Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

Happyman42

Gulliver wrote: »

Well, if there was no smoking, they would have to be making the bread out of something costly like tobacco, oil or gold for it to cost €20. There's no way it would rise to that level as our healthcare system would have less strain on it, even if people did live longer.

Ha ha...good one...the Health service gets cheaper in Ireland....right! You're a gag!

drkpower

MrStuffins wrote: »

it's not important what 'm in favour of, the law is the law!

You were very happy earlier on to preach about how people shouldnt be allowed to blow smoke in your direction; but now, you dont seem to want to give your view.

If your answer is 'the law is the law', were you in favour, pre-2003, of smoking in pubs?

Gulliver

Happyman42 wrote: »

Ha ha...good one...the Health service gets cheaper in Ireland....right! You're a gag!

Oh noes, I meant that the system would have achieved a different state of equilibrium that didn't rely on tax from smoking and €20 loaves of bread.

Cheaper healthcare? I'm not as stupid as I look... wait..

Happyman42

Gulliver wrote: »

Oh noes, I meant that the system would have achieved a different state of equilibrium that didn't rely on tax from smoking and €20 loaves of bread.

Cheaper healthcare? I'm not as stupid as I look... wait..

So why doesn't the Gov ban it outright.....surely that is the moral imperative?

Pete M.

Dudess wrote: »

Being an atheist, being a non smoker - two things that automatically render a person "smug" apparently...

But you couldn't help being smug as a smoking agnostic. I know.

Smoking where you are drinking while on the beer is just how it should be is all.

Wouldn't necessarily want to smoke where folks were eating though.

R P McMurphy

Sink The Banana wrote: »

I smoke electronic cigarettes which is just vapour and are odourless.I've been smoking these since July 2010, I still get people coming over to me telling me to put my cig out even when I've been given permission from the bar manager.

I don't mind though because it gives me time to explain what it is and how it works.

Next time it happens, push the top of it into their hand

Gulliver

Happyman42 wrote: »

So why doesn't the Gov ban it outright.....surely that is the moral imperative?

The only way to work the ban would be not to allow any person with a smoking related disease treatment in the public health system to offset the loss of tax. That wouldn't go down well.

It's too late for a complete ban. What we need are rebel smokers who are so rebellious that they stick it to "the man" by quitting. That'll show them and their tax. Fight the power!!!!

Terry

MrStuffins wrote: »

Er, no! How about you smokers get yor f*cking smoke out of my face while i'm trying to eat!

If you don't like it, go the f*ck away from people who don't wanna be breathing in your second hand cancer!

If you can't accept the fact that people smoke, then perhaps you should get the **** away from us.
Actually, if you can't accept it, then perhaps you should remove yourself from society altogether. Go and find a cave to live in. Live off the land. You'll never be bothered by smokers again.

Let me give you a simple analogy that you may understand.
You're obviously quite healthy and frequent restaraunts serving fresh fish and such.
Now picture the fishermen who catch that for your eating pleasure.
They're out off the West coast and a storm hits. It's a given that they all get off the deck in order to save themselves from being thrown overboard.

There's a big sign on the boat. It says "don't go on deck during a storm. It's not very pleasant."
Would you go out on deck?

If you answer yes to that, then maybe you should go and live in a cave.

Let me make this simple for you.
Smoking is banned indoors, but it's not banned outdoors.
If you visit a place serving food, then you can be guaranteed that people will be smoking outside.

This might be all new to you, but it happens all over this island. Honestly. It really does.
I know that you might be shocked by this revelation, but it's true.

MrStuffins wrote: »

So angry, relax the cacks and have a smoke.

Now the answer, it's because if smoking just harmed the smoker, then fine! Do what you want! But it doesn't. therefore, the non-smokers shouldn't have to suffer just because some people are so stupid to take up such a ridiculous habit as smoking!

it's pretty obvious if you think about it no?

What's obvious is that tobacco should be illegal.
Arrogant non-smokers should face the death penalty for being such complete and utter dicks.

goodgolfer64

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

drkpower

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!

You are dead right. Every (decent) smoking area I have ever seen is in contravention of the Regs, as far as I can see.

• A place or premises, or part of a place or premises, that is wholly uncovered by any roof, fixed or mobile.
• An outdoor place or premises that is covered by a roof, so long as not more than 50% of the perimeter (outside) is covered by a wall, windows, gate or similar.

iPlop

Terry wrote: »

Now picture the fishermen who catch that for your eating pleasure.

I have to stop eating when someone is eating fish beside me, it makes me vomit, there should be a fish eating room outside ,it's fúcking disgusting ,and I'm serious.

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

Was at cafe in donabate today and was shocked to see an outer dining area where food was been served!!!now there was tiny gaps in the canvas on the sides (but had semi solid ceiling and had fixed doors) but it was still somewhat smoke filled as large crowd dining there....I Thought the smoking ban was to protect employees????
I remember when the law came in and a stubborn officer came to a bar I managed and went crazy at our cover shed which had with 3 missings sides....seems madness now looking at other smoking areas...

OP, not sure if anyone has asked or not, but this outdoor dining area, did each table have an ashtray on it? or were the smoking folk just stamping their ciggies out on the floor?

Luxie

Gulliver wrote: »

LOL :pac:

why in ah of all places is sarcasm so ignored?

mikemac

Worked in a hotel in the beautiful Co. Tipp

During the rare sunny summer days, people would take their carvary meals out to the beer garden.

And then I had to field complaints about smoking in the beer garden when food was being served

G'wanouttadat! As a barman I was in favour of the smoking ban but give the smokers some peace and let them enjoy the beer garden

goodgolfer64

aligator_am wrote: »

OP, not sure if anyone has asked or not, but this outdoor dining area, did each table have an ashtray on it? or were the smoking folk just stamping their ciggies out on the floor?

yes

Terry

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

Insert large font:

Don't go to the smoking area. People will be smoking there.
If it's outside the main building, then it's usually a smoking area.
To think otherwise would be idiotic.

Logical Fallacy

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

Of course the country is a joke, it's filled with tossers who give out about **** on the internet but appear to lack the mental wherewithal to offer solutions to problems.

goodgolfer64

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

Pete M.

mikemac wrote: »

Worked in a hotel in the beautiful Co. Tipp

During the rare sunny summer days, people would take their carvary meals out to the beer garden.

And then I had to field complaints about smoking in the beer garden when food was being served

As a barman I was in favour of the smoking ban but give the smokers some peace and let them enjoy the beer garden

Jaysus!! Common sense :eek:

G'wanouttadat indeed

aligator_am

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

yes

Yes there were ashtrays on each table or yes the smokers were stamping their smokes out on the floor?

Sorry, not trying to be a pedantic poxbottle, just wasn't sure which question your answer was aimed at

Happyman42

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

For ALL THOSE hacking each other about smoking,heroin,cost of bread,car fumes????

I was trying to bring to your attention how regulation brought in 2003 is now is freefall!!!!
country a joke

It's one of the things I love about this country...we found a workaround for this ridiculous law. I can take you to several pubs who don't enforce this to the letter of the law...safe in the knowledge that after 5pm the likelihood of being caught is slim....because of overtime bans, staff shortages etc...now that's an Irish solution for you.
I have no problem with the idea of smoke free restaurants, and I prefer them, but the draconian, holier than thou, way this was implemented in pubs was anti-mine and others human rights. There where loads of ways this could have been done differently, had basic respect for me and others existed.
Somebody chooses to climb a mountain and dies....that's fine. I choose to smoke, legally bought cigarettes. I'm not going to be made a second class citizen because I do.

Pete M.

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

How did they protect them the first time?

Monty Burnz

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If you knew anything about the guy, you'd realise he didn't give a fúck. He made his own choice and he faced his own consequences.

I'm sure that was a great consolation to him as he died in misery. Such a waste.

mikemac

During the cold winter evenings, the non smokers are happy to see the smokers banished to the freezing cold beer garden for their smoke
During the warm sunny days, the non smokers start complaining about the smokers in the beer garden :rolleyes:

Come on, be reasonable here!

@goodgolfer64, give the large fonts a rest

The Left Hand Of God

Give me smokers over "Beer" farts inside a pub any day.

OP you are right, it is a joke. Not for the people who don't smoke who go into them but for the staff that the law is supposed to protect.

You only have to go to the Half Way house in Walkinstown to see how big a joke it is.

"Outside" me arse.

I'm a smoker by the way. I blew somoke at all MrStuffins posts in this thread :P

iPlop

Let's have a fish eating ban ,no scuttery breath allowed and under no circumstances ,NO BELCHING!!!!


I fúcking hate fish breath wafting down wind at me:mad: ,You guys need to be outside

goodgolfer64

mikemac wrote: »

During the cold winter evenings, the non smokers are happy to see the smokers banished to the freezing cold beer garden for their smoke
During the warm sunny days, the non smokers start complaining about the smokers in the beer garden :rolleyes:

Come on, be reasonable here!

@goodgolfer64, give the large fonts a rest

for starter m8t...im on about staff servicing smoking areas...where they are subject to a semi smoke filled environment....this is contrary to the smoking ban in the first place....

yes - ashtrays in smoking area

Pete M. wrote: »

How did they protect them the first time?

troll

Logical Fallacy

goodgolfer64 wrote: »

you need get out a bit terry!!!with 22k posts.....
smoking ban was to protect staff.....for the second time

lol, obvious newb move to comment on post count.

And the large text is boring.

Do you have anything to offer with regard to solutions or are you just gonna repeat the non-smoking equivalent of "won't somebody think of the children?"

For homework tonight i suggest returning to the establishment and finding out if the management direct customer to smoke there and refer to it as a "smoking area".

It will help clear the whole thing up pretty quickly.

Da Shins Kelly

Nothing smokers ever do to reduce the extent to which their smoking seems to annoy some people will ever be enough. Some people are just colossal d*cks and are never gonna be happy regardless of what's done short of banning tobacco outright, which is ridiculous and should never be enforced.

Da Shins Kelly

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Ah yes, the great, late Bill Hicks.

From Wikipedia...

Read over the previous posts. We've discussed Bill Hicks' death already. He probably wouldn't have given a f*ck what you thought (or any of us) anyway.