History of rush

Martron

I am always fascianted with bits of pieces of history i hear and see about rush and even surrounding areas.

For example the picture of the chaincs corsendonk posted and the pictures and piece of story about kenure house portico.

I would love to see some pictures and even more stories about rush.
so if anyone has any please share!!!


For example the plane crash in loughshinny in 1913 i think .
and the ship wreck on lambay island.

Not sure of the details but sounds fascinating.

Thanks in advance of any bits and pieces

LeoB

Jeasus I have work tomorrow, my alarm set for 5.10am.

Where do you start? I love this place, great place to live with plenty of good people around the town, old and new and think its great to hear stories if possible, over a pint is even better. I will try and dig out a book I have and will give you a lend of it Martron

Fr Kit Sheridan is facinating to have a chat with. He has done huge research into local geneology and history and often gives talks on various topics. Rush historical society are quite good also. The local community news often has articles on local history so keep an eye out. You may be able to get old copies in Community centre.

There are quite a few local papers on the Palmer estate and no shortage of pictures.

One thing I like locally are local place names,
Dempseys corner
Roaring well
Kings gap
The hole in the wall
Mariners point
Ladys cove
Coopers Bank
The Long Hollow
The Hilly Skilly's
Goldn ridge.
I mentioned in a previous thread about nice signposts made from slash hook blades, well maybe name plates with a date would be a good idea.

I think if people knew where these places were they could possibly draw a little picture in their mind and have it partially painted at a historical. society talk

Corsendonk. I would say you could paint a good picture of a few spots around Rush. While I am into photography now I really regret not having a camera 25 - 30 years ago.

The shipwreck off Lambay Island is the John Tayleur which was sailing from Liverpool to U.S.A when it hit rocks in a storm or fog. The anchor on the square is from the wreck and was recovered by Drogheda sub aqua club a number of years ago.

Echlin COURT beside Eurospar is named after Lizzy Echlin of the aforementioned Echlin family. I remember this site as a flower farm ran by William Ruigrok. Echlin Court is built about 20-25 years.

A memory I hav from childhood is of Dr. Cusack from the harbour walking to the pump at the slip, just down from the Harbour Bar. He was member of first dail I think. I have a photograph of Eamon De Valera at his funeral in Rush about 1972/73 with my mother in the background and a few local charachters. Little did I realise I was in the presence of such history.

Anyone remember Englebert Humperdink playing in the Palladium ballroom?

Maybe we need to take a topic or decade at a time.

Oh one thing I do remember is Gerties sweetshop accross from Eurospar and I see its about to open again. Clove rocks, cola cubes, bonbons wonder will they have trigger bars?

Corsendonk

Some very interesting links for more about the sinking of the Tayleur off Lambay. I did hear when they went to carry out building work on Lambay Harbour in the 30/40s they undercovered the bodies of some of the dead that had been buried in a hurry. Among the cargo of the ship were Headstones for the new world.

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/johntayleur.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Tayleur

http://www.mii.connect.ie/history/Tayleur/Tayleur.html

http://www.donabateparishcouncil.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70:the-wreck-of-the-john-tayleur&catid=25:history&Itemid=81

Interesting article on the Tayleur Fund medal awarded for bravery to coastguards up until 1913.
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=12

Martron

this is great. i have flicked through it but this is very fascinting.

on the subject of engelbert humperdink.

i heard johnny cash played in rush once, i could be imaging this though

Martron

this is amazing stuff. where are you getting this from

LeoB

That is a fantastic bit of work.

There are quite a few connections between the directory of Rush and today. Have to go out now will post back later

sashasdad

great thread, really interesting stuff. i've been using the griffith valuation while researching my family tree and i thought i'd post the link here for anyone interested in looking up the records of tenants of the palmer family.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch

Martron

copper mines, ancient churches, smugglers, ship wrecks. this is amazing.

i am going to a bit of indiana jones stuff tomorrow and find me a some copper.

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

copper mines, ancient churches, smugglers, ship wrecks. this is amazing.

i am going to a bit of indiana jones stuff tomorrow and find me a some copper.

Speaking of smugglers that new coffe shop on Lr. Main St is supposed to be excellent.

Looking at the names quite a few have survived. One caught my eye. About 8 - 10 months ago a chap was on here from Boston trying to trace his family who emigrated in the early 1900s. They are now big fish merchants in U.S. He has done huge work collecting information and the name O'Hara hopped off the page at me. I put him in touch with some people and he completed the jigsaw.

That Owen Corr mentioned above I have a feeling I could have met his son, maybe he is not related but I would be suprised if he is not. Owen Corr used to come home to Rush from Coventry every summer and would always get to a few matchs with Jimmy Bissett. Owen was elderly when I knew him back in the 80s I will make enquirey over the week end. Interestingly A man living in Rush, David Snook has done some amazing research on Irish seamen and the name William McGee of Chapel Green lost his life possibly to a German uboat. Again I will make enquiries.

My uncle John "Big Rock" was one of many who went to see from Rush, Big Willie McGann from Hayestown, Andy Bissett from the golf rd was another, they had great stories.

The Blacksmiths mentioned bring back memories. I remember Langans forge working on Lr Main St. Kitty Langan was a blacksmith there but emigrated to Canada in 1946. He was in St. Maurs pipe band. The summer music school in Rush is named after him Scoil Samarah Chris Langan. I remember "Kitty" coming home most summers and you would not meet a nicer man. He made Uillean Pipes in Canada.

I had my first pint in Armstrongs (now Carlyan pub) and remember older people saying they were going to Derhams for a pint when I would have know it as the Cradle Rock now the Michael Collins.

When I see the name Follenus I think of the Harbour bar. Chicken on the spit on a Sunday, bus loads of tourists and Pat Sheridan and his band on a Sunday night And another that caught my eye brings me back to my very early days, Grimley. I remember Jenny Grimley as an old woman living a few doors down from the Harbour Bar, back in the late 60s. She lived where that car crashed into the house last year.

I will point a few other this way and hopefully they will join in. Martron if you see me about remind me about that book I will lend you. I had a book published a few years ago but it only covered the G.A.A.
CORSENDONK, If I win the lotto I see a new history book coming out.

Oh one more thing as Columbo might say, As a fundraiser for the building of Rush G.N.S I heard Lady Palmer had a concert at which the star attraction was Margaret Burke Sheridan the first Irish woman to sing in the famous La Scala opera house in Milan also nicknamed. Can any historians here confirm this.

Martron

how is smugglers related to the coffee shop. saw the tables outside it today . might pop down for a coffee.

itds funny i never paid much attention to the street names around here and i whipped open google earth. and looked at the older street names. its great. i love this stuff.

and its great hearing about the stories and the fascinating people that lived here. rush is steeped in history it amazing.

you should set up a tour leo.

is there a historic society ?

Maybe with a bit of the eirgrid money we could have a historic day with an old band and chicken on a spit and warm guiness down near the harbour bar!!


would be interested in making this a sticky would hate this to get lost in the threads

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

how is smugglers related to the coffee shop. saw the tables outside it today . might pop down for a coffee.

itds funny i never paid much attention to the street names around here and i whipped open google earth. and looked at the older street names. its great. i love this stuff.

and its great hearing about the stories and the fascinating people that lived here. rush is steeped in history it amazing.

you should set up a tour leo.

is there a historic society ?

Maybe with a bit of the eirgrid money we could have a historic day with an old band and chicken on a spit and warm guiness down near the harbour bar!!


would be interested in making this a sticky would hate this to get lost in the threads

Where the Coffee shop is was where Jack the smuggler lived. I spoke to a girl who worked in that house and she reckoned it was haunted!!

Back tomorrow up in a few hours.

Corsendonk

LeoB wrote: »

That Owen Corr mentioned above I have a feeling I could have met his son, maybe he is not related but I would be suprised if he is not. Owen Corr used to come home to Rush from Coventry every summer and would always get to a few matchs with Jimmy Bissett. Owen was elderly when I knew him back in the 80s I will make enquirey over the week end. Interestingly A man living in Rush, David Snook has done some amazing research on Irish seamen and the name William McGee of Chapel Green lost his life possibly to a German uboat. Again I will make enquiries.
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The Owen Corr or "O" you met was Owen Corr cousin and much too old to be his son. He would have been Jimmy uncle if i am correct. Not really a surprise that people with the same name are related in Rush and Loughshinny is it......

Corsendonk

Skerries Mills 1910-30 as requested, perhaps someone can identify the buildings in the background?

The Hill Billy

Hi All,

Brilliant as this thread is & many thanks to Corsendonk for his great local knowledge & access to information - you cannot post material here for which you do not hold the copyright.

By all means provide a link to other sites, but quoting whole tranches of material could put boards.ie on dodgy ground.

I'm genuinely sorry to have had to remove those posts, but rules is rules.

Don't let the thread die - it is one of the best here in ages.

HB

An update on this: I've asked for direction from the Admins as to whether I can reinstate the posts removed. If they're ok with it I'll pop them back up straight away.

LeoB

Corsendonk wrote: »

The Owen Corr or "O" you met was Owen Corr cousin and much too old to be his son. He would have been Jimmy uncle if i am correct. Not really a surprise that people with the same name are related in Rush and Loughshinny is it......

Was hoping to bump into Jimmmy's sister today. He was a great crack when he came to games.

Martron

looking around there. not necessarily rush but makes an interesting read.

http://www.loughshinnyvillage.com/smugglerscave.htm

i would love to know more about this mine. anyone any ideas about where i can find info about it. or even the location of it?

i knw there is mine road in loughshinny but anyone have any idea where it could have been.

is there undercground tunnels? its suggested in the above link that a cave is linked to the mine.

sashasdad

Martron wrote: »

looking around there. not necessarily rush but makes an interesting read.

http://www.loughshinnyvillage.com/smugglerscave.htm

i would love to know more about this mine. anyone any ideas about where i can find info about it. or even the location of it?

i knw there is mine road in loughshinny but anyone have any idea where it could have been.

is there undercground tunnels? its suggested in the above link that a cave is linked to the mine.

To find the cave:
On the Skerries side of the Loughshinny crossroads theres a lane way to the left with a sign post for the 'millennium walk'. Follow that and walk along the coast in the direction of Skerries and you'll come across it. Hopefully somebody else will have better directions for you. I was in it a few times as a kid and can remember coming out caked in muck.

sashasdad

While the copyright issue is being sorted out, I've found a link to some of the info Corsendonk was good enough to post http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/Neighbourhood/chapter30.html

Corsendonk

Loughshinny Copper Mine

Some photos

http://www.mindat.org/article.php/517/A+history+of+Loughshinny+-+Textbook+Folds+and+the+Copper+Mine+Fault

sashasdad

http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/shortpar/shortpar4.htm

Some interesting stuff but what really caught my eye is the account given of a McLeod/McCloud who was in charge of the fishing vessel in which Bonny Prince Charlie escaped the British. He settled in Rush and changed his name from McLeod to McCloud.

Small paragraph on Rush as seen in 1837
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/r2.php

LeoB

sashasdad wrote: »

http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/shortpar/shortpar4.htm

Some interesting stuff but what really caught my eye is the account given of a McLeod/McCloud who was in charge of the fishing vessel in which Bonny Prince Charlie escaped the British. He settled in Rush and changed his name from McLeod to McCloud.

Small paragraph on Rush as seen in 1837
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/r2.php

I was only reading a bit on this item this evening. McLeod cam from Isle of Skye and eventually while on the run sheltered in Rush. There was a reward fof £30,000 dead or alive on his head. As explained above he changed his name and it ended up McGlew. Does anyone remember Maggie McGlew selling the eggs on the channel Rd?

Martron on ther caves there is also the danes cave. It can be see from the walk to drummanagh from Rush or Loughshinny.

LeoB

How do we put a it of shape on this.

Rush -Ros Eó, Peninsula of the yew tree.

In the 12 centuary a group of sailors returning from the holy land were caught up in a storm and promised in their prayers they would build a chapel where ever they land. They cme ashore at Rogerstown and built the chapel overlooking the the estuary. They had prayed to St. Maurs and that is how we have the name in Rush.

Rush for many years was the market gardening capital of Ireland. hence when driving along the roads you will often see the sign "Rush spuds for sale". Fishing was quite big over a centuay ago

Corsendonk

LeoB wrote: »

I was only reading a bit on this item this evening. McLeod cam from Isle of Skye and eventually while on the run sheltered in Rush. There was a reward fof £30,000 dead or alive on his head. As explained above he changed his name and it ended up McGlew. Does anyone remember Maggie McGlew selling the eggs on the channel Rd? .

Vaguely, my mother use to get eggs from her. She did tell me that story too.

Another famous son of Rush or infamous!! There are recorded accounts that some of his men collected ears. Not much has changed in the Congo.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/people_hoare.html


Matron Loughshinny is technically linked with Rush as it comes under the Parish of Rush. I did hear a barrage balloon landed in Loughshinny during WW2 The local ladies appreciated the gift of the material.

Corsendonk

National Heritage week 21st August- 29th


Highlights include:
A talk on sporting stars from Fingal
Loughshinny Historical walk
Walking tour of Swords
Skerries Mills

http://www.heritageweek.ie/index.php/whats-on/

I should say this is a Europe wide intiative from the EU for people to share in there culture, treaty of Maastricht if I remember correctly so good opportunity to drag your fellow european friends along to some of the events to show them the rich history of Fingal.

Chinafoot

For those with a penchant for local history in Fingal, you should check out Fingal Local Studies & Archives which is based in Swords.

The staff there are fantastic and really, really helpful and they have some amazing stock.

The Fingal Sporting Heroes talk will be held there and is actually being given by the former Fingal County Librarian. Should be really good.

spurious

This may be of interest:
Rush Directory 1912

Corsendonk

1913 Loughshinny Plane Crash

In 1913 a plane containing two men crashed off the coast of Loughshinny.
The pilot was Harry Hawker from Australia who was aiming to be the first man to fly around the British Isles. He had learnt to fly the previous year and went on to found the Hawker Air Company which developed the Hurricane which helped defeat the Germans in the Battle of Britain. Further reading about the crash can be found at the links below.


Image of the plane when it landed at Cromarty in North East Scotland.




http://www.loughshinnyvillage.com/aircrash.htm

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/hawker.html

http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A090236b.htm

https://stillslibrary.rte.ie/indexplus/image/0510/023.html

http://www.fingal-independent.ie/opinion/editorial/the-day-a-flying-legend-crashed-in-loughshinny-785636.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D02EFDB163DE633A2575BC2A96E9C946296D6CF

The Hill Billy

I've shifted the general chat & sporting/scouting posts over to the Off-Topic thread. The OP is interested in the History of Rush - not a school reunion - so let's keep it to that please.

Thanks,

HB

Corsendonk

Martello Towers

Throughout Fingals coastline can be seen towers know as Martello Towers. The name comes from Mortello(italian for Hammer) in Corsica were the Genovese had built a round shaped tower as part of the coastal defence. The watchers in the towers would signal with fire to the locals if they could see an attacking force at sea. The English were so impressed by the structure when they attacked the tower, that they decided to copy the design for a series of defensive towers throughout the British Isles from 1804 to fend off a Napoloenic invasion. The towers were never tested but proved effective at limiting smugglling operations. The last Martello tower to be built was in Sydney Australia to protect the harbour from a possible attack from the Russians during the Crimea War.

http://www.martellotowers.ie/new_page_5.htm

http://www.martellotowersutton.com/#/index.html

http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=highlights&county=FI&hid=37

http://www.360cities.net/image/ireland-howth-martello-tower#68.90,3.00,70.0

Diagram of the inside of a Martello Tower.

Beasty

Corsendonk wrote: »

1913 Loughshinny Plane Crash

In 1913 a plane containing two men crashed off the coast of Loughshinny.
The pilot was Harry Hawker from Australia who was aiming to be the first man to fly around the British Isles. He had learnt to fly the previous year and went on to found the Hawker Air Company which developed the Hurricane which helped defeat the Germans in the Battle of Britain. Further reading about the crash can be found at the links below.

Some great research there Corsendonk - I see from a couple of the articles you linked that the plane was completely stripped by souvenir hunters - anyone from the area care to admit to having a propellor hanging up above their fireplace:)?

Martron

that souds like a piece that would be hanging on the wall of a local pub

LeoB

Beasty wrote: »

the plane was completely stripped by souvenir hunters - anyone from the area care to admit to having a propellor hanging up above their fireplace:)?

NO;)!!

(she) The plane was stripped as they searched frantically for the black box!!

But at this stage could someone not keep them anyway. Ya know the finders rights law/rule.

Corsendonk

Smuggling and The Coastguard

In the 18th and 19th century Rush was a hotbed of smuggling of contraband into Ireland. The areas location near Dublin but not too close to the Authorities made it an ideal location. The more successful smugglers sometimes moved into a life of privateering such as Luke Ryan from Kenure. Others like Jack "The Bachelor" Connors concentrated on the smuggling trade. The early trade was between Rush and the Isle of Man were the Lord of Atoll was Independent of mainland duties. Later the Isle of Man trade switche to direct trade to France, Spain and the Low Countries. In accounts Rush built whorry boats for the smuggling trade between the Isle of Man and Scotland. The boats flat bottom design made it ideal to slip into shallow inlets.

The Coast Blockade which manned the Martello Towers were a branch of the navy and the Water Guard were customs. Together they were formed to give us the Preventative Water Guard which later became known as the coast guard. Later in the 1800s the coastguard main task moved away from smuggling to concentrate on the rescue of striken crews. The Coastguard became the reserve force for the Royal Navy in times of War.

Luke Ryan-Irish Privateer who was commissed by Benjamin Franklin to fight the British
http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume7/issue2/features/?id=196
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-irish-pirate-and-benjamin-franklin-a200815

Jack The Bachelor- seems a man ahead of his time that he managed to write a book of his adventures , you may be able to request the book at the local library.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=prsNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=jack+the+bachelor+connors&source=bl&ots=FhO6s4xDIO&sig=xm70U1FcIX6jWfEbNAnPiUT7AVU&hl=en&ei=jzRtTLfPLYu94Aakm5n0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Lord of Isle of Man Paper concerning smuggling between Rush and the Isle of Man 1764
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/history/ap/ap_40b16.htm

Further link on smuggling trade between the Isle of Man and Rush
http://www.ancestryireland.com/hip_statutes.php?filename=16.1.5

18th century smuggling in Rush, you may be able to get access to the full article in public library.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/25505149

Coastguard reports of Smugglers landing in Loughshinny 1821 and fight with Coastguard and 200-300 local smugglers
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=69
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=70

Coastguard Stations Timeline
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=96

List from 1900 of Irish Coastguard stations
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=98

List of Coastguard Senior Ranks 1841
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=100

Account of the effect of the Troubles in 1920 on the coastguard and the burning of local stations in Rush and Rogerstown
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=195

List of Gallantry medals awarded to Coastguard from 1824-1922 in Ireland including two actions by the Balbriggan crew, one by Skerries and one by Lambay.
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=208

Extract of Diary of Skerries Coastguard 1852
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=296

Early history of the amalgamation of the two branches, water guard who were customs and coast blockade that were formed together to give us the coast guard
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=32

Dressing down of the Coast Officers 1819 responsible for Rush
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=55


Service record of James O'Halloran who served in Malahide and Lambay.
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=182

How the coastguard did there bit to provide famine relief in the west of Ireland
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=200

Letters to OPW regarding repairs on Rush Coastguard stations
http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/articles.php?article_id=227



Rush Coastguard station at the Park just across from the Harbour Bar

Corsendonk

The Age of Cinema in Rush

Rush for many years has been used as a loction for movies. Tv series such as the Irish RM and lately the Inspector George Gently have also made use of the period buildings in the area. The first recorded movie to be filmed in the area was the "In the Days of Saint Patrick" in 1917.


From the Story of Irish Film, Currach

In 1917 the General Film Company of Ireland headed by Norman Whitten,
with J.W. Mackey in charge of production and J. Gordon Lewis as cameraman,
produced In the Days of Saint Patrick. The film directed by Whitten starred a well
known Queen’s Theatre actor, Ira Allan, in the title role. Alice Cardinall played
Patrick’s mother, George Griffin was King Laoghaire, Maud Hume the Queen
and T. O’Carroll Reynolds played Niall of the Nine Hostages. One of the slaves
was a black boxer named Cyclone Billy Warren, a notable character around
Dublin for a long time. The main location was Rush, Co Dublin and the
ambitious production featured pirate galleys and chariot races. The film took a
year of patiently watching the weather and seasons to capture the perfect
conditions for filming. The results more than justified the difficult conditions and
the critics reviewed it warmly. In the Days of Saint Patrick was well received
throughout Ireland and England by trade and public alike.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131439/fullcredits#cast

Other selected movies:

Kenure House before it was demolished played host to:

Ten Little Indians 1965
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061075/

Trailer but not original soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA8PFd_st5I

Jules Verne Rocket to the Moon also know as Those Fantastic Flying Fools 1967
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062363/

Intro credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFgiGIM1jk

The Face of Fu Manchu 1965
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059162/
Trailer
http://www.archive.org/details/DonSharpsTheFaceOfFuManchuMovieTrailer1965

Another film that did a major part of filming in Rush was Some Mothers Son in 1996, sure someone has a ohoto of the RUC station down at the Square.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117690/


Actors/Actresses with Rush connections

Marie Kean- local actress who acted for John Huston and Stanley Kubrick
http://akas.imdb.com/name/nm0443811/


Godfrey Quigley- close family connections with Rush, one of the few actors to appear in two Stanley Kubrick moves.
Performing in Clockwork Orange:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0703501/

If anyone has more connections please add to thread.

Martron

amazing stuff corsendonk. !!!

LeoB

Brendan Behan stayed in a house on Hands Lane. He is related to McManus family, not sure on what side, Bernard and Bridie. Bernard used to have an electrical shop on the square back around 1960-64, I dont remember it I read an ad he had in a book. Brendans wife Beatrice then lived in the house for a few years when they seperated. She then became very "friendly with Cathal Goulding. I remember seeing her when I was a child and she was an attractive lady.

Brendan Gleeson is married to a Rush girl. A cousin of his wife's has appeared in quite a few T.V dramas, Cormac McDonagh from the Bawn

Rambo used to be in Rush quite a bit, at Fianna Fail cumann meetings, was he really a movie star or Ray Burke?

Martron

LeoB wrote: »

Brendan Behan stayed in a house on Hands Lane. He is related to McManus family, not sure on what side, Bernard and Bridie. Bernard used to have an electrical shop on the square back around 1960-64, I dont remember it I read an ad he had in a book. Brendans wife Beatrice then lived in the house for a few years when they seperated. She then became very "friendly with Cathal Goulding. I remember seeing her when I was a child and she was an attractive lady.

Brendan Gleeson is married to a Rush girl. A cousin of his wife's has appeared in quite a few T.V dramas, Cormac McDonagh from the Bawn

Rambo used to be in Rush quite a bit, at Fianna Fail cumann meetings, was he really a movie star or Ray Burke?

you are like the historic tattler leo.

Corsendonk

Martron wrote: »

you are like the historic tattler leo.

Yes sometimes he is even correct


I thought I throw this one in for debate. I heard this tale a few times from friends in Swords, I always thought they were just jealous of our good clean sea air and fondness of avoiding tax out this way! Now I have never seen the below on reputable source sites just on the less accurate 10 things for tourists to know about Dublin sites. But apparently my friends say there is evidence of this in Swords library too. So is there any truth or a red herring???

In 1761 a family of itinerants from Navan
were refused entry to Dublin. The family settled
on the outskirts of the city and created the town
of Rush. Two hundred and fifty years later, a
large percentage of the population of Rush can
still trace their roots back to this one family.

LeoB

Corsendonk wrote: »

Yes sometimes he is even correct


I thought I throw this one in for debate. I heard this tale a few times from friends in Swords, I always thought they were just jealous of our good clean sea air and fondness of avoiding tax out this way! Now I have never seen the below on reputable source sites just on the less accurate 10 things for tourists to know about Dublin sites. But apparently my friends say there is evidence of this in Swords library too. So is there any truth or a red herring???

Please point out where I am incorrect................ I will gladly delete or correct any incorrect post I have posted.

As for your quote I would say its the greatest load of Bollox bull I have ever read. This is a wind up. Its not the 1st of April. Is it?

LeoB

Corsendonk wrote: »

Rush Coastguard station at the Park just across from the Harbour Bar

The house with the white gable end is where I lived for my first 12 years. Ther is just an empty space there now with an old pump on it.

focus_mad

Me grandmother's family are from the corner of Sandly Lane. All the Foleys are my relations.

She said when she was a kid the family in Kenure House used to have a childrens day for all the kids in the parish to come up to the grand house there in the park.
Kenure House in its prime;




And sadly now;




Oh and this film was shot there;

Corsendonk

I stumbled across this interesting extract from the Dail. As Rush and North Dublin was the centre of market gardening in Ireland it attracted talented growers from abroad who later became Irish citizens. The date under there profession is there date of entry into the state.

Dail Eireann 22 Oct 1947- written response to the issuing of naturalisation papers. The following are particulars of the aliens to whom certificates of naturalisation were granted from the 1st of January, 1946, to the 20th of October, 1947:—


RUIGROK, Wilhelmus Theodorus.
Main Street, Rush, Co. Dublin
Bulb Grower
12th Dec., 1935

KUNZ, Jeno
The Nurseries, Rush, Co. Dublin.
Horticulturist
18th May, 1937

JONG, Gysbertus Arnoldus de
Ballykea, Lusk, Co. Dublin
Nurseryman
October, 1933

BLAKE, Henry James MACDONALD, John Angus.
Main Street, Rush, Co. Dublin 9 Seapoint Avenue, Black- rock, Dublin.
Clerical Officer Estate Agent and Auctioneer.
May, 1936 4th Sept., 1939

Corsendonk

Tomato Industry North Co. Dublin


The tomato growing industry has been a central factor to the success of horticulture in NCD. The EU has been largely blamed for the decline with cheaper imports from Holland and Spain flooding the market here. Ireland joined the EU in 1967. The below extract and link are from a Dail debate on the flooding of the market with cheaper dutch imports in 1950. Interesting overview of the industry, what would 1.5 million pounds in 1950 be worth in todays money?

Dáil Éireann - Volume 122 - 18 July, 1950

Committee on Finance. - Adjournment Debate—Prices of Tomatoes

Mr Dunne TD

This industry consists largely of approximately 650 growers. It represents a capital investment of £1,500,000, that is, in the provision of glass-houses, heating equipment and so on. The tomato growers' organisation claims that they employ something in the neighbourhood of 1,000 operatives. That number may be subject to examination, but, to my own knowledge, the number of men actually employed in the Dublin area runs into some hundreds, so far as wage workers are concerned. In my own constituency of North County Dublin, in Rush and Lusk and Skerries particularly, and in other parts of the county, there are a considerable number of small landowners, small farmers with anything from half an acre to four or five acres, working at this industry for a long period and trying to get a living from it.

During the years of the war, when imports of any kind were impossible, there was a pretty substantial return to any person who embarked on this particular line of business, and indeed the criticism which could have been made then was that no restriction whatever was placed, during those years, upon the price of tomatoes as they came to the consuming public. However, since the end of the war, with imports of all kinds becoming available to a greater extent, the Minister for Agriculture—and, we may assume, the Minister for Industry and Commerce — has adopted a policy of allowing unrestricted import of Dutch tomatoes, and this is having a disastrous effect upon the tomato-growing industry here.

http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=1282319115&amp;view=oho-view&amp;docrank=234&amp;numhitsfound=1250&amp;query=Rush Dublin&amp;query_rule=(($query1)<=DATE<=($query2)) AND (($query4)):SPEAKER AND (($query5)):heading AND (($query6)):CATEGORY AND (($query3)):house AND (($query7)):volume AND (($query8)):colnumber AND (($query))&amp;query2=19600101&amp;docid=79128&amp;docdb=Debates&amp;dbname=Debates&amp;starthit=225&amp;sorting=none&amp;operator=and&amp;TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&amp;setCookie=1

LeoB

That is serious money generated back then when you consider the level of emigration during them times from the west of Ireland.

I cant think of anyone I went to primary school with who didnt earn money picking tomatoes or twisting and Shooting. Most would have paid enough for covering the cost of back to school. There were some massive growers back them Flynn's Farrens, Butterlys and Murrays. I got my money to go on scouts Jambora in 1977 working in Farren's in Hayestown. Think it cost €40 for the 10 days at Mt. Mellary in Waterford.

We kept local tailor Roger King busy making us fancy dress costumes:D

Corsendonk

Ok I know this is technically not Rush but its a landmark that you can see from Rush Harbour and North Beach.

Rockabill Lighthouse


Wikipedia entry for the site,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockabill

Brief Service History of Lighthouse
http://www.commissionersofirishlights.com/cil/aids-to-navigation/lighthouses/rockabill.aspx

George Halpin- architect of Rockabill career and works
http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/2341#tab_biography

Geological Site report of Fingal, that includes Rockabill and Milverton Quarry were the stone from the Lighthouse was sourced
http://www.gsi.ie/NR/rdonlyres/52A5C479-FCFE-4D50-9451-56A2965207C6/0/Fingal_section2_part3.pdf

Abstract of Paper from Skerries Historical Society on the History of Rockabill
http://indigo.ie/~skerries/history/rept0506.html

Formal Wreck Report of the Sinking of the Steamship Strathtay in 1885 off Lambay.
http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/15062.asp

Formal Wreck Report of the Sinking of the City of Amsterdam in 1885 off Lambay.
http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/14904.asp

Account of the life of a Lighthouse Keeper on the East Coast of Ireland
http://cil.adnet.ie/sh1100x5842.html

Good Link of images of Rockabill- solar panels fitted in 2006 visible
http://marinas.com/view/lighthouse/520_Rockabill_Lighthouse_Skerries_Dublin

Birdlife on Rockabill
http://www.bwifingal.ie/rockabill_project.htm

Link for the most famous modern Lighthouse in the World, Bell Rock off the East Coast of Scotland and how lighthouses are built.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/bell_rock_01.shtml

LeoB

A friend of mine was out there last year in his boat and there was quite a survey being done. They could not go onto to rock but he got some cracking photos.

TangyZizzle

That pic of the coastguard house in the park is amazing, its cool to see the road Iv been walking up and down for the past 20 years in such a different state/time. Any chance someone will have a picture of pictures of the harbour? before it was there? during construction? or even the beaches before that road/wall was built? Iv always wondered what it looked like and just HOW old that wall/road is.

Corsendonk

The present Rush Harbour has a build date of 1820-1850 with the main build circa 1835. Cameras were still only in the very early stages of development in 1850 so unless someone can dig up a painting from the time, not a chance of knowing what it looked like without the harbour.

Its a pretty impressive harbour if you compare it to the other harbours in the area with a large area sheltered but silt and north east winds inhibited the fishing as did the collapse of the Ling and cod fishing industry and the move to non tidal harbours like Howth. Some accounts state that the original pier was built by the Duke of Ormonde in the time of James the Second who reigned from 1685-1688. It actually is in need of the services of a good stone mason.

Chapters of Dublin History

A short distance beyond Whitestown is Rush, enumerated by Hollinshed as one of the chief haven towns of Ireland, and once celebrated for the curing of ling, and the extensive pursuit of other fisheries. The harbour having, however, become more difficult of access, the bounty having been withdrawn, and the inhabitants being less adventurous than their neighbours of Skerries, the fisheries here have wholly declined, a fact which was strikingly evidenced by the boats that lay rotting on the shore.

Chapters of Dublin History

The sea here affords a plentiful supply of the raiae asperae, thornbacks, commonly called maiden ray, which are dried and saved by the inhabitants, and an oil extracted from them. A large rock oyster is also found here, but so full of salt that it is more particularly used in sauces. The fishery here has, as before suggested, greatly declined. In 1820 there were 23 boats of from 25 to 55 tons burthen, and each employed on board eight men; at present only eight of these boats are engaged in the fisheries, and each of them employs eight men. The harbour is dry, and wherries cannot get round the pier-head until half flood; they are liable to be wrecked should the wind blow hard from the eastward, in which case they are obliged to haul up close to the ground, and frequently get scraped in consequence. The wear and tear of ropes is thus very great, and, unless some assistance towards erecting a new harbour is obtained, the fishing vessels will be destroyed in a few years, already more than half have been lost since the abolition of the bounties.

There is a phrase in NCD of calling people from Skerries "Skerries Goats" can anyone tell me what people from Rush are called in turn?

TangyZizzle

Rush heads, haha.

Corsendonk

Nope, the article above gives a clue, maybe Leo knows. Nickname not much used these days.

LeoB

Corsendonk wrote: »

Nope, the article above gives a clue, maybe Leo knows. Nickname not much used these days.

I heard one before but fckd if I can remember it. An aunt of mine used to use it in part of a poem.

Anyone know or have the words of

East of Eden

Theres a seaside town in Eireann and its growing day by day
Its on the eastern shorelineline and its facing towards Lambay
Tis there they grow the best of crops the praties and the wheat.......................................

Its to the tune of the Wearing of the green