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Is an orgasm so important ???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Faith wrote: »
    I HATE this attitude. It's like people who say "Why have a couple of drinks if you're not going to get really drunk?". Because sometimes a couple of drinks is just perfect.

    Its like having a really great long snogging session on the couch or wrapped around each other in bed, doesnt have to lead to sex, its just nice to do it for the sake of doing it. If it was a case of you never orgasmed during sex, yeah that'd be frustrating and a problem. But its not the be all and end all, hell I've had sex where she's orgasmed a few times and me none, but it didnt mean I didnt enjoy it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 648 ✭✭✭k4kate


    krudler wrote: »
    Its like having a really great long snogging session on the couch or wrapped around each other in bed, doesnt have to lead to sex, its just nice to do it for the sake of doing it. If it was a case of you never orgasmed during sex, yeah that'd be frustrating and a problem. But its not the be all and end all, hell I've had sex where she's orgasmed a few times and me none, but it didnt mean I didnt enjoy it.


    What are you doing Saturday night?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Piglet85


    OP, have you tried fantasising during sex? It sounds to me like you're too self-conscious to let go enough to be able to orgasm, and if you're thinking about your weight you're definitely not losing yourself enough during the experience.

    On the odd occasion where I'm just not getting there, I let my imagination get to work - and for those who feel that's cheating on your partner (and yes I have encountered that bizarre opinion), I should point out that the vast, vast majority of the time that I need to fantasise, it's actually just remembering the best sexy times that I've had with my man in the past. I ususally find that if I'm not in the right frame of mind for the act itself to push me over the edge, once I start to fantasise a bit I lose myself in the moment enough to forget anything that might be hindering me and BAM! - success! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Flexiblefriend


    OP back again. Yes I have had orgasms with other partners. I also dont think an orgasm is the b all and end all, I love being in bed with him and having fun....I love being close to him to be honest. I was just wondering would other ladies be content to stay in a relationship and never orgasm (so far penetration, oral and hands all havnt worked)I will continue to show him what I like (what makes me come when alone)....I have shown him a good few times already but he doesnt seem to know a womans body too well and it hasnt worked so far....However I dont intend to stop trying......Thanks for all the replies so far

    I am not one bit conscious about my weight during sex.....he loves my body and tells me often enough !!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Piglet85


    I am not one bit conscious about my weight during sex.....he loves my body and tells me often enough !!!!

    Sorry OP, I got you mixed up with another poster who said that their weight was making them self-conscious. Sorry!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭LittleBook


    I have shown him a good few times already but he doesnt seem to know a womans body too well and it hasnt worked so far....However I dont intend to stop trying

    In fairness to him, how could he know if you keep telling him he's doing what you need and lying to him about orgasming.

    I'm sorry OP but you already did stop trying when you started being untrutful with him.

    When I first met my partner, it took us a little time to get everything right and there were a couple of times I was tempted to fake it, simply because he was putting so much effort into it, it felt like it would be a reward to him if I lied. But I didn't ... and we got there ... and we've been getting there ever since. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    OP back again. Yes I have had orgasms with other partners. I also dont think an orgasm is the b all and end all, I love being in bed with him and having fun....I love being close to him to be honest. I was just wondering would other ladies be content to stay in a relationship and never orgasm (so far penetration, oral and hands all havnt worked)I will continue to show him what I like (what makes me come when alone)....I have shown him a good few times already but he doesnt seem to know a womans body too well and it hasnt worked so far....However I dont intend to stop trying......Thanks for all the replies so far

    I am not one bit conscious about my weight during sex.....he loves my body and tells me often enough !!!!

    Because he thinks what he's doing is working since you're lying about it, you're doing yourself out of orgasms by not being honest about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭jimbobaloobob


    k4kate wrote: »
    What are you doing Saturday night?:D

    That kinda thing takes more than a night k4k.

    Thats what i just ready anyhow:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 648 ✭✭✭k4kate


    That kinda thing takes more than a night k4k.

    Thats what i just ready anyhow:D


    Thought whatever way it was phrased it was just one ride...shag...session

    Hey, what the hell I am available all week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    That kinda thing takes more than a night k4k.

    Thats what i just ready anyhow:D

    No i meant in the one night, if it wa a case of me going a few times without orgasming then that'd be an issue, happened the first few times with an ex, couldnt figure out if it was nerves or what as I fancied the pants off her and there was no issue with what either of us was doing, turns out it was the condoms we were using, they were extra safe/thick ones so felt nothing, changed to a different type and everything was grand, so it can be any reason really.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Eh Folks if some of you wanna have some flirtfest, please take it to PM. No more. Thanks.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    This is why they say real love requires a lot of patience. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Asphyxia


    I don't understand why people lie about this! The problem about lying is he'll think your having them and think what he's doing in the bedroom is right for you when it's obviously not. How would you feel if he lied to you about them? You have to work on things in the bedroom just like you would in a relationship, start experimenting and see what you both like :) Take a trip into a sex shop and have a look around it can be really fun and add to the excitement of going home and enjoying what you get ;)

    Orgasms are important in a relationship because it brings you close to the person, you see each other at their most intimate state. I have them 99% of the time I love to try news things all the time :D It keeps things fresh and you will find out what gets you ticking :) Have a chat with you fella, text him a fantasy you want to do and just enjoy yourself.

    Whatever you do don't look at it like a job just let it happen naturally :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Biscuits.


    Wow, what I've said seems to have caused quite a uproar.

    Let me be more clear:

    - I didn't say penetration orgasms don't count, don't know where ye all got that idea from. It's absolutely great if you have them, you're luckier than most :).
    -Of course I'm aware that there still are women who find it easy to orgasm that way, I am one of them.
    - My attitude isn't "sex is all about the orgasm", I know all the other parts are important but not orgasming despite having the power to and because you want to make someone feel better about their performance is just silly and shouldn't even count as an intimate act.
    - Just because I enjoy the climax of something doesn't mean I'll skip to the climax, I don't watch solely the climaxes of movies, like I've said, I watch the whole thing but if it doesn't have a climax then it defeats the purpose of being entertained because that's not entertaining.
    - Depriving yourself of an orgasm because of sexual ignorance, to me, lessens the intimacy, trust me, I know all about intimacy and touchy feely womanly stuff, I only have sex with other women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    Wow, what I've said seems to have caused quite a uproar.

    Let me be more clear:

    - I didn't say penetration orgasms don't count, don't know where ye all got that idea from. It's absolutely great if you have them, you're luckier than most :).
    -Of course I'm aware that there still are women who find it easy to orgasm that way, I am one of them.
    - My attitude isn't "sex is all about the orgasm", I know all the other parts are important but not orgasming despite having the power to and because you want to make someone feel better about their performance is just silly and shouldn't even count as an intimate act.
    - Just because I enjoy the climax of something doesn't mean I'll skip to the climax, I don't watch solely the climaxes of movies, like I've said, I watch the whole thing but if it doesn't have a climax then it defeats the purpose of being entertained because that's not entertaining.
    - Depriving yourself of an orgasm because of sexual ignorance, to me, lessens the intimacy, trust me, I know all about intimacy and touchy feely womanly stuff, I only have sex with other women.

    I'd have whiplash for doing a 180 turn that fast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Biscuits.


    krudler wrote: »
    I'd have whiplash for doing a 180 turn that fast.

    I've made a habit of being misunderstood in every way possible lol. Didn't want my first post to be long-winded though so I didn't over elaborate, suppose I should've.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭boomkatalog


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    - Just because I enjoy the climax of something doesn't mean I'll skip to the climax, I don't watch solely the climaxes of movies, like I've said, I watch the whole thing but if it doesn't have a climax then it defeats the purpose of being entertained because that's not entertaining.

    I don't think you're being misunderstood Biscuits, I think in general people disagree with the above statement. The general consensus seems to be that sex is enjoyable with or without orgasm, but you're saying sex is enjoyable, but why have sex if you're not going to climax? Not that you don't enjoy the other parts, but that it's the finishing line, or the goal. Whereas personally, and I gather what the other posters are saying is, the goal isn't about orgasm, the goal is to have fun and enjoy the overall intimacy :) And then the orgasm is a nice bonus ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Biscuits.


    I don't think you're being misunderstood Biscuits, I think in general people disagree with the above statement. The general consensus seems to be that sex is enjoyable with or without orgasm, but you're saying sex is enjoyable, but why have sex if you're not going to climax? Not that you don't enjoy the other parts, but that it's the finishing line, or the goal. Whereas personally, and I gather what the other posters are saying is, the goal isn't about orgasm, the goal is to have fun and enjoy the overall intimacy :) And then the orgasm is a nice bonus ;)

    No, I'm not saying why have sex if you don't orgasm, I'm saying it'll be far less enjoyable.

    Well, it's easier to make it the goal if you orgasm easily, it doesn't make sex any less enjoyable for me because you know, I don't orgasm once during sex. I think most people view orgasms as a "bonus" this way if they don't orgasm a lot. Just an observation.

    I also don't eat because it's enjoyable to eat, I eat because I'm hungry and enjoy how it tastes second. Get me?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭boomkatalog


    I'm of the opinion that orgasms are a nice bonus and they're not rare for me (thank you bf ;)) but if it doesn't happen, no big deal, I still enjoy it just as much. Some of the best sex I've ever had I didn't climax.

    Plus, I'm more inclined to keep going if I don't, after I do I'm only fit for a 3-in-1 and a nap :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    Why have sex if you don't have an orgasm? It defeats the purpose, I will not enjoy sex if there's no climax, would you watch entertainment (ie. films, dramas, what have you) if there was no climax? More importantly, would you be entertained?
    No, I'm not saying why have sex if you don't orgasm, I'm saying it'll be far less enjoyable.

    Well, it's easier to make it the goal if you orgasm easily, it doesn't make sex any less enjoyable for me because you know, I don't orgasm once during sex. I think most people view orgasms as a "bonus" this way if they don't orgasm

    seriously, what? you say people who have sex with no orgasm arent enjoying it then say you dont orgasm during sex yourself? make up your mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Biscuits.


    krudler wrote: »
    seriously, what? you say people who have sex with no orgasm arent enjoying it then say you dont orgasm during sex yourself? make up your mind.

    No! I'm saying not orgasming make sex, OBVIOUSLY, less enjoyable. And I do ****ing orgasm.

    Seriously, wtf?!

    "I don't orgasm once during sex" means I orgasm more than once!

    Will you all leave me the **** alone now? Thanks. I view orgasms as more important than you guys do, end ****ing of.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Can we ease up on the badgering and nit picking in this two horse race please? It does nada for the discussion.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    No! I'm saying not orgasming make sex, OBVIOUSLY, less enjoyable. And I do ****ing orgasm.

    Seriously, wtf?!

    "I don't orgasm once during sex" means I orgasm more than once!

    Will you all leave me the **** alone now? Thanks. I view orgasms as more important than you guys do, end ****ing of.

    Fair enough, you coulda just said that? " I dont orgasm once" implies you dont at all. Its kinda pointless to give out people dont get what you're talking about when its not clear to begin with.

    back on topic.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    No, I'm not saying why have sex if you don't orgasm, I'm saying it'll be far less enjoyable.

    This is simply not true in the slightest.

    If you think orgasms are the only point of sex, then that's your prerogative. But that's just your opinion and it does not apply to the rest of us. Nor does help the OP in this situation.

    OP, it could just be that you're not sexually compatible. But again, there's no point asking us because only you can decide if your relationship is good enough to survive a potential dearth of orgasms.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not the only point no, but if I wasn't getting the big O I don't think I'd bother TBH. Actually I know I wouldnt. It would be a frustrating waste of time. Especially if I could get myself off and she couldn't. I could hear the speech of "It's not you, it's me, I think we're better as mates". and go off and find someone sexually compatible. Now that's just me and me as a particular guy and men would be more "goal orientated" orgasm wise*. But I've known women with very "male" sexual responses so it wouldnt come as a shock to discover that some women wouldnt be bothered with sex if an orgasm was unlikely or never.






    *We expect one every time. You'll never see a male magazine article entitled "how to have an orgasm". :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Biscuits.


    Faith wrote: »
    This is simply not true in the slightest.

    If you think orgasms are the only point of sex, then that's your prerogative. But that's just your opinion and it does not apply to the rest of us. Nor does help the OP in this situation.

    OP, it could just be that you're not sexually compatible. But again, there's no point asking us because only you can decide if your relationship is good enough to survive a potential dearth of orgasms.

    You've probably never had an orgasm if you think sex is more enjoyable without one. Sorry, but that is absolute bull****.

    Now leave me alone like I requested.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    *We expect one every time. You'll never see a male magazine article entitled "how to have an orgasm". :D

    It's true and I've never sought out the advise myself because I want to orgasm. I think it's important, like men in a lot of cases would, so this is relevant to the OP. Like anything else in life you'll have to want it and not settle for being unsatisfied. I think you guys are kidding yourselves saying that you don't want orgasms and sex is great without one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭boomkatalog


    Eh I never said I didn't want an orgasm :P And I didn't read it anywhere in the thread. It's just not the be all and end all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Morgase


    Biscuits. wrote: »
    You've probably never had an orgasm if you think sex is more enjoyable without one. Sorry, but that is absolute bull****.

    Now leave me alone like I requested.

    It's true and I've never sought out the advise myself because I want to orgasm. I think it's important, like men in a lot of cases would, so this is relevant to the OP. Like anything else in life you'll have to want it and not settle for being unsatisfied. I think you guys are kidding yourselves saying that you don't want orgasms and sex is great without one.

    Who said anything about not wanting orgasms? I think what's being said is that orgasms aren't the be all and end all for penetrative sex. There's enough people saying that it's not; are you saying all these people are deluded about their own enjoyment?

    Anyway, OP, personally I'd find it difficult to stick around for ever if it looked like orgasms with my partner would never be forthcoming. But then it's hard to see how that's going to happen if you're not being honest with him. As it stands, he thinks he's doing all the right things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 immachickbtw


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Not the only point no, but if I wasn't getting the big O I don't think I'd bother TBH. Actually I know I wouldnt. It would be a frustrating waste of time.

    +1 :pac: :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Flexiblefriend


    OP AGAIN...................I am meeting my boyfriend tomorrow night and I will do my best to talk to him...I really dont want to hurt his feelings but I think after reading all your comments that I need to tell the truth and hopefully he will be ok with it. I will let ye know how I get on


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