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Despite the ambitions of some muppets in FF, we largely have a classless society. There is nothing to stop anyone enriching or impoverishing themselves should they wish to do so, and have the ability to do so. Whatever imbalances have arisen will be ironed out before too long. If you want to see a real class-based society go to India.LeixlipRed wrote: »Haha, last resort? As in never you mean
I should add that working to provide for your fellow working class person doesn't take years to deliver. You either do it or you don't. We don't want to spend 5 years gradually levelling out inequalities. We want to eliminate them competely. That's the aim of a classless society.
Mostly people who like talking about class in Ireland are those trying to incite a feeling of entitlement among people. But thats a rabbit hole we won't go down here. Instead, can you tell me how the SWP would sweep clear all inequality in a matter of weeks if not days?
If you have no idea what you're talking about, why do you think what I said was wrong? A hunch?How the hell would I when I have absolutely no connection whatsoever to the party?
I sure do. We've turned down several kind offers of donations over the last six months since its not right to be taking people's money until the thing is fully registered. I know that would help it get registered, but the feeling is the ideas and the word will speak for themselves.You no doubt have similar information available about your own party?
Now, my fine fellows, lets be having it. "MUSSOLINI", what's your real name, face and phone number, yourself and "LeixlipRed". I feel at something of a disadvantage at the moment. Come along, you've nothing to be shy about surely, I'm no adonis by comparison to anything.0 -
Who is paying for all these demonstrations and newspapers then?LeixlipRed wrote: »The last two years published, 08 and 07 have no recorded donations for the SWP.
Quite mysterious. 0 -
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Amhran Nua wrote: »Who is paying for all these demonstrations and newspapers then? Quite mysterious.
I just answered that! What does a demo cost? Poster, leaflets, flags. I just referred to those in my previous postings.
As for your comments on classless society, I almost wet myself
Which class of people are paying for another class of people's mistakes right now? FF, their cronies, FG, property developers, bankers, they all control the means of production of this state. I don't. That is what separates me and you from them. They need us but thankfully we don't need them 
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It is quite clear that you were attempting to defame and discredit the party. Also, I have few acquaintances who are members. But mostly it was the fact that you had nothing to back up your claims. Dirty politics.
SWP have a very well known reputation and what the poster said is nothing different to that well known and well published reputation. It may not be fair to tar all members of the SWP with the same brush, but you could argue the same for FF. Not every FF is a corrupt gombeen, but they do have the reputation and party members know that. The same goes for people in any party, so why would SWP be any different?
Is it dirty politics? Yes.
Is it wise for someone defending the SWP to try take the moral high road and condemn dirty politics? No. It is hilarious though 0 -
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The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »SWP have a very well known reputation and what the poster said is nothing different to that well known and well published reputation. It may not be fair to tar all members of the SWP with the same brush, but you could argue the same for FF. Not every FF is a corrupt gombeen, but they do have the reputation and party members know that. The same goes for people in any party, so why would SWP be any different?
Is it dirty politics? Yes.
Is it wise for someone defending the SWP to try take the moral high road and condemn dirty politics? No. It is hilarious though
Which dirty politics do you refer to exactly? Because if you talk about taking bribes, selling our country in to slavery and all the regular corruption stuff then you're miles off. If you talk of what I think you mean which is actually doing something on the streets to bring about change then yes, we're guilty as charged. You're specific anti-swp agenda is tiresome. Did you come to a meeting once and no one liked you? It's ok, we won't judge. Boards=openness.
But know, just like the other chap, you know someone who knows someone who once went to dinner with a champagne socialist was it? I can't remember your direct quote, remind me 0 -
Amhran Nua wrote: »As for dirty politics, setting up a slew of hydra organisations because people wouldn't otherwise touch you with a bargepole is about as dirty as it gets.
You'd swear we had set up seperate political entities and then tried to pretend we didn't hang out together.
People Before Profit:
Attempt by the SWP to form a left wing grouping which includes non-revolutionary socialists and leftists in a broad umbrella to create a mass movement. Matter of public record we're a member.
Righttowork:
Is a campaign run by the SWP. Again, public record.
ULA:
Alliance of SP and PBP. Public record again.
Anyway, I'm off. I've better things to do. Like watch tv. Enjoy the gulags boys :cool:0 -
Eh you'll love this one:LeixlipRed wrote: »I just answered that! What does a demo cost? Poster, leaflets, flags. I just referred to those in my previous postings.
As for your comments on classless society, I almost wet myself Which class of people are paying for another class of people's mistakes right now? FF, their cronies, FG, property developers, bankers, they all control the means of production of this state. I don't. That is what separates me and you from them. They need us but thankfully we don't need them
So we're not in fact all that far apart on some things, probably a lot of things, there is an understanding out there of the damage being caused by entrenched concerns in Ireland. But you don't need to go all radical and "means of production" on the country to make it better. Not that the public would let you, no matter how much radicalisation is applied.# The possibility of recall referendums will be investigated.
# Legislation will be implemented to mandate that no relation to a sitting or previous public representative can run for office or be appointed to committees on the basis of that relationship. Here is a list of the family related politicians in the Dáil, including all major party political leaders. For a job as important as the leadership of the country, we need the best people, not the best connected.0 -
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LeixlipRed wrote: »Which dirty politics do you refer to exactly? Because if you talk about taking bribes, selling our country in to slavery and all the regular corruption stuff then you're miles off. If you talk of what I think you mean which is actually doing something on the streets to bring about change then yes, we're guilty as charged. You're specific anti-swp agenda is tiresome. Did you come to a meeting once and no one liked you? It's ok, we won't judge. Boards=openness.
But know, just like the other chap, you know someone who knows someone who once went to dinner with a champagne socialist was it? I can't remember your direct quote, remind me
Dirty politics can refer to many things my friend. The term is pretty broad, but in the context of this discussion, it would seem to be about parties claiming things about other parties, whether true or false. So yes, I would argue all parties claim things about other parties, true and false.
About all the other stuff you write, I would think it a bit more sensible if we stick to the thread at hand and not bring up past threads. If you wish to speak about other threads, you should resurrect them. Otherwise, it seems way off topic.
You know, I don't like many political groups in Ireland, but I thank God that I can slag FG, FF, Lab, Greens and SF on boards without members taking such a grudge. In fact, I would be quite spooked if these parties made mental notes of the posters who disagreed with them or mocked their policies, seems a bit North Korea-ish. So I am reading this Amhran Nua page, and if I decide to slag it off, I am guessing it will be okay to do so. The poster seems normal and is probably an adult so won't take personal offense.
The quote is quite a famous one, google champagne socialist and it will bring you to the quote.0 -
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I am not a supporter of the SWP.The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »SWP have a very well known reputation and what the poster said is nothing different to that well known and well published reputation. It may not be fair to tar all members of the SWP with the same brush, but you could argue the same for FF. Not every FF is a corrupt gombeen, but they do have the reputation and party members know that. The same goes for people in any party, so why would SWP be any different?
Is it dirty politics? Yes.
Is it wise for someone defending the SWP to try take the moral high road and condemn dirty politics? No. It is hilarious though
It has just confirmed that so called Amhran nua is just the same old thing again.0 -
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