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History of rush

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    LeoB wrote: »

    Anyone know or have the words of
    East of Eden

    Theres a seaside town in Eireann and its growing day by day
    Its on the eastern shorelineline and its facing towards Lambay
    Tis there they grow the best of crops the praties and the wheat.......................................

    Its to the tune of the Wearing of the green

    I heard that song about 20years ago at an Annual Mass for deceased members in St. Maurs. The late Pat Butterly from the Cross, a great charachter sang it. For our 75th Anniversary I put togeather a book and this is an extract from it.

    Liverpool 1936
    A remarkable feature of 1936 was a trip undertaken by St. Maurs to visit Liverpool. A lot of Irish workers went there picking potatoes for the harvest season and made their homes there. The city of Liverpool and surrounding countryside had a massive Irish population. The population of Liverpool in 1845 was approx 350,000, by 1852 it was over 700,000 a lot of them Irish people who emigrated during the famine.

    The St. Maurs team would play a match against a team of exiles called Eire Óg. The match was played in Thingwall Park and St. Maurs won by 6...3 to 3..2. Jimmy McMahon scored 5..2 Willie Lynch 1 goal and John McCann1pt.

    The following notice appeared in the evening herald
    St. Maurs G.F.C (Rush)
    The following players are to meet for a special bus Saturday night at 9p.m. FitzGerald 2, Jones 2, Sandes, Clarke, Kane, Leonard, Attley, Lynch, Monks, Butterly, Daly, McMahon, McCann, Gosson, Newcomen.
    Boat leaves North wall at 11pm.

    There were 2 very young players on the trip who both went on to have very distinguished careers with St. Maurs, Pat Butterly and Jackser Newcomen. In 2003 Jackser recalled "how cold it was on the boat going accross, the team spent the night on the deck". Jackser also played a match as a "Guest" who played in a final the next day.

    Great times and just a snippet of the travel arrangments back then. Every player on that trip,except 1 has a relative still playing for St. Maurs .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    The present Rush Harbour has a build date of 1820-1850 with the main build circa 1835. Cameras were still only in the very early stages of development in 1850 so unless someone can dig up a painting from the time, not a chance of knowing what it looked like without the harbour.

    Its a pretty impressive harbour if you compare it to the other harbours in the area with a large area sheltered but silt and north east winds inhibited the fishing as did the collapse of the Ling and cod fishing industry and the move to non tidal harbours like Howth. Some accounts state that the original pier was built by the Duke of Ormonde in the time of James the Second who reigned from 1685-1688. It actually is in need of the services of a good stone mason.

    Chapters of Dublin History


    Chapters of Dublin History


    There is a phrase in NCD of calling people from Skerries "Skerries Goats" can anyone tell me what people from Rush are called in turn?

    Rush people, as far as I know, were called "Rays" as there used to be an abundance of ray in and around Rogerstown estuary and probably Rush in general. Swords people were "Half doors" from the saloon style doors seen there, Balbriggan people were "Half shirts" due to some factory that existed there at one time that made under garments of some sort. It was from some poem or song that was about the people of Fingal.

    From my father and grandfather I know that Lady Palmer of the Rush Palmers had the power to go into the local national school and have a word with the head teacher to give the kids the rest of the day off if it was a nice day. Also I think she or her husband had a fund set up to give 100 pound dowries to any bride from a not so well to do family within a certain radius of the Palmers' Kenure estate. It was only given to couples married in May though, hence it's name "The May money". I think my father and mother got married in May in order to capitalize on that dowry but they didn't get it. As far as I know though, the account that contains the monies still exists in some bank but is inactive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    briany wrote: »
    Rush people, as far as I know, were called "Rays" as there used to be an abundance of ray in and around Rogerstown estuary and probably Rush in general. Swords people were "Half doors" from the saloon style doors seen there, Balbriggan people were "Half shirts" due to some factory that existed there at one time that made under garments of some sort. It was from some poem or song that was about the people of Fingal.

    From my father and grandfather I know that Lady Palmer of the Rush Palmers had the power to go into the local national school and have a word with the head teacher to give the kids the rest of the day off if it was a nice day. Also I think she or her husband had a fund set up to give 100 pound dowries to any bride from a not so well to do family within a certain radius of the Palmers' Kenure estate. It was only given to couples married in May though, hence it's name "The May money". I think my father and mother got married in May in order to capitalize on that dowry but they didn't get it. As far as I know though, the account that contains the monies still exists in some bank but is inactive.

    We have a winner!! Interesting to note the Swords nickname too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Cant say I have heard the nickname, bit like an american football team The Rush Rays v The Miami Dolphins........

    Does anyone know what is the purpose of the range wall? Protection of the harbour or the old R.I.C barrack at the park?
    Interesting reading about the collapse of the fishing industry. I have been in contact with a man from Boston who ancestors left here between 1890-1908 and are now among the biggest fish merchants is U.S.A. O'Hara from Channel Rd. He has done quite a bit of research
    Palmers had quite a bit of power and some good connections. The had Margaret Burke Sheridan sing when they raised money for the building of the old girls national school around 1907.

    briany, The "may money" is no longer in a bank, it has been transfered to N.A.M.A.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Cant say I have heard the nickname, bit like an american football team The Rush Rays v The Miami Dolphins........

    Does anyone know what is the purpose of the range wall? Protection of the harbour or the old R.I.C barrack at the park?
    Interesting reading about the collapse of the fishing industry. I have been in contact with a man from Boston who ancestors left here between 1890-1908 and are now among the biggest fish merchants is U.S.A. O'Hara from Channel Rd. He has done quite a bit of research
    Palmers had quite a bit of power and some good connections. The had Margaret Burke Sheridan sing when they raised money for the building of the old girls national school around 1907.

    briany, The "may money" is no longer in a bank, it has been transfered to N.A.M.A.


    The Ray nickname is very old.

    Who was Margaret Burke Sheridan?

    That was the coastguard station at the harbour. The IRA burnt it down. The RIC barracks was on Barrack lane wasnt it??? An RIC constable was shot there by the IRA and died a few days later but I couldn't find an account of the incident online. Anyone know who shot him?

    The Palmers also had some controversial views, they viewed there tenents in Rush as hard working and honest people while their tenents in the West were lazy and avoided work.

    Just a little piece I came across about an important item that was among the contents of Kenure.

    Daily Telegraph 14 June 2008
    The Kenure Cabinet belonged to the late Simon Sainsbury, a scion of the supermarket dynasty, and is widely regarded as the finest example of Thomas Chippendale's work ever to be offered for sale.

    It is part of an extensive collection of furniture and paintings which belonged to Sainsbury, who died in 2006. The philanthropist left instructions in his will to sell the contents of his 18th century country house for charity.

    The mahogany piece, made in the 1750s, will be on view at Christie's in London until Wednesday, ahead of the Exceptional Furniture auction on June 18.

    Dating from Chippendale's most influential period in the late 1750s, it is a Chinese fantasy cabinet designed to display exotic ceramics.

    Its original owner was Sir Roger Palmer, who inherited Kenure Park in County Dublin, Ireland, in 1811. It was sold onto Sainsbury in the 1960s and has not been seen in public since.

    Auctioneers at Christies have given the piece an estimate of between £2.5 and £4 million, and it is expected to set a new sale record. The most expensive piece of British furniture sold to date is the Anglesey Desk, which fetched £1.76m at Christie's in July 1993.


    It fetched £2.7 at auction in the end which was still a record and a photo below.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Margaret Burke Sheridan was an opera singer. She was I think the first Irish singer to perform at La Scala. She was from Mayo and the Palmers had her sing for them. Do you remember the Palmer decendents coming back about 20 years ago looking for ground rent, I think from houses in the Bawn area? That cabinet would fit in my hall, handy for throwing the car keys on!!

    The barracks were behind the Firestation?

    Can you throw any light on Range wall?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    LeoB wrote: »
    Can you throw any light on Range wall?

    Id be interested in this too, or any info anyone has on the actual carlyan rocks, I heard that they were mined(dunno if that word fits here, but you know what I mean) and used as building material around the town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Margaret Burke Sheridan was an opera singer. She was I think the first Irish singer to perform at La Scala. She was from Mayo and the Palmers had her sing for them. Do you remember the Palmer decendents coming back about 20 years ago looking for ground rent, I think from houses in the Bawn area? That cabinet would fit in my hall, handy for throwing the car keys on!!

    The barracks were behind the Firestation?

    Can you throw any light on Range wall?

    Lady Palmer paid for her bursary to study at Covent Garden.


    Yes the Barracks was down that part of town, then later the Garda station was built at the site of the town bakery next the new church.. I think you can see the Garda leaning out the door of the station in the previous photo of the chains at the woods entrance.

    I don't know anything about the range wall, do you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Lady Palmer paid for her bursary to study at Covent Garden.


    Yes the Barracks was down that part of town, then later the Garda station was built at the site of the town bakery next the new church.. I think you can see the Garda leaning out the door of the station in the previous photo of the chains at the woods entrance.

    I don't know anything about the range wall, do you?

    No dont know a thing a thing about it. Have asked 1 or 2 and they drew blanks also.

    Would like to know the date of the photo you mention that icludes the Garda at the door.!!!! The conductor on the last Howth tram was a Garda stationed in Rush back in the 1920s. Tom McCarville a native of Newbliss Co. Monaghan and Peter Fallon from Ballinasloe Co. Galway were among the founding members of St. Maurs G.A.A club back in 1928, and Mr McCarville was the conductor. He later joined the Fintan Lawlor pipe band and Laurence O'Toole band and performed against St. Maurs pipe band on a few occasions. I met his son a few years ago. Jeasus im full of useless information......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    No dont know a thing a thing about it. Have asked 1 or 2 and they drew blanks also.

    Would like to know the date of the photo you mention that icludes the Garda at the door.!!!! The conductor on the last Howth tram was a Garda stationed in Rush back in the 1920s. Tom McCarville a native of Newbliss Co. Monaghan and Peter Fallon from Ballinasloe Co. Galway were among the founding members of St. Maurs G.A.A club back in 1928, and Mr McCarville was the conductor. He later joined the Fintan Lawlor pipe band and Laurence O'Toole band and performed against St. Maurs pipe band on a few occasions. I met his son a few years ago. Jeasus im full of useless information......

    I wouldnt say useless, just needs structure. Your history page on the St Maurs website is very informative. But you may need to update with the passing of Willie Price and this little classic might need changing
    Brendan is couch to our 1st football team
    ........should that be coach


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    I wouldnt say useless, just needs structure. Your history page on the St Maurs website is very informative. But you may need to update with the passing of Willie Price and this little classic might need changing


    ........should that be coach

    We are actually doing an article on Willie for Dublin tearbook and this will be under our club news menu on website. It would not be hard to write a book on him. That photo on our website of his death notice also included Sean Kelly them president of G.A.A. and now Euro M.E.P at a reception to honour people who gave outstanding service to G.A.A. I can tell you now we will be doing something very special to honour him within the next 9 months.

    Is that quote on our website? I will change it tonight if it is. Just hope it aint in our history book.

    How does that multifunction quote button work>


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    LeoB wrote: »
    How does that multifunction quote button work>

    Click on it for all the posts you want to quote (it should turn red when clicked), then click on the "post reply" button, and all the posts you want to quote should appear in the order you clicked them in the reply box


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Thanks Beasty I will try it later. So when replying to a post like Cordensonk did above it will work the same?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    LeoB wrote: »
    So when replying to a post like Cordensonk did above it will work the same?

    What I said works when quoting from 2 different posts. Corsendonk's second quote was not from a post however - he simply copied and pasted from the club website

    To put some specific wording in quotes, use the following format:

    [quot*]type your quote in here[/quote]

    I have replaced the "e" with a "*" simply to stop it formatting the text as a quote. Put the "e" back in to make it appear like Corsendonk's quote

    Now let's not derail this thread with general posting queries - if you have any more questions, drop me a PM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    I stumbled across this interesting extract from the Dail. As Rush and North Dublin was the centre of market gardening in Ireland it attracted talented growers from abroad who later became Irish citizens. The date under there profession is there date of entry into the state.

    Dail Eireann 22 Oct 1947- written response to the issuing of naturalisation papers. The following are particulars of the aliens to whom certificates of naturalisation were granted from the 1st of January, 1946, to the 20th of October, 1947:—


    RUIGROK, Wilhelmus Theodorus.
    Main Street, Rush, Co. Dublin
    Bulb Grower
    12th Dec., 1935

    KUNZ, Jeno
    The Nurseries, Rush, Co. Dublin.
    Horticulturist
    18th May, 1937

    JONG, Gysbertus Arnoldus de
    Ballykea, Lusk, Co. Dublin
    Nurseryman
    October, 1933

    Wow, great find. The Ruigroks are still in the neighbourhood, and I think a De Jong owns the flower place on the main road between Blake's Cross and Lusk.

    I wonder did Kunz change his name? Could well have done.

    LeoB wrote: »
    Liverpool 1936
    A remarkable feature of 1936 was a trip undertaken by St. Maurs to visit Liverpool.

    The St. Maurs team would play a match against a team of exiles called Eire Óg. The match was played in Thingwall Park and St. Maurs won by 6...3 to 3..2. Jimmy McMahon scored 5..2 Willie Lynch 1 goal and John McCann1pt.

    The following notice appeared in the evening herald
    St. Maurs G.F.C (Rush)
    The following players are to meet for a special bus Saturday night at 9p.m. FitzGerald 2, Jones 2, Sandes, Clarke, Kane, Leonard, Attley, Lynch, Monks, Butterly, Daly, McMahon, McCann, Gosson, Newcomen.
    Boat leaves North wall at 11pm.

    Every player on that trip,except 1 has a relative still playing for St. Maurs .
    That's fascinating Leo. With the way Rush people stick with their roots, I'm surprised there is one of them who hasn't got a relative playing! Sandes is probably the only name I don't recognise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    I wonder did Kunz change his name? Could well have done..

    No still a ..........

    That's fascinating Leo. With the way Rush people stick with their roots, I'm surprised there is one of them who hasn't got a relative playing! Sandes is probably the only name I don't recognise.

    I think it may have been Matt Sands. Will enquire. I am unsure of Lynch and Attley but I see a young Attley after joining the academy. That Lynch scored 14point in a match one day, a remarkable feat as scores were not usually very high


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Wow, great find. The Ruigroks are still in the neighbourhood, and I think a De Jong owns the flower place on the main road between Blake's Cross and Lusk.

    I wonder did Kunz change his name? Could well have done.

    Nope I don't think so, he came over to work with Ruigroks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Baldungan Castle and the Barony of Balrothery

    Those that drive between Rush and Lusk and Lusk and Skerries will notice a ruin on a hill in the distance. This is know locally as Baldungan/Baldongan Castle do it is actually a Church. The castle stood beside the church but was removed piece by piece over the years.

    The Castle was the adminstrative headquarters for the Norman created Barony of Balrothery which today still exists on land deeds do now broke up into East and West Balrothery.


    Extract from Chapters of Dublin 1824 detailing the Barony of Balrothery.
    This maritime district, according to the survey and valuation of 1824, comprises 14 parishes subdivided into 174 townlands, and has been assessed to the ancient subsidies as extending over 30,370 arable acres, and 1,699 acres then deemed unprofitable. The [408] parishes there assigned to it are Lusk, Holmpatrick, Baldungan, Balrothery, Balscadden, Naul, Hollywood, Grallagh, Garristown, Ballymadun, Palmerstown, Westpalstown, Ballyboghill, and Dunabate. In this scope are 12 small towns and 16 villages. The surface of the barony is for the most part level, and the soil productive, resting almost entirely on limestone. it is, however, badly supplied with rivers, and its harbours have not been much improved. Being the most remote from the metropolis it is principally used in tillage.

    You might ask who the original people who ran the Barony, who was the Baron? The Barony of Balrothery was actually owned by the Church or to be more correct owned by the Order of Templars commonly know today as the Knights Templars.




    Article Knight Templars in Ireland, The Dublin Penny Journal, Volume 2, Number 87, March 1, 1834
    This society took its rise during the period of the first crusade at Jerusalem, about the year 1118; and although formed at a period later than the other military order of the Knight Hospitallers, or of St. John of Jerusalem, soon outstripped it in wealth and power, and was also the earliest abolished. The name assumed by the knights had, according to some, a reference to vows entered into for the defence of the holy temple against infidels; and according to others, from the acccidental occupation of some chambers adjacent to the temple, by the original members of the order.

    The knights were ecclesiastics; differing in this from those of Saint John, who although bound by strict monastic rules were not in orders; their vows were very strict, enjoining celibacy, poverty, humility, and inveterate war against infidels; to the latter it must be admitted they adhered pretty steadily, but the former injunctions were often interpreted with great laxity. Their dress in peace consisted of a long, white robe, having the cross of St. George on the left shoulder, and worn after the manner of a cloak or mantle; a cap, turned up, such as heralds call a cap of maintainance, covered the head; and the staff or abacus of the order, having at its extremity an encircled cross, was borne in the right hand. Their panoply in war did not differ materially from that of the knights of that period, except the distinctive cross, the badge of the order being emblazoned on the cuirass, and the Agnus Dei was displayed on their banners.

    Their superior, elected for life, chosen by the order and styled the grand master, took rank as an independent prince. Immediately under him were the preceptors or priors, each ruling over his peculiar district, and subject to the grand master and the statutes of the order. The number of the knights' companions were unlimited; they were each attended by two esquires, who were usually candidates for admission into the order, into which none were enrolled but those who could prove their nobility of descent for two generations.

    Their preceptories or priories were usually surrounded by what was called a peculiar; that is an ecclesiastical jurisdiction independent of the bishop of the diocese, and were generally erected near a river, often on a slope, or at the bottom of an eminence; they were sometimes built with that jealous regard to strength and security usual in the baronial residences of the day, but frequently were of a moderate size, capable of accommodating from twenty to thirty knights; the dread of the order, who were accounted the best lances in Christendom, serving them for ramparts and fosses. There was always a chapel, and sometimes a church attached, and the surrounding meadow served them as a tilt yard and place of exercise.

    Few of these buildings have escaped the wreck of time; many of them have merged into private residences, and of those which remain, Clontarf Castle is, we believe, the most perfect specimen extant in this country.

    The institution of the Knights Templars exactly suited the taste of an age tinctured with all the elevating spirit of romance, and heightened by the spirit of religious enthusiasm; and the Christian world was so well pleased with the unexampled valour and Christian virtues displayed by the first members, that in the space of 126 years from their first institution, they were possessed of no less than nine thousand manors in Christendom; and at the time it was determined to put a period to their existence, they were in actual possession of sixteen thousand.

    But these times of their prosperity passed away. Corrupted by luxury and profusion, they degenerated from their austere simplicity, and original purity and uprightness; and instead of illuminating the world by their good example, they became the model and standard of every vice that could disgrace humanity. Pride, covetousness, cruelty, and infidelity, aggravated by every species of tyranny and oppression, were the distinguishing marks of their character; and independent of all authority, and trampling on all laws human or divine, they became the objects of universal hatred and detestation; and their character, as given by Matthew Paris, fully presents the picture which Sir Walter Scott has so admirably portrayed of them in his novel of Ivanhoe.

    Philip, King of France, was a prince naturally avaricious and jealous of his prerogative; he beheld their rising greatness with a malignant eye, and their possessions with envy; and taking advantage of the general feeling against them, he determined, in conjunction with the pope, to suppress the order.

    Luxury, intemperance, and cruelty were crimes too general in that age to bear particularly hard upon the Templars—they were, therefore, accused of sorcery, unnatural lusts, and idolatry—charges so monstrous as almost to exceed belief; but which were readily credited in that credulous age: and the people being prepossessed against them, Philip found it easy to carry the iniquitous transaction through his courts; and upon the proofs adduced, their estates, houses, and effects were seized; and their persons simultaneously secured in castles, prisons, &c.—their estates and effects were sequestered into the hands of commissioners; and the grand master and several of his knights were subjected to the torture, under the extremity of which they gave vent to expressions which were afterwards wrested into a confession of their guilt, and they were publicly condemned and burned alive in Paris in the year 1307.

    In England, Edward the Second, tempted by the amazing accession of property consequent on this persecution, followed the example of Philip—the designs of both being alike favoured by the pope. It was, therefore, publicly ordained by the king and his council, that all of the order throughout his dominions should be seized; and in the year 1307, the order for their suppression was transmitted to John Wogan, Justiciary of Ireland, on the Wednesday immediately after the feast of the Epiphany, enjoining him to have the same executed without delay. The mandate was accordingly obeyed; and on the morrow of the purification they were everywhere seized and committed to prison—Gerald, fourth son of Maurice, lord of Kerry, being then grand master of the order in Ireland.

    It does not appear that the Templars of Ireland were as hardly dealt with as those on the Continent; perhaps their conduct was not so flagrant: they had fought and bled in defence of the English power in this country; for in the year 1274, William Fitz Roger, the prior of Kilmainham, was taken prisoner with several others, by the Irish at Glyndelory, when many of the friars were slain; and in the years 1296 and 1301, William de Rosse, the then prior, filled the honourable situation of lord deputy of the kingdom; and in 1302, but a few years before their ruin, he was appointed chief justice of Ireland; this argues that he at least was a man of unblemished reputation and acknowledged probity; and, perhaps, may account for a degree of lenity with which they appear to have been treated by the authorities here; as we find the king, Edward the Second, found it necessary by his writ, dated September the 29th, 1309, to further command the said Justiciary to apprehend without delay all the Templars that had not yet been seized, and them to safely keep in the castle of Dublin, together with those who were before apprehended.

    Their doom was not finally fixed until "1312, in which year, on the morrow of Saint Lucia the virgin, the moon appeared variously coloured; on which day it was finally determined that the order of Knights Templars should be totally abolished."

    The trial of those who were seized was conducted with great solemnity in Dublin before friar Richard Balybyn, minister of the order of Dominicans in Ireland; friar Philip de Slane, lecturer of the same; and friar Hugh St. Leger; among other witnesses were Roger de Heton, guardian of the Franciscans; Walter de Prendergast, their lecturer; Thomas, the abbot; Simon, prior of the abbey of St. Thomas the Martyr, and Roger the prior of the Augustinian friary in Dublin. The depositions against them were weakly supported; yet they were condemned, and their lands and possessions of every kind granted to their rivals—the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, an order still represented by the Knights of Malta.

    In England many of the knights were committed to monasteries, there to do penance for their supposed offences, with a daily allowance of four pence to each. The grand master was allowed two shillings per day. To many of their chaplains the king allowed three pence per day for their diet, and twenty shillings yearly for their stipend or livery: their servants had two pence per day, and inferior servants one penny, and either five or ten shillings yearly for their livery; and for this allowance they were to perform the same services they had before done for the knights; and in Ireland the king, on petition of the master, granted the manors of Kilcloghan, Crooke, and Kilbarry for their support.

    The possessions of the order in Ireland were very considerable; they had, in addition to their chief seat of Kilmainham, the prior of which sat as a baron in parliament, two other commanderies in this county, viz—Clontarf, which furnishes the present illustration, and Baldungan in the barony of Balrothery, besides many others in various parts of the kingdom.


    History of Knight Templars
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
    http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/irhismys/templars.htm


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    The Castle later went on to play apart in the uprising in 1600s by Confederate Ireland.

    Extract from Chapters of Dublin
    The road is uphill most of the way to the ruins, which are conspicuously situated on the summit of a rising ground, about two miles from Skerries, commanding an extensive prospect of the surrounding country. The ruins now surviving consist of the eastern and western ends of what must originally have been an extensive castle and church, the materials of which were probably utilised to build the enclosing wall around the graveyard - still used as a burial ground. The most striking feature is the great tower of the church or abbey, 70 feet high and 22 feet square, entered by an arched doorway, leading to a flight of 53 steps to the battlements, on the eastern side of which is a two-arched bell-turret. The buildings originally formed a spacious quadrangular court, flanked by four square towers, and were erected on the site of an ancient dun or moat.

    In the beginning of the 16th century this castle belonged to the de Berminghams, from whom it passed by marriage into possession of the Howth family, subsequently being held by the Barnewalls with their manor of Balrothery. In June, 1642 it was defended by the Confederates of the Pale against the Parliamentary forces, and according to a contemporary tract entitled New Intelligence from Ireland, dated 17th June, 1642, Colonel Trafford besieged it with cannon, and put all the garrison, about 200 in number, to the sword, while two priests who were among the defenders, were examined on the rack and afterwards deported to France.

    The following more detailed accounts of the siege appear in another tract or bulletin, undated, but evidently issued within a few days of the other: -

    (I) "The Lords of the Pale are besieged in Baldongan Castle by our forces, who sent to Dublin for Ordnance to batter it, which was sent them, guarded with 400 men, but what they have done is not yet knowne."

    "Sunday last was the day appointed for a set battle, which (it is said) was given, but what is done is not yet knowne; we hope to heare by the next post."

    (2) "Colonell Trafford went out from us with some 1,000 men to forage and light upon a part of the enemy, who betook themselves to Baldongan Castle, some 12 miles from us who besieged them. Two large pieces were sent to him which came there; ten shot two shots [sic] onely that night; and on the next day they beat down the Castle and put all to the sword which were about 200, none of any note in it, but two Priests that were Captaines to those Rebells, one of them was brought home, and was examined and put to the Racke, but confessed little; that day 26 Priests were shipped for France, which deserve better to be hanged."

    These interesting ruins are maintained in excellent order, and are easily accessible, as the field where they stand is entered by a stile from the road.

    Print of Castle and Church from 1791
    6034073

    More information on Confederate Ireland and Uprisings
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    I came across this Book entitled History of County Dublin by John D'Alton from 1836. Google has an interesting project called Internet Library running were they upload old books. History books then were wrote in a walking sightseening style with also a keen interest in botanical plants.


    Extracts from http://www.archive.org/stream/historycountydu02dalgoog/historycountydu02dalgoog_djvu.txt

    The authors first impression of Rush in 1836, I presume the flour mill is the building across from the primary school? Strange that he refers to cabins rather than houses.
    The village consists of one long avenue of cabins
    nearly parallel with the beach, and literally built upon^
    the sands. It has a neat cruciform chapel erected in
    1760, and dedicated to St. Maurus the disciple of
    St. Benedict. On Sundays there is much edification
    in witnessing the groups of children and sailors, who
    devoutly attend here to catechism and moral exhor-
    tations. In the town is also a school, to which the*
    National Board allows £10 per annum, and Sir Wil-
    liam Palmer £20. ' It was attended by 233 pupils in
    1834. There are also a dispensary and a flour mill
    here.

    Near the village is Rush House, a handsome
    antique structure, containing some valuable paintings
    by the first masters. The demesne, more properly
    called Kinure Park, from the old chapel of Kinure
    which it surrounds, is prettily undulated and wooded,
    but not with any trees of age or size. A spring, called
    St. Catherine's well, is seen issuing from a rock on
    the avenue from the house to the old church, whose
    ruins are situated in a solemn sequestered situation,
    and are thickly over-arched with festoons of ivy


    This is of interest, the author describes a building beside Kenure graveyard for celebration.
    In the outer
    grave-yard is the tomb of the celebrated smuggler
    Jack Connor, well known as Jack the Bachelor, who
    died in 1772. At the very foot of this churchyard,
    in a sombre and ill chosen site, is a wood house, which,
    if designed for the ordinary purposes of rural meals
    and merriment, must have demanded guests of no ordi-
    nary class, and feelings of Egyptian temperament to
    recreate in such a presence
    .

    Rent and population, certainly experienced a population boom. Also shows the ancient but not little practice of spreading seaweed on theearly sandy fields.
    In the Protestant arrangement Rush is a portion of
    the parish of Lusk ; in the Catholic it now constitutes a
    separate parish. Its population was in 1821 returned as
    only 1004 persons, increased on the census of 1831
    to 2144. The Poor Inquiry Report of 1836 states
    250 labourers in this parish, (treating it as a distinct
    one,) of whom but 100 have constant employment,
    the remainder occasional. The lands about this vil-
    lage are the fee of Sir William Palmer, and are let,
    the sandy parts, at about £l per acre; the clayey
    at £2 10^. The former can only produce the rent by the facility of sea weed from Lambay, Ireland Eye and coast.A cabin without land is let for £2 annually

    Drummagh
    There is a portion of Rush, however, called Drum-
    managh, deemed particularly rich by Rutty, the rich-
    est in the whole county, and which accordingly is let at
    four guineas per acre. On this subdenomination,
    formerly the property of the Barnewall family,* are
    some curious earthworks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Extracts from http://www.archive.org/stream/historycountydu02dalgoog/historycountydu02dalgoog_djvu.txt


    Fishing Industry around Rush, the large rock osyter is something new to me.
    The sea here affords a plentiful supply of the
    ray thombacks, commonly called maiden
    ray, which are dried and saved by the inhabitants,
    and an oil extracted from them. A large rock oys-
    ter is also found here, but so full of salt that it is
    more particularly used in sauces. The fishery here
    has, as before suggested, greatly declined. In 1820
    there were twenty-three boats of from twenty-five to
    fifty-five tons burthen, and each employed on board
    eight men ; at present only eight of these boats are
    engaged in the fisheries, and each of them employs
    eight men. The harbour is dry, and wherries cannot
    get round the pier-head until half flood ; they are li-
    able to be wrecked should the wind blow hard from
    the eastward, in which case they are obliged to haul
    up close to the ground, and frequently get scraped in
    consequence. The wear and tear of ropes is thus
    very great, and, unless some assistance towards erect-
    ing a new harbour is obtained, the fishing vessels will
    be destroyed in a few years, already more than half
    have been lost since the abolition of the bounties.

    Writer Biotanical observations have plants found around Rush.
    The botany of Rush exhibits on its sandy fields
    and shores, hordeum maritimttm^ sea barley ; salsola
    kalu prickly saltwort ; arenaria peploides, sea sand-
    wort ; glaucum luteum^ yellow-horned poppy ; gen-
    tiana campestris, field gentian ; agrostema githagOj
    corn cockle ; cerastium semidecandrum, little mouse-
    ear chickweed; cerastium arvense^ field mouse-ear
    chickweed ; spergula arvensis^ com spurrey ; reseda
    luteay base rocket ; papaver hyhridum^ round rough-
    headed poppy ; nepeta cataria, cat mint ; lemurics
    cardiaca^ motherwort ; cakUe maritima, sea rocket;
    siryapis alba^ white mustard ; erodium cictUariumy
    hemlock stork's bill ; artthyllu vidnerarta, kidney
    vetch ; sonchus arvensis, com sow thistle ; carduus
    marianusy milk thistle ; carejc arenaria, sea sedge ;
    trifolium arvense, hare's-foot trefoil ; fucfis dliaius,
    ciliated fucus ; fucus actdeattes, prickly fucus \fucus
    plicatus^ matted fucus \ focus corneuSf homy fucus. —
    On the rocks, conferva setacea, bristly conferva;
    statice armeria, sea pink, &c. — In the marges, apium
    graveolensj wild celery. — In the hedges, trifolium
    officinaie^ melilot. — In the com fields, centaurea
    eyanusy blue bottle : and, on the ditches, lichen syU
    vaticusj wood lichen.

    Loughshinny- observations
    Returning to the main land, a sandy shore, inter*
    spersed with low ledges of rock, leads to LOUGH SHINNY, an inlet of about a quarter of a mile square, affording, perhaps, the very best natural situation for a harbour along the whole coast of Leinster, and an excellent roadstead in all but east winds. Near it, on the sea coast, is a petrifying spring that deposits large incrus- tations of various figures on the rocks along which it dribbles. These incrustations evince their calcareous nature by fermenting strongly with spirit of vitriol, and in other appearances correspond exactly with spar or limestone.* Fine crystals are also found in mi adjacent cliff. There are likewise on the coast of this line large rocks of the Irish slate, lapis Hiberni- cus. Grey radiated manganese ore is met with, and a copper mine, formerly worked here, has been recently inspected, with the object of ascertainingthe propriety of applying more extensive capital and improved ma-chinery to its productions. Sea lungwort, pulmona- ria maritima^ with other plants and weeds of the sea, abound along this shore


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Thats interesting about the fishing. I dont remember any big fishing around Rush but an interesting post here last year from a man in Boston was "looking for his roots/Family history"

    His name was O'Hara from Channel Rd and he had quite a bit of Info. His grandfather emigrated and went fishing in the states. They became a very successful fish merchants and they put it down to learning their trade as a young men around Rush


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Photos Courtesy of www.myhometown.ie

    Someone might be able to put a date to the images?

    St Maurs
    158807.jpg

    St Maurs Pic 2
    158808.jpg

    Channel Road
    158809.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Great stuff.

    I have seen these photos before I think at an exhibition in St. Maurs G.A.A club a few years ago or possibly in the bandroom

    I think pic 2 is from early 1900s (c1910) and channel Rd from 1940s. I see Hilda Clarkes house in this photo, Bremore and Con Redmonds further down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Interesting looking at the other photos of Rush. The Vicarage now called the Old Rectory has not changed at all really.

    The photo of the square has Armstrongs pub (The Carlyan) in it and the house this side of it has only been vacated about 2 years ago by Kitty Weldon. KittyS daughter is none other than actress Orla Brady who appeared in Nip and Tuck and Family Law.

    I believe there is an exhibition in Rush Library at present of local photos which I am sure is worth a visit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Interesting looking at the other photos of Rush. The Vicarage now called the Old Rectory has not changed at all really.

    The photo of the square has Armstrongs pub (The Carlyan) in it and the house this side of it has only been vacated about 2 years ago by Kitty Weldon. KittyS daughter is none other than actress Orla Brady who appeared in Nip and Tuck and Family Law.

    I believe there is an exhibition in Rush Library at present of local photos which I am sure is worth a visit.

    Yes I went to see the exibition on the day it opened but to be honest very few photos that were new to me, mainly just copies of what is in the National Digital Archive online but that said they may have added more since. I did discover from the exhibition that the turn of the century photos of military training in Rogerstown were actually found in a carboot sale in Meath.

    They did have an appeal for any old photos that anyone might have at home to improve their archive so if anyone does have any old photos in the loft or on the wall of Rush drop them up to the library so they can make a copy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Yes I went to see the exibition on the day it opened but to be honest very few photos that were new to me, mainly just copies of what is in the National Digital Archive online but that said they may have added more since. I did discover from the exhibition that the turn of the century photos of military training in Rogerstown were actually found in a carboot sale in Meath.

    They did have an appeal for any old photos that anyone might have at home to improve their archive so if anyone does have any old photos in the loft or on the wall of Rush drop them up to the library so they can make a copy.

    I have seen quite a few photos that are not in the exhibition but people are reluctant to give them out in case they are not returned or mislaid.

    I was talking to Nora in the Library the other day and she has great plans to create quite a bank of information on Rush.

    One of the things she wants to do is resurect the old field names and put them to maps she has. Also to use any old landmarks or local names for lanes and areas which people might not be familar with, Coopersbank, Dempseys corner, the roaring well, Kings gap etc. She also wants information on The mill at Whitestown, Kenure demense, Lambay Island and history of local clubs and organisations. She also doing work on Remount Farm and has old maps showing the officers houses and the like.

    Would be well worth if anyone has snippets of information going in to have a chat with her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    I have seen quite a few photos that are not in the exhibition but people are reluctant to give them out in case they are not returned or mislaid.

    I was talking to Nora in the Library the other day and she has great plans to create quite a bank of information on Rush.

    One of the things she wants to do is resurect the old field names and put them to maps she has. Also to use any old landmarks or local names for lanes and areas which people might not be familar with, Coopersbank, Dempseys corner, the roaring well, Kings gap etc. She also wants information on The mill at Whitestown, Kenure demense, Lambay Island and history of local clubs and organisations.

    Would be well worth if anyone has snippets of information going in to have a chat with her.

    Nursing Home in Lusk might be the best spot to get first hand info concerning landmarks and names of areas in Rush. Tales change with retelling so she might get more accurate info there.

    Bugbear of mine is how all these Irish named estates sprang up around Rush, property developers!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Nursing Home in Lusk might be the best spot to get first hand info concerning landmarks and names of areas in Rush. Tales change with retelling so she might get more accurate info there.

    Bugbear of mine is how all these Irish named estates sprang up around Rush, property developers!!

    Just looking at Peter Dunnes scrapbook in the Library of the 2Church" row from the 1980s. Its an awful pity more people didnt keep diaries.

    There are still a few fairly knowlegable people around the place. I gave her a few names to contact so hopefully she can get some good info.

    They sure picked some starange names ok. I like Laycove and Tayleurs point as both have a connection with times past from around Rush. I suppose I prefer the Irish names to some of the silly English names on some estates. Shrewsbury, Kensington and the like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    The RTE Archive also has photos of Kenure House including the disrepair inside the house from 1965. Hard to see the photos in close up due to the large watermark that RTE use.

    https://stillslibrary.rte.ie

    Enter Kenure in search

    Loughshinny in 1980 and one photo from 1930.

    https://stillslibrary.rte.ie

    Enter Loughshinny in search field.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    Those links are broken, mate.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    This video from the 1940's was posted in the Dublin City forum, at 7.40 in the camera man pays a visit to the tulip fields of Rush, perhaps others can identify other areas of NCD.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Local Graveyards are always an interesting source. The links below have a list of gravestone details of some of the residents of the local graveyards. Interesting to note that certain names have died out locally.

    Whitestown Graveyard

    Kenure Graveyard

    Lusk Old Graveyard

    Before LeoB says anything I noticed his family name isn't on the list as is quite a few of the older Rush and Loughshinny families. The author has her email address at the top of the page if anyone wishes to send her their family gravestone details for that particular graveyard. That would certainly improve the site for anyone researching family from abroad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Local Graveyards are always an interesting source. The links below have a list of gravestone details of some of the residents of the local graveyards. Interesting to note that certain names have died out locally.

    Whitestown Graveyard

    Kenure Graveyard

    Lusk Old Graveyard

    Before LeoB says anything I noticed his family name isn't on the list as is quite a few of the older Rush and Loughshinny families. The author has her email address at the top of the page if anyone wishes to send her their family gravestone details for that particular graveyard. That would certainly improve the site for anyone researching family from abroad.

    Will email her later.
    Interesting looking back at some of the names. I see Pa Smyth there a man I remember from working in Ruigroks. Attracta Foley and her Poodles, winston was 1 and I cant remember the other. Great info there.

    Off this topic for a mement, I posted a few pictures in the Photos thread with a comment for you. Bit of History on Whitestown Mill. Will add a few here below later


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Griffiths Valuation completed 1868, handy speadsheet list of all the entries for Lusk Parish.

    The Dublin lists were apparently published in 1853 so the Parish of Lusk records may be 1853.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Inside Whitestown Mill

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    Marvellous history to the place.

    Peter Dunne, a great local craftsman built Mermaid yachts in here Back in late 50s.

    A considerable amount of work has ben done to date but the owner is doing most of the work and reckons it was a 15 - 20 years project.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Whitestown Mill

    Excellent Photos Leo. It seems to have a stop start history that may be due to the water wheel and the Mash River flow dropping at times of the year. I have read books from the 1800s complaining about the lack of meaningful rivers in NCD so that might explain the windmill designs in Skerries and Rush. This is the second restoration of the Mill.


    Chapters of Dublin
    as corruptly called from its more ancient name of Knightstown, also the ancient estate of Lord Howth. It was formerly a chapelry subservient to Lusk; and the site of the old church is still traced in the centre of a burial ground, thickly set with obscure tombstones and bristly with nettles. A tasteless arch rises amidst those, erected in honour of some individual whom, even in tradition, it has now ceased to commemorate. Near it, on the day of visit, was a freshly sodded grave, rustically adorned with the emblems of innocence and chastity - garlands of white paper fantastically cut out and wreathed over laths and osiers, a simple tribute of surviving affection. In the adjoining valley are the remains of a mill, long since deserted even by the babbling, unimpeded stream, that once turned its vigorous wheels.


    Buildings of Ireland- Whitestown House
    Detached three-bay two-storey house, c.1850. Two-bay two-storey lean-to return to rear possibly incorporating fabric of earlier house. Rubble stone barn, c.1850 and conservatory, c.1920, to left-hand side. Rubble stone farm buildings, c.1850. Corn mill, rebuilt 1852, possibly containing fabric of an earlier mill, to site, now derelict. ROOF: Double pitched slate roof with terracotta ridge tiles and nap rendered chimney stacks to gable walls; lean-to monopitch slate roof; cast-iron rainwater goods. WALLS: Rough-cast render, rubble-stone walls and limestone quoins to mill. OPENINGS: Square headed openings with rendered reveals; granite cills, aluminium casements and timber sash windows to side and timber sash windows to front elevation; round headed timber sash to rear elevation; round headed door with leaded fanlight; fluted timber ionic columns and probably original timber panelled door

    Griffith Valuation of 1847(Dublin) lists the tenant of the Corn Mill as Walter Rickard who was tenant and was tenant also to land in BallyKea from Lord Palmer and had his own tenants,

    Census returns for the Kelly Family who were the owners then.
    1901
    1911

    *Error on surname in the 1911 logged.


    Water Power in Ireland
    The grinding of grain for both animal and human consumption was the main use to which water power was put. There were many of these mills dotted around the country, the vast majority of which no longer exist, although some remain abandoned and forlorn, such as the image above from County Monaghan. The Doomsday Book compiled shortly after the invasion of England in 1066 by William of Normandy "William the Conquer" lists 7,000 water mills in England, we can only assume that Ireland proportionatly had as many.
    The grain was ground between to cylindrical stones about four ft in diameter and perhaps six to eight inches deep, the top stone rotated while the bottom remained stationery, the grain was fed into a hole in the center of the top stonel and exited around the outside, the gap between the two could be adjusted with the tentering gear, which narrowed the gap resulted in finer flour. This was simply adapting the quern stone principle that had been used for centuries before the Christian's era. On the Orkney Isalnd north of Scotland an example of an early horizontal mill survives, this is on Harray Island (I think) the technology was probably brought to Orkney by the Vikings. The horizontal mill consisted of a vertical shaft to which blades were attached a stream of water was directed onto the blades causing the shaft to rotate driving the top stone,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Records of Register of Deeds for Mill 1797

    Volume 513
    Page 29
    Memorial number 332697
    Year current deed 1797
    Month current deed 3
    Day current deed 1
    Current deed type M
    MS or W
    Family name RICKARD
    Forname s Walter
    Title Farmer
    Residence Whitestown, DUB
    Role current deed P1D
    Role earlier deed P2L
    Year earlier deed 1780
    Month earlier deed 10
    Day earlier deed 30
    Signed memorial A
    Date Registered 23 Nov 1797
    Comments Malthouse etc in Whitestown, DUB, for 31 years
    indexer MOS
    cd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Another mention of Richard Kelly and Whitestown is from Porter's 1912 guide to North Co Dublin in his directory of Rush.


    Porters 1912
    A
    Andrews Brothers, Family Victuallers, Main Street
    Archbold, John, Draper
    Armstrong, Michael, Wine and Spirit Merchant, The Square

    B
    Baring, The Hon. C., Lambay Castle, Lambay Island
    Brunskill, Rev. N.R., Kenmure Church

    C
    Crely, Robert M., Shipowner and General Merchant

    D
    Derham, Mrs. Margaret, Vintner

    E
    Echlin, Matthew, Builder, Contractor, Carpenter, Painter, Decorator, and Undertaker, Main Street

    F
    Fahie, Charles J., Physician and Surgeon, Medical Officer, Local Dispensary
    Flynn, J.J., General Draper
    Follanus, Philip, Grocer
    Fynes, Edward, Saddler

    G
    Gailey, J., Blacklands
    Gough, Thomas, Builder and Contractor and General Undertaker
    Grimley, Stephen, Wine and Spirit Merchant, Main Street

    H
    Hartford, Mrs. B., Farmer
    Hartford and McDonald, General Drapers and Hardware
    Hennessey, Miss, Lady Superintendent of The Cottage Hospital

    J
    Jones, John, General Boots and Hardware

    K
    Kane, Michael, pensioner
    Kelly, Patrick, Grocer and Vintner, Main Street
    Kelly, Richard, Whitestown House
    King, Mrs. Mary, Grocer and Vintner, Millview House

    L
    Lamb, John, Mason
    Langan, David, Shoeing and General Smith
    Langan, Thomas, Blacksmith
    Langan Bros., Blacksmiths
    Lee-Norman, A.H., Estate Agent for Lady Palmer, Rush House

    M
    McManus, John, Clerk
    McSweeney, Rev. M., C.C.
    Martin, J., Stationmaster, Rush and Lusk Station
    Martin, James, Family Grocer, Draper, Hardware and General Merchant

    O
    O'Byrne, Rev. Laurence, P.P., The Presbytery
    O'Hara, Mrs. Brigid, Vintner

    P
    Palmer, Lady, Kenmure House
    Parochial School, Miss Crofton
    Purcell, Robt., Geraldine House

    R
    Robertson's Rush Bulb Farm Co. Ltd., Bulb Growers, W.E. Todd, Manager
    Rooney, Edward, Farmer, Cornhill

    S
    St. Lawrence, Wm., Farmer
    Smith, Mrs., Retired Draper

    T
    Todd, W.E., Bulb Farm Manager

    W
    Walsh, Captain Matthew, Woodview
    Walsh, Joseph, Family Grocer, Tea, Wine and Spirit Merchant, Carpenter and General Contractor, Main Street, Rush
    Walsh, Patrick, Mason
    Walsh, Thomas, Coachbuilder
    Weldon, Mrs., Postmistress

    The Postmistress, Mrs Weldon must be the fiercesome Mrs Weldon mentioned by Niall Wedon in his first book. LeoB can you connent the directory of people to locations today?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Historical Maps

    1603- 1611
    Rogers, Skries, Fyngall can be seen on the map of Leinster, Louth is part of Ulster.
    Maps

    1885
    Shows Dublin as far as Skerries, shows the size of Kenure estate and coastguard stations along the coast.
    Map

    Ordance Survey historical map.
    Overlays historical maps on to google, Shows the wells, forges, coastguard stations, cottage hospital and Rush TownHall.
    Map


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭martinn123



    Porters 1912.

    M
    McManus, John, Clerk
    McSweeney, Rev. M., C.C.
    Martin, J., Stationmaster, Rush and Lusk Station
    Martin, James, Family Grocer, Draper, Hardware and General Merchant



    Above is my great-grandfather, I traced his entry in the 1911 census to a house in Rogerstown. later transferred to Cavan Railway Station.
    Our family was then absent from Rush until 1961 when we moved into The Old Rectory, mentioned above, on the Skerries Rd. Were tenants of the Palmers, and visited Kenure House, regurarly.

    Kept up the association with Rush, by marrying the niece of Attracta Foley, mentioned by LeoB, despite this still reminded I am not a native of Rush.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Another mention of Richard Kelly and Whitestown is from Porter's 1912 guide to North Co Dublin in his directory of Rush.


    Porters 1912


    The Postmistress, Mrs Weldon must be the fiercesome Mrs Weldon mentioned by Niall Wedon in his first book. LeoB can you connent the directory of people to locations today?

    Yes I can or am just assuming for example....
    Hartford and McDonald, General Drapers and Hardware.
    This would be Harfords on Main St where Ocean Inn is. I delivered post there. It is closed about 20 yrs now

    Armstrong, Michael, Wine and Spirit Merchant, The Square
    This is now the Carlyan pub. Many a good night I had there trying to get a bottle of beer of Margie, Malachy or Mike Joe

    Derham, Mrs. Margaret, Vintner
    Now the Strand bar, Shermans on Main St. I remember older people calling it Derhams years ago. It then became St Lawrences & Mortons I think

    Langan, David, Shoeing and General Smith
    Langan, Thomas, Blacksmith
    Langan Bros., Blacksmiths

    I remember Langans forge on Lr. Main St where The Forge apartments are now. After Langans Paddy Dempsey had a steele business from there. 2 doors down from the previously mentioned Attracta Foley and Just up the road from The Harbour Bar owned at that time by Philip Follenus.
    There was a ballroom on the Channel Rd back then owned by Langans (I think) The Blue Lagoon It would have been where the second house on Right hand side as you come up the channel Rd from Rogerstown
    is now.

    Echlin, Matthew, Builder, Contractor, Carpenter, Painter, Decorator, and Undertaker, Main Street
    Echlin court stands where these people lived. I remember the house as a ruins. It was pulled down around 1982/3 to make way for Echlin Court.

    Some of the names I never heard of here while others are still quite strong, Gough, Grimley, Jones, Kane Kelly.

    I remember Mrs Grimley living 2 doors down from Harbour Bar, Remember the house the car crashed into last year? She lived there.

    There are older Rush names not mentioned, Beashel, Bollards, Bissett, Butterly, Coleman, Fitzgerald, Lynch, but these while self employed might not have had registered business'

    Anyone remember Mrs Keavey in her caravan up the Sandy Rd?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    martinn123 wrote: »
    Porters 1912.

    M
    McManus, John, Clerk
    McSweeney, Rev. M., C.C.
    Martin, J., Stationmaster, Rush and Lusk Station
    Martin, James, Family Grocer, Draper, Hardware and General Merchant


    Above is my great-grandfather, I traced his entry in the 1911 census to a house in Rogerstown. later transferred to Cavan Railway Station.
    Our family was then absent from Rush until 1961 when we moved into The Old Rectory, mentioned above, on the Skerries Rd. Were tenants of the Palmers, and visited Kenure House, regurarly.

    Kept up the association with Rush, by marrying the niece of Attracta Foley, mentioned by LeoB, despite this still reminded I am not a native of Rush.:D

    Very interesting to know, I count myself as a blow in , need another 200 years to qualify as a local. :D Today most of us see the railway bridge or the road to the Dump as the boundary between Rush and Lusk but a hundred years ago Lusk ended at Whitestown.

    Say in 1912 they had more trains than 1848.

    Thoms Directory 1848
    At the railway station, the sixth from Dublin, and which is common to Rush and Lusk, the trains from Dublin to Drogheda stop at 23 min. past 8 and 39 min. past 11, a.m., 9 min. past 4, and 53 min. past. 5, P.m. The up-trains to Dublin stop at 55 min. past 8, and 48 min. past 11, A.M., and 48 min. past 5, and 55 min. past 8, p.m.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Yes I can or am just assuming for example....
    Hartford and McDonald, General Drapers and Hardware.
    This would be Harfords on Main St where Ocean Inn is. I delivered post there. It is closed about 20 yrs now

    Armstrong, Michael, Wine and Spirit Merchant, The Square
    This is now the Carlyan pub. Many a good night I had there trying to get a bottle of beer of Margie, Malachy or Mike Joe

    Derham, Mrs. Margaret, Vintner
    Now the Strand bar, Shermans on Main St. I remember older people calling it Derhams years ago. It then became St Lawrences & Mortons I think

    Langan, David, Shoeing and General Smith
    Langan, Thomas, Blacksmith
    Langan Bros., Blacksmiths
    I remember Langans forge on Lr. Main St where The Forge apartments are now. After Langans Paddy Dempsey had a steele business from there. 2 doors down from the previously mentioned Attracta Foley and Just up the road from The Harbour Bar owned at that time by Philip Follenus.
    There was a ballroom on the Channel Rd back then owned by Langans (I think) The Blue Lagoon It would have been where the second house on Right hand side as you come up the channel Rd from Rogerstown
    is now.

    Echlin, Matthew, Builder, Contractor, Carpenter, Painter, Decorator, and Undertaker, Main Street
    Echlin court stands where these people lived. I remember the house as a ruins. It was pulled down around 1982/3 to make way for Echlin Court.

    Some of the names I never heard of here while others are still quite strong, Gough, Grimley, Jones, Kane Kelly.

    I remember Mrs Grimley living 2 doors down from Harbour Bar, Remember the house the car crashed into last year? She lived there.

    There are older Rush names not mentioned, Beashel, Bollards, Bissett, Butterly, Coleman, Fitzgerald, Lynch, but these while self employed might not have had registered business'

    Anyone remember Mrs Keavey in her caravan up the Sandy Rd?

    Very good LeoB, where was Mrs Weldon the PostMistress?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Very good LeoB, where was Mrs Weldon the PostMistress?

    Jeasus not in my time:)
    Possibly where hacketts is now
    I think the post office was where Hacketts is now. That was formerly Mackey's Butcher shop. Remember Paddy Mackey? A big man who stood at the house door most days who had a great interest in Greyhounds. His sister the famous Mary Jo was the postmistress when i started with P & T in 1980. She had a tongue like a chiled but was a decent woman in her own way. Her brother Jem worked in the post office also. Another Brother Kit was a charachter. He was a shoe maker among other things. A staunch republican who I heard once was chased by the Black and Tans accross the North beach but he got away from them in Hilly Skilly's

    Lamb, John, Mason
    Wonder if this person is related to Katie Lamb who lived up Doctors Lane? She wore black all her life and her teeth used to chatter, even in the summer.

    Wonder if there is any record of Margaret Burke Sheridan singing in Rush or around Fingal. I heard she sang when they were raising funds for the Girls school, now the community centre. I think she was the first Irish person to sing in La Scala Opera house in Milan


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    LeoB wrote: »
    Jeasus not in my time:)
    Possibly where hacketts is now
    I think the post office was where Hacketts is now. That was formerly Mackey's Butcher shop. Remember Paddy Mackey? A big man who stood at the house door most days who had a great interest in Greyhounds. His sister the famous Mary Jo was the postmistress when i started with P & T in 1980. She had a tongue like a chiled but was a decent woman in her own way. Her brother Jem worked in the post office also. Another Brother Kit was a charachter. He was a shoe maker among other things. A staunch republican who I heard once was chased by the Black and Tans accross the North beach but he got away from them in Hilly Skilly's

    Lamb, John, Mason
    Wonder if this person is related to Katie Lamb who lived up Doctors Lane? She wore black all her life and her teeth used to chatter, even in the summer.

    Wonder if there is any record of Margaret Burke Sheridan singing in Rush or around Fingal. I heard she sang when they were raising funds for the Girls school, now the community centre. I think she was the first Irish person to sing in La Scala Opera house in Milan


    I think we covered the Margaret Burke Sheridan before Leo, your starting to ramble now!! :D

    I believe if you read Niall Weldon Book, the incident about the border crossing during WW2 with an unnamed Local councillor to see greyhounds in Belfast that turned into a smuggling run might ring some bells with what you said above about a certain person. Nice to read we kept the Rush smuggling traditions going well into the 1940s!!

    The Post Office I believe was at the top of Post Office Lane(Convent Lane before the Convent) on the Square side of the lane.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    I think we covered the Margaret Burke Sheridan before Leo, your starting to ramble now!! :D

    I believe if you read Niall Weldon Book, the incident about the border crossing during WW2 with an unnamed Local councillor to see greyhounds in Belfast that turned into a smuggling run might ring some bells with what you said above about a certain person. Nice to read we kept the Rush smuggling traditions going well into the 1940s!!

    The Post Office I believe was at the top of Post Office Lane(Convent Lane before the Convent) on the Square side of the lane.

    I am enjoying this thread so much rambling would be putting it mildly.....

    The location of the post office would have been around the Technical school was?
    Would that have been a F.F cllr? With a musical sister. Think I know who your talking about.
    The smuggling went on well after the 40s. I actually didnt read that book on Niall Weldon, "Sand in my shoes"?

    On Mrs Keavey on the Sandy Rd.
    We believed as children she was some sort of "wicth" There was a wheel on the end of her caravan and we believed if this wheel was turned her bed turned upside down and she fell out. So one morning Young Mr LeoB and his best pal decided to get her up early and I drew the short straw. Over the road I go and try to turn the wheel it had moved just a little when a hand landed on my shoulder and declared "Im Up"! Well I nearly s**t myself with fright. Id say Mrs Keavey is still grinning. The caravan was opposite where Rush Credit union is now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Very interesting to know, I count myself as a blow in , need another 200 years to qualify as a local. :D Today most of us see the railway bridge or the road to the Dump as the boundary between Rush and Lusk but a hundred years ago Lusk ended at Whitestown.

    Say in 1912 they had more trains than 1848.

    Thoms Directory 1848

    Up to fairly recently maybe 2007 or 2002 some of the Channel Rd in Rush voted in Lusk. I think the cut off may have been Knockers Hill which is the lane along the side of the Graveyard as it was from that point which the people voted in Rush anything below that voted in Lusk but only on the right hand side as you went down the Channel Rd.

    Whitestown House still gets its request for Easter dues from St. Macullens church in Lusk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    World War 1

    Quite a few famalies in NCD served for King & Country during WW1 or were killed at sea by the enemy when working in the Merchant Navy or fishing off the Irish coastline.

    The below site is quite good do not all NCD soldiers killed are listed. As the site says its work in progress. Dead from the Naul, Skerries, Balbriggan, Donabate, Swords, Rolestown, Howth, Malahide and Lusk listed at present.

    Dublin Casualities of WW1


    Rush Dead- click on name for more info

    Nicholas Beashel
    John Condron
    Michael Farren
    Thomas Hughes
    Thomas Kane
    Patrick Leonard
    Christoper McCann
    John McCann
    Bernard Smart


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    World War 1

    Quite a few famalies in NCD served for King & Country during WW1 or were killed at sea by the enemy when working in the Merchant Navy or fishing off the Irish coastline.

    The below site is quite good do not all NCD soldiers killed are listed. As the site says its work in progress. Dead from the Naul, Skerries, Balbriggan, Donabate, Swords, Rolestown, Howth, Malahide and Lusk listed at present.

    Dublin Casualities of WW1


    Rush Dead- click on name for more info

    Nicholas Beashel
    John Condron
    Michael Farren
    Thomas Hughes
    Thomas Kane
    Patrick Leonard
    Christoper McCann
    John McCann
    Bernard Smart

    Thats great to see. I imagine there are quite a few houses with medals in drawers or certificates stashed away from WWW.1

    Beashel is a name not so common around here now but a lot of people on here will remember Richard Beashel who drove the 33 bus for many years and who passed away suddenly a few yers ago. I remember Charlie and Alice Beashel from the Brook off the main st. They lived to be very big ages, in their 90s when passed away about 25-30years ago which would have made them approx 15-20 at the time of his death so they possibly would have known him but it does not give his age or details of parents

    Farren, Leonard and McCann are still very common names around the town with one of them married to a Cosgrove who live on Lr. Main St but used to have a shop around the Bawn Road. Farrens still live down the Sandy Hills. The only name I am not familiar with from around here is Smart

    The name Condron people will remember more recently from Hayestown and a popular man called Mickey Condron

    Local man David Snook has done some great research in ww1 and casulties from Rush. He put on a exhibition a number of years ago and I would say this will be put again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Came across this interesting guide A TOPOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY OF IRELAND by Samual Lewis 1837. It covers the same info as previous guides but adds more detail. Also for anyone interested it covers Skerries, Balbriggan, Swords, Naul, Garristown, Baldungan, Howth and Lusk

    A TOPOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY OF IRELAND
    RUSH, a small sea-port and fishing town, in the parish of LUSK, barony of BALROTHERY, county of DUBLIN, and province of LEINSTER, 6 miles (N. E.) from Swords, and 13 ½ (N. by E.) from Dublin; containing 2144 inhabitants. This town, which is situated on the eastern coast, contains 442 houses, chiefly inhabited by fishermen; and has, since the 16th century, been celebrated for the great quantities of ling which are taken and cured by the inhabitants. Previously to the discontinuance of the fishing bounties, 22 boats were employed in this fishery, which number has since been reduced to 16 of about 40 tons each, carrying seven or eight men. The harbour is difficult of access, and consequently adapted only for small vessels. The channel has from seven to eight feet depth at low water, and is much exposed to a heavy swell during the prevalence of winds from the north-east. A small pier has been erected on a ledge of rock extending into the sea, and covered on the north side by a reef of rocks, which affords good accommodation to the vessels employed in the fishery.
    The sands are celebrated for early potatoes, which are produced here in abundance. On the south side of the bay, and to the east of the pier, are beds of fine compact limestone and black slate clay and conglomerate limestone alternating. A coast-guard station has been established here, forming one of the nine which constitute the district of Swords; a constabulary police force is stationed in the town, and there is a martello tower on the beach.
    A patent exists for fairs on May 1st and Sept. 29th, but they are not held. The parish church is three miles distant, and therefore, for the accommodation of the town, divine service is performed once every Sunday in the parochial schoolroom, a large and commodious building, in which are a lending library and a depository of bibles: In the R. C. divisions the town forms the head of a union or district, including also Lambay island and part of the adjoining districts: there are chapels at Rush and on Lambay island; the former was built about 70 years since, and a tower, embattled and surmounted with a cross, was added to it in 1833, by subscription; the interior is well fitted up and has a carved altar-piece brought from France.
    Adjoining it is the residence of the parish priest, built in 1823 by subscription, to which the late Mrs. Palmer, of Rush House, largely contributed and also gave an acre and a half of land for a site. A dispensary in the town is supported in the usual manner.
    About half a mile from the town is Rush House, now called Kenure Park, formerly the residence of the great Duke of Ormonde, and subsequently of Sir Henry Echlin, Bart., from whom it was purchased by an ancestor of Sir W. H. Palmer, Bart., its present proprietor. The mansion is spacious and handsome, and contains many good apartments, a collection of valuable paintings by the first masters, and a selection of vases and other relics from the remains of Pompeii, collected by the late Mr. Palmer when in Italy.
    The demesne is richly embellished with stately timber, and commands some interesting views, embracing the town of Rush, Lambay island, and a great expanse of sea; and within the grounds are the picturesque ruins of Kenure church, in which is a large tomb inscribed to the memory of George, fourth Baron of Strabane, who died in 1668. Near these ruins are the remains of an ancient castle, a holy well dedicated to St. Catherine, and part of an ancient cross.


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