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Violent Riots in England - Sky News now

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    #182
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    DB10 wrote: »
    The English man that hates Ireland finally speaks up, despite his pathetic digs at sf and other parties.

    I'd ****ing laugh in your face son, if I ever see Pompey liquidated...

    Banned


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    #183
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    I think this is awesome and I hope it comes to Ireland.
    You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?
    If they make the rules such that they own everything and the ordinary people deserve and own nothing then of course they can call it "looting" and "vandalism". Why not make our own rules where instead WE own everything and all of these things rightfully belong to us? Then THEY are the criminals.

    What we need is a good old-fashioned revolution. Unfortunately it won't happen in Ireland because of all the submissive idiots, but maybe in the UK it will.
    At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.


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    #184
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    There are still over 1000 people on the bridge, cops not letting medical help in to them, lots of people on the ground. Cops won't let people leave without agreeing to letting them take a photo and a statement.

    Absolute disgrace.


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    #185
    SuperInfinity
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Dudess wrote: »
    You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?

    It's not one individual, it's a group consciousness. Irish people had a wonderful opportunity to take to the streets proper and riot, and reject the IMF deal and the budget and reclaim our sovereignity. And we could get behind all the people who opposed it. There are protests recently about the welfare being cut and so on, but they're a bit fragmented and what they're opposing isn't as significant. Maybe it was good though to give people confidence to go out and protest like that andfor the next protests they'll be stronger.
    Dudess wrote: »
    At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.

    I'm NOT talking about people who disagree with having a revolution there, I'm talking about the people who will do ANYTHING an authority tells them and would NEVER refuse them or stand up for what was right. You know, the type of people who if the government said tomorrow they were to be their new slaves would say: "oh begor that's terrible... right so, when do I begin?".... there are a lot of those people in Ireland.


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    #186
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Banned

    :eek: nEVER SEEn someone banned before,, oh ive lived a sheltered exsistance.


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    #187
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    It's not one individual, it's a group consciousness. Irish people had a wonderful opportunity to take to the streets proper and riot, and reject the IMF deal and the budget and reclaim our sovereignity. And we could get behind all the people who opposed it. There are protests recently about the welfare being cut and so on, but they're a bit fragmented and what they're opposing isn't as significant. Maybe it was good though to give people confidence to go out and protest like that andfor the next protests they'll be stronger.



    I'm NOT talking about people who disagree with having a revolution there, I'm talking about the people who will do ANYTHING an authority tells them and would NEVER refuse them or stand up for what was right. You know, the type of people who if the government said tomorrow they were to be their new slaves would say: "oh begor that's terrible... right so, when do I begin?".... there are a lot of those people in Ireland.
    What has stopped you from starting the revolution?


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    #188
    LeixlipRed
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    Dudess wrote: »
    You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?

    At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.

    How do you know if anyone on the internet isn't partaking in building a revolutionary movement away from the internet? The assumption that it's all talk is contradicted by the 5,000 or some people who turned out to protest on budget day in the capital. Most of these people belonged to or broadly support far left parties.


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    #189
    Wolfe Tone
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    Dudess wrote: »
    What has stopped you from starting the revolution?
    The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon.


    Its a long way off.


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    #190
    Fratton Fred
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon.


    Its a long way off.

    Freedom from what?

    There's a lot of cutbacks, high unemployment etc. But people are starting to make the place sound like its Zimbabwe or something.


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    #191
    Mister men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Freedom from what?

    There's a lot of cutbacks, high unemployment etc. But people are starting to make the place sound like its Zimbabwe or something.
    Actually our debt is worse.


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    #192
    FlutterinBantam
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    :D

    The truth hurts eh?

    The truth always hurts to some people FF.

    People who actually contribute and are productive will always be treated badly around these parts.

    Hold your head up;)


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    #193
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Mister men wrote: »
    Actually our debt is worse.

    Worse or higher? I haven't experienced hyper inflation, food shortages, forced labour, massive levels of crime etc.

    This country doesn't need a revolution, it needs an election, then the people will speak.


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    #194
    Mister men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Worse or higher? I haven't experienced hyper inflation, food shortages, forced labour, massive levels of crime etc.

    This country doesn't need a revolution, it needs an election, then the people will speak.
    Like i said worse.


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    #195
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Mister men wrote: »
    Like i said worse.

    I think that is a bit dramatic. This country will never see the levels of poverty and corruption seen in many countries.


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    #196
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    steve9859 wrote: »
    You charge the police with a mask on you should get shot, not just tapped with a baton!

    Fcuk, Sieg Heil to you too.


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    #197
    steve9859
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Fcuk, Sieg Heil to you too.

    with a plastic bullet, not shot dead!! Thought the police response was pretty proportionate. They werent students in the balaclarvas - just anarchists who set out to fight and injure cops


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    #198
    sensibleken
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    They should have brought in the paras* then they would have been all like peeow peeow bang peeow eeeeeeeeee---boom!

    that would be cool!

    *troopers not olympians


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    #199
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Having watched the footage, I think the police response was extremely tame. You have a massive crowd surging at a line held by tiny numbers of police, throwing missiles and acting violently. I'd be ****ing terrified, and I certainly think the use of plastic baton rounds would have been in order before it even developed to that point. The talk of revolution here and how violence is now the answer would have been ridiculed, and rightly so, two or three weeks ago. People are now feeling the suffering coming and suddenly it seems appropriate, because they're afraid. It's going to take much bigger people to just work through this.


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    #200
    steve9859
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    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    Having watched the footage, I think the police response was extremely tame. You have a massive crowd surging at a line held by tiny numbers of police, throwing missiles and acting violently. I'd be ****ing terrified, and I certainly think the use of plastic baton rounds would have been in order before it even developed to that point. The talk of revolution here and how violence is now the answer would have been ridiculed, and rightly so, two or three weeks ago. People are now feeling the suffering coming and suddenly it seems appropriate, because they're afraid. It's going to take much bigger people to just work through this.


    they should have been much more proactive in going in and dragging off the protestors on the walls of the treasury building. But i guess they risked getting isolated. I saw one policeman get stuck on his own and beaten pretty bad until his mates came and rescued him. I guess its probably best to let them tire them selves out by breaking through bomb proof windows.

    They showed a cracking fight on Sky though. At one point there were 20 or 30 of the riot police backed up in a half circle against the wall, crouched down with their shields over their heads like the Spartans in 300.

    The protestors actually charged them! Big mistake!! The riot police responded really agrressively. Id say some of the protestors were hurt pretty bad - their own bloody fault! Havent seen fighting like that since the miners!


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    #201
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I think plastic bullets only get called on if there is a serious risk to life, like petrol bombs etc and it never got anywhere near that.


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    #202
    It wasn't me!
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I think plastic bullets only get called on if there is a serious risk to life, like petrol bombs etc and it never got anywhere near that.

    There have been flares thrown in an attempt to burn the police, and a crowd that size, opposed by such a small number, with that degree of aggression? There's no peace there. That in and of itself represents a serious threat


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    #203
    Lirange
    Registered Users Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭Lirange


    SuperInfinity wrote: »

    What we need is a good old-fashioned revolution. Unfortunately it won't happen in Ireland because of all the submissive idiots, but maybe in the UK it will.

    You say you want a revolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it's evolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out


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    #204
    Cantona's Collars
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    Watched the 'highlights' last night for want of a better word-Fair play to protesting but Anarchists seem to hijack protests at every opportunity and cause mayhem,this causes a ripple effect and seemingly mild mannered people get caught up in it and join the violence.Saw one guy getting a good kicking at the top of Oxford Street as he decided to stand alone and throw punches at a cop.
    The school kids protested the other day and handed in a petition to Downing Street,no violence-very hard for Anarchists and scumbags to blend in with 14 and 15 year olds.They want to fight the system one day and claim benefits the next.Strange way of thinking.


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    #205
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    Lirange wrote: »
    You say you want a revolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it's evolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    In.


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    #206
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    If you want to know how the hard left works, pay attention to this.

    The hard left is playing straight from the communist/marxist/whatever-ist bible, which says that the "enlightened" need to lead the "normal people" into a glorious socialist paradise. What happens then is you sign over the deeds to your house and so on and it gets redistributed according to need, unfortunately no effort along these lines has ever really gotten past the handing over of the keys part for some reason.

    The reality is that the brainwashed cultists incorporate themselves into any cause going, the greens, student protests, whatever, (this is known as entryism) and try to "radicalise" the members. This means stirring up conflict between these groups and the authorities and knocking people off balance, which makes them ripe for indoctrination. Cults like the Scientologists use the same technique, create a problem then offer to fix it for cash. They target the weak and disenfranchised.

    The real kicker is that they will almost certainly never achieve their goals, and those in charge know that. The point is that you get to pay a tithe, literally a tenth of all income, to these groups, and once you start paying that you'll start defending them yourself in case you look like a fool. And on the twisted cycle goes.

    At the end of the day, its all about the money. Really, their one and only goal is to indoctrinate more members and hence get more money.


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    #207
    Krusader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    Lirange wrote: »
    You say you want a revolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it's evolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    You know it's gonna be,
    Alriight
    You know it's gonna be,
    Alriight
    You know it's gonna be,
    Alriight

    Whoooahh, *guitar solo*


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    #208
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    ..They didn't have a hope in hell of getting into power so they could make promises that were completely unsustainable, a bit like Sinn Fein do.

    The people will decide who has a 'hope in hell' of getting elected, or should we stick with the 'incompetents' who landed us in this then? I'll judge a party based on their performance in government, I admire your soothsaying abilities, the ability to discount what has never happened before. ' Oh Sinn Fein is the Bogeyman is it? They certainly wouldn't have bent over and allowed the rape of this nation by the IMF/EU.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    The problem comes in when you get into power and are expected to keep your promises....

    It's called political reality, I'd much rather the oppositions version of it than the version that was thrust upon us. I suspect they won't make the amazing promises that our current government made. Here's the greatest one of all which everyone overlooks. Vote 'Yes to Lisbon' - it's good for business, good for jobs and will shorten the oncoming recession. Wow! That one is hard to beat, that was the mother of all promises.

    Sinn Fein's assessment and warning about this, has proved to be absolutely correct. I never gave Sinn Fein much thought before now, but then I came home from work on budget day and saw Pearse Doherty deliver his speech. This is the new type of fresh face Irish politics need, he put the dinosaurs to shame.


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    #209
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    It's called being in opposition. They ate there to put pressure on the government, the less mainstream the more radical the ideas.

    This isn't about sinn fein, its about the lib dems, but they are a good comparison. A hard core of supporters and the chance of picking up votes from the malcontents, but zero chance of anything more than being part of a coalition government.


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    #210
    Nodin
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's called being in opposition. They ate there to put pressure on the government, the less mainstream the more radical the ideas.

    This isn't about sinn fein, ...........

    ...then why did you bring them up...?


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    #211
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...then why did you bring them up...?

    As an analogy.


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