Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

MungBean

Happyman42 wrote: »

if you can't bring your children to a public park because of the 'smokers' then you are to be pitied, not argued with.

Who says I cant do anything ? I'm to be pitied because I dont want my kids inhaling smoke ? Your the one to be pitied mate as you lack sufficient intelligence to read a few posts and understand what the conversation is about. Its not about not being able to do anything its about why smokers have the right to smoke in certain places.

ROCKMAN

Ye sat there laughing, nice and warm inside all winter long... happy to see us freeze your nuts off outside, and now we have a bit of good weather ye are laying claim to outside as well ,,well f*ck off ,if the beer garden smoke area was not good enough for ye in November/January why should we move aside for ye in June/July....

Piss off back inside yer not welcome out here with the cool kids .......

dark crystal

Skunkle wrote: »

Who says I cant do anything ? I'm to be pitied because I dont want my kids inhaling smoke ? Its not about not being able to do anything its about why smokers have the right to smoke in certain places.

How on earth are your kids inhaling cigarette smoke in the wide open space of a park?

Smokers have the right to smoke outdoors, it's the law of the land. If you don't agree with it, take it up with the government who passed that law. The smokers themselves aren't doing anything wrong.

Gulliver

Skunkle wrote: »

What are you on about?

Skunkle, they're winding you up and you're falling right into their "non-smokers are all crazy" trap. I agree it's strange, even unbelievable, that you can buy such an addictive drug legally, but drink is the same. As long as there's VAT to be got and profit to be made, it won't change. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

In the meantime, maybe we should build a few smokatoriums :pac:

MungBean

dark crystal wrote: »

How on earth are your kids inhaling cigarette smoke in the wide open space of a park?

Smokers have the right to smoke outdoors, it's the law of the land. If you don't agree with it, take it up with the government who passed that law. The smokers themselves aren't doing anything wrong.

Once again read a bit before replying. I know the law, I'm questioning the RIGHT and not the people.

MungBean

Gulliver wrote: »

Skunkle, they're winding you up and you're falling right into their "non-smokers are all crazy" trap. I agree it's strange, even unbelievable, that you can buy such an addictive drug legally, but drink is the same. As long as there's VAT to be got and profit to be made, it won't change. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

In the meantime, maybe we should build a few smokatoriums :pac:

I'm not sure they are winding me up, I think they are all so desperate to justify their addictions they throw logic and reason out the window. Likin them smokatoriums though.

Plautus

As a smoker, being conscientious towards those that don't smoke seems uncontroversial. Being told however that I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in the open air lest a scintilla of cancer-causing smoke reach some precious children? When smoke dissipates fairly quickly in the open air?

That's a bit rich. That and trying to ban smoking outright. Smokers in the UK subsidise their health costs on the NHS twice over through cigarette excise. I'd imagine the figures are similar here.

I can appreciate when Dudess says that not everyone who dislikes smoke is ipso facto a smug git but there are some people in this thread playing to beat the band ... Look skunkle, we know you think you're the superior being with 'logic' and 'reason'; then perhaps you'd be receptive to the general wisdom that prohibition informed by puritanical sentiments like yours has never been seen to work.

Sure smoking is addictive. It's also enjoyable. Particularly cigars - so I find.

decisions

If we were not smoking cigarettes/ If they were banned altogether, how much would a litre of petrol cost...?

ball

decisions wrote: »

If we were not smoking cigarettes/ If they were banned altogether, how much would a litre of petrol cost...?

Don't you start!

MungBean

Plautus wrote: »

As a smoker, being conscientious towards those that don't smoke seems uncontroversial. Being told however that I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in the open air lest a scintilla of cancer-causing smoke reach some precious children? When smoke dissipates fairly quickly in the open air?

That's a bit rich. That and trying to ban smoking outright. Smokers in the UK subsidise their health costs on the NHS twice over through cigarette excise. I'd imagine the figures are similar here.

I can appreciate when Dudess says that not everyone who dislikes smoke is ipso facto a smug git but there are some people in this thread playing to beat the band ... Look skunkle, we know you think you're the superior being with 'logic' and 'reason'; then perhaps you'd be receptive to the general wisdom that prohibition informed by puritanical sentiments like yours has never been seen to work.

Sure smoking is addictive. It's also enjoyable. Particularly cigars - so I find.

Yes of course I'm smug and arrogant because I use reason and logic to deduce that smoking something that comes in a packet that states that it is dangerous to your health and the health of those around you is not a good thing. There is nothing I have said that can be seen as arrogant. I have stated time and time again that my argument is about the RIGHT and not people. Yet each time along comes someone too lazy to read an actual post, labels me arrogant or smug and then sets about justifying their addiction.


I'm done with this thread as there is no debate, only insults and self justification. Good day.

Marty McFly

Skunkle wrote: »

Yes of course I'm smug and arrogant because I use reason and logic to deduce that smoking something that comes in a packet that states that it is dangerous to your health and the health of those around you is not a good thing. There is nothing I have said that can be seen as arrogant. I have stated time and time again that my argument is about the RIGHT and not people. Yet each time along comes someone too lazy to read an actual post, labels me arrogant or smug and then sets about justifying their addiction.


I'm done with this thread as there is no debate, only insults and self justification. Good day.

RIGHt in your eyes clear that up first, plus I read all your posts as did many on here and all came to the same conclusion of you. When you have a disagreement with one person maybe just maybe its not you, but when your attitude has irked so many people on here there really is only one conclusion you can come to at the end of the day.

I didnt throw insults in your direction it was you who insulted smokers I tried to have a constructive argument with you but you were clearly unable to do that.

Now I say thank god your going good riddance to yeh. Heres hoping I never cross paths with you again.

Plautus

Skunkle wrote: »

Yes of course I'm smug and arrogant because I use reason and logic to deduce that smoking something that comes in a packet that states that it is dangerous to your health and the health of those around you is not a good thing. There is nothing I have said that can be seen as arrogant. I have stated time and time again that my argument is about the RIGHT and not people. Yet each time along comes someone too lazy to read an actual post, labels me arrogant or smug and then sets about justifying their addiction.


I'm done with this thread as there is no debate, only insults and self justification. Good day.

There's no need for the persecution complex. I can comprehend perfectly what you're saying and I'm giving you my opinion as to why I think a complete prohibition of smoking is illiberal, unfair and unlikely to work.

You stopped being guided by evidence or reason a long time ago if you think banning smoking makes sense. It doesn't. Should it be restricted? Yes. And it is. Where is the evidence of second-hand smoke carcinogenesis in public parks with children up-wind? My opinion is that it's bloody unlikely; but if you've got better knowledge of the up-to-date literature then be my guest. I for one wouldn't be smoking next to the playground. Common sense and all that.

Of course smoking has deleterious health effects. It'd be foolish to pretend otherwise. What you can't quite understand though is that it is enjoyable. And there are also light-smokers, such as a guy who might buy a cigar every once in a while. Smoking is addictive but not all smokers are addicts.

And I wasn't insulting you. If anything you alleging that, as a smoker, I lack logic or reason was what I found to be tremendously insulting (and pompous) in this thread.

LighterGuy

if I wanna smoke when I'm drinking. I go outside. Its the law and hey if someone doesnt want me smoking around them... fair enough. I'll take it outside.

If however someone OUTSIDE says "stop smoking" they can truly pi*s the f**k off.

citizen_p

I hate when people try to impose their will on to others over such trivial matters...

he/she is smoking in a hut, with fixed doors and windows, so what you don't smoke, you have a whole pub of smoke free air in which to frolic and breath, you've already got them put out, why does it matter what they sit in when they have a ciggerette.


also, no, I don't smoke

Gulliver

LighterGuy wrote: »

if I wanna smoke when I'm drinking. I go outside. Its the law and hey if someone doesnt want me smoking around them... fair enough. I'll take it outside.

If however someone OUTSIDE says "stop smoking" they can truly pi*s the f**k off.

I want a go at this rage malarky.

"If I'm outside enjoying the sun and a smoker lights up beside me they can truly pi*s the f**k off."

Several beatings later...

"Sorry, I didn't realise I was in your area. No, I'll never speak to you like that again. Yes, you are the coolest. I'll hobble back inside now"

Happyman42

Skunkle wrote: »

Who says I cant do anything ?

You said it.

Skunkle wrote: »

Newsflash there Doc. Anything that says on the packet "may harm people around you" I dont want around me. Its that simple. Whether it takes 5 million fags or not I dont want that **** near me or near my children, it may increase their risk of getting cancer or increase the chance theat they will smoke themselves. Should your right to pollute yourself supersede my childs right to stand in a park and breath fresh air ? no it shouldnt and the fact that you defend it shows your lack of interest in anyone other than yourself. Other toxins come from necessary industry. Cigarettes only do one thing, feed a habit. **** can be addictive, non harmful to other people around. Yet do you think that someone should have the right to do it in public ? Of course not you wouldnt like that, because your all about what you want to do regardless of how it affects others.

There are lots of things I 'endure' because it is basic humanity to do so. There are lots of things that might or might not impinge on my health, I live my life with as much joy as I can. I live and let live to a large degree. I take risks because 20 extra years watching the likes of you arrogantly bouncing around a nursing home doesn't hold a huge attraction for me.
Wrapping children in cotton wool is a form of abuse in my book too. Lighten up, don't be so manipulated by self perpetuating agencies of doom, like H&S.

Gulliver

Happyman42 wrote: »

You said it.



There are lots of things I 'endure' because it is basic humanity to do so. There are lots of things that might or might not impinge on my health, I live my life with as much joy as I can. I live and let live to a large degree. I take risks because 20 extra years watching the likes of you arrogantly bouncing around a nursing home doesn't hold a huge attraction for me.
Wrapping children in cotton wool is a form of abuse in my book too. Lighten up, don't be so manipulated by self perpetuating agencies of doom, like H&S.

You've never seen anyone die from lung cancer. Let me tell you, you gotta see it. It's f*cking hilarious! They're laughing, reminiscing about the good old days, cracking jokes. Man I was never so happy as to see my uncle there in the hospice, bouncing around the bed, not a bother on him, hollering and whooping, then *BAM* gone like a light, no pain, with a smile on his happy face.

That's how I remember it anyway.

Happyman42

Gulliver wrote: »

You've never seen anyone die from lung cancer. Let me tell you, you gotta see it. It's f*cking hilarious! They're laughing, reminiscing about the good old days, cracking jokes. Man I was never so happy as to see my uncle there in the hospice, bouncing around the bed, not a bother on him, hollering and whooping, then *BAM* gone like a light, no pain, with a smile on his happy face.

That's how I remember it anyway.

And your point is?
I know the risks, as somebody who flies, drives, walks across the f***ing road knows the risks.
Are you gonna tell me non-smokers don't get cancer?

Gulliver

Happyman42 wrote: »

And your point is?
I know the risks, as somebody who flies, drives, walks across the f***ing road knows the risks.
Are you gonna tell me non-smokers don't get cancer?

I was just pointing out that it'll be a fun time. Of course non-smokers don't get cancer, how can a holier than thou being fall foul to such a thing?

They also don't die in plane, car or pedestrian accidents.

Cú Giobach

Skunkle wrote: »

Newsflash there Doc. Anything that says on the packet "may harm people around you" I dont want around me. Its that simple. Whether it takes 5 million fags or not I dont want that **** near me or near my children, it may increase their risk of getting cancer or increase the chance theat they will smoke themselves. Should your right to pollute yourself supersede my childs right to stand in a park and breath fresh air ? no it shouldnt and the fact that you defend it shows your lack of interest in anyone other than yourself. Other toxins come from necessary industry. Cigarettes only do one thing, feed a habit. **** can be addictive, non harmful to other people around. Yet do you think that someone should have the right to do it in public ? Of course not you wouldnt like that, because your all about what you want to do regardless of how it affects others.

Your irrational ranting greatly amuses me.

Fratton Fred

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm a smoker, but I'd like to think I am a considerate one.

I love the smoking ban, but I wish it were extended so that if I take my family to a pub for a meal we don't have to hide indoors on a sunny day to avoid a smokey outside eating area.

I was at the Martello in Bray the other sunday for lunch and there was no way I would eat outside there, it was way too smokey and despite what all the "Smokers rights" people might say, smoking and eating do not mix.

Fuk that. If you send smokers outside every day of the year, they belong outside.. What should they do when it's sunny? Have a stroll down the road?

Pandora2

Ye are lovin this little skirmish aren't ye:D