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What would you do if this was your child?

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    #92
    dj jarvis
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    And so it begins

    Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

    And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..


    if the violence is against a small child and its a sadist adult who is supposed to be teaching and protecting , then yes violence a go go

    i would use 2 f1cking ball hammers just to start with

    Any violence against children/the elderly or women i respond with 10 times worse right back at them , no debate

    dont want your head kicked in then dont hit children


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    #93
    previous user
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    Shocking, truly shocking.


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    #94
    Dudess
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    Chairman Meow wrote: »
    Some people need to grow a pair of balls. Jeez i got hit worse than that by teachers in school. It certainly put manners on you and respect for your teachers, it made you hate them alright but you damn well behaved. something kids nowadays are sorely lacking
    Nope. Small children like those in the video should not be physically chastised and humiliated for no reason. You know that perfectly well and appear to be just going against the grain for attention.
    Some kids "nowadays"? There have always been cheeky brats. Except they got the spirit beaten and raped out of them in industrial schools 50 years ago - I for one am glad that's a thing of the past. I don't see any harm in a child's parents delivering the odd smack on the bum if the child is being really badly behaved and every other disciplinary method has been tried, but the kids in the video are not misbehaving, so what exactly is your point...? :confused:
    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Wow... AH siding with the kids and going against the beat-the-crap-out-of-them-that'll-learn-'em mentality!
    Heh, true. :)
    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    Just suggesting you get off the high horse a little when criticizing people expressing the most natural of human reactions. I'd be more concerned about the sociopaths who don't feel strongly about that video.
    So... Because some people would prefer he didn't get his fingers broken one by one/wasn't locked in a room and given a beating every hour, they don't feel strongly about that video?
    A human reaction to me ain't dreaming up systematic torture...


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    #95
    Ghost Buster
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    busyliving wrote: »
    After watching the video, I didn't think it was all that bad he hit them on the palm with a wooden ruler, the pulling of the girls hair was the worst.

    I'm not saying agree with what he did, but I don't agree with some of the responses on here. What he did was wrong, but it wasn't nearly as bad as anything my father endured in a Christian Brothers school.

    I reckon there is a need to reintroduce some sort of corporal punishment in this country if I’m being honest; we are way too soft on people. I mean there are people who are walking the streets with 60+ convictions. I'd say if they got a smack when they did something wrong in school, at a young age it would instil a sense of punishment and teach them that if you do something wrong there are consequences. But it also needs to be carried through on the criminal side, by sending people to jail for proper sentences...none of this good behaviour stuff, how about you behave well so we don't extend your sentence

    /rant
    If the beating of school children was so effective then why do we, according to you now have more badly behaved people than before?.
    Dont you think that just maybe there have been and will always be badly behaved people?
    Perhaps adults beating the ****e out of kids just gives the kids a message that it is ok to beat anyone smaller than you.


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    #96
    Da Shins Kelly
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    That video made me feel slightly sick. If any of those children were mine, I could not be held accountable for my actions.


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    #97
    busyliving
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    If the beating of school children was so effective then why do we, according to you now have more badly behaved people than before?.
    Dont you think that just maybe there have been and will always be badly behaved people?
    Perhaps adults beating the ****e out of kids just gives the kids a message that it is ok to beat anyone smaller than you.

    I understand there is the potential for it to be abused. I'm saying we should return to the old days were it was abused. A rap across the knuckles with a wooden ruler, I don’t mean punches being thrown or anything like that. I'm not saying introduce it for very young kids. More like introduce it in secondary school level.


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    #98
    Show Time
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Just found this on Sky News:

    Very disturbing and distressing video footage, but if anyone my own age or older was edcuated in a Christian Brother's school the very same sh*t was happening here as late as the 80's, in fact I can personally recall treatment that was a lot worse...

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video---Egypt-Teacher-Beats-Children-And-Blames-Revolution-After-Being-Arrested-By-Police/Article/201105416000577?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_16000577_Video_-_Egypt%3A_Teacher_Beats_Children_And_Blames_Revolution_After_Being_Arrested_By_Police
    If he was doing that to my kid i would stick the ruler where the sun don't shine on the cnut.:mad:


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    #99
    Karona
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    I really dont know why people like this become teachers. :mad:
    I had a teacher when i was in 2nd class, she pulled me up to the blackboard by my hair to write out a sentence, she locked another girl in a cupboard and when another girl wanted to use the toilet she wouldnt let her and she ended up wetting herself.

    The teacher was eventually fired and put into a mental hospital. This happened in the 90's.

    I know some people and some people's parents had worse.

    I know if something like that happened to one of my nephews, myself and their mother would be going into that school and ripping that teachers head off. :mad:

    My Mam told me before that she got hit by the cane in school for no reason and my nana went into the school and got the cane and hit the nun they way she hit my mam. Served the bitch right. :D


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    #100
    Biggins
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    busyliving wrote: »
    ...I reckon there is a need to reintroduce some sort of corporal punishment in this country if I’m being honest...

    I don't and here's why (feel free to disagree)

    Allowing a teacher to legally hit your child is playing with fire - prepared to get burned at some stage.
    Supposing you do allow a teacher to hit kids
    - To what level?
    - Who is going to oversee this punishment and level perfectly?
    - Where is the physical line that they do not cross?
    - Those that is carrying out such beatings, who is going to watch over them too and how will they be able to stay TOTALLY impartial? (and they have to be totally if we are talking about kids who can't stand up for themselves as adults should be able to)
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    - Supposing a teacher goes too far and it ends up in court? How are we going to show exactly that they went too far? After all, we supposedly gave them permission to hit our kids! How can we truly cry 'fowl' ?
    - How is a judge supposed to judge a teachers words (who can probably vocalise the previous situation that has gone wrong, better to his/her advantage than a poor beaten and now terrified child would (if the child has survived a teacher maybe having a bad day and/or taking his/her personal problems/stresses out on an innocent victim, soon to be casualty)) ???
    - How are you as a parent, having given permission for your child to be beaten by what is essential a stranger (and god knows what kinks they have or are into behind closed doors!) going to be able to trust 100% that they always use perfect judgement - for if they get even a small part of their judgement wrong, its YOUR child that will further feel the grievous pain, physically and mentally! (add to that that the child will learn or knows already that you gave permission for this stranger to beat them - kids can bare grudges too you know and lord help you when they get bigger and still remember these things!)
    ...There are many more reasons why beatings at the hands of strangers as you would appear to wish back, is wrong in this day and age.

    We should rise in our behavior towards others kids (and our own!), not digress into the actions of a semi-braindead, lesser reasoning knuckle dragging animal when it comes to our children and how they should be treated.
    Allowing full size adults with their usual to be found physical strengths, to beat kids is wrong - TOTALLY wrong in my mind.
    ...But your free to disagree.


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    #101
    Dudess
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    Some older schoolkids are little cunts and absolutely crying out for a smack - however I do not think that is anyone's jurisdiction but that of their parent(s). I think it should be easier to suspend/expel troublesome kids though.


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    #102
    DublinWriter
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    Looks like my class in 1977.

    Oh, by the way, Mr. O'Hallaron, if I ever see you in public again, I will kill you and happily spend my time in the 'joy.


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    #103
    christina_x
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    Couldn't finish watching it. It's just awful. That man deserves to die roaring. They are kids, and as far as I got the two little girls were shaking.


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    #104
    iguana
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    Are most people on this thread mid 30s and over? Corporal punishment was banned by the Department of Education in 1982. Any teacher who physically chastised a student from that point onward was committing gross misconduct and should have been investigated and suspended/fired.


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    #105
    Dudess
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    Going by anecdotes anyway, plenty of it was going on well after 1982.


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    #106
    RachaelVO
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    iguana wrote: »
    Are most people on this thread mid 30s and over? Corporal punishment was banned by the Department of Education in 1982. Any teacher who physically chastised a student from that point onward was committing gross misconduct and should have been investigated and suspended/fired.

    Eh, it's not that. I was NEVER hit in school, and I'm in my 30's. My mam always told us, that if a teacher EVER raised a hand to us we were to walk out and come home. It never arose though.

    I think from my point of view (and many others, whether your 40, 30 or 20), is that we are coming from the point of view that we are parents. I seen MY children in that video. If ANYONE hit my kids like that I'd destroy them in one way or another, and I'd make sure I had a fecking alibi! I don't care whether people may feel I'm overreacting or not, they are my children, and in my care!


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    #107
    Ghost Buster
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    busyliving wrote: »
    I understand there is the potential for it to be abused. I'm saying we should return to the old days were it was abused. A rap across the knuckles with a wooden ruler, I don’t mean punches being thrown or anything like that. I'm not saying introduce it for very young kids. More like introduce it in secondary school level.

    Ummmm. Did you mean that ???:confused::confused::confused:


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    #108
    iguana
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    RachaelVO wrote: »
    Eh, it's not that. I was NEVER hit in school, and I'm in my 30's. My mam always told us, that if a teacher EVER raised a hand to us we were to walk out and come home. It never arose though.

    I think from my point of view (and many others, whether your 40, 30 or 20), is that we are coming from the point of view that we are parents. I seen MY children in that video. If ANYONE hit my kids like that I'd destroy them in one way or another, and I'd make sure I had a fecking alibi! I don't care whether people may feel I'm overreacting or not, they are my children, and in my care!

    I didn't mean that, just that so many people are saying they were hit in school and are even referring to it happening after it was banned. I'm just surprised by it as it was made clear to me as a small child that it was not allowed, that I was not to submit to it and to tell my parents immediately if it happened. I was in 3 primary schools from 1982-1991 and I never once heard of a child being hit in any of them. And I went to a city secondary with kids from all over the place and I never heard of any of them being hit at any point in school. Corporal punishment seemed like something that had been banned forever, not just the year I started school.


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    #109
    Flojo
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    My mother has told me horrible stories about a teacher she had. Mental and physical abuse that has affected her to this day.
    If it was my child, I'd have to make sure no one was around and that I was pretty certain it happened. Last thing I'd want is to end up with a criminal record. I'd be batshít angry but I'd also be smart about it.


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    #110
    Nodin
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    iguana wrote: »
    ........... Corporal punishment seemed like something that had been banned forever, not just the year I started school.

    ...which is why we who are longer in the tooth feel compelled to point out that it wasn't. One day hopefully the Egyptians will be in the same position.


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    iguana
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...which is why we who are longer in the tooth feel compelled to point out that it wasn't. One day hopefully the Egyptians will be in the same position.

    Fair enough from that perspective, but there are a number of posters talking about it happening after it was banned as if that was the norm. It was banned close to 30 years ago.

    For reference;
    This regulation was circulated by John Boland, Minister for Education, Republic of Ireland to all schools on January 26, 1982, and took effect almost immediately, on February 1, 1982.

    1. Teachers should have a lively regard for the improvement and general welfare of their pupils, treat them with kindness combined with firmness and should aim at governing them through their affections and reason and not by harshness and severity. Ridicule, sarcasm or remarks likely to undermine a pupil's self-confidence should not be used in any circumstances.
    2. The use of corporal punishment is forbidden.
    3. Any teacher who contravenes sections (1) or (2) of this rule will be regarded as guilty of conduct unbefitting a teacher and will be subject to severe disciplinary action.


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    Capt'n Midnight
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    Ministry of Social Solidarity :rolleyes:

    Sounds like something from 1984 novel or some backward country with a propaganda division
    We have the Criminal Courts of Justice


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    #113
    HellFireClub
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    We have the Criminal Courts of Justice

    We also have the most airy fairy judicary possibly on the planet, how many times have you read about people in this country being prosecuted for viewing/storing pornographic images of children and them getting a suspended sentence or found not guilty because of some stupid legal technicality???

    If I personally came to find out that someone was harming my kids in the manner that is the subject of thie thread, there is only one thing I know for sure, criminal justice system or not, it's the last time they would harm any child. I'd be f*ked if I was going to trust the criminal justice system, especially in this dump, with the task of sorting out the matter on my behalf.


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    #114
    Dudess
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    RachaelVO wrote: »
    Eh, it's not that. I was NEVER hit in school, and I'm in my 30's. My mam always told us, that if a teacher EVER raised a hand to us we were to walk out and come home. It never arose though.

    I think from my point of view (and many others, whether your 40, 30 or 20), is that we are coming from the point of view that we are parents. I seen MY children in that video. If ANYONE hit my kids like that I'd destroy them in one way or another, and I'd make sure I had a fecking alibi! I don't care whether people may feel I'm overreacting or not, they are my children, and in my care!
    Iguana simply said she was struck by all these examples of corporal punishment that took place after 1982 despite it being banned that year - I can't fathom what else you think she could have meant that caused you to behave so confrontationally towards her. And obviously a parent would lose it if anyone hit their kid(s) but you don't have to be a parent to see how awful it is.


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    #115
    aidan24326
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Some older schoolkids are little cunts and absolutely crying out for a smack - however I do not think that is anyone's jurisdiction but that of their parent(s). I think it should be easier to suspend/expel troublesome kids though.


    No doubt there are troublesome kids who could well do with a clip round the ear or a smack on the arse, but this teacher wasn't just punishing unruly kids, he was bashing all of them like it wss some kind of daily ritual.


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    #116
    Dudess
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    I know.


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    #117
    later12
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    I was never slapped in school but I was in second class in 1994 and I would say slaps were handed out to about two thirds of the class on a regular basis. It was a small, three-teacher school. The teacher was a local woman who apparently had some personal problems and although a few parents objected to it, many seemed to have condoned it.

    Later in fifth and sixth class our principal often showed us blackthorn sticks with which he used to beat unruly pupils in the 60s and 70s, and had no shame about it although he accepted, I think, that he had been wrong to be so violent. He was very honest, and understood that he was known by men of my Dad's generation as a particularly brutal teacher.

    This was in a Church of Ireland school, by the way, so just illustrates that not all of it was long ago and not all of it was perpetrated by Catholic clerics. In many respects the social and educational history of Ireland is simply a very violent one.


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    #118
    DubPsycho
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    And so it begins

    Posters see violence and get understandably angry.

    And the solution it seems is to dream up other inventive methods of violence, a beating every hour or take a hammer to their fingers..

    And what would you do? File a compliant?


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    #119
    southsiderosie
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'm pretty distressed after seeing that video.

    He claims to be using discipline on the kids, but from what I could see, there was no bad behaviour on their parts at all.

    He is clearly a sadist, who derives much enjoyment from inflicting pain on the little ones in his charge.

    I noticed he seemed to take even greater pleasure in beating the little girls.

    My heart goes out to those poor children....can only imagine the fear they feel going to school every day :(

    That was the thing that was so sickening - he seemed to be enjoying himself. And he was much harsher with the girls who were obviously terrified - the one little girl wouldn't even pick up her exercise book. Sad stuff. :(


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    #120
    kelle
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    That was my point, only as recently as the late 1980's, I can recall lads I was in class with being giving serious hidings in class, I can specifically recall one poor lad, (who since committed suicide), being regularly picked up off the ground by the teacher pinching the cheeks of his face and lifting him up in the air by the cheecks of his own face and him screaming in pain in front of a terrified class of primary school kids. Kneeling on pencils was another fav, and standing up the front corner of the class with your arms outstretched holding books and if you dropped your hands due to the weight of the books, you would get an absolute hiding.

    I remember one lad getting battered in class one morning and I mean this guy was bleeding after the hiding he took, and the reason for the assault was because he didn't have his homework done and when the big trial was held into this in the class, it emerged that the poor kid didn't have an exercise book, and when an enquiry was held into why that was so, the lads dad was unemployed and they couldn't afford to get the kids copybooks for school...

    And for that he got bet for half an hour, f*cked over desks and chairs in the class and everything.

    All I'm saying is let's not be too smug here back on Craggy Island because our own parents were all aware of this up 'til as recently as the 80's and were to be often found wanting to confront it I think...

    I read this yesterday and was so overcome I just had to get up and walk away from the PC. All I can say is what an absolute f**kin b*st*rd and I hope he rots in hell.

    I would hope there is a God and that the poor guy who committed suicide is at peace, and the other guy found happiness in some form or other - he probably worried about his parents not making ends meet with no money coming in, then being terrified about school every day.

    I know I dreaded primary school every day, because I never knew what mood my teacher would be in - but she was a pussycat (well, a wicked wild one) compared to the rottweiler you had! Parents knew what they were like, but just laughed it off and to this day still insist they were excellent teachers :eek:

    I know AH is not the place to get emotional, but I can't help imagining these lads could be my son - who thankfully finds it hard to believe punishment like that was once dished out.


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    #121
    Ghost Buster
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    Twould be interesting to know which of us are parents of young kids and which of us are not. I would suspect that those who are horrified at this are parents and the 'arrah some kids need a good slap' squad are not.
    ???


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