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Electronic bus stop timetables

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  • #32
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Great project, can't wait until it's rolled out

    And then Cork and Limerick too.
    As for the bus service in Galway? Probably the worst of our cities, a lot of work to be done there
    murphaph wrote: »
    A decent height off the ground, but will they still be vandalised? Time will tell.

    You are right, time will tell.
    Before the luas was built, there were newspaper articles the Luas would be stoned by Fatima.
    And there were a few posts from me on boards wondering could Dublin bikes swim as they'd be in canals within a week.

    I was happy to be proven wrong, so I hope for the best :)


  • #33
    triple-M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭triple-M


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    Great project, can't wait until it's rolled out

    And then Cork and Limerick too.
    As for the bus service in Galway? Probably the worst of our cities, a lot of work to be done there



    You are right, time will tell.
    Before the luas was built, there were newspaper articles the Luas would be stoned by Fatima.
    And there were a few posts from me on boards wondering could Dublin bikes swim as they'd be in canals within a week.

    I was happy to be proven wrong, so I hope for the best :)
    love your optimism,we need plenty more of that to drag ireland out of the dark ages and to conquer our fear of modernising the country because of the chances of a bored teenager throwing stones at things:)


  • #34
    dfx-
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    I saw one of these working at Crumlin Shopping Centre last week and nearly fell over at its seemingly accurate nature. Though it did have on its screen a bus that is timetabled, but never ever ever has operated and never will (2100 ex-Dolphins Barn 56).

    So it works by the timetable and not what is actually coming up the road, but good nevertheless..

    Though it was not in operation this afternoon...


  • #35
    Jim236
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    dfx- wrote: »
    I saw one of these working at Crumlin Shopping Centre last week and nearly fell over at its seemingly accurate nature. Though it did have on its screen a bus that is timetabled, but never ever ever has operated and never will (2100 ex-Dolphins Barn 56).

    So it works by the timetable and not what is actually coming up the road, but good nevertheless..

    Though it was not in operation this afternoon...

    Surely it must be working by real information if its constantly updated?


  • #36
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    dfx- wrote: »
    I saw one of these working at Crumlin Shopping Centre last week and nearly fell over at its seemingly accurate nature. Though it did have on its screen a bus that is timetabled, but never ever ever has operated and never will (2100 ex-Dolphins Barn 56).

    So it works by the timetable and not what is actually coming up the road, but good nevertheless..

    Though it was not in operation this afternoon...

    It is based on the GPS and is real time - not the timetable.

    However, where buses have not departed the terminus it is obviously the scheduled time that will appear.


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  • #37
    dfx-
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    But there is no bus at the terminus for that departure, it does not operate, there is no bus to read the GPS from - it should not be on it. If you read the screen and it said it was due, you'd be waiting a very long time for it to appear..

    The 2030 56A leaving the city was separate on the screen and it is the only bus operating the 56/A outbound for the rest of the night.


  • #38
    KC61
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    dfx- wrote: »
    But there is no bus at the terminus for that departure, it does not operate, there is no bus to read the GPS from - it should not be on it. If you read the screen and it said it was due, you'd be waiting a very long time for it to appear..

    The 2030 56A leaving the city was separate on the screen and it is the only bus operating the 56/A outbound for the rest of the night.

    Read what I said.

    It reads the GPS from buses on the move. After that it will show buses that are scheduled to operate.

    To explain this - just assume that the 2100 56 does operate.

    In this example if you are standing at Crumlin Road at 2050, it will show the next buses that are moving coming towards that stop, be they 50, 77, 77a, etc. in real time. It will also show the 2100 56 as it would be due to pass within the following few minutes per the schedule with the terminus only being a short distance down the road. It obviously cannot be in real time as the bus would not have moved from the terminus, but would be as per the schedule. Once it starts moving the scheduled time would drop out and be replaced by a real time estimate.

    Does that make it any clearer as to how the system operates?

    Now the real issue that you have raised here is that this bus is in the schedule despite never operating. Why? The information on the screen is only as good as that which is provided to it. Obviously the schedule is wrong.


  • #39
    BrianD
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    Any of these displays installed on O'Connelle St. and the Quays yet? I say one, I'm sure, on Westomoreland St.


  • #40
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    BrianD wrote: »
    Any of these displays installed on O'Connelle St. and the Quays yet? I say one, I'm sure, on Westomoreland St.

    Again as I've said several times Brian the AVLC has yet to be rolled out in Phibsboro and Donnybrook.

    So RTPI will only work for a limited number of routes on O'Connell Street at present, namely the 1, 2, 3, 13, 13a, 16, 16a, 123 and 747.

    Not much point putting displays in until the rest of the garages are up and running, which is due to happen by Q1 2011.


  • #41
    dfx-
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Does that make it any clearer as to how the system operates?

    Now the real issue that you have raised here is that this bus is in the schedule despite never operating. Why? The information on the screen is only as good as that which is provided to it. Obviously the schedule is wrong.

    I read what you said.

    My original point was it shows a bus that never operates. Whether it tracks it by post or GPS or someone reading a map on the surface of the moon, it is showing information that is wrong. It can only do this by either operating blindly by schedule or timetable and then tracks the buses. So when it reads that 56 bus as appearing in 2 minutes, it is wrong - it is giving the wrong information. Why is it working off information that is wrong is the question..

    So when it says a 77 is appearing in 14 minutes, then counts down to 8 minutes...who knows whether that bus ever left Ringsend Garage. It is no indication that that bus will be there in 8 minutes, despite time ticking down.


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  • #42
    KC61
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    dfx- wrote: »
    I read what you said.

    My original point was it shows a bus that never operates. Whether it tracks it by post or GPS or someone reading a map on the surface of the moon, it is showing information that is wrong. It can only do this by either operating blindly by schedule or timetable and then tracks the buses. So when it reads that 56 bus as appearing in 2 minutes, it is wrong - it is giving the wrong information. Why is it working off information that is wrong is the question..

    So when it says a 77 is appearing in 14 minutes, then counts down to 8 minutes...who knows whether that bus ever left Ringsend Garage. It is no indication that that bus will be there in 8 minutes, despite time ticking down.

    The problem with that 56 is that it is in the timetable and should not be. That is the only error.

    Your example only works in the way you suggest when the display is a few stops away from the terminus - when it is in the middle of the route as is the case for all routes other than the 56 it would be live realtime information. The 56 would only become live when it starts moving.

    So you are incorrect regarding the other routes and their times - they are live.


  • #43
    dfx-
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    So...if a timetabled 77 doesn't leave Ringsend, it would show up on the screen. Would the display continually show 77 - 20 minutes? At what point does it give up and remove it from the screen..

    It's all a bit of theoretical debate given it's not working at the moment :)


  • #44
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    dfx- wrote: »
    So...if a timetabled 77 doesn't leave Ringsend, it would show up on the screen. Would the display continually show 77 - 20 minutes? At what point does it give up and remove it from the screen..

    It's all a bit of theoretical debate given it's not working at the moment :)

    The exact point at which it is removed if a bus does not operate I don't know, but given the displays only show 5 buses it is unlikely that any "scheduled" arrival times would appear at all at Crumlin other than the 56 because there would be more than 5 buses en route at any stage given the distance from Ringsend!

    We're nit picking somewhat here - the system does work on a realtime basis.

    The real issue that you have identified is why is that 2100 route 56 departure in the timetable at all.


  • #45
    D'Peoples Voice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    irishdub14 wrote: »
    Screens at Donnycarney Church are working from today:

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    Credit where credit is due to Dublin Bus, I'm usually the first to criticize them, but not in this case.
    That said, I was happier when they moved from the difficult-to-see blue bus stop poles to the more visual yellow bus stop poles, however grotesque they looked, they were safer for the visually impaired, just like on the luas.

    Can we assume that the grey/silver pole in the picture is only part of the trial,
    and they're not going to be rolling out this colour pole on a city wide basis.

    Then again, DCC have never cared about the visually impaired with their posts, so I guess why should Dublin Bus.:rolleyes:

    Hell they look nice, so I'm happy - and for others there is always Optilase:D


  • #46
    Telchak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Telchak


    D'Peoples Voice wrote: »
    and for others there is always Optilase:D

    Was it intentional, or did you miss the Specsavers ad on the side of the bus? :p


  • #47
    L1011
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    D'Peoples Voice wrote: »
    Credit where credit is due to Dublin Bus,

    the Council owns the signs, not DB.


  • #48
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    MYOB wrote: »
    the Council owns the signs, not DB.

    All of the underlying work behind these signs was done by Dublin Bus - the scheduling, GPS equipment etc.

    All DCC are doing is managing the installation of the signs.


  • #49
    oharach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭oharach


    Telchak wrote: »
    Was it intentional, or did you miss the Specsavers ad on the side of the bus? :p

    Seems like he might not be the first to miss the Specsavers ad :D

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  • #50
    Jayuu
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    oharach wrote: »
    Seems like he might not be the first to miss the Specsavers ad :D

    29663_433422735476_560875476_5661395_6854786_n.jpg
    photo.php?pid=5661395&l=3a1d2e254b&id=560875476

    Its a funny picture but it's not real. It's Photoshopped! I remember seeing this when it first happened.


  • #51
    oharach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭oharach


    Jayuu wrote: »
    Its a funny picture but it's not real. It's Photoshopped! I remember seeing this when it first happened.

    Knew it was too good to be true!


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  • #52
    diceyreilly
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    It was a Thomas Cook ad, you can see it on the window in the LUAS


  • #53
    Jayuu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    The rollout of the screens continues. The display unit is now up at my local stop on the Malahide Road and I've seen a few more of them on the way into town. Some of the locations seem a little strange to me but I haven't done a complete examination of where they are to completely justify this statement.

    They're still not active (even the trial one in Donneycarney hasn't been turned on for a while now) and I couldn't find anything about them on the Dublin Bus website but I assume it will be active in the next few weeks.


  • #54
    BrianD
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    The placements do seem a little random. Is there a rationale to the locations? For example, there's one outside the Garda Club on Harrington St. but none on the opposite side.


  • #55
    L1011
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    Installed along the Crumlin Road from what I could see today.


  • #56
    BrianD
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    It would be useful if the council, DB or private parties were allowed create mobile apps that can simulate the RTPI displays at stops that are not equipped with a physical display.

    Also, I can understand that the displays are separate to bus shelters as these aren't owned by the council. It would be a good idea for the council to insist on bus operators to share bus stop signs. In some places you can the "bus stops" of three operators erected on the pavement. Unnecessary clutter.


  • #57
    LeinsterDub
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    BrianD wrote: »
    It would be useful if the council, DB or private parties were allowed create mobile apps that can simulate the RTPI displays at stops that are not equipped with a physical display.
    clutter.

    Apps ,SMS are in the pipeline


  • #58
    BrianD
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Apps ,SMS are in the pipeline

    Who's doing them?

    I know somebody who was interested in doing this. when he contacted the council he was told that there would be a tendering process involved.


  • #59
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    BrianD wrote: »
    The placements do seem a little random. Is there a rationale to the locations? For example, there's one outside the Garda Club on Harrington St. but none on the opposite side.

    They are being installed at stops that are busy from a loading perspective.

    To be fair the inbound stop on Harrington Street is busier from a set down perspective, while the outbound stop has heavier numbers boarding rather than setting down.


  • #60
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    BrianD wrote: »
    I know somebody who was interested in doing this. when he contacted the council he was told that there would be a tendering process involved.

    :mad: They couldn't just create an open and free web service and leave anyone who wanted to create the apps.

    I'm sure many CS students would have jumped at creating apps for this service.


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  • #61
    Tech3
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    BrianD wrote: »
    It would be useful if the council, DB or private parties were allowed create mobile apps that can simulate the RTPI displays at stops that are not equipped with a physical display.

    Absolutely and will update the times depending on your location(GPS). Also it could show the distance and directions to that given bus stop.


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