with people who are smoking and sitting in a pub with people are smoking peer pressure wise.

    She's just sold you on this fabulous it's the smoking ban's fault idea because she doesn't want to admit that she's too weak to stick to her guns about being anti-smoking.


  • #164
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Great point.. The stupid ban actually encouraged more people to smoke. People felt a bit left out of the loop when their friends went for a fag so they took up smoking themselves. The more the merrier.

    Nonsense. I spend loads of time in smoking areas with my friends and don't smoke. Plenty of non-smokers manage to successfully do this.

    If people are too weak-willed and feel the need to copy their friends all the time then that's their look-out. It's not the ban's fault in the slightest.


  • #165
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Smoking something known to cause cancer = stupid.

    I know its hard to quit, took me a while to quit myself. I'm not a reformed smoker out to condemn everyone who smokes but in hindsight it was one stupid thing to do. Spend 8.50 a day to pollute my lungs and risk getting cancer. Once rid of the addiction your the same person only 8.50 a day richer. All smoking does is ruin your health to make the cigarette companies rich.

    I have the greatest respect for anyone who is attempting to quit because it isnt easy. But for those who have no intentions of quitting and think it their right to smoke away in public places and risk the health of other people who were smart enough to avoid the things in the first place. I'd say grow the fuk up and cop the fuk on. Your not cool, your not hard, your not availing of your rights your pissing on everyone elses.


  • #166
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    bleg wrote: »
    Meh, so what?


    So what , what?


    Either there is a law or there isn't.

    Are you one of these people who ignores every regulation until it impacts on you.


  • #167
    Elle Collins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Elle Collins


    Skunkle wrote: »
    But for those who have no intentions of quitting and think it their right to smoke away in public places and risk the health of other people who were smart enough to avoid the things in the first place. I'd say grow the fuk up and cop the fuk on. Your not cool, your not hard, your not availing of your rights your pissing on everyone elses.

    What a load of balls. There is nowhere public where you can smoke indoors anymore, so nobody is pissing on anyones rights. This whole thread is about smokers smoking in a smoking area! If non-smokers want to sit in the smoking area what the fcuk else can they expect but smoke?


  • #168
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Elle Collins wrote: »
    What a load of balls. There is nowhere public where you can smoke indoors anymore, so nobody is pissing on anyones rights. This whole thread is about smokers smoking in a smoking area! If non-smokers want to sit in the smoking area what the fcuk else can they expect but smoke?

    Every outdoor area is now considered a smoking area. I cant sit in the beer garden on a sunny day without getting a face full of smoke. Every restaurant with tables outdoor has branded that the smoking area. Shut inside everywhere ya go because smokers think they have a right to smoke everywhere they go. Ya even have to walk past people smoking at the door to get into most places. And the thread is about the fact that the "smoking area" mentioned was effectively indoors.


  • #169
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    Skunkle wrote: »
    Every outdoor area is now considered a smoking area. I cant sit in the beer garden on a sunny day without getting a face full of smoke. Every restaurant with tables outdoor has branded that the smoking area. Shut inside everywhere ya go because smokers think they have a right to smoke everywhere they go. Ya even have to walk past people smoking at the door to get into most places. And the thread is about the fact that the "smoking area" mentioned was effectively indoors.

    Are you for real? :mad:. How dare us smokers, have the nerve and audacity to smoke in an outdoor area marked as smoking area the cheek we have no shame really:rolleyes:. so if you dont want us smoking out in the open air were would you suggest we go for a smoke? I know I got the cure lets round up all smokers and put them into the gas chambers like hitler done with the jews, problem solved. The attitude of non smokers is shocking with there higher than mighty attitude, im not going to lie I have told some people like you were to go when theyve tried to convey that attitude to me when ive been smoking outside.


  • #170
    Formosa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Formosa


    All the smokers around here are fierce defensive altogether....


  • #171
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    luvbulmers01 wrote: »
    Are you for real? :mad:. How dare us smokers, have the nerve and audacity to smoke in an outdoor area marked as smoking area the cheek we have no shame really:rolleyes:. so if you dont want us smoking out in the open air were would you suggest we go for a smoke? I know I got the cure lets round up all smokers and put them into the gas chambers like hitler done with the jews, problem solved. The attitude of non smokers is shocking with there higher than mighty attitude, im not going to lie I have told some people like you were to go when theyve tried to convey that attitude to me when ive been smoking outside.

    Ah yes, you have every right to smoke in peoples faces and anyone who says otherwise is Hitler.


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  • #172
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    Skunkle wrote: »
    Ah yes, you have every right to smoke in peoples faces and anyone who says otherwise is Hitler.

    Ah good argument:rolleyes:. Also yes I do have every right by the law to smoke in peoples faces once im outside, if you have a problem with smoke in your face dont sit out in a beer garden just like smokers if we want a smoke we dont sit inside you seem to be having a very hard time comprehending to laws on smoking, if yeh dont want my smoke in your face keep your distance from me if yeh dont tough **** on you.


  • #173
    ball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭ball


    Skunkle wrote: »
    Ah yes, you have every right to smoke in peoples faces and anyone who says otherwise is Hitler.
    What do you suggest? A smoking area in the smoking area?


  • #174
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    luvbulmers01 wrote: »
    Ah good argument:rolleyes:. Also yes I do have every right by the law to smoke in peoples faces once im outside, if you have a problem with smoke in your face dont sit out in a beer garden just like smokers if we want a smoke we dont sit inside you seem to be having a very hard time comprehending to laws on smoking, if yeh dont want my smoke in your face keep your distance from me if yeh dont tough **** on you.

    I know the law, what you think I've been complaining about? I have no problem with people smoking provided its done in an area where its only people who wish to smoke. By telling everyone that all outdoor areas linked to restaurants or bars are now smoking areas your not creating a smoking area, your just pushing the problem outside. And rather than the "laws of smoking" affecting smokers they equally affect people who dont smoke. By telling them smokers now have priority in all outdoor areas. If you dont like smoke then dont go outside. I have a right to exist outside without having a cancer causing smoke blown into my face. You however should not have the right to blow it into my face. The fact that some think they do is the problem I have with smokers.


  • #175
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    ball wrote: »
    What do you suggest? A smoking area in the smoking area?

    No I suggest an actual smoking area. Not just banning it from inside and permitting in outside. I'd like to sit in the sun on an evening and have a bite to eat and a drink. But I cant unless I am willing to put up with smoke. A smoker has the option of eating/drinking wherever he wants. But can only smoke outside. I only have one option of where to dine. Why am I inhibited because you want to smoke a cancer causing substance ?


  • #176
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    Skunkle wrote: »
    I know the law, what you think I've been complaining about? I have no problem with people smoking provided its done in an area where its only people who wish to smoke. By telling everyone that all outdoor areas linked to restaurants or bars are now smoking areas your not creating a smoking area, your just pushing the problem outside. And rather than the "laws of smoking" affecting smokers they equally affect people who dont smoke. By telling them smokers now have priority in all outdoor areas. If you dont like smoke then dont go outside. I have a right to exist outside without having a cancer causing smoke blown into my face. You however should not have the right to blow it into my face. The fact that some think they do is the problem I have with smokers.

    Ah now see that a bit more constructive yeh put a bit of thought into it, and didnt give off this condescnding higher than mighty attitude towards smokers, you put your point accross well. Well you also have to see it from smokers points of view we have already been pushed outside for something we had become accustomed to being allowed to do inside, plus we also have to put up with non smokers attitudes like you conveyed in your previous posts which just adds flames to the situation i.e if someone said to me sorry if you dont mind could you watch were you blow your smoke id in return give a polite response, but if which in most cases you get someone over exagerating a cought or making a smart comment theyll get a swift **** off. So you still havent told me what your solution would be to this problem? As i see it we are outside, maybe you might get the odd bit of second hand smoke but in general its nowhere near as harmful as inhaling second hand smoke is when in an indoor enviroment so using the cancer thing doesnt really cut it either.


  • #177
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    luvbulmers01 wrote: »
    Ah now see that a bit more constructive yeh put a bit of thought into it, and didnt give off this condescnding higher than mighty attitude towards smokers, you put your point accross well. Well you also have to see it from smokers points of view we have already been pushed outside for something we had become accustomed to being allowed to do inside, plus we also have to put up with non smokers attitudes like you conveyed in your previous posts which just adds flames to the situation i.e if someone said to me sorry if you dont mind could you watch were you blow your smoke id in return give a polite response, but if which in most cases you get someone over exagerating a cought or making a smart comment theyll get a swift **** off. So you still havent told me what your solution would be to this problem? As i see it we are outside, maybe you might get the odd bit of second hand smoke but in general its nowhere near as harmful as inhaling second hand smoke is when in an indoor enviroment so using the cancer thing doesnt really cut it either.


    I used to smoke and smoked at the time of the ban and I know first hand that it did not affect people in the least bit. So dont gimme that crap about being pushed around. I have no holier than thou attitude to smokers, I have a certain disdain for smokers who have no regard for other people though. And stop making out like you have lived a persecuted life, you smoke a cancer causing substance and certain people dont want to be around you when you do. They are not fascists for feeling like that. The government introduced a law to benefit people who upto that point had been forced to work in conditions detrimental to their health. The problem has not gone as the OP has shown. People are still working in relatively enclosed areas which are ok because they are called "smoking areas" . My solution would be have an actual smoking area away from anyone who doesnt want to risk their health as originally intended, away from the actual business. That or ban it altogether as it is a pointless thing to be at, wasting money to entertain a habit that doesnt benefit anyone but the companies who make the things.


  • #178
    [Deleted User]
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    Smokers.. Non-smokers. It doesn't matter. Everybody is a c*nt.


  • #179
    Kidchameleon
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    phasers wrote: »
    ah so what, the smokers can sit in their area and smoke, and non smokers can sit in the lovely non smoking area. Everyone wins.

    Except for the person serving the food.


  • #180
    ball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭ball


    Skunkle wrote: »
    No I suggest an actual smoking area. Not just banning it from inside and permitting in outside. I'd like to sit in the sun on an evening and have a bite to eat and a drink. But I cant unless I am willing to put up with smoke. A smoker has the option of eating/drinking wherever he wants. But can only smoke outside. I only have one option of where to dine. Why am I inhibited because you want to smoke a cancer causing substance ?

    FYI, I'm a non smoker, and as I said somewhere near the start, I don't like the smell of smoke when I'm eating either. But if I want to go outside on a sunny day, that's the risk I take. I think you need to give the smokers a break.

    Also, you need to lighten up about the whole cancer from second hand smoke thing. You should be more worried about stress related illnesses IMO.


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  • #181
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    ball wrote: »
    FYI, I'm a non smoker, and as I said somewhere near the start, I don't like the smell of smoke when I'm eating either. But if I want to go outside on a sunny day, that's the risk I take. I think you need to give the smokers a break.

    Also, you need to lighten up about the whole cancer from second hand smoke thing. You should be more worried about stress related illnesses.

    I dont want to be forced to endure it. I want them to be forced to endure not being able to smoke in certain places. The problem is the smoke, not the people who dislike it. The smoke is a known cause of cancer so I wont lighten up about it, if it was just the annoyance of the smell I'd grin and bear it but its not. I'm glad it doesnt bother you but it bothers me.


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