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Garda asking for name

  • 19-01-2011 12:20AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭


    Simple question here, does one have to tell a member of AGS their name and/or address? I'm not talking about after being arrested, or interviewed etc, but if a member of AGS asks for those details do you have to give them?

    Take this situation for example, someone is handing out leaflets, a Garda comes over, asks both the person giving and a random passer by(who was given a leaflet) their names, do they have to give them?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Afaik it's an obligation to give name address where you live and where you are coming from

    Here is some stuff from indymedia saying I'm wrong

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82108


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭baldbear


    http://www.politics.ie/justice/97491-your-rights-how-deal-gardai.html

    Answer in here! If you aren't breaking the law i don't see why you have to give you're name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭blackcoat


    No you do not have to give them your name but my own personal advice would be just to provide it.

    Contrary to what the anarchists and conspiracy theorists at indymedia say, the Gardai will have a valid reason for asking someone their name or details. (queue the irrational ramblings of the aforementioned...)

    I realise that some people may see it as somewhat invasive but as I said, the guards don't just ask for no reason at all and as long as they are polite about it and, if appropriate (eg. so long as it wouldnt interfere with their enquiries), provide a reason for their doing so, I see no reason why anyone would refuse to just give their name. Otherwise they are rightfully arousing the Garda's suspicions.

    Don't believe all you read on indymedia. The opening line is enough to predict that what follows will be pure drivel.
    I'd say there's more articulate stuff scrawled in s**t on the walls of institutions for the criminally insane.

    I've been stopped once by the Gardai as I walked home from a night out and gladly provided my details when they asked.
    Somebodys home may have just been burgled nearby and it would have been extremely incompetent of them to simply drive by me.
    I saw it as a minor incovenience and very slight encroachment on my rights for a greater good, in the same way airport security is.

    I think its good to see the guards being proactive like that and if you were a victim of crime you'd no doubt be glad to know that the Guards were actively investigating it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    No you do not have to give them your name but my own personal advice would be just to provide it.

    I probably would, but I am just curious as to whether I am always legally required to give such details to the garda when I have done no wrong, ie distributing leaflets or the like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭Keith186


    Just tell them you're Mussolini for the laugh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    ^ Epic Thanking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Michael Angelo.


    Severe de ja vu with this one.....

    The public order act of 94 is possibly your best friend in answering your "discussion"


    Sec 24.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds any person committing an offence under a relevant provision, the member may arrest such person without warrant.

    (2) Where a member of the Garda Síochána is of the opinion that an offence has been committed under a relevant provision, the member may—

    (a) demand the name and address of any person whom the member suspects, with reasonable cause, has committed, or whom the member finds committing, such an offence, and

    (b) arrest without warrant any such person who fails or refuses to give his name and address when demanded, or gives a name or address which the member has reasonable grounds for believing is false or misleading.

    (3) Any person who fails or refuses to give his name and address when demanded by virtue of subsection (2), or gives a name or address when so demanded which is false or misleading, shall be guilty of an offence.

    (4) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (3) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or to both.


    So delivering envelopes you say.........

    Section 8 (1) B will cover this activity especially If your a stranger in the area or on private property (to exit you will have to re enter public property)

    8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—

    (a) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 or 9 , or

    (b) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace,

    Can I ask why your seeking this advice??? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭francie82


    Obviously they are askin u for a reason,,,,maybe they suspect somethin. U are obliged to give ur name and if u give a name they can bring u back to the station to clarify that it is ur correct name. I know for sure its not an offence to give a wrong DOB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Locust


    OP -
    You can also be stopped by Gardai when driving a vehicle, doing nothing wrong, you can be routinely stopped (Section 109 Road Traffic Act gives this power). Section 40 - your driving licence can be demanded off you (which obviously has your name address dob details etc). Section 107 also provides for demanding name and address and there is also a subsequent power of arrest for providing a name or address which is false or misleading.
    So yes, yes you are legally obliged. Otherwise you are wide open to getting arrested/charged/summonsed. As already mentioned you become more suspicious when you refuse to give your name or become uncooperative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭matt-dublin


    If a garda or you cannot prove your identity you can be detained Until such a time it can be ascertained


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    baldbear wrote: »
    http://www.politics.ie/justice/97491-your-rights-how-deal-gardai.html

    Answer in here! If you aren't breaking the law i don't see why you have to give you're name.

    It's called common decency. Has become fairly scarce in todays Ireland.

    Tigger wrote: »
    Afaik it's an obligation to give name address where you live and where you are coming from

    Here is some stuff from indymedia saying I'm wrong

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82108

    They get their info from the Freemen of Ireland. Nothing but tripe.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Simple question here, does one have to tell a member of AGS their name and/or address? I'm not talking about after being arrested, or interviewed etc, but if a member of AGS asks for those details do you have to give them?

    Take this situation for example, someone is handing out leaflets, a Garda comes over, asks both the person giving and a random passer by(who was given a leaflet) their names, do they have to give them?

    You don't have to give your name if a Garda asks you under any legislation. However you may face some consequences to this. For example if you have been arrested and don't give your name you can be in custody until you do.

    There are a number of Acts which allow a Garda to demand your name though. Littering, road traffic, puclic order, drugs, offences against the state, theft and firearms legislation all provide this power in certain circumstances. If you do not give correct details in an instance where a Garda has demanded them lawfully you can be arrested and charged for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭source


    OP do you mind if i ask....these leaflets you were handing out, what were they for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    In all honesty the Garda was probably investigating a complaint of littering.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    I would think the answer is in the content of the leaflet and maybe a complaint the Garda got about it, or maybe the Garda themselves has concerns as to the content.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Keith186 wrote: »
    Just tell them you're Mussolini for the laugh

    Just don't be standing under a lamp post when you do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Wudyaquit


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    I would think the answer is in the content of the leaflet and maybe a complaint the Garda got about it, or maybe the Garda themselves has concerns as to the content.
    Or maybe he was a nosey twat with nothing better to do


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Wudyaquit wrote: »
    Or maybe he was a nosey twat with nothing better to do

    He's paid to be nosey, twats an awful then to call him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    foinse wrote: »
    OP do you mind if i ask....these leaflets you were handing out, what were they for?

    It was a hypothetical situation.
    You don't have to give your name if a Garda asks you under any legislation. However you may face some consequences to this. For example if you have been arrested and don't give your name you can be in custody until you do.

    There are a number of Acts which allow a Garda to demand your name though. Littering, road traffic, puclic order, drugs, offences against the state, theft and firearms legislation all provide this power in certain circumstances. If you do not give correct details in an instance where a Garda has demanded them lawfully you can be arrested and charged for it.
    I probably would give my name, but I was curious as to what authority the garda had to ask for my name in an instance where I had done nothing wrong. So if I am just walking down the street and a garda asks my name, and wont give a reason as to why he is asking, I can say no and keep going?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It was a hypothetical situation.


    I probably would give my name, but I was curious as to what authority the garda had to ask for my name in an instance where I had done nothing wrong. So if I am just walking down the street and a garda asks my name, and wont give a reason as to why he is asking, I can say no and keep going?

    Yeah but don't expect to get very far before being stopped and having your name demanded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    But a Garda would need to invoke a statutory power to demand it in that situation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Haddockman wrote: »
    But a Garda would need to invoke a statutory power to demand it in that situation.

    Yeah. But Gardaí don't go around asking for peoples name without a reason. They just ask first to give the person a chance to volunteer it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    k_mac wrote: »
    Yeah. But Gardaí don't go around asking for peoples name without a reason. They just ask first to give the person a chance to volunteer it.
    Sometimes that reason is to intimidate though.

    If I ask for a reason, am given none, then the garda would obviously be making one up the second time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Sometimes that reason is to intimidate though.

    If I ask for a reason, am given none, then the garda would obviously be making one up the second time.

    Yes that is certainly something you can mention in court afterwards. It probably won't stop the Garda arresting you though. What makes you think Gardaí pick out random people on the street to intimidate them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    k_mac wrote: »
    Yes that is certainly something you can mention in court afterwards. It probably won't stop the Garda arresting you though. What makes you think Gardaí pick out random people on the street to intimidate them?
    Its not beyond the realms of possibility that a garda would do such is it?

    Basically I don't want to be handing out my personal details for no reason. I was just thinking about the times I was asked for my name, I just gave it without any thought, and was curious as to whether I actually had to, I'm not having a go at Gards here, I know you are one.

    Heres a situation, You witness a fight, a Garda shows up, breaks it up and asks you the passerby for your name. That happened me, I gave it, but I was a bit wary in doing so, I didnt want to be involved at all. If I said no, would I have been arrested?



    Are we basically boiling down to you saying that a Garda will never ask for a name without a legal reason?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭manta356


    Haddockman wrote: »
    In all honesty the Garda was probably investigating a complaint of littering.

    The placing of leaflets on Cars etc is now an offence under the littering laws.Would it be possible that handing out leaflets come under this legislation as well.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    manta356 wrote: »
    The placing of leaflets on Cars etc is now an offence under the littering laws.Would it be possible that handing out leaflets come under this legislation as well.:confused:
    It does.


  • Posts: 653 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How is being asked your name in broad daylight in a presumably busy area intimidation in any way? It's not exactly personal information is it.. If you go into a nightclub you hand the bouncer your ID and he has your full name. What could anyone possibly do with your name to harm you? It's not intimidation by the Guard, it is your own prejudiced view of the Gardai that you are projecting on the situation.

    Why do you think would a Garda care who you are or what your name was if he was not conducting some part of his job?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    How is being asked your name in broad daylight in a presumably busy area intimidation in any way? It's not exactly personal information is it.. If you go into a nightclub you hand the bouncer your ID and he has your full name. What could anyone possibly do with your name to harm you? It's not intimidation by the Guard, it is your own prejudiced view of the Gardai that you are projecting on the situation.

    Why do you think would a Garda care who you are or what your name was if he was not conducting some part of his job?
    I personally found it quite intimidating having a garda ask my name and address and scribbling it down in his little book, maybe thats just me. I reject your allegation that I am prejudiced towards gardaí, I am not, in fact my experiences with AGS have all been grand. I was simply curious as to the legality of them expecting me, or anyone else, to supply my name and address.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭source


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Its not beyond the realms of possibility that a garda would do such is it?

    Basically I don't want to be handing out my personal details for no reason. I was just thinking about the times I was asked for my name, I just gave it without any thought, and was curious as to whether I actually had to, I'm not having a go at Gards here, I know you are one.

    Heres a situation, You witness a fight, a Garda shows up, breaks it up and asks you the passerby for your name. That happened me, I gave it, but I was a bit wary in doing so, I didnt want to be involved at all. If I said no, would I have been arrested?



    Are we basically boiling down to you saying that a Garda will never ask for a name without a legal reason?

    In this case, no you wouldn't be arrested. You were witness to an incident, it is the Garda's duty to get the details of anybody who would be able to provide evidence in a situation like this. You can in this instance, if you wish, refuse to give details and say you don't want any part in it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭detective


    I dont even know why people are bothering giving the OP replies in this case. The OP has given a very vague scenario which needs to be clarified before anyone can answer him/her. Why didn't the OP say "can a Guard ask your name if you're walking down the street" rather than mentioning leaflets specifically.

    Jesus I'd love to know how hypothetical the situation actually is and what the contents of the leaflets was if it in fact it isn't hypothetical at all. In this case an enormous amount would depend on the content of same.


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