Is Simon Cowell the cancer of the music industry

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 7:56pm #1

I see bands in town,

in festivals like Knockenstocken ,

and so on and so on. Up and coming people who have devoted there life to music .

I went to Carlos Santana last week . Setting a standard of top class musicianship . Every member of the band picked from the best of the best.

The band only 2/3 fills the O2.

yet if JLS play. full house. Bunch of ijets who have no idea.

Whats wrong.... Its driving me nuts

Superbus · 03-10-2010 7:58pm

What we need is more of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkU-Qf_3N0

4zn76tysfajdxp · 03-10-2010 8:00pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

I see bands in town,

Which one?

Guided By Voices · 03-10-2010 8:00pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

I see bands in town,

in festivals like Knockenstocken ,

and so on and so on. Up and coming people who have devoted there life to music .

I went to Carlos Santana last week . Setting a standard of top class musicianship . Every member of the band picked from the best of the best.

The band only 2/3 fills the O2.

yet if JLS play. full house. Bunch of ijets who have no idea.

Whats wrong.... Its driving me nuts

I believe the problem may subside if you take that steering wheel out of your pants.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:00pm

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at!

You're saying that good bands, in your opinion, play to small crowds. But Cowell's crews play to massive crowds?

I see your point, but shouldn't your thread be titled "Is Simon Cowell a business genius?"

And the answer would be yes!

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 03-10-2010 8:00pm

It's a buyers market, Cowell wouldn't be there if people didnt like whatever stuff he puts out
May not be to your taste but that's life

My name is URL · 03-10-2010 8:00pm

Simon Cowell is a fcuking genius.. I can't stand the X-Factor etc, but he sure does know how to milk the lack of taste that most people seem to have these days

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:01pm

Tucker Shy Azimuth wrote: »

Which one?

Most bands with the M CD banner over them. I work at them.

I have a list as long as my arm.

fruvai · 03-10-2010 8:02pm

People are idiots - Mystery solved

Herb Powell · 03-10-2010 8:04pm

the music industry is a cancer to itself

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:04pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at!

You're saying that good bands, in your opinion, play to small crowds. But Cowell's crews play to massive crowds?

I see your point, but shouldn't your thread be titled "Is Simon Cowell a business genius?"

And the answer would be yes!

but its not the the tittle. I cant see how his presents benefits real bands.

Take a look at the top ten compared to 15 years ago.

where has the guitar bands gone.

Its turned into a big pile of ****e...

Gunsfortoys · 03-10-2010 8:05pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Simon Cowell is a fcuking genius.. I can't stand the X-Factor etc, but he sure does know how to milk the lack of taste that most people seem to have these days

I agree. He is a very successful entrepreneur. I have a lot of respect for him but can't stand the music he dishes out, he has broke into one of the most difficult markets and very successfully.

As a music lover yes he has ruined the industry, noone seems to try anymore just a load of the same **** every year.

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2010 8:06pm

blaming simon cowell for the contemporary music industry is incredibly stupid.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:06pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

but its not the the tittle. I cant see how his presents benefits real bands.

Take a look at the top ten compared to 15 years ago.

where has the guitar bands gone.

Its turned into a big pile of ****e...

this is just your opinion.

You like a particular style of music, others like other styles. It just so happens that the vast majority of people like manufactured pop music and buy it.

Cowell knows this and feeds it to them. The man is a genius.

Stop worrying about it and get on the train. You can't beat a good pop song. Haven't you heard Hot & Cold by Katy Perry? What a tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lkaf9PdlNM

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:10pm

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

blaming simon cowell for the contemporary music industry is incredibly stupid.

thats gone a bit far.

I believe
Stock Aitken Waterman where just as bad.

I am not stupid. Please do not refer to me as such.;)

GLaDOS · 03-10-2010 8:11pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

tYou can't beat a good pop song.

Yes, you can.

PeterIanStaker · 03-10-2010 8:12pm

There's always gonna be good music and sh!te music. Cowell's brand will always sell to the masses and its nearly a fact of life.

But, ignore him as you would a charity mugger, put some AC/DC on your headphones, and rock the fuck out.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:13pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Yes, you can.

:rolleyes:

My point was, pop music can be great!

I used to be of the same mindset as the OP. But whats the point?

There are people who will deny the love of a great pop song just because of who sings it. They will reserve judgement until they know who the song is by.

Ridiculous behavious IMO!

A Primal Nut · 03-10-2010 8:15pm

Its the insane amount of publicity and airplay his "artists" get. Even if you hate this kind of music you will still hear the most popular songs many times a day just by walking into shops or other public places. Music DJ's play music that teenage girls want to listen to and nothing else. Presumably most radio listeners are teenage girls; the only possible explanation.

Its different in America; even mainstream DJs will play both modern and classic rock, for example as well as pop music. Would never happen here.

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:15pm

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

There's always gonna be good music and sh!te music. Cowell's brand will always sell to the masses and its nearly a fact of life.

But, ignore him as you would a charity mugger, put some AC/DC on your headphones, and rock the fuck out.

I get the feeling that pure talent like AC/DC would never have been able to get a break if Simon was in control back then.

Cheese sells more than music.

Gunsfortoys · 03-10-2010 8:17pm

I suppose the problem is will there be any great bands that come out ever again eg AC/DC etc? With all the music that is being forced down everyones throats there may not be anymore.

Herb Powell · 03-10-2010 8:17pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

You can't beat a good pop song.

ahem

granted Billy's a **** now, but this is still class

knird evol · 03-10-2010 8:17pm

gsxr1 you cannot claim one type of music is superior to another just because in your subjective taste you prefer it.
These things are personal and subjective.

The musical tastes of all people are equally valid.

Even the vapid, braindead troglodytes who listen to JLS.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:19pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

I get the feeling that pure talent like AC/DC would never have been able to get a break if Simon was in control back then.

Cheese sells more than music.

AC/DC are Pop Music though.

Pop Music is music which is popular, which is mainstream and which gets airplay.

They've sold over 160 million albums.

Back in Black is the biggest selling album by a band in the history of music.

Doesn't get much "pop" than that does it?

OPENROAD · 03-10-2010 8:19pm

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

There's always gonna be good music and sh!te music. Cowell's brand will always sell to the masses and its nearly a fact of life.

But, ignore him as you would a charity mugger, put some AC/DC on your headphones, and rock the fuck out.

Music is about personal taste is it not? Its what you like, and what makes you happy.

OPENROAD · 03-10-2010 8:20pm

knird evol wrote: »

gsxr1 you cannot claim one type of music is superior to another just because in your subjective taste you prefer it.
These things are personal and subjective.

The musical tastes of all people are equally valid.

Even the vapid, braindead troglodytes who listen to JLS.

Spot on

GLaDOS · 03-10-2010 8:21pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

AC/DC are Pop Music though.

Pop Music is music which is popular, which is mainstream and which gets airplay.

They've sold over 160 million albums.

Back in Black is the biggest selling album by a band in the history of music.

Doesn't get much "pop" than that does it?

The issue is more modern pop rather than pop in general

Snowie · 03-10-2010 8:21pm

Is Simon Cowell the cancer of the music industry

absaloulty not.

Down Loaders are.
X-factor winners have a shelf life of a 6 months if even.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:24pm

By the way, how would Simon Cowell be a cancer to the Music Industry?

Simon Cowell IS the music industry!

Which is why you have "indie" or Independant labels who try not to play within the rules of the "industry" and bring you lovely chunks of goodness

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2010 8:26pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

thats gone a bit far.

I believe
Stock Aitken Waterman where just as bad.

I am not stupid. Please do not refer to me as such.;)

a stupid statement automatically makes the person who enforces it stupid?

yeah okay gsxr1.

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:27pm

knird evol wrote: »

gsxr1 you cannot claim one type of music is superior to another just because in your subjective taste you prefer it.
These things are personal and subjective.

The musical tastes of all people are equally valid.

Even the vapid, braindead troglodytes who listen to JLS.

why cant I?

Mary from Tesco has just been put through. A karaoke singer from Dublin. Probably has never picked up an instrument in her life.
Yet a band who practice 3 times a week, for years now, and do it for there love of the crowd and the music will never get a chance.
it BS to be honest.

Watching the likes of Danni Minogue chose who is going to be on Ray Darcy every day is the ****s. no harm like.

It stinks .. its rot.

whoever wins this, and the next 3 finishers will be the next big thing.

BOKE
sorry

Gunsfortoys · 03-10-2010 8:27pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

AC/DC are Pop Music though.

Pop Music is music which is popular, which is mainstream and which gets airplay.

They've sold over 160 million albums.

Back in Black is the biggest selling album by a band in the history of music.

Doesn't get much "pop" than that does it?

AC/DC weren't pop in their day. Them, like all rock bands were not in charts or anything, they were considered "the devils music" just as much as a lot of bands back then, they became more popular over time.

stovelid · 03-10-2010 8:28pm

Not the big C I was thinking of really.

greenmachine88 · 03-10-2010 8:29pm

I for one cannot STAND Leona Lewis

Big Nasty · 03-10-2010 8:34pm

It's as simple as this - there's a lot of tasteless gombeens in the world.

The Irish Times is the leading newspaper in the country but is way outsold by the redtops - why?

Similalry the tripe that is 'pop' today which is encouraged, if not fueled, by the likes of Cowell makes it near impossible for a 'real' band to succeed.

If Cowell was a true representative of proper bands playing proper music he wouldn't entertain, never mind help, this fabricated ****e music.

Superbus · 03-10-2010 8:39pm

TBH who cares, let the 'uncultured masses' like whatever they like, stick in the headphones and listen to whatever you want. It's pretty easy to avoid popular culture if you want to.

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2010 8:40pm

greenmachine88 wrote: »

I for one cannot STAND Leona Lewis

ah here. she's probably the most talented artist to come out of the x factor.

MrStuffins · 03-10-2010 8:44pm

Superbus wrote: »

TBH who cares, let the 'uncultured masses' like whatever they like, stick in the headphones and listen to whatever you want. It's pretty easy to avoid popular culture if you want to.

I have very little knowledge of much of the music in the charts now.

I have my iPod chock-a-block with the stuff i like. I knows what i likes so i listen to what i likes!

But i don't deprive myself of liking the odd pop song just because i like "real" music. I thought that kinda thinking kinda leaves you when you're in your late teens (at least it should).

Armin_Tamzarian · 03-10-2010 8:44pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

Most bands with the M CD banner over them. I work at them.

I have a list as long as my arm.

I think he meant 'what town?'.

Big Nasty · 03-10-2010 8:46pm

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

I think he meant 'what town?'.

Biko wannabe?

th3 s1aught3r · 03-10-2010 8:47pm

Simon Cowell is selling a product called music
They package it as 5 guys sitting on stools, or 5 girls wearing very little and its all a business to them, its all about money

gsxr1 · 03-10-2010 8:48pm

38 views
39 comments.

seems like everyone has an opinion on this.

cant wait till the X factor brigade log on in 20 mins

Big Nasty · 03-10-2010 8:49pm

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Simon Cowell is selling a product called music
They package it as 5 guys sitting on stools, or 5 girls wearing very little and its all a business to them, its all about money

Yeah - and feck all to do with music IMO!

Knifey Spoony · 03-10-2010 9:12pm

The debate here is between someone whose music and lyrics are written for them and people who write there own lyrics, try and get across there own ideas and emotions, and possibly play there own instruments. The former is the x-factor, the latter is what I would call real music, whether it would be classed as pop, rock or metal and this is the kind of music that I have nothing but respect for. If this makes me a music snob, then I'll happily wollow in my own snobbishness.

th3 s1aught3r · 03-10-2010 9:20pm

As well as Cowell and his type, the record companies dont nurture talent at all, they just strip it down to units sold. There is always a big market for quality music , we are just not hearing it becasue no company wants to take a risk on a new band when they know they can sell Girls Aloud and the other ****e they have

bnt · 03-10-2010 9:28pm

As far as I'm concerned, the last "impresario" to get it right was Trevor Horn. It helped that he was a musician first (Buggles, The Art Of Noise), then a producer, before he got in to directly promoting acts like Seal and Frankie Goes To Hollywood. The music never takes a back seat to the image.

Logical Fallacy · 03-10-2010 9:31pm

gsxr1 wrote: »

Yet a band who practice 3 times a week, for years now, and do it for there love of the crowd and the music will never get a chance. it BS to be honest.

Maybe they are ****?

Not being mean, but the majority of bands in Dublin, or Ireland for that matter, are ****. A couple of decent ones stand out, but none of them are very interesting or innovative, they all just tend to sound like that last big band whose names started with "The" that came out.

Saila · 03-10-2010 9:38pm

Im confused, this is AH why is no one blaming the government for this, surely they are somehow to blame no :mad:

Carl Sagan · 03-10-2010 9:41pm

All music is shit and all music is brilliant.

Big Nasty · 03-10-2010 9:44pm

Carl Sagan wrote: »

All music is shit and all music is brilliant.

QED!?????????! :eek:

Saila · 03-10-2010 9:45pm

Pop music is POPULAR cowell and co sells truckloads of crap music to teenagers and they buy it by the truckload. most radiostations are pimps for his crap and the whole pop machine, get over to phantom if you want real music.

Is Simon Cowell the cancer of the music industry

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