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  • 20-10-2010 03:59PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭


    The SU paper looks really well!

    Not entirely in agreement with PrivateEye's article but I was never going to be :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Don't get anything there. It's a stinky kip.
    Don't forget cold. The entire ground floor of JH is freezing with all the doors always open.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    The SU paper looks really well!

    Not entirely in agreement with PrivateEye's article but I was never going to be :P
    Where can I get it? How much is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭squishykins


    Oooooh is the paper out? Where can I gets it??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Ms. Koi


    Daemos wrote: »
    Don't forget cold. The entire ground floor of JH is freezing with all the doors always open.

    Where can I get it? How much is it?

    all over arts block for definite, if not in the su itself.
    ITS FREE!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Damn, so much for my plan of camping in the library for the rest of the day so :p Unless I find a copy here too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,582 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Love the fact the paper gets dropped in to the Iontas Building, love the look of it too so a big thumbs up. The leading article is poor though.

    The delicious irony of it is rather disappointing. The SU know by word of mouth of several attacks yet ask people not to spread unsubstantiated rumours because there are no Garda statements. The bits about that, including the whole last paragraph could have been left out. The mention of a rape with no qualifiers makes it seems like drag-into-an-alley type attack which is frightening as f*ck, but an attempted rape can also happen at a party when a girl is drunk off her ass and a lad thinks he's getting the go ahead. One is clearly more sinister and worrying, one less so (both are wrong, obviously).

    Also not fond of the digs yer man got in on the Gardai. I'm not a Garda, and I do think Maynooth needs a full-time post but to essentially say if they bothered to look they'd find something is just bullsh*t. He didn't get faces, he was on Parson street which you'd swear is O'Connell street by him saying "It's hard to miss a fight". I spent 5 years in Maynooth, many nights I walked home on Parson Street and over Bond Bridge with not a soul to be seen. There were no cameras and no motives. Where does he think they should start investigating? Door to door enquiries, maybe shake down the local scumbags and get a name? This isn't the USA :confused:

    The verbatim quotes including the word "like" were a bad idea, they can be left out. When I speak I tend to look for acknowledgement by popping in a "yeah?" every now and then. It's a habit, it adds nothing to the quote therefore I wouldn't expect when I give a quote for it to contain my yeah?'s.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Yeh, it's excellent but the leading article is ****e as TouchingVirus pointed out. Used to teach Gavin though so shocked to see he was beaten up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,582 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Absolutely, he has my sympathy. Nobody deserves to be set upon by a group of lads. A friend of mine was attacked randomly like him just over a year ago on the Rathcoffey road but he only got a few punches and a bloody nose. It's digraceful to be honest.

    A few other mistakes - the bit about the 'riot' on Main street was included twice. Once by Schmick and once by Rob. Pick an article and stick with it, no need to repeat yourself especially since Rob was going on about how they were stuck for space for other articles :o

    Speaking of repeating, an entire question was repeated in the article on Taxi drivers too. :o

    And I'm not just picking up on the negatives, the poor lighting map is an excellent idea, the mix of culture with local news and student news is the best I've ever seen from the SU too. So there are positives, but more work needs to be done :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Re: the front article. We have a bit more detail now, and we don't have permission to talk about some of the other incidents - and I'm not going to publish something against a student's will for the sake of shifting a few papers.

    I can tell you now though that this day last week a student went into Mizzoni's to order a pizza and, while waiting for it to be ready, went to take a whizz down a side lane. Two lads set upon him, stole nothing, and he's now hospitalised undergoing facial reconstruction. So you can see how if that was you and I put it in the paper against your wishes you'd be pretty pissed off. (We have since gotten permission for that story, in fact the family want it spread around massively).

    The attacks are numerous and pretty serious. The Gardaí themselves in the town are great but we need more - Kildare has the lowest Garda per person ratio in the country by quite a margin (don't have the exact figures in front of me now, I'll post them if anyone wants them though) and Maynooth again seems to be substantially low.

    This is also my fifth year in Maynooth and, in terms of number and frequency of attacks, this is a new beast. We're not used to this in Maynooth.

    Personally, and this is just me, I think that there is a serious need for an increased nighttime Garda presence in Maynooth. Oh, and we'll actually be following up on what we said on pp20-21. This is day 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Speaking of repeating, an entire question was repeated in the article on Taxi drivers too. :o

    Bah! /slaps forehaed.

    Entirely my bad.

    Oh, and thanks for the nice comments in general. Now we know exactly how it looks on paper, and we know what printing margins we have and the type of paper and certain tints and other nerdy stuff we can give the next issue a lot more personality and style.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Only a quick glance through it today but it looked good, well structured layout and mix of articles. Will give it a more thorough read through tomorrow but so far so good. The only fault I saw was that Caoimhin (Cultural Officer) was labelled as Pat Byrne.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    I'm unsure how beneficial it is to specifically highlight areas of the campus that are low security. That's just asking for trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Yup, there's a few things like that. (And, make no mistake, they make me crazy...) but hopefully for the next issue there'll be none. Now that we don't have to build it while we're writing it we can focus way more on content. The goal for the next issue is 0 mistakes - including spelling mistakes.

    Those borders on p9 also aren't supposed to be there. And, for the record, the march is on Nov 3rd, not "Novth".

    But all these mistakes are purely my own in the process of assembling it - the writers themselves all did a great job. (as for the repeated article in the SU "condemns piece"... I didn't think anyone would actually read it)

    But we're at 43K words in this issue and growing. Anyone wants to join the team drop me an email at communications@nuimsu.com


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    mp3guy wrote: »
    I'm unsure how beneficial it is to specifically highlight areas of the campus that are low security. That's just asking for trouble.

    Potential rapist in ability to read paper shocker is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    mp3guy wrote: »
    I'm unsure how beneficial it is to specifically highlight areas of the campus that are low security. That's just asking for trouble.

    Not at all. It's a way of pointing out to the university authorities that things need improving.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Not at all. It's a way of pointing out to the university authorities that things need improving.

    Exactly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Not pointing out danger spots would be way worse, would be failing to protect students. I know it has been difficult for the SU to get across how serious these attacks and how everyone has to be aware, but from a glance at the paper they have gone about warning people in the right way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Not at all. It's a way of pointing out to the university authorities that things need improving.

    It can be argued both ways. It's currently an asset to any "criminal" who sees it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    How many criminals read the Print? How many criminals just ask around and find out these things anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    How many criminals read the Print? How many criminals just ask around and find out these things anyway?

    Criminals is a loosely defined term. You can't tell me that a big map of the hot spots (or dark spots in this case) isn't "useful" for certain illegal activities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    No, it's extremely useful. I'm on my way out now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    I agree that it could be used by any thug to their advantage. However: I believe that making these flaws as public and open as possible puts the university in a position where they have to improve them if they're serious about providing a safe campus. All these problems are fixable - you'll notice that all the comments are along the line of no camera, bad lighting, etc. We've highlighted the places that can be improved, and quickly. Security black spots that are locked to infrastructure (I.e. the field) and cant really be fixed are not highlighted.

    We did it with the help of some security staff who obviously wish to remain anonymous - they take their job and the safety of students incredibly seriously and they, more than most people, want to see these issues fixed. Great guys.

    Also open to ideas for next issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭seriousfizz


    So will The Print be floating about the place? Or do I have to hunt someone down to get a copy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭funky penguin


    Think this deserves it's own thread for various discussions.

    Well done Rob and co. The improvement over last year is great.

    Oh, and thanks for the photo you used.......bastard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Music nerd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Also, Keith Broni and Conor O Brien and Aileen Donegan deserve some serious kudos.

    Serious kudos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    Found it yesterday evening. The paper looks great. A good read through too. Miles better than that other yoke. Congratulations to all involved. Very impressed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Thwip!


    rob any chance there'll be a copy available when i get up the nooth this sunday? wanna keep up to date with the college during the year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Funny to think we get this great paper for free, when you have to pay to read cr4p like the Daily Mail :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    Took a quick look at the paper this morning when I saw it lying on our couch, it looks great! However, I think it'd look a bit better if there were borders at the top of the page, under where it says "News" etc.... Although that's probably just me being pedantic and stuff :o

    Well done to everyone who had a hand in making it though, hopefully it'll prove it to the haterz :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Yeah, we weren't sure how our margins were gonna turn out I.e if we went too close to the side of the page the printer might have just cut loads out. But now we know exactly what space we have and, not having to be so careful, can really give it some personality :)


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