Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

goodgolfer64

Was at cafe in donabate today and was shocked to see an outer dining area where food was been served!!!now there was tiny gaps in the canvas on the sides (but had semi solid ceiling and had fixed doors) but it was still somewhat smoke filled as large crowd dining there....I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I remember when the law came in and a stubborn officer came to a bar I managed and went crazy at our cover shed which had with 3 missings sides....seems madness now looking at other smoking areas...

goodgolfer64

there was to be no entertainment,TV, dining or even drink service provided to these smoking areas....now look at how bars/restaurants have stretched em.......

bleg

Meh, so what?

Eric Cartman

you non smokers can all just go f*ck off, im in favour of the smoking ban as i was sick of all yee whinging , now your whinging about me being outside too, just leave us alone to smoke, if you dont like it dont go/work/eat there

Jimmy Garlic

Stupid law anyway..

phasers

ah so what, the smokers can sit in their area and smoke, and non smokers can sit in the lovely non smoking area. Everyone wins.

goodgolfer64

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you non smokers can all just go f*ck off, im in favour of the smoking ban as i was sick of all yee whinging , now your whinging about me being outside too, just leave us alone to smoke, if you dont like it dont go/work/eat there

hardly outside if you got a roof door and windows???
the law was to protect workers from smoke related diseases and save the governments ass in case of future legal suits...........errrrrrrr meh so what.....

MrStuffins

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you non smokers can all just go f*ck off, im in favour of the smoking ban as i was sick of all yee whinging , now your whinging about me being outside too, just leave us alone to smoke, if you dont like it dont go/work/eat there

Er, no! How about you smokers get yor f*cking smoke out of my face while i'm trying to eat!

If you don't like it, go the f*ck away from people who don't wanna be breathing in your second hand cancer!

Da Shins Kelly

Who cares? It's a stupid law anyway. Listen to Bill Hicks.

Jimmy Garlic

MrStuffins wrote: »

Er, no! How about you smokers get yor f*cking smoke out of my face while i'm trying to eat!

If you don't like it, go the f*ck away from people who don't wanna be breathing in your second hand cancer!

How about you get your unbearable sanctimony out of our faces while we are trying to smoke.

MrStuffins

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Who cares? It's a stupid law anyway. Listen to Bill Hicks.

Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

Sweet!

ball

I'm a non-smoker and I can't stand the smell of tobacco when I'm trying to eat my dinner.

And for that reason, I don't eat my dinner in the smoking area.

MrStuffins

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

How about you get your unbearable sanctimony out of our faces while we are trying to smoke.

No problrm, I wont need to if you obey the law of the land and smoke where you're supposed to!

Or do you think you should get to pick and choose which laws to obey because you happen to be a drug addict?

4zn76tysfajdxp

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

Sweet!

Non-smokers: Indulging in delusions of immortality and revelling in the deaths of others.

MrStuffins

Belle Creamy Advisor wrote: »

Non-smokers: Indulging in delusions of immortality and revelling in the deaths of others.

My post did neither of those things so I have no idea why you quoted me!

Jimmy Garlic

MrStuffins wrote: »

No problrm, I wont need to if you obey the law of the land and smoke where you're supposed to!

Or do you think you should get to pick and choose which laws to obey because you happen to be a drug addict?

You people are just predictable... So smug and self righteous, always banging on about 'the law'.

Logical Fallacy

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

Sweet!

Oddly enough it wasn't cancer that killed Hicks, it was side effects from his treatments that did him in.

You have to remember that chemo and the like are brutal treatments that take a terrible toll on the body...and at the time Hicks was getting such treatments it was basically the medical equivalent of brain surgery with a lump hammer.

Da Shins Kelly

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

Sweet!

Yeah, you should listen to him. At least, like he says, he was cool every last day of his life. And anyway, non-smokers die horrible deaths everyday too. It's not like you're completely immortal because you don't smoke..

drkpower

MrStuffins wrote: »

My post did neither of those things so I have no idea why you quoted me!

Of course not, the exclamation mark and the use of the word 'sweet' suggest otherwise. At least man up and accept the inference your own words create.

Marty McFly

MrStuffins wrote: »

No problrm, I wont need to if you obey the law of the land and smoke where you're supposed to!

Or do you think you should get to pick and choose which laws to obey because you happen to be a drug addict?

Eh you might want get yourself a map and find your way to a specsavers, re-read the original post the op said people eating in the smoking area, therefore they are in the legal area for smoking, if you dont want to eat beside smokers theres this room inside for non smokers to eat in to I know I couldnt believe it either.:rolleyes:

Drug Addict maybe I am. Arsehole?

DublinWriter

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

Yeah, a genius comedian-nay-prophet loved and studied by millions who burned out like a Keroucian Roman Candle at the Christ-like age of 32.

Whereas it seems the ambitions of the herd are to die as non-smoking, grenola-eating accounts-receivable clerks/IT System Testers at 72, dribbling out their last years in an abusive retirement home, neglected by their children and grandchildren.

MrStuffins

drkpower wrote: »

Of course not, the exclamation mark and the use of the word 'sweet' suggest otherwise. At least man up and accept the inference your own words create.

The word "sweet" was meant as sarcasm towards the OP. And in any case, this thread is not about whether smokers think they're immortal. it's about the Smoking Ban and those who choose to ignore it!

I have no idea why people think it's just ok to smoke cigarettes around non-smokers and are surprised when they don't like it. Why? Because you're addicted? If I was addicted to **** and jizzing on and around peoples' faces, I wouldn't be surprised if some folk took exception to that!

goodgolfer64

GIRLS GIRLS....handbags down......

Smokers dont bother me....but where have the HSE examiners who were going round pubs when the first smoking ban came in gone????ensuring that ALL smoking ares were legal???

MrStuffins

DublinWriter wrote: »

Yeah, a genius comedian-nay-prophet loved and studied by millions who burned out like a Keroucian Roman Candle at the Christ-like age of 32.
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I like Bill Hicks, but I just facepalmed so hard here!

strobe

MrStuffins wrote: »

No problrm, I wont need to if you obey the law of the land and smoke where you're supposed to!

Or do you think you should get to pick and choose which laws to obey because you happen to be a drug addict?

But they were smoking where they were supposed to... From what the OP says it is a poorly constructed smoking area in that it doesn't have enough ventilation but it is presumably to legal standards if the state haven't asked them to alter it. What law were the smokers picking and choosing to follow exactly?

Eric Cartman

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

GIRLS GIRLS....handbags down......

Smokers dont bother me....but where have the HSE examiners who were going round pubs when the first smoking ban came in gone????ensuring that ALL smoking ares were legal???

they died , from smoking

MrStuffins

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Eh you might want get yourself a map and find your way to a specsavers, re-read the original post the op said people eating in the smoking area,

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

Was at cafe in donabate today and was shocked to see an outer dining area where food was been served!!!

Er..... iron much?

DublinWriter

MrStuffins wrote: »

I like Bill Hicks, but I just facepalmed so hard here!

Youtube his 'life is just a ride' spiel and tell me that he wasn't a prophetic being.

Logical Fallacy

MrStuffins wrote: »

The word "sweet" was meant as sarcasm towards the OP. And in any case, this thread is not about whether smokers think they're immortal. it's about the Smoking Ban and those who choose to ignore it!

I have no idea why people think it's just ok to smoke cigarettes around non-smokers and are surprised when they don't like it. Why? Because you're addicted? If I was addicted to **** and jizzing on and around peoples' faces, I wouldn't be surprised if some folk took exception to that!

I didn't see anything in the OP that said people were ignoring the smoking ban though. I thought the smoking ban applied to smoking indoors and in non ventilated area's? Anyone who wants to fill me in on this, feel free.

Sure you noticed that many restaurants, pubs and cafes started putting cheap patio furniture out on the street so people could sit there and have a smoke?

TheZohanS

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they died , from smoking

Passive smoking.

Non-smokers stop inhaling our smoke and go buy your own, I'm sick of you leeches, afraid to light up yet you hang around us smokers hoping to inhale some sweet amber nicotine. Enough is enough!!

MrStuffins

DublinWriter wrote: »

Youtube his 'life is just a ride' spiel and tell me that he wasn't a prophetic being.

No

Da Shins Kelly

MrStuffins wrote: »

this thread is not about whether smokers think they're immortal.

In fairness, you started it by bringing up the fact that Bill Hicks is dead, and linking it to his smoking habit..

Chuck Stone

Funny how most folk run to the trenches and start firing at each other instead of digesting the OP properly.

For those who missed it here's the OP's primary concern (as a bar manager?).

I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????





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MrStuffins

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Funny how most folk run to the trenches and start firing at each other instead of digesting the OP properly.

For those who missed it here's the OP's primary concern.

I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????

The place the OP describes sounds like it doesn't even qualify as being "outside". And certainly wouldn't fit the criteria to qualify as a "Smoking Area".

In this case, it should be illegal to smoke there if there are people working!

who the fug

phasers wrote: »

ah so what, the smokers can sit in their area and smoke, and non smokers can sit in the lovely non smoking area. Everyone wins.

No the non smokers keep stalking us

Dudess

Being an atheist, being a non smoker - two things that automatically render a person "smug" apparently...

Logical Fallacy

Dudess wrote: »

Being an atheist, being a non smoker - two things that automatically render a person "smug" apparently...

You forgot being from Cork!:D

Edit : Smoking ban info....http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/ban_on_smoking_in_the_workplace_in_ireland.html

OP, why not report the place if they are breaking the law?

Da Shins Kelly

who the fug wrote: »

No the non smokers keep stalking us

They secretly want to smoke, but are too ashamed to admit it so they just bombard us with all their anti-smoking rhetoric while hanging around us in the smoking area to make themselves feel better as they inhale our secondary smoke.

Chuck Stone

Smokers gonna smoke. I think it's the bar owner/lease holder who is responsible here (for the health of his employees).

If I was working there I'd call the the guy who does the smoking room check ups incognito so the matter could be brought to the attn of my employer.

MrStuffins

Dudess wrote: »

Being an atheist, being a non smoker - two things that automatically render a person "smug" apparently...

Indeed. Someone who doesnt smoke doesnt like breathing other peoples' smoke, it's a fault of their own.

However, people don't like a guy punching them in the face, and it's the puncher's fault!

Little Acorn

Just because food was being served there doesn't mean it wasn't also the designated smoking area.
Infact nearly all outdoor dining areas I see also have ashtrays on some of the tables, and more if requested, simply because it is their only smoking area.
So I don't see how it is correct to say "god damn smokers, not smoking where they are meant to be smoking", if they are infact smoking in a smoking area that was provided by the establishment.
If the smoking area does not conform to the smoking area rules and how it affects employees etc., then that is an issue for the management to fix, and is not the fault of people who happen to be just using the smoking area that was provided to them.

goodgolfer64

MrStuffins wrote: »

The place the OP describes sounds like it doesn't even qualify as being "outside". And certainly wouldn't fit the criteria to qualify as a "Smoking Area".

In this case, it should be illegal to smoke there if there are people working!

look i was shocked to see it too....its coats cafe (i think its called) across from supervalue in donabate.....its not outside...like an extended conservatory added at back.....

FrancieBrady

This was a 'smoking area'.
I am a smoker and I have no idea what defines a 'smoking area'. I just ask where the 'smoking area' is when I enter a premises or I follow the signs, safe in the knowledge that only the illiterate or challenged non smokers will be able to figure out where the SMOKING AREA is too. But even the illiterate and challenged will generally know what that area is, what with the delicious smell of nicotine hanging around in whitish wisps and the white stick like things in people mouths.
In my life, if I don't like what somebody is doing, I move away from them, I don't seek them out or confront them. People with no joy in their lives generally shorten my life so I move away from them to. Must always avoid anything that shortens my life.

Chuck Stone

Dudess wrote: »

Being an atheist, being a non smoker - two things that automatically render a person "smug" apparently...

The 'evangelical' ones are insufferable bastards in fairness.

I say this as an atheist and ex-smoker.

MrStuffins

Little Acorn wrote: »

Just because food was being served there doesn't mean it wasn't also the designated smoking area.
Infact nearly all outdoor dining areas I see also have ashtrays on some of the tables, and more if requested, simply because it is their only smoking area.
So I don't see how it is correct to say "god damn smokers, not smoking where they are meant to be smoking", if they are infact smoking in a smoking area that was provided by the establishment.
If the smoking area does not conform to the smoking area rules and how it affects employees etc., then that is an issue for the management to fix, and is not the fault of people who happen to be just using the smoking area that was provided to them.

Just because the management are the enforcers here.............

The owner, manager or person in charge of the workplace is legally responsible for ensuring that the ban on smoking in the workplace is complied with...

does not mean that the individual is not breaking the law

Any person found guilty of breaching the ban on smoking in the workplace may be subject to a fine of up to €3,000.

bleg

Report them and add an extra expense to a business that is struggling through a depression.

who the fug

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The 'evangelical' ones are insufferable bastards in fairness.

I say this as an atheist and ex-smoker.

but are u teetotal

Logical Fallacy

MrStuffins wrote: »

Just because the management are the enforcers here.............

does not mean that the individual is not breaking the law

But, no offence to the OP, if people are willing to witness the law being broken but not inform the proper authorities...well, it renders their arguments practically moot.

"Why won't every but me take steps to solve this social issue????"

Chuck Stone

who the fug wrote: »

but are u teetotal

Nope. Love my beer.

Trying to 'work off' the results of my love actually - too much love is a bad thing

MrStuffins

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

But, no offence to the OP, if people are willing to witness the law being broken but not inform the proper authorities...well, it renders their arguments practically moot.

"Why won't every but me take steps to solve this social issue????"

It's not as easy as that though.

"I saw someone stealing a bike today but didnt report it" doesnt equal "It's grand if we all steal bikes!"

Logical Fallacy

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's not as easy as that though.

"I saw someone stealing a bike today but didnt report it" doesnt equal "It's grand if we all steal bikes!"

Of course it is, you only need to worry about yourself and what your own words and actions endorse. That's it.

All the OP has to do is ring the right people and say "There is a place of business with a "smoking area" that contravenes the definition of such that needs to be investigated."

The right person shows up the check it out, decides if the law has been breached and hands out the relevant fines etc.

End of story.