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Garda Reserve Training

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  • #842
    lawnmower1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lawnmower1989


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    yeah Dublin folk do it right

    10hours is not enough. thats why were prescribed to do over 50hours legal studies. and even at that i feel we could do with more

    if you did 10, quite frankly you were conned out of your training program and if i were you, id be upset at such

    how the hell can 10hours be sufficient to have working knowledge of the law on the street? and so what if you passed the exam. that will mean nothing when your out in the real world with your fulltime colleague who will have 18months of training under his/her belt with substantial knowlege of the law. by bragging about 10 hours, your selling the whole concept of the reserve short and your leaving yourself exposed


    im saying we had 10hours of lectures....doesn't mean we weren't told to read over cases at home or example. i take it your not a reserve, if you were you would see that you don't need that mcuh legal training. we only have powers under the road traffic act....and not even all of it. that takes about half an hour to learn unless your thick stupid. we have no public order powers at all....we can't even tell a person to move on ,in theory anyway. we can only arrest under 1997 criminal law act, which any citizen can do once it is an arrestable offence (5 years or more in prison of a penalty that is ) so i would totally disagree with you that i am exposed. i know my road traffic and that all we have to know. you pick up a few other things on the street as you go.....but all we can do is tax and insurance, demand them and all that. and when it comes to an arrest or summons, we are not allowed do that either. we can't take proper statements or anything. oh sorry i forgot that we are allowed do passports, how exciting. but any clown can do them, and you won't be shown how to do that during phase two. and most stations won't even let you do it anyway, although we are, but it nothing to brag about


  • #843
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    lawnmower1989 wrote: »
    WilcoOut wrote: »

    im saying we had 10hours of lectures....doesn't mean we weren't told to read over cases at home or example. i take it your not a reserve, if you were you would see that you don't need that mcuh legal training. we only have powers under the road traffic act....and not even all of it. that takes about half an hour to learn unless your thick stupid. we have no public order powers at all....we can't even tell a person to move on ,in theory anyway. we can only arrest under 1997 criminal law act, which any citizen can do once it is an arrestable offence (5 years or more in prison of a penalty that is ) so i would totally disagree with you that i am exposed. i know my road traffic and that all we have to know. you pick up a few other things on the street as you go.....but all we can do is tax and insurance, demand them and all that. and when it comes to an arrest or summons, we are not allowed do that either. we can't take proper statements or anything. oh sorry i forgot that we are allowed do passports, how exciting. but any clown can do them, and you won't be shown how to do that during phase two. and most stations won't even let you do it anyway, although we are, but it nothing to brag about

    theres so much nonsense in this its hard to believe

    so you dont know the non fatal offences against the person act? theft and Fraud offences? Misuses of drugs act? Firearms and offensive weapons act?

    Did you bother with Taxi Regulations act 2003? how about sexual offences act 2006? to be put on the street in uniform with only 10hours legal studies is pathetic

    If RTA is all you know and youve never made an arrest or issued a summons, then you should have been a traffic warden.

    Assert yourself


  • #844
    lawnmower1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lawnmower1989


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    lawnmower1989 wrote: »

    theres so much nonsense in this its hard to believe

    so you dont know the non fatal offences against the person act? theft and Fraud offences? Misuses of drugs act? Firearms and offensive weapons act?

    Did you bother with Taxi Regulations act 2003? how about sexual offences act 2006? to be put on the street in uniform with only 10hours legal studies is pathetic

    If RTA is all you know and youve never made an arrest or issued a summons, then you should have been a traffic warden.

    Assert yourself

    course i know them , ok mabe it was a bit more then ten hours, i was just making a point, i know all the acts, but what im saying is, reserves do not have powers under theses acts.... so you only need to know when an offence is committed, and lets face it, anyone can do that if you can tell the difference between right and wrong. and do not go lying saying you have done a summons on behalf of yourself....because thats not in the law for us to do


  • #845
    leinsterdude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭leinsterdude


    Are you a reserve ? I hope you are not always so militant, he made a simple point and you ram this nonsense down his throat ?

    Relax dude.


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    yeah Dublin folk do it right

    10hours is not enough. thats why were prescribed to do over 50hours legal studies. and even at that i feel we could do with more

    if you did 10, quite frankly you were conned out of your training program and if i were you, id be upset at such

    how the hell can 10hours be sufficient to have working knowledge of the law on the street? and so what if you passed the exam. that will mean nothing when your out in the real world with your fulltime colleague who will have 18months of training under his/her belt with substantial knowlege of the law. by bragging about 10 hours, your selling the whole concept of the reserve short and your leaving yourself exposed

    poor you


    and my advice to any Reserve Students on here, if during your phase 2 you feel your lacking in time spent on text books, get it sorted. Dont be fobbed off with 'ah ya dont need this and ya dont need that' you need it all. the cirriculum is short and youll need every bit of time spent on your texts and you will need to have a good grasp of the law

    no point going into your station and not having a clue what certain sections are


  • #846
    trail man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    would have to agree with leinsterdude its not training for iraq..
    yes its tough,but remember its a great education and anything worh having dosent come easy..at the end of the day being a reserve is all about volunteering and giving something back to the community.
    enjoy it and learn from it........:cool:..


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  • #847
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    perhaps its not iraq

    but it is a serious business and should be treated as such

    tellin potential students that 10hours of legal studies is cool is belittleing the training they are about to do and makes a laughing stock of the whole concept of the reserves

    Taken from
    S.I. No. 413/2006 — Garda Síochána (Reserve Members) Regulations 2006


    (1) For the purpose of section 15(2) of the Act, the following is the prescribed training:
    (a) Phase One - a two-day induction course, the components of this phase are to include-
    (i) a welcome and introduction to the Garda Síochána,
    (ii) an outline of what the Garda Síochána does and what it expects of reserve members,
    (iii) an overview of the law on human rights,
    (iv) an overview of the law, practice and procedure relating to the Garda Síochána,
    (v) the service requirements of the Garda Síochána (including discipline, ethics, and organisational culture), and
    (vi) motivation;
    (b) Phase 2 - 56 hours of training, the components of this phase are to include training in the laws relating to-
    (i) assault,
    (ii) road traffic offences,
    (iii) powers of arrest, and
    (iv) arrestable offences,
    and training in the procedures relating to crime reports and Garda information technology systems;
    (c) Phase 3 - two days of training, the components of this phase are to include-
    (i) role-play exercises, including radio procedures, and
    (ii) instruction in self defence, handcuff techniques and use of equipment;
    (d) Phase 4 - a minimum of 40 hours of training at a Garda station nominated by the Garda Commissioner, the components of this phase are to include-
    (i) accompanied beat patrol with a member other than a reserve member, and
    (ii) supervised station duty;
    (e) Phase 5 - a one day graduation.


    As you can see, its prescribed by law that you do 56hours legal studies

    great to be tellin student reserves its quite alright to flaunt it


  • #848
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    @ wilco-out

    Just curious but how long since you graduated/been a reserve?


  • #849
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    kensey wrote: »
    @ wilco-out

    Just curious but how long since you graduated/been a reserve?

    before i answer, may i ask why u need to know my length of service?


  • #850
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    You may!

    I'm asking because you seem to be very intent for the need to have the prescribed 56hrs in training. That I agree with. But theres no point in reserves being half informed or misinformed. However, remember our/reserves key role? Were there to assist, that's it. Leave the legal jargon to our full time colleagues and higher ranking officers. They decide what the offence is and what section an offender will or should be charged with. In the role of assistance it's not necessary to know all these sections and acts off by heart. What makes you a competent reserve is not knowing all the fine detail of the Offences against the person act but the abilityto follow instruction and having a little cop on. That goes alot further.

    PS - Even with 56hrs training, were nowhere near knowing the law to the level of what a full time colleague does. If one were to assume they "know the law" after 56 hrs, then my friend, one would become a liability

    So, my initial question... How long since you have graduated or been a reserve?


  • #851
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    kensey wrote: »

    Were there to assist, that's it.

    What exactly, in your opinion, consists of 'assisting' in respect to a Reserve Garda
    PS - Even with 56hrs training, were nowhere near knowing the law to the level of what a full time colleague does. If one were to assume they "know the law" after 56 hrs, then my friend, one would become a liability

    I have stated above and before, that 56 hours is not near enough legal studies time

    I have never claimed to 'know' the law, i am no legal expert. I wish I was and I do my best outside of my reserve training to brush up on my law and become more aquianted with the everyday use of such laws and powers by my fulltime colleagues


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  • #852
    ZoneAlarm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    Just a quick one for you all, the last lot of full timers done 20 weeks training and where finished, this will be the new way they are going to do it, so work out the hrs now, what ever you learn in class it goes nowhere near what you learn on the beat.

    Hands on training beats any amount of sitting in a classroom, and also no amount of training beats life experience of the real world, having a safe training environment is only glossing over what is going to happen to you on the street.

    The training does help but who is going to follow it to the rule ok now stand there put your hands on your head, put one arm back and now the other arm, they would laugh at you, and probably done a runner by that time, its all well and good classroom scenarios but they dont work in the real world.


  • #853
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    What exactly, in your opinion, consists of 'assisting' in respect to a Reserve Garda



    I have stated above and before, that 56 hours is not near enough legal studies time

    I have never claimed to 'know' the law, i am no legal expert. I wish I was and I do my best outside of my reserve training to brush up on my law

    "Assisting" will be defined once you finish your reserve training Wilko. So will alot of other things.

    Enjoy the training and best of luck! :)


  • #854
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    kensey wrote: »
    "Assisting" will be defined once you finish your reserve training Wilko. So will alot of other things.

    Enjoy the training and best of luck! :)

    a rather patroninsing and misinformed reply

    im attested and have been for some time

    and you?


  • #855
    starman08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭starman08


    i think my biggest concern is that we do 208 hrs a year, when you think about that, that is equvilant to less than two months work for a student garda,
    so i feel we have a long way to go


  • #856
    cordub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    before i answer, may i ask why u need to know my length of service?
    judging by Wilcoout posts he is an anti reserve man , sounds like a bit of a bitter garda me thinks god help all you poor reservists meeting up with him:rolleyes::rolleyes: on the job


  • #857
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    WilcoOut wrote: »
    a rather patroninsing and misinformed reply

    How so??

    You did say you try to brush up on your law outside of your reserve training so if I have made "a rather patroninsing and misinformed reply" it has been on your information.

    This form is supposed to be for everyone to share and seek information relating to AGS Reserve, not for putting others down.

    (sorry if I'm over-stepping the line mods!)


  • #858
    WilcoOut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭WilcoOut


    cordub wrote: »
    judging by Wilcoout posts he is an anti reserve man , sounds like a bit of a bitter garda me thinks god help all you poor reservists meeting up with him:rolleyes::rolleyes: on the job

    oh no, the jig is up!

    iv been found out, drat. back to pollys i go


  • #859
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    cordub wrote: »
    judging by Wilcoout posts he is an anti reserve man , sounds like a bit of a bitter garda me thinks god help all you poor reservists meeting up with him:rolleyes::rolleyes: on the job

    He's no Garda! Maybe a Barrister in the old Bailey though!! :)


  • #860
    Scouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    kensey wrote: »
    . However, remember our/reserves key role? Were there to assist, that's it.

    you sound like a bit of a hobbyist

    assisting is not a problem for me, i just want to be assisting in the most effective way possible

    and assisting with police duties after undertaking 10hours training is farcical

    Im with WilcoOut on this one

    i believe Reserve Training should be overhauled, top to bottom and its roles more clearly defined and its manpower more effectivly deployed


  • #861
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    Scouser wrote: »
    you sound like a bit of a hobbyist

    assisting is not a problem for me, i just want to be assisting in the most effective way possible

    and assisting with police duties after undertaking 10hours training is farcical

    Im with WilcoOut on this one

    i believe Reserve Training should be overhauled, top to bottom and its roles more clearly defined and its manpower more effectivly deployed

    I agree with you entirely. However I'm not a hobbyist when it comes to being a reserve, I take it quite seriously and have done since I started ages ago. I was merely making the point that knowing or trying to know the extent of the law is not in the whole part entirely necessary for a reserve. That's for higher rank.
    I do agree also that the reserve concept needs looking at but that's a whole other debate


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  • #862
    Scouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    kensey wrote: »
    However I'm not a hobbyist when it comes to being a reserve, I take it quite seriously

    that being said, I dont think speculating as to what rank Wilco holds or what service he has is particularly very respectful to the guy

    I think some of his points are very valid and commend him for bringing them to our attention and indeed for defending them so passionatly

    hes obviously a commited and enthusiastic member of the Reserve


  • #863
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    Scouser wrote: »
    that being said, I dont think speculating as to what rank Wilco holds or what service he has is particularly very respectful to the guy

    I think some of his points are very valid and commend him for bringing them to our attention and indeed for defending them so passionatly

    hes obviously a commited and enthusiastic member of the Reserve

    I haven't questioned his commitment or said that any of his points were invalid. As regards his rank, well he did say he is a reserve so I did not speculate at all. On the contrary, is it not speculation to brand me a hobbyist??


  • #864
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    kensey wrote: »
    I haven't questioned his commitment or said that any of his points were invalid. As regards his rank, well he did say he is a reserve so I did not speculate at all. On the contrary, is it not speculation to brand me a hobbyist??


    Kensey,

    One thing you will have to understand about these forums is that if you have an alternate opinion they will jump on you like a pack of wild hyena's

    Best not to take it personally and do what the majority of reserves do, just get on with the job as you see it and do the best you can in helping your full time colleagues and of course enjoy your time with the reserves

    The best of luck with all your endeavours


  • #865
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,893 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Raider190 wrote: »
    One thing you will have to understand about these forums is that if you have an alternate opinion they will jump on you like a pack of wild hyena's
    I would disagree. You are free to have an alternate opinion if you wish, but you should put your opinion across in a respectable and polite manner. It's not against the charter to have an opinion. How you convey that opinion is what tends to make the natives restless.


  • #866
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    psni wrote: »
    I would disagree. You are free to have an alternate opinion if you wish, but you should put your opinion across in a respectable and polite manner. It's not against the charter to have an opinion. How you convey that opinion is what tends to make the natives restless.

    Appologies if I've caused offence, wasn't my intention.


  • #867
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,893 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    In all fairness, this was uncalled-for IMO. Present your opinion, no matter how far left or far right it is pertaining to the GR, in a dignified and forthright manner, and nobody can fault you for it.
    kensey wrote: »
    Appologies if I've caused offence, wasn't my intention.


  • #868
    kensey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭kensey


    psni wrote: »
    In all fairness, this was uncalled-for IMO. Present your opinion, no matter how far left or far right it is pertaining to the GR, in a dignified and forthright manner, and nobody can fault you for it.

    Fair point psni


  • #869
    andrewb123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭andrewb123


    hey everyone,

    I'm going down to Templemore on Friday for phase one of the training. I was told that the dress code is smart casual? Does anyone that has already been down for phase one know what that exactly means? I'm a 20 year old male so would jeans and a shirt and top be ok or what is the norm? Or was it a mixture of people in jeans and others slightly more formal?

    Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!Thanks in advance!!
    :)


  • #870
    lawnmower1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭lawnmower1989


    i wore slacks and shirt, no tie or neting. but there was people in jeans and that. if you have slacks wear them, defnitly avoid hoodies....and just because a few might just dress as they please....it doesnt make it ok. bring jeans with you definitly...but try and present yourself as best as you can first day :)


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  • #871
    jc1980
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭jc1980


    Nice shirt, nice jumper and nice pair of jeans. Think that would be alright?


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