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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Beasty wrote: »
    the plane was completely stripped by souvenir hunters - anyone from the area care to admit to having a propellor hanging up above their fireplace:)?

    NO;)!!

    (she) The plane was stripped as they searched frantically for the black box!!

    But at this stage could someone not keep them anyway. Ya know the finders rights law/rule.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Smuggling and The Coastguard

    In the 18th and 19th century Rush was a hotbed of smuggling of contraband into Ireland. The areas location near Dublin but not too close to the Authorities made it an ideal location. The more successful smugglers sometimes moved into a life of privateering such as Luke Ryan from Kenure. Others like Jack "The Bachelor" Connors concentrated on the smuggling trade. The early trade was between Rush and the Isle of Man were the Lord of Atoll was Independent of mainland duties. Later the Isle of Man trade switche to direct trade to France, Spain and the Low Countries. In accounts Rush built whorry boats for the smuggling trade between the Isle of Man and Scotland. The boats flat bottom design made it ideal to slip into shallow inlets.

    The Coast Blockade which manned the Martello Towers were a branch of the navy and the Water Guard were customs. Together they were formed to give us the Preventative Water Guard which later became known as the coast guard. Later in the 1800s the coastguard main task moved away from smuggling to concentrate on the rescue of striken crews. The Coastguard became the reserve force for the Royal Navy in times of War.

    Luke Ryan-Irish Privateer who was commissed by Benjamin Franklin to fight the British
    http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume7/issue2/features/?id=196
    http://www.suite101.com/content/the-irish-pirate-and-benjamin-franklin-a200815

    Jack The Bachelor- seems a man ahead of his time that he managed to write a book of his adventures , you may be able to request the book at the local library.
    http://books.google.ie/books?id=prsNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=jack+the+bachelor+connors&source=bl&ots=FhO6s4xDIO&sig=xm70U1FcIX6jWfEbNAnPiUT7AVU&hl=en&ei=jzRtTLfPLYu94Aakm5n0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Lord of Isle of Man Paper concerning smuggling between Rush and the Isle of Man 1764
    http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/history/ap/ap_40b16.htm

    Further link on smuggling trade between the Isle of Man and Rush
    http://www.ancestryireland.com/hip_statutes.php?filename=16.1.5

    18th century smuggling in Rush, you may be able to get access to the full article in public library.
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/25505149

    Coastguard reports of Smugglers landing in Loughshinny 1821 and fight with Coastguard and 200-300 local smugglers
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=69
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=70

    Coastguard Stations Timeline
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=96

    List from 1900 of Irish Coastguard stations
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=98

    List of Coastguard Senior Ranks 1841
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=100

    Account of the effect of the Troubles in 1920 on the coastguard and the burning of local stations in Rush and Rogerstown
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=195

    List of Gallantry medals awarded to Coastguard from 1824-1922 in Ireland including two actions by the Balbriggan crew, one by Skerries and one by Lambay.
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=208

    Extract of Diary of Skerries Coastguard 1852
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=296

    Early history of the amalgamation of the two branches, water guard who were customs and coast blockade that were formed together to give us the coast guard
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=32

    Dressing down of the Coast Officers 1819 responsible for Rush
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=55


    Service record of James O'Halloran who served in Malahide and Lambay.
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=182

    How the coastguard did there bit to provide famine relief in the west of Ireland
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=200

    Letters to OPW regarding repairs on Rush Coastguard stations
    http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=227



    Rush Coastguard station at the Park just across from the Harbour Bar
    124776.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    The Age of Cinema in Rush

    Rush for many years has been used as a loction for movies. Tv series such as the Irish RM and lately the Inspector George Gently have also made use of the period buildings in the area. The first recorded movie to be filmed in the area was the "In the Days of Saint Patrick" in 1917.


    From the Story of Irish Film, Currach
    In 1917 the General Film Company of Ireland headed by Norman Whitten,
    with J.W. Mackey in charge of production and J. Gordon Lewis as cameraman,
    produced In the Days of Saint Patrick. The film directed by Whitten starred a well
    known Queen’s Theatre actor, Ira Allan, in the title role. Alice Cardinall played
    Patrick’s mother, George Griffin was King Laoghaire, Maud Hume the Queen
    and T. O’Carroll Reynolds played Niall of the Nine Hostages. One of the slaves
    was a black boxer named Cyclone Billy Warren, a notable character around
    Dublin for a long time. The main location was Rush, Co Dublin and the
    ambitious production featured pirate galleys and chariot races. The film took a
    year of patiently watching the weather and seasons to capture the perfect
    conditions for filming. The results more than justified the difficult conditions and
    the critics reviewed it warmly. In the Days of Saint Patrick was well received
    throughout Ireland and England by trade and public alike.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131439/fullcredits#cast

    Other selected movies:

    Kenure House before it was demolished played host to:

    Ten Little Indians 1965
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061075/

    Trailer but not original soundtrack
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA8PFd_st5I

    Jules Verne Rocket to the Moon also know as Those Fantastic Flying Fools 1967
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062363/

    Intro credits
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFgiGIM1jk

    The Face of Fu Manchu 1965
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059162/
    Trailer
    http://www.archive.org/details/DonSharpsTheFaceOfFuManchuMovieTrailer1965

    Another film that did a major part of filming in Rush was Some Mothers Son in 1996, sure someone has a ohoto of the RUC station down at the Square.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117690/


    Actors/Actresses with Rush connections

    Marie Kean- local actress who acted for John Huston and Stanley Kubrick
    http://akas.imdb.com/name/nm0443811/


    Godfrey Quigley- close family connections with Rush, one of the few actors to appear in two Stanley Kubrick moves.
    Performing in Clockwork Orange:
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0703501/

    If anyone has more connections please add to thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭Martron


    amazing stuff corsendonk. !!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Brendan Behan stayed in a house on Hands Lane. He is related to McManus family, not sure on what side, Bernard and Bridie. Bernard used to have an electrical shop on the square back around 1960-64, I dont remember it I read an ad he had in a book. Brendans wife Beatrice then lived in the house for a few years when they seperated. She then became very "friendly with Cathal Goulding. I remember seeing her when I was a child and she was an attractive lady.

    Brendan Gleeson is married to a Rush girl. A cousin of his wife's has appeared in quite a few T.V dramas, Cormac McDonagh from the Bawn

    Rambo used to be in Rush quite a bit, at Fianna Fail cumann meetings, was he really a movie star or Ray Burke?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭Martron


    LeoB wrote: »
    Brendan Behan stayed in a house on Hands Lane. He is related to McManus family, not sure on what side, Bernard and Bridie. Bernard used to have an electrical shop on the square back around 1960-64, I dont remember it I read an ad he had in a book. Brendans wife Beatrice then lived in the house for a few years when they seperated. She then became very "friendly with Cathal Goulding. I remember seeing her when I was a child and she was an attractive lady.

    Brendan Gleeson is married to a Rush girl. A cousin of his wife's has appeared in quite a few T.V dramas, Cormac McDonagh from the Bawn

    Rambo used to be in Rush quite a bit, at Fianna Fail cumann meetings, was he really a movie star or Ray Burke?

    you are like the historic tattler leo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Martron wrote: »
    you are like the historic tattler leo.

    Yes sometimes he is even correct :p


    I thought I throw this one in for debate. I heard this tale a few times from friends in Swords, I always thought they were just jealous of our good clean sea air and fondness of avoiding tax out this way! Now I have never seen the below on reputable source sites just on the less accurate 10 things for tourists to know about Dublin sites. But apparently my friends say there is evidence of this in Swords library too. So is there any truth or a red herring???

    In 1761 a family of itinerants from Navan
    were refused entry to Dublin. The family settled
    on the outskirts of the city and created the town
    of Rush. Two hundred and fifty years later, a
    large percentage of the population of Rush can
    still trace their roots back to this one family.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Yes sometimes he is even correct :p


    I thought I throw this one in for debate. I heard this tale a few times from friends in Swords, I always thought they were just jealous of our good clean sea air and fondness of avoiding tax out this way! Now I have never seen the below on reputable source sites just on the less accurate 10 things for tourists to know about Dublin sites. But apparently my friends say there is evidence of this in Swords library too. So is there any truth or a red herring???

    Please point out where I am incorrect................ I will gladly delete or correct any incorrect post I have posted.

    As for your quote I would say its the greatest load of Bollox bull I have ever read. This is a wind up. Its not the 1st of April. Is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »

    Rush Coastguard station at the Park just across from the Harbour Bar
    124776.jpg

    The house with the white gable end is where I lived for my first 12 years. Ther is just an empty space there now with an old pump on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭focus_mad


    Me grandmother's family are from the corner of Sandly Lane. All the Foleys are my relations.

    She said when she was a kid the family in Kenure House used to have a childrens day for all the kids in the parish to come up to the grand house there in the park.
    Kenure House in its prime;

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    And sadly now;

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    Oh and this film was shot there;

    face_of_fu_manchu.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    I stumbled across this interesting extract from the Dail. As Rush and North Dublin was the centre of market gardening in Ireland it attracted talented growers from abroad who later became Irish citizens. The date under there profession is there date of entry into the state.

    Dail Eireann 22 Oct 1947- written response to the issuing of naturalisation papers. The following are particulars of the aliens to whom certificates of naturalisation were granted from the 1st of January, 1946, to the 20th of October, 1947:—


    RUIGROK, Wilhelmus Theodorus.
    Main Street, Rush, Co. Dublin
    Bulb Grower
    12th Dec., 1935

    KUNZ, Jeno
    The Nurseries, Rush, Co. Dublin.
    Horticulturist
    18th May, 1937

    JONG, Gysbertus Arnoldus de
    Ballykea, Lusk, Co. Dublin
    Nurseryman
    October, 1933

    BLAKE, Henry James MACDONALD, John Angus.
    Main Street, Rush, Co. Dublin 9 Seapoint Avenue, Black- rock, Dublin.
    Clerical Officer Estate Agent and Auctioneer.
    May, 1936 4th Sept., 1939




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Tomato Industry North Co. Dublin


    The tomato growing industry has been a central factor to the success of horticulture in NCD. The EU has been largely blamed for the decline with cheaper imports from Holland and Spain flooding the market here. Ireland joined the EU in 1967. The below extract and link are from a Dail debate on the flooding of the market with cheaper dutch imports in 1950. Interesting overview of the industry, what would 1.5 million pounds in 1950 be worth in todays money?

    Dáil Éireann - Volume 122 - 18 July, 1950

    Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate—Prices of Tomatoes
    Mr Dunne TD

    This industry consists largely of approximately 650 growers. It represents a capital investment of £1,500,000, that is, in the provision of glass-houses, heating equipment and so on. The tomato growers' organisation claims that they employ something in the neighbourhood of 1,000 operatives. That number may be subject to examination, but, to my own knowledge, the number of men actually employed in the Dublin area runs into some hundreds, so far as wage workers are concerned. In my own constituency of North County Dublin, in Rush and Lusk and Skerries particularly, and in other parts of the county, there are a considerable number of small landowners, small farmers with anything from half an acre to four or five acres, working at this industry for a long period and trying to get a living from it.

    During the years of the war, when imports of any kind were impossible, there was a pretty substantial return to any person who embarked on this particular line of business, and indeed the criticism which could have been made then was that no restriction whatever was placed, during those years, upon the price of tomatoes as they came to the consuming public. However, since the end of the war, with imports of all kinds becoming available to a greater extent, the Minister for Agriculture—and, we may assume, the Minister for Industry and Commerce — has adopted a policy of allowing unrestricted import of Dutch tomatoes, and this is having a disastrous effect upon the tomato-growing industry here.

    http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=1282319115&amp;view=oho-view&amp;docrank=234&amp;numhitsfound=1250&amp;query=Rush Dublin&amp;query_rule=(($query1)<=DATE<=($query2)) AND (($query4)):SPEAKER AND (($query5)):heading AND (($query6)):CATEGORY AND (($query3)):house AND (($query7)):volume AND (($query8)):colnumber AND (($query))&amp;query2=19600101&amp;docid=79128&amp;docdb=Debates&amp;dbname=Debates&amp;starthit=225&amp;sorting=none&amp;operator=and&amp;TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&amp;setCookie=1


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    That is serious money generated back then when you consider the level of emigration during them times from the west of Ireland.

    I cant think of anyone I went to primary school with who didnt earn money picking tomatoes or twisting and Shooting. Most would have paid enough for covering the cost of back to school. There were some massive growers back them Flynn's Farrens, Butterlys and Murrays. I got my money to go on scouts Jambora in 1977 working in Farren's in Hayestown. Think it cost €40 for the 10 days at Mt. Mellary in Waterford.

    We kept local tailor Roger King busy making us fancy dress costumes:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Ok I know this is technically not Rush but its a landmark that you can see from Rush Harbour and North Beach.

    Rockabill Lighthouse


    Wikipedia entry for the site,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockabill

    Brief Service History of Lighthouse
    http://www.commissionersofirishlights.com/cil/aids-to-navigation/lighthouses/rockabill.aspx

    George Halpin- architect of Rockabill career and works
    http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/2341#tab_biography

    Geological Site report of Fingal, that includes Rockabill and Milverton Quarry were the stone from the Lighthouse was sourced
    http://www.gsi.ie/NR/rdonlyres/52A5C479-FCFE-4D50-9451-56A2965207C6/0/Fingal_section2_part3.pdf

    Abstract of Paper from Skerries Historical Society on the History of Rockabill
    http://indigo.ie/~skerries/history/rept0506.html

    Formal Wreck Report of the Sinking of the Steamship Strathtay in 1885 off Lambay.
    http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/15062.asp

    Formal Wreck Report of the Sinking of the City of Amsterdam in 1885 off Lambay.
    http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/14904.asp

    Account of the life of a Lighthouse Keeper on the East Coast of Ireland
    http://cil.adnet.ie/sh1100x5842.html

    Good Link of images of Rockabill- solar panels fitted in 2006 visible
    http://marinas.com/view/lighthouse/520_Rockabill_Lighthouse_Skerries_Dublin

    Birdlife on Rockabill
    http://www.bwifingal.ie/rockabill_project.htm

    Link for the most famous modern Lighthouse in the World, Bell Rock off the East Coast of Scotland and how lighthouses are built.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/bell_rock_01.shtml


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    A friend of mine was out there last year in his boat and there was quite a survey being done. They could not go onto to rock but he got some cracking photos.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    That pic of the coastguard house in the park is amazing, its cool to see the road Iv been walking up and down for the past 20 years in such a different state/time. Any chance someone will have a picture of pictures of the harbour? before it was there? during construction? or even the beaches before that road/wall was built? Iv always wondered what it looked like and just HOW old that wall/road is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    The present Rush Harbour has a build date of 1820-1850 with the main build circa 1835. Cameras were still only in the very early stages of development in 1850 so unless someone can dig up a painting from the time, not a chance of knowing what it looked like without the harbour.

    Its a pretty impressive harbour if you compare it to the other harbours in the area with a large area sheltered but silt and north east winds inhibited the fishing as did the collapse of the Ling and cod fishing industry and the move to non tidal harbours like Howth. Some accounts state that the original pier was built by the Duke of Ormonde in the time of James the Second who reigned from 1685-1688. It actually is in need of the services of a good stone mason.

    Chapters of Dublin History
    A short distance beyond Whitestown is Rush, enumerated by Hollinshed as one of the chief haven towns of Ireland, and once celebrated for the curing of ling, and the extensive pursuit of other fisheries. The harbour having, however, become more difficult of access, the bounty having been withdrawn, and the inhabitants being less adventurous than their neighbours of Skerries, the fisheries here have wholly declined, a fact which was strikingly evidenced by the boats that lay rotting on the shore.

    Chapters of Dublin History
    The sea here affords a plentiful supply of the raiae asperae, thornbacks, commonly called maiden ray, which are dried and saved by the inhabitants, and an oil extracted from them. A large rock oyster is also found here, but so full of salt that it is more particularly used in sauces. The fishery here has, as before suggested, greatly declined. In 1820 there were 23 boats of from 25 to 55 tons burthen, and each employed on board eight men; at present only eight of these boats are engaged in the fisheries, and each of them employs eight men. The harbour is dry, and wherries cannot get round the pier-head until half flood; they are liable to be wrecked should the wind blow hard from the eastward, in which case they are obliged to haul up close to the ground, and frequently get scraped in consequence. The wear and tear of ropes is thus very great, and, unless some assistance towards erecting a new harbour is obtained, the fishing vessels will be destroyed in a few years, already more than half have been lost since the abolition of the bounties.

    There is a phrase in NCD of calling people from Skerries "Skerries Goats" can anyone tell me what people from Rush are called in turn?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    Rush heads, haha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Nope, the article above gives a clue, maybe Leo knows. Nickname not much used these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Nope, the article above gives a clue, maybe Leo knows. Nickname not much used these days.

    I heard one before but fckd if I can remember it. An aunt of mine used to use it in part of a poem.

    Anyone know or have the words of
    East of Eden

    Theres a seaside town in Eireann and its growing day by day
    Its on the eastern shorelineline and its facing towards Lambay
    Tis there they grow the best of crops the praties and the wheat.......................................

    Its to the tune of the Wearing of the green


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    LeoB wrote: »

    Anyone know or have the words of
    East of Eden

    Theres a seaside town in Eireann and its growing day by day
    Its on the eastern shorelineline and its facing towards Lambay
    Tis there they grow the best of crops the praties and the wheat.......................................

    Its to the tune of the Wearing of the green

    I heard that song about 20years ago at an Annual Mass for deceased members in St. Maurs. The late Pat Butterly from the Cross, a great charachter sang it. For our 75th Anniversary I put togeather a book and this is an extract from it.

    Liverpool 1936
    A remarkable feature of 1936 was a trip undertaken by St. Maurs to visit Liverpool. A lot of Irish workers went there picking potatoes for the harvest season and made their homes there. The city of Liverpool and surrounding countryside had a massive Irish population. The population of Liverpool in 1845 was approx 350,000, by 1852 it was over 700,000 a lot of them Irish people who emigrated during the famine.

    The St. Maurs team would play a match against a team of exiles called Eire Óg. The match was played in Thingwall Park and St. Maurs won by 6...3 to 3..2. Jimmy McMahon scored 5..2 Willie Lynch 1 goal and John McCann1pt.

    The following notice appeared in the evening herald
    St. Maurs G.F.C (Rush)
    The following players are to meet for a special bus Saturday night at 9p.m. FitzGerald 2, Jones 2, Sandes, Clarke, Kane, Leonard, Attley, Lynch, Monks, Butterly, Daly, McMahon, McCann, Gosson, Newcomen.
    Boat leaves North wall at 11pm.

    There were 2 very young players on the trip who both went on to have very distinguished careers with St. Maurs, Pat Butterly and Jackser Newcomen. In 2003 Jackser recalled "how cold it was on the boat going accross, the team spent the night on the deck". Jackser also played a match as a "Guest" who played in a final the next day.

    Great times and just a snippet of the travel arrangments back then. Every player on that trip,except 1 has a relative still playing for St. Maurs .


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,566 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    The present Rush Harbour has a build date of 1820-1850 with the main build circa 1835. Cameras were still only in the very early stages of development in 1850 so unless someone can dig up a painting from the time, not a chance of knowing what it looked like without the harbour.

    Its a pretty impressive harbour if you compare it to the other harbours in the area with a large area sheltered but silt and north east winds inhibited the fishing as did the collapse of the Ling and cod fishing industry and the move to non tidal harbours like Howth. Some accounts state that the original pier was built by the Duke of Ormonde in the time of James the Second who reigned from 1685-1688. It actually is in need of the services of a good stone mason.

    Chapters of Dublin History


    Chapters of Dublin History


    There is a phrase in NCD of calling people from Skerries "Skerries Goats" can anyone tell me what people from Rush are called in turn?

    Rush people, as far as I know, were called "Rays" as there used to be an abundance of ray in and around Rogerstown estuary and probably Rush in general. Swords people were "Half doors" from the saloon style doors seen there, Balbriggan people were "Half shirts" due to some factory that existed there at one time that made under garments of some sort. It was from some poem or song that was about the people of Fingal.

    From my father and grandfather I know that Lady Palmer of the Rush Palmers had the power to go into the local national school and have a word with the head teacher to give the kids the rest of the day off if it was a nice day. Also I think she or her husband had a fund set up to give 100 pound dowries to any bride from a not so well to do family within a certain radius of the Palmers' Kenure estate. It was only given to couples married in May though, hence it's name "The May money". I think my father and mother got married in May in order to capitalize on that dowry but they didn't get it. As far as I know though, the account that contains the monies still exists in some bank but is inactive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    briany wrote: »
    Rush people, as far as I know, were called "Rays" as there used to be an abundance of ray in and around Rogerstown estuary and probably Rush in general. Swords people were "Half doors" from the saloon style doors seen there, Balbriggan people were "Half shirts" due to some factory that existed there at one time that made under garments of some sort. It was from some poem or song that was about the people of Fingal.

    From my father and grandfather I know that Lady Palmer of the Rush Palmers had the power to go into the local national school and have a word with the head teacher to give the kids the rest of the day off if it was a nice day. Also I think she or her husband had a fund set up to give 100 pound dowries to any bride from a not so well to do family within a certain radius of the Palmers' Kenure estate. It was only given to couples married in May though, hence it's name "The May money". I think my father and mother got married in May in order to capitalize on that dowry but they didn't get it. As far as I know though, the account that contains the monies still exists in some bank but is inactive.

    We have a winner!! Interesting to note the Swords nickname too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Cant say I have heard the nickname, bit like an american football team The Rush Rays v The Miami Dolphins........

    Does anyone know what is the purpose of the range wall? Protection of the harbour or the old R.I.C barrack at the park?
    Interesting reading about the collapse of the fishing industry. I have been in contact with a man from Boston who ancestors left here between 1890-1908 and are now among the biggest fish merchants is U.S.A. O'Hara from Channel Rd. He has done quite a bit of research
    Palmers had quite a bit of power and some good connections. The had Margaret Burke Sheridan sing when they raised money for the building of the old girls national school around 1907.

    briany, The "may money" is no longer in a bank, it has been transfered to N.A.M.A.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Cant say I have heard the nickname, bit like an american football team The Rush Rays v The Miami Dolphins........

    Does anyone know what is the purpose of the range wall? Protection of the harbour or the old R.I.C barrack at the park?
    Interesting reading about the collapse of the fishing industry. I have been in contact with a man from Boston who ancestors left here between 1890-1908 and are now among the biggest fish merchants is U.S.A. O'Hara from Channel Rd. He has done quite a bit of research
    Palmers had quite a bit of power and some good connections. The had Margaret Burke Sheridan sing when they raised money for the building of the old girls national school around 1907.

    briany, The "may money" is no longer in a bank, it has been transfered to N.A.M.A.


    The Ray nickname is very old.

    Who was Margaret Burke Sheridan?

    That was the coastguard station at the harbour. The IRA burnt it down. The RIC barracks was on Barrack lane wasnt it??? An RIC constable was shot there by the IRA and died a few days later but I couldn't find an account of the incident online. Anyone know who shot him?

    The Palmers also had some controversial views, they viewed there tenents in Rush as hard working and honest people while their tenents in the West were lazy and avoided work.

    Just a little piece I came across about an important item that was among the contents of Kenure.

    Daily Telegraph 14 June 2008
    The Kenure Cabinet belonged to the late Simon Sainsbury, a scion of the supermarket dynasty, and is widely regarded as the finest example of Thomas Chippendale's work ever to be offered for sale.

    It is part of an extensive collection of furniture and paintings which belonged to Sainsbury, who died in 2006. The philanthropist left instructions in his will to sell the contents of his 18th century country house for charity.

    The mahogany piece, made in the 1750s, will be on view at Christie's in London until Wednesday, ahead of the Exceptional Furniture auction on June 18.

    Dating from Chippendale's most influential period in the late 1750s, it is a Chinese fantasy cabinet designed to display exotic ceramics.

    Its original owner was Sir Roger Palmer, who inherited Kenure Park in County Dublin, Ireland, in 1811. It was sold onto Sainsbury in the 1960s and has not been seen in public since.

    Auctioneers at Christies have given the piece an estimate of between £2.5 and £4 million, and it is expected to set a new sale record. The most expensive piece of British furniture sold to date is the Anglesey Desk, which fetched £1.76m at Christie's in July 1993.


    It fetched £2.7 at auction in the end which was still a record and a photo below.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Margaret Burke Sheridan was an opera singer. She was I think the first Irish singer to perform at La Scala. She was from Mayo and the Palmers had her sing for them. Do you remember the Palmer decendents coming back about 20 years ago looking for ground rent, I think from houses in the Bawn area? That cabinet would fit in my hall, handy for throwing the car keys on!!

    The barracks were behind the Firestation?

    Can you throw any light on Range wall?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭TangyZizzle


    LeoB wrote: »
    Can you throw any light on Range wall?

    Id be interested in this too, or any info anyone has on the actual carlyan rocks, I heard that they were mined(dunno if that word fits here, but you know what I mean) and used as building material around the town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    Margaret Burke Sheridan was an opera singer. She was I think the first Irish singer to perform at La Scala. She was from Mayo and the Palmers had her sing for them. Do you remember the Palmer decendents coming back about 20 years ago looking for ground rent, I think from houses in the Bawn area? That cabinet would fit in my hall, handy for throwing the car keys on!!

    The barracks were behind the Firestation?

    Can you throw any light on Range wall?

    Lady Palmer paid for her bursary to study at Covent Garden.


    Yes the Barracks was down that part of town, then later the Garda station was built at the site of the town bakery next the new church.. I think you can see the Garda leaning out the door of the station in the previous photo of the chains at the woods entrance.

    I don't know anything about the range wall, do you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Lady Palmer paid for her bursary to study at Covent Garden.


    Yes the Barracks was down that part of town, then later the Garda station was built at the site of the town bakery next the new church.. I think you can see the Garda leaning out the door of the station in the previous photo of the chains at the woods entrance.

    I don't know anything about the range wall, do you?

    No dont know a thing a thing about it. Have asked 1 or 2 and they drew blanks also.

    Would like to know the date of the photo you mention that icludes the Garda at the door.!!!! The conductor on the last Howth tram was a Garda stationed in Rush back in the 1920s. Tom McCarville a native of Newbliss Co. Monaghan and Peter Fallon from Ballinasloe Co. Galway were among the founding members of St. Maurs G.A.A club back in 1928, and Mr McCarville was the conductor. He later joined the Fintan Lawlor pipe band and Laurence O'Toole band and performed against St. Maurs pipe band on a few occasions. I met his son a few years ago. Jeasus im full of useless information......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    LeoB wrote: »
    No dont know a thing a thing about it. Have asked 1 or 2 and they drew blanks also.

    Would like to know the date of the photo you mention that icludes the Garda at the door.!!!! The conductor on the last Howth tram was a Garda stationed in Rush back in the 1920s. Tom McCarville a native of Newbliss Co. Monaghan and Peter Fallon from Ballinasloe Co. Galway were among the founding members of St. Maurs G.A.A club back in 1928, and Mr McCarville was the conductor. He later joined the Fintan Lawlor pipe band and Laurence O'Toole band and performed against St. Maurs pipe band on a few occasions. I met his son a few years ago. Jeasus im full of useless information......

    I wouldnt say useless, just needs structure. Your history page on the St Maurs website is very informative. But you may need to update with the passing of Willie Price and this little classic might need changing
    Brendan is couch to our 1st football team
    ........should that be coach


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