Demons Souls

Sisko · 13-02-2011 9:49pm

when are the servers going down?

Kraken · 13-02-2011 9:58pm

not too sure mid year i think but might be sooner

AnCapaillMor · 14-02-2011 8:11am

Qu♊n♊ne wrote: »

Also - and I know it's a dirty, dirty tactic - I'm considering making the Scraping Spear. I'm sick of being invaded in Latria and from now on I'm going to keep it on me to really ruin some armour.
It's maddening: almost every time I enter Latria I'm invaded where it seldom happens in other worlds. Latria is already bad enough without straining to see some BP against the darkness.

Its actually the one level i've been invaded the least, discounting the boss. you really want to screw with invaders, spam acid cloud. Waaay more effective than the spear.

rickyjb · 14-02-2011 5:05pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Its actually the one level i've been invaded the least, discounting the boss. you really want to screw with invaders, spam acid cloud. Waaay more effective than the spear.

Is it strange that I've never been invaded? I've only played about 20 hours but it's all been online. Do you get protected from black phantoms if you're low level?

F1ngers · 14-02-2011 7:08pm

rickyjb wrote: »

Is it strange that I've never been invaded? I've only played about 20 hours but it's all been online. Do you get protected from black phantoms if you're low level?

If you're in soul form, you don't get invaded.

penev10 · 14-02-2011 7:17pm

rickyjb wrote: »

Is it strange that I've never been invaded? I've only played about 20 hours but it's all been online. Do you get protected from black phantoms if you're low level?

Also, there doesnt tend to be as much invading at lower levels. You can only invade someone with roughly the same level as you (theres a way to calculate the range of the levels but I forget it)

F1ngers · 14-02-2011 8:21pm

penev10 wrote: »

Also, there doesnt tend to be as much invading at lower levels. You can only invade someone with roughly the same level as you (theres a way to calculate the range of the levels but I forget it)

I think you have to be within a +/-10 level difference to be able to invade/join in multiplayer.

penev10 · 14-02-2011 8:47pm

Yeah, roughly. It gets wider the higher the level you are.

Heres a calculator

http://www.demonssouls.info/level-range.php

Disco Damo · 14-02-2011 11:35pm

rickyjb wrote: »

Is it strange that I've never been invaded? I've only played about 20 hours but it's all been online. Do you get protected from black phantoms if you're low level?

You can't get invaded if you are in soul form at all, and you can only be invaded by people who are a similar level to you (the range is about 10 percent of you level plus 10 levels, approx).

AnCapaillMor · 15-02-2011 8:30am

penev10 wrote: »

Also, there doesnt tend to be as much invading at lower levels.

Not as common now but before you'd get guys who collected all the best weapons avalible then delevel themselves and invade to kick newbs ass's with a dragon mirdan+5 or north regalia. I remember bumping into 1 guy as soon as i just killed phalanx who must've had the adjudicators shield+5 along with the dragon mirdan+5, spent 5 minutes dodging and slashing any damage i did with my base character just seemed to regenerate after a few secs. Gave up in the end and he 1 shotted me.

PaddyBomb · 15-02-2011 1:27pm

Finally on my first proper playthrough of this, just one question. Should I beat all the bosses in soul form or does it matter? I've read somewhere that dying in body form does something to the world and to not mess with it if you don't know what you're doing.

AnCapaillMor · 15-02-2011 1:34pm

If you get killed by the boss, it doesn't affect world tendency. Main thing about body form is summoning 2 others to help you. Best read the below, took me a while to get my head around world tendency.

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency

Retr0gamer · 15-02-2011 1:36pm

Dying in body form gives the world more dark world tendency. Do it too much and you'll be fighting harder enemies. Best is to go in and try to learn their patterns. If you need that extra bit of health of need some blue phantoms to help you then go into body form. If you need blue phantoms you'll have to pick them up at the start of the level and run the risk of being invaded.

rickyjb · 15-02-2011 2:38pm

F1ngers wrote: »

If you're in soul form, you don't get invaded.

It won't be an issue for me then!:D

I did think however that if you were in body form and got killed when you went back to where you died straight away you would get back to body form, is that not the case?

When I killed the Armor Spider I went back to the Nexus in body form to spend my souls then straight back to 3-2 for a look. Fell off those platforms and killed myself but ran straight back to my bloodstain. Even though I got the few souls I had collected back I didn't get put back into body form??

F1ngers · 15-02-2011 2:42pm

rickyjb wrote: »

It won't be an issue for me then!:D

I did think however that if you were in body form and got killed when you went back to where you died straight away you would get back to body form, is that not the case?

No, you die - you're dead. There are ways to get your life back though.

rickyjb wrote: »

When I killed the Armor Spider I went back to the Nexus in body form to spend my souls then straight back to 3-2 for a look. Fell off those platforms and killed myself but ran straight back to my bloodstain. Even though I got the few souls I had collected back I didn't get put back into body form??

By killing a Demon you get your life back - if you then die, you stay dead til you kill another Demon or use a Stone of Ephemeral Eyes

moonboy52 · 15-02-2011 2:45pm

rickyjb wrote: »

Even though I got the few souls I had collected back I didn't get put back into body form??

Been a while since i played but i think the 2 ways to get back into body form is:

1. Kill a boss

2. Use a Stone of Ephemeral Eyes

F1ngers beat me to it

weiland79 · 15-02-2011 3:20pm

For some reason the WT is black at the momement,so the first gate in the Boletarian castle was open. I went through and managed to kill the black phantom. I got the brushwood helmet and shield but the rest was too heavy for me to carry. I went back to the Nexus to offload some gear but when i came back to B castle the rest of the armour was gone. Is it gone for good now?

Now that the WT is black is there anywhere else of note i should go to?

Also i got a clear demons soul. Who should i give this to?

Oh and now i see what is meant by harder enemies when WT is black. These guy's are killing me with one hit. Any tips guy's

penev10 · 15-02-2011 4:05pm

weiland79 wrote: »

For some reason the WT is black at the momement,so the first gate in the Boletarian castle was open. I went through and managed to kill the black phantom. I got the brushwood helmet and shield but the rest was too heavy for me to carry. I went back to the Nexus to offload some gear but when i came back to B castle the rest of the armour was gone. Is it gone for good now?

I know the treasures can move soemtimes, especially if they fall over the edge of something. Maybe try just inside the door of the dungeon where you fought the executioner.

weiland79 wrote: »

Now that the WT is black is there anywhere else of note i should go to??

There should be soem more Demons like the one you got the colourless soul from. I think theres one in 1-2 and maybe 1-4

weiland79 wrote: »

Also i got a clear demons soul. Who should i give this to?

This is used by the blacksmith in 2-1 to upgrade certain items

weiland79 wrote: »

Oh and now i see what is meant by harder enemies when WT is black. These guy's are killing me with one hit. Any tips guy's

Level up! Should be easier to do so as they will give you more souls the harder they are.

AnCapaillMor · 15-02-2011 4:10pm

weiland79 wrote: »

For some reason the WT is black at the momement,so the first gate in the Boletarian castle was open. I went through and managed to kill the black phantom. I got the brushwood helmet and shield but the rest was too heavy for me to carry. I went back to the Nexus to offload some gear but when i came back to B castle the rest of the armour was gone. Is it gone for good now?

Now that the WT is black is there anywhere else of note i should go to?

Also i got a clear demons soul. Who should i give this to?

Oh and now i see what is meant by harder enemies when WT is black. These guy's are killing me with one hit. Any tips guy's

Yep its gone. If you picked it up and dropped because of weight, it'll be gone on the next load. always handy to have the ring of herculean strength for situations like that. Armours too bloody heavy anyway, and its got a severe stamina penalty. It is possible to pick it up elsewhere later.

If 1-3 is open, go there and go through the portcullis if you opened them, there'll be a primevil demon(drops colorless soul) around there, although if you did kill miralda you won't be pure black anymore.

Personaly the colorless demons soul is more important. There's a max of 9 if these throughout the playthrough. Some unique weapons use the colorless soul to upgrade, i.e. adjudicators shield, the more colorless souls you put into it the quicker the health regen. Also there's a miracle that requires 3 colorless souls, if you want the plat you'll need it.

weiland79 · 15-02-2011 4:17pm

I see the archstone for the Bol castle is white again. Why is this?

sh!t now stonefang is white again i'm guessing because i killed the Demon with the clear soul.

weiland79 · 17-02-2011 6:53pm

So I'm deleting this from my PS as soon as i get home tonight and installing my new European edition, I've been playing with a Korean version and as i mentioned above after an hour or so I'm getting disconnected from the servers.

Anywho just thought i might get you guy's thoughts on a character build. I had been using the Knight until now and if I'm honest didn't really have too much trouble with him, until WT turned black the other day and i was owned by nearly every black phantom i came across. I see from the booklet that the Royalty Character get some kind of rare ring from the start,(another benefit of an English version) what ring is this?

I enjoy playing as a melee character but was only beginning to understand the magic is also essential part of the game (first time I've ever played an RPG)

Thoughts?

F1ngers · 17-02-2011 10:03pm

weiland79 wrote: »

So I'm deleting this from my PS as soon as i get home tonight and installing my new European edition, I've been playing with a Korean version and as i mentioned above after an hour or so I'm getting disconnected from the servers.

Anywho just thought i might get you guy's thoughts on a character build. I had been using the Knight until now and if I'm honest didn't really have too much trouble with him, until WT turned black the other day and i was owned by nearly every black phantom i came across. I see from the booklet that the Royalty Character get some kind of rare ring from the start,(another benefit of an English version) what ring is this?

Tells you the ring you get.
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/royalty

weiland79 wrote: »

I enjoy playing as a melee character but was only beginning to understand the magic is also essential part of the game (first time I've ever played an RPG)

Thoughts?

I would recommend being a lady. Very handy when farming souls. "I'm a lady"

Kiith · 18-02-2011 9:16am

Did Boletaria with Pure Black Tendancy last night, and killed myself a few Black Phantoms. Was on my mage, and i got a load of heavy armour

Also, Firestorm is ridiculously overpowered. Killed Garl Vinland in 5-3 in like 3 hits, all of which knocked him down. Stupidly easy.

Going to try some soul farming on 4-2 with PBT, and try get base stats up a bit. It's annoying still having the same leather shield that i got at the start of the game.

weiland79 wrote: »

I see the archstone for the Bol castle is white again. Why is this?

sh!t now stonefang is white again i'm guessing because i killed the Demon with the clear soul.

Just so you know, if you are playing Online, your World Tendancy will shift back toward the average server tendancy (usually white). If you want to farm some Black worlds, do it in Offline mode.

AnCapaillMor · 18-02-2011 9:30am

Boletaria in PBWT is tricky in particular that bit with the 2 fat ministers.

If you've completed world 4, the place to get souls is start off at 4-2 boss archstone, take out the manta's in 4-3 and work your way back through 4-2, much easier to ambush there and the BP dual katana is much easier to handle via sneaking and fire storming or soul suck if you have it.

firestorms great but hard to predict where the pillars hit. I've taken out 3 players with it and other times ive missed all 3.

Kiith · 18-02-2011 11:53am

Yeah, those two fat ministers cause my some trouble, but i killed them by coming from the other direction on my 2nd attempt. Didn't get stuck with the two of them, 3 archers and the knight. On 4-2, those Manta's are still pissing me off with my Mage though. My Soul Ray spell seems to miss them most of the time, and timing it is bloody awkward. Much easier with my Knight and the Compound Bow.

Is there any way to increase your chances of getting invaded? I need to try and get my worlds back to pure white, as there are some good rewards for mages in pure white (venerable saints armour for example).

AnCapaillMor · 18-02-2011 1:29pm

If you wipe out the manta's in 4-3 and then turn back and go through 4-2, they won't be there.

Note that Once you've finshed a world you can't be invaded on it. As for increasing chances, just wait around Favoured invading worlds seem to be 1-3, 2-2, 3-2, 4-1(possibly 4-2), world 5 only been invaded twice and that was on 5-1.

Kraken · 18-02-2011 6:14pm

whats levels are you all and whats your build?

weiland79 · 19-02-2011 12:36am

Well buying the EU version did absolutely no good. I was disconnected from the servers in the record time of 12 minutes into the Boletarian palace.

Totally gutted after deleting my Asian version and all my progress. Checked the Namcobandai forums and the last thread about it is back in October of last year and no one seems to have a solution.

Signed

Not a happy camper:mad:

PaddyBomb · 19-02-2011 1:24pm

weiland79 wrote: »

Well buying the EU version did absolutely no good. I was disconnected from the servers in the record time of 12 minutes into the Boletarian palace.

Totally gutted after deleting my Asian version and all my progress. Checked the Namcobandai forums and the last thread about it is back in October of last year and no one seems to have a solution.

Signed

Not a happy camper:mad:

I've over 15 hours gameplay now and haven't had one disconnect. Do you have any problems with other games online?

weiland79 · 19-02-2011 1:33pm

PaddyBomb wrote: »

I've over 15 hours gameplay now and haven't had one disconnect. Do you have any problems with other games online?

Never, 30mb UPC connection everything else i play is perfect. A message comes up that Demons Souls is unable to connect to servers and that i should check www.namcobandaigames.com/eu but as i said there is no help to be had there.

WolfForager · 21-02-2011 8:16pm

Decided to play this again tonight, forgot how melancholy it was though! To counter this i decided to play a happy playlist i had on itunes consisting of the strokes on other various artists, works a treat!

EDIT: Is there even any point in me taking on the Armor spider without any fire res armour?

weiland79 · 21-02-2011 10:40pm

WolfForager wrote: »

Decided to play this again tonight, forgot how melancholy it was though! To counter this i decided to play a happy playlist i had on itunes consisting of the strokes on other various artists, works a treat!

EDIT: Is there even any point in me taking on the Armor spider without any fire res armour?

The Armor Spider is a piece of piss with the compound long bow. You don't even have to get close to her,just stay near the entrance and snipe her from there.

In regards to the brass telescope and the Jade hair ornament. Have they any other uses other than to give to the dude in the tree,or should i keep them for something else?

AnCapaillMor · 22-02-2011 8:17am

Brass telescope is redundant once you get a bow. Never used and it and never heard anything of it. Jade hair ornament is important if you want a certain trophy

Keep talking to Stockpile O'Shaughnessy and he'll eventually talk about his daughter and ask for the jade hair ornament, then he'll give the ring of herculean strength, its the only way to get that ring and comes in handy at times

weiland79 · 22-02-2011 9:17am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Brass telescope is redundant once you get a bow. Never used and it and never heard anything of it. Jade hair ornament is important if you want a certain trophy
Keep talking to Stockpile O'Shaughnessy and he'll eventually talk about his daughter and ask for the jade hair ornament, then he'll give the ring of herculean strength, its the only way to get that ring and comes in handy at times

Ring of Herculean strength received. Nice one!

AnCapaillMor · 22-02-2011 9:33am

The 2 things you want to give to crow(dude in tree) is the talisman of god and gold mask, you get colorless demons soul for those. Upgrade the kris knife with those to bump up your magic power big time. Makes a relatively weak magic user pretty decent.

weiland79 · 22-02-2011 11:05am

I tried to put down the talisman but for some reason he won't take it, he has taken everything else so far. I'll try the Goldmask now and see how i get on.
Is the Kris blade the same as Kris knife?

No definately won't take the talisman. He took the gold mask alright though.

AnCapaillMor · 22-02-2011 11:50am

Must've used it already if its giving you nothing. List below of what crow gives in exchange.

Yeah kris knife crap as a weapon but it boosts your magic attack, kris knife in 1 hand, talisman\wand in the other, ring of magical sharpness and old monks headgear can almost treble your magic damage.

Soul Remain 10x White Arrows
Augite of Guidance 10x White Arrows
Shard of Mercurystone 10x Full Moon Grass
Chunk of Mercurystone 10x New Moon Grass
Pure Mercurystone 10x Dark Moon Grass
Shard of Moonlightstone 20x White Arrows
Chunk of Moonlightstone 40x White Arrows
Pure Moonlightstone White Bow
Shard of Faintstone 5x Shard of Archstone
Chunk of Faintstone 10x Sticky White Stuff
Pure Faintstone 3x Stone of Ephemeral Eyes
Jade Hair Ornament Regenerator's Ring
Brass Telescope Fragrant Ring
Large Sword of Moonlight Ring of Devout Prayer
Phosphorescent Pole Ring of Magical Dullness
Silver Coronet Storied Hero's Soul
Silver Bracelet Storied Hero's Soul
Talisman of God Colorless Demon's Soul
Gold Mask Colorless Demon's Soul

PaddyBomb · 24-02-2011 11:58am

When upgrading weapons the sharpstone, hardstone, etc. don't need to in your inventory, they can be with Stockpile Thomas and you can still use them?

Felt like a tool today when I was running back and forth from Ed thinking I had more with Stockpile

Fresh2000 · 28-02-2011 11:03pm

this game is so cool... I have just hit platinium in my US version and thinking about doing it again with EU version, even trying to swap with someone in that swapping thread.

to everybody that are frustrated, more you play easier it gets... as well check speedrun video on youtube where one guy do it in under 1 hour, it is sick

rickyjb · 01-03-2011 10:29am

Fair play for having the time and patience to finish it four times or whatever you need to do to get a platinum trophy...

PaddyBomb · 21-03-2011 11:03am

5-2 has to be the most headwrecking stage in this game. Must have got lost and got poisoned about 100 times. Sometimes I get lost and run into a BP with a meat cleaver and sometimes I run into 3 big ogres with clubs. Can't wait for this part to be done, I'll never be entering it again.

AnCapaillMor · 21-03-2011 11:22am

Try it on pure black world tendency, its great fun then.

Thiefs ring is your friend here you can sneak past most of the enemies in it.

tonydude · 22-03-2011 1:31am

PaddyBomb wrote: »

3 big ogres with clubs..

They' re proper annoying alright, hated that level when i first played it.

PaddyBomb · 22-03-2011 10:42am

I finally got through it and have every boss but the False King killed. I'll get him down to just below half his health and then he'll tear me apart. So I decided to go to body form and get some help... Invaded 3 times

. Anyway is anybody still playing this and want to give me a hand with the boss later on tonight? Be much appreciated.

AnCapaillMor · 22-03-2011 10:49am

Could never figure that out with the EU edition, they loved invading 1-4, suppose it makes sense with the dragon but anyways never got invaded there in the US or Asian edition, once maybe.

rickyjb · 22-03-2011 11:27am

Maneater is wrecking my head, even after killing one of them before entering the fog gate I keep getting killed by that stupid tackle move he has, it's impossible to avoid. Either that or I roll/run off the edge:o

At least it's not far to run up to the boss battle in 3-2, I'm now an expert at backstabbing the red squid head thing in such a way that I kick him over the side

AnCapaillMor · 22-03-2011 11:33am

Stick to the middle section and keep the flame in the middle beyween you and him, should be able to outmaneuvre and get him from behind.

rickyjb · 22-03-2011 11:37am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Stick to the middle section and keep the flame in the middle beyween you and him, should be able to outmaneuvre and get him from behind.

Yeah I think I went from being too aggressive and dying too much to being too afraid of him and not doing enough damage. And still dying:) I'll give him another go tonight. Is it better to hit his tail section or the main body or does it matter? Any tips for avoiding that tackle move where he dives at you??

AnCapaillMor · 22-03-2011 11:54am

Whats your build?, magic, melee, a mix of both? Safest and longest way is upgrade the sh1t out the winged spear(best reach) and stabl him through the fire. If you keep the fire between him and you rolling\doding shouldn't be an issue to dodge the tackle. As for the tail, it can be tricky to target and get, knocking it off stop his power up attack.

rickyjb · 22-03-2011 12:18pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Whats your build?, magic, melee, a mix of both? Safest and longest way is upgrade the sh1t out the winged spear(best reach) and stabl him through the fire. If you keep the fire between him and you rolling\doding shouldn't be an issue to dodge the tackle. As for the tail, it can be tricky to target and get, knocking it off stop his power up attack.

Melee and ranged at the moment, I've already got the winged spear:D. Went for the quality route with it a while back but regretting it now as I'm having trouble finding clearstones. What upgrade route would you recommend?

I've also added soul ray which does reasonable damage considering my magic stats, and I have a sticky compound long bow.

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