Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

iPlop

Terry wrote: »

Now picture the fishermen who catch that for your eating pleasure.

I have to stop eating when someone is eating fish beside me, it makes me vomit, there should be a fish eating room outside ,it's fúcking disgusting ,and I'm serious.

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

Was at cafe in donabate today and was shocked to see an outer dining area where food was been served!!!now there was tiny gaps in the canvas on the sides (but had semi solid ceiling and had fixed doors) but it was still somewhat smoke filled as large crowd dining there....I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I remember when the law came in and a stubborn officer came to a bar I managed and went crazy at our cover shed which had with 3 missings sides....seems madness now looking at other smoking areas...

OP, not sure if anyone has asked or not, but this outdoor dining area, did each table have an ashtray on it? or were the smoking folk just stamping their ciggies out on the floor?

Luxie

Gulliver wrote: »

LOL :pac:

why in ah of all places is sarcasm so ignored?

mikemac

Worked in a hotel in the beautiful Co. Tipp

During the rare sunny summer days, people would take their carvary meals out to the beer garden.

And then I had to field complaints about smoking in the beer garden when food was being served

G'wanouttadat! As a barman I was in favour of the smoking ban but give the smokers some peace and let them enjoy the beer garden

goodgolfer64

aligator_am wrote: »

OP, not sure if anyone has asked or not, but this outdoor dining area, did each table have an ashtray on it? or were the smoking folk just stamping their ciggies out on the floor?

yes

Terry

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

Insert large font:

Don't go to the smoking area. People will be smoking there.
If it's outside the main building, then it's usually a smoking area.
To think otherwise would be idiotic.

Logical Fallacy

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

Of course the country is a joke, it's filled with tossers who give out about **** on the internet but appear to lack the mental wherewithal to offer solutions to problems.

goodgolfer64

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

Pete M.

mikemac wrote: »

Worked in a hotel in the beautiful Co. Tipp

During the rare sunny summer days, people would take their carvary meals out to the beer garden.

And then I had to field complaints about smoking in the beer garden when food was being served

As a barman I was in favour of the smoking ban but give the smokers some peace and let them enjoy the beer garden

Jaysus!! Common sense :eek:

G'wanouttadat indeed

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

yes

Yes there were ashtrays on each table or yes the smokers were stamping their smokes out on the floor?

Sorry, not trying to be a pedantic poxbottle, just wasn't sure which question your answer was aimed at

Happyman42

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

It's one of the things I love about this country...we found a workaround for this ridiculous law. I can take you to several pubs who don't enforce this to the letter of the law...safe in the knowledge that after 5pm the likelihood of being caught is slim....because of overtime bans, staff shortages etc...now that's an Irish solution for you.
I have no problem with the idea of smoke free restaurants, and I prefer them, but the draconian, holier than thou, way this was implemented in pubs was anti-mine and others human rights. There where loads of ways this could have been done differently, had basic respect for me and others existed.
Somebody chooses to climb a mountain and dies....that's fine. I choose to smoke, legally bought cigarettes. I'm not going to be made a second class citizen because I do.

Pete M.

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

How did they protect them the first time?

Monty Burnz

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If you knew anything about the guy, you'd realise he didn't give a fúck. He made his own choice and he faced his own consequences.

I'm sure that was a great consolation to him as he died in misery. Such a waste.

mikemac

During the cold winter evenings, the non smokers are happy to see the smokers banished to the freezing cold beer garden for their smoke
During the warm sunny days, the non smokers start complaining about the smokers in the beer garden :rolleyes:

Come on, be reasonable here!

@goodgolfer64, give the large fonts a rest

The Left Hand Of God

Give me smokers over "Beer" farts inside a pub any day.

OP you are right, it is a joke. Not for the people who don't smoke who go into them but for the staff that the law is supposed to protect.

You only have to go to the Half Way house in Walkinstown to see how big a joke it is.

"Outside" me arse.

I'm a smoker by the way. I blew somoke at all MrStuffins posts in this thread :P

iPlop

Let's have a fish eating ban ,no scuttery breath allowed and under no circumstances ,NO BELCHING!!!!


I fúcking hate fish breath wafting down wind at me:mad: ,You guys need to be outside

goodgolfer64

mikemac wrote: »

During the cold winter evenings, the non smokers are happy to see the smokers banished to the freezing cold beer garden for their smoke
During the warm sunny days, the non smokers start complaining about the smokers in the beer garden :rolleyes:

Come on, be reasonable here!

@goodgolfer64, give the large fonts a rest

for starter m8t...im on about staff servicing smoking areas...where they are subject to a semi smoke filled environment....this is contrary to the smoking ban in the first place....

yes - ashtrays in smoking area

Pete M. wrote: »

How did they protect them the first time?

troll

Logical Fallacy

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

lol, obvious newb move to comment on post count.

And the large text is boring.

Do you have anything to offer with regard to solutions or are you just gonna repeat the non-smoking equivalent of "won't somebody think of the children?"

For homework tonight i suggest returning to the establishment and finding out if the management direct customer to smoke there and refer to it as a "smoking area".

It will help clear the whole thing up pretty quickly.

Da Shins Kelly

Nothing smokers ever do to reduce the extent to which their smoking seems to annoy some people will ever be enough. Some people are just colossal d*cks and are never gonna be happy regardless of what's done short of banning tobacco outright, which is ridiculous and should never be enforced.

Da Shins Kelly

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Ah yes, the great, late Bill Hicks.

From Wikipedia...

Read over the previous posts. We've discussed Bill Hicks' death already. He probably wouldn't have given a f*ck what you thought (or any of us) anyway.

Hookah

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

for starter m8t...im on about staff servicing smoking areas...where they are subject to a semi smoke filled environment....this is contrary to the smoking ban in the first place....

How about banning smoking altogether in pubs, causing the loss of more jobs in the industry, and see how that affects the quality of life of the newly unemployed?

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

yes

OK, you haven't replied, so I'm gonna assume that yes meant that there were ashtrays on each table, which would strongly suggest it was a smoking area.

The folks that were eating in this area, did they not notice the ashtrays, did they think it was where they put the remainder of the shrimp when they were done with it?

There are loads of pubs that have a similar setup to what you describe, but what I'm still trying to wrangle my mind around is that folk who could see ashtrays on tables couldn't work out that this was a smoking area, were they dense and somehow think this was the dish that the starters would be served in or something???

goodgolfer64

Hookah wrote: »

How about banning smoking altogether in pubs, causing the loss of more jobs in the industry, and see how that affects the quality of life of the newly unemployed?

AWWWWWWWWWWW will you get F%$KIN REAL..........newly unemployed WAFFLE my ass.....
correct me if im wrong but wasnt it banned altogether????no?

Hookah

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

AWWWWWWWWWWW will you get F%$KIN REAL..........newly unemployed WAFFLE my ass.....
correct me if im wrong but wasnt it banned altogether????no?

No. You're allowed smoke in designated smoking areas.

/thread

goodgolfer64

aligator_am wrote: »

OK, you haven't replied, so I'm gonna assume that yes meant that there were ashtrays on each table, which would strongly suggest it was a smoking area.

The folks that were eating in this area, did they not notice the ashtrays, did they think it was where they put the remainder of the shrimp when they were done with it?

There are loads of pubs that have a similar setup to what you describe, but what I'm still trying to wrangle my mind around is that folk who could see ashtrays on tables couldn't work out that this was a smoking area, were they dense and somehow think this was the dish that the starters would be served in or something???

you use the word dense!!!! this whole topic has been missed by you.....its not about non smokers its about protect staff who have to serve the area......this was outlawed but appears to have snook back in.....
YES ashtrays were in area...2nd time..

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you use the word dense!!!! this whole topic has been missed by you.....its not about non smokers its about protect staff who have to serve the area......this was outlawed but appears to have snook back in.....
YES ashtrays were in area...2nd time..

2nd time eh? well 1st time was somewhat ambigious to be fair, yes, maybe I shouldn't have used the word dense, but i think my point is fair, if a person went to a table in a cafe / restraunt and saw an ashtray, shouldn't the first thing they assume is that this is the smoking section?

Please understand, by saying dense, I meant no direct attack on you, I'm just annoyed how so many righteous souls there are out there, some of the same folk who would feed their kids with MSG laden food and give them a mobile, the combination of which would likely do a good portion of the damage that smokes would, albeit on different sections of the body, but that's OK as they're just being good parents

Logical Fallacy

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you use the word dense!!!! this whole topic has been missed by you.....its not about non smokers its about protect staff who have to serve the area......this was outlawed but appears to have snook back in.....
YES ashtrays were in area...2nd time..

Do you have any links to the wording of the law around the requirements of staff protection with regard to servicing designated smoking areas?

It's all kind of pointless without that.

JupiterKid

The smoking ban has worked very well IMO.

So what if smokers are given a bit of shelter and facilities while they puff away? There are so many health-fascist busybodies amongst the anti-smoking lobby who would love nothing more than to criminalise smoking. They never seem happy until others are seriously inconvenienced.

It's like Ireland jumped pretty much straight from the Catholic church dominated theocracy which controlled our lives to a new health-fascist PC busybody culture where smoking or eating fast food is viewed with disdain and disgust.:rolleyes:

I say balls to them.

MrStuffins

Terry wrote: »

If you can't accept the fact that people smoke, then perhaps you should get the **** away from us.

I do! I stay where it's illegal to smoke.

Actually, if you can't accept it, then perhaps you should remove yourself from society altogether. Go and find a cave to live in. Live off the land. You'll never be bothered by smokers again.

No i'd rather just live around people who are considerate enough not to blow thier smoke in my face. Smoking and manners don't seem to go well together it seems.

Let me give you a simple analogy that you may understand.
You're obviously quite healthy and frequent restaraunts serving fresh fish and such.
Now picture the fishermen who catch that for your eating pleasure.
They're out off the West coast and a storm hits. It's a given that they all get off the deck in order to save themselves from being thrown overboard.

There's a big sign on the boat. It says "don't go on deck during a storm. It's not very pleasant."
Would you go out on deck?

If you answer yes to that, then maybe you should go and live in a cave.

Your just talking complete bollocks here in fairness.

Let me make this simple for you.
Smoking is banned indoors, but it's not banned outdoors.

What's obvious is that tobacco should be illegal.
Arrogant non-smokers should face the death penalty for being such complete and utter dicks.

Being a dick should result in the death penalty! What a complete and utter load of toss!

This has to be the worst post i've ever seen on Boards. I'll presume you're drunk or high or something so i'll let it slide! Holy Mary!

LighterGuy

It really does annoy me when people moan about smokers. It wasnt enough that they have to smoke outside now. :rolleyes:

citizen_p

Its odd to think when you went to a pub 10 years ago you would come out with your eyes as red as the devils dick and smelling like you were at a bonfire all night....

it is bull**** though that on a night out half or more of your friends stand up and go outside for 20 minutes every hour.

it also brought about the "social smoker"..."oh I don't normally smoke, just when im out"..:rolleyes:

AgileMyth

MrStuffins wrote: »

Er, no! How about you smokers get yor f*cking smoke out of my face while i'm trying to eat!

If you don't like it, go the f*ck away from people who don't wanna be breathing in your second hand cancer!

Don't eat in a smoking area if it bothers you so much. Simple solution.


I have no problem with the smoking ban, in fact I support it. I also support establishments which try to have a decent comfortable smoking area. However what I've noticed, particularly in nightclubs, is that non-smokers like hanging around in the smoking area for some reason. I've lost count of the number of foolish twats that have asked me not to smoke around them...in a designated smoking area!!

Belle Creamy Advisor

Belle Creamy Advisor wrote: »

Non-smokers: Indulging in delusions of immortality and revelling in the deaths of others.

Smokers: Using humour and wit to distract themselves from the fact that they are slowly killing themselves, and spending a fortune in the process.

markievicz

Stuffins, I'm a very courteous smoker, I never smoke around other people whether they smoke or not!Thanks for tarring me with that brush!

From what I've read from the OTC and the OP's first post, I can't see the outdoor place to the breaking the law. The OP says there is a gap in the roof and that the roof is semi solid (which I assume means it can move like a canopy kinda thing- correct me if I'm wrong). The OTC says exceptions to the law are parts of buildings that are partly covered by a roof which can be fixed or movable, as long as 50% of the building is open air. if the roof can be drawn back then its def 50% windows and doors make up part of the 50% aswel.


Also the guidelines which the OTC published alongside the regulations also recommended that businesses make all staff aware of the ban and who to contact if they see someone breaching the ban and that employers are supposed to offer staff advice on how to stop smoking!:rolleyes:

Jesus Wept

Smokers are an aggro smelly coughy bunch. Quit the auld fags.

tallaghtoutlaws

Don't know if anyone posted it but here are the rules:

Outdoor smoking areas

While smoking in an enclosed workplace is forbidden under the law, employers have discretion to provide an outdoor smoking area, subject to the requirements of the law.

The law has defined an outdoor area as:

* A place or premises, or part of a place or premises, that is wholly uncovered by any roof, fixed or mobile.
* An outdoor place or premises that is covered by a roof, so long as not more than 50% of the perimeter (outside) is covered by a wall, windows, gate or similar.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/ban_on_smoking_in_the_workplace_in_ireland.html

OutlawPete

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Don't know if anyone posted it but here are the rules: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/ban_on_smoking_in_the_workplace_in_ireland.html

If those rules were followed to the letter of the law, 80% of the smoking areas in Dublin Pubs & Nightclubs would be in breech of it.

Azureus

I was wondering this before-the 'smoking area' of one of my local clubs is pretty much entirely indoors, fully heated with its own bar/music and only a tiny little strip uncovered (almost definately more than 50% covered ). Im not complaining, Im a non-smoker and even so its one of my fave places in the bar-but as regards 'outdoor/no entertainment'... theyre not going by the rules!

Fratton Fred

I'm a smoker, but I'd like to think I am a considerate one.

I love the smoking ban, but I wish it were extended so that if I take my family to a pub for a meal we don't have to hide indoors on a sunny day to avoid a smokey outside eating area.

I was at the Martello in Bray the other sunday for lunch and there was no way I would eat outside there, it was way too smokey and despite what all the "Smokers rights" people might say, smoking and eating do not mix.

Gulliver

What I can't understand about smoking is the inequality of rights:
Smokers are constantly on about their "right" to smoke.
Non-smoker comes on and mentions their "right" not to smoke.
Cue vilification of non-smokers with the terms nazi, fascist, pc, busybody, challenged (WTF?) etc.

Why does mentioning that one does not like the smell of smoking lead to such vitriol from the smoking community?

Happyman42

Gulliver wrote: »

What I can't understand about smoking is the inequality of rights:
Smokers are constantly on about their "right" to smoke.
Non-smoker comes on and mentions their "right" not to smoke.
Cue vilification of non-smokers with the terms nazi, fascist, pc, busybody, challenged (WTF?) etc.

Why does mentioning that one does not like the smell of smoking lead to such vitriol from the smoking community?

Inequality of rights?????
I pay massive taxes to indulge my very pleasurable habit. SMOKING IS LEGAL.
Yet I cannot smoke in so many places, I am dictated to, demeaned and abused by non-smokers.
We have one place left to smoke in a social set-up, THE DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA or outside.
These are not 'fluid' areas that change when somebody wanders out with their plate of Pavlova....they are designated SMOKING areas.
Non-smokers have NO rights in that area. It's very simple.

Gulliver

Happyman42 wrote: »

Inequality of rights?????
I pay massive taxes to indulge my very pleasurable habit. SMOKING IS LEGAL.
Yet I cannot smoke in so many places, I am dictated to, demeaned and abused by non-smokers.
We have one place left to smoke in a social set-up, THE DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA or outside.
These are not 'fluid' areas that change when somebody wanders out with their plate of Pavlova....they are designated SMOKING areas.
Non-smokers have NO rights in that area. It's very simple.

If there were no outward smell/fumes from smoking do you really think anyone would give a **** what you were doing? If someone vapes beside you, you wouldn't even know they were doing it. You say that you are dictated to, demeaned and abused. It's only in the last couple of years that a non smoker could exercise their right not to breathe smoke in a pub/restaurant, where was the abuse, demeaning and dictation then?

It's your life and I'm happy you get pleasure from it. God knows there's little enough pleasure out there these days. You just have to realise that there is a tangible result from partaking of this habit in public and some people don't get pleasure from that. Can't a person just not like smoking without being the devil incarnate?:)

Happyman42

Gulliver wrote: »

If there were no outward smell/fumes from smoking do you really think anyone would give a **** what you were doing? If someone vapes beside you, you wouldn't even know they were doing it.

Yes they would give a ****...because the smoking legislation has given a uniform to holier than though officious twats.
I remmeber working in GMIT and I went outside for a smoke, not realising that the 'entire' grounds are non smoking. I was soon disturbed by a twat on the second floor, (behind plate glass) furiously banging the window and gesturing for me to put out my ciggie. He got gestured back to!
We have them on this thread too...those who want to exercise their 'moral authority' :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Gulliver wrote: »

You say that you are dictated to, demeaned and abused. It's only in the last couple of years that a non smoker could exercise their right not to breathe smoke in a pub/restaurant, where was the abuse, demeaning and dictation then?

I am a considerate smoker and most people are, I never saw anybody insist on smoking if they were asked to stop. Non-smokers usually just moved away or didn't go to pubs...now they want to stop me in DSA's!!....but the DSA's are ours, forgive me for being protective.

El Weirdo

Where is the rule that says that no entertainment can be provided in a designated smoking area? Have I missed it?

And if it is there, what the fuck is it there for?

xzanti

I'm a staunch non smoker, can't stand it.. but I wouldn't begrudge the smokers a bit of comfort.. as long as they're away from me and I can't smell it, I don't care.

iPlop

xzanti wrote: »

I'm a staunch non smoker, can't stand it.. but I wouldn't begrudge the smokers a bit of comfort.. as long as they're away from me and I can't smell it, I don't care.

Would you have a problem with someone vaping beside you? You can see what looks like smoke but it's odourless and is just vapour.

h57xiucj2z946q

Lots of angry people in this thread hehe.

Oh a side note, do people thing cigarette smoke has a significant impact on pollution or after hours weary topic of global warming?

WIZE

I dont get this thread

Is the OP complaining about people Smoking in a Smoking area of a Cafe where Customers can Dine also ?

Happyman42

WIZE wrote: »

I dont get this thread

Is the OP complaining about people Smoking in a Smoking area of a Cafe where Customers can Dine also ?

Yep! :rolleyes:

AgileMyth

WIZE wrote: »

Is the OP complaining about people Smoking in a Smoking area of a Cafe where Customers can Dine also ?

Yes thats how I read it. He wants smoking banned in places that serve food, which it has been. He also wants smoking banned in the smoking area of such places, which is retarded