Waterford's Nightlife megathread

Musicman2000 · 20-06-2010 7:48pm

Have to agree with you there dayshah, its follow the sheep in Waterford on a Sat night and that’s Harvey’s, which I cant stand myself, I would personally love to see a new venue in Waterford that would have Harvey’s empty, The problem with a night club, Its the younger crowd that go there, and when the older crowd see this, they are not going to attend the venue, and in this climate disco bars are more popular with no door charge, It would be complete madness to open a new club in Waterford, even to wait first to see what happens with Ruby’s and Oxygen, and then make a decision. I can’t understand why the owner of Kitty’s cant see this. Its common scene.

dayshah · 20-06-2010 9:15pm

Musicman2000 wrote: »

Have to agree with you there dayshah, its follow the sheep in Waterford on a Sat night and that’s Harvey’s, which I cant stand myself, I would personally love to see a new venue in Waterford that would have Harvey’s empty, The problem with a night club, Its the younger crowd that go there, and when the older crowd see this, they are not going to attend the venue, and in this climate disco bars are more popular with no door charge, It would be complete madness to open a new club in Waterford, even to wait first to see what happens with Ruby’s and Oxygen, and then make a decision. I can’t understand why the owner of Kitty’s cant see this. Its common scene.

If I was going to open somewhere I would wait for the dust to settle after the whole Tweedy thing. Pure speculation, but maybe the person did buy a Tweedy place and by new venue they just mean rebranding.

merlante · 21-06-2010 4:21pm

What Waterford needs are a few small but classy late night venues. Wine bars/cafes, etc. A lot of people don't go out in Waterford at all because of the lack of choice. A lot of people don't want the big meat market. A lot of people won't go near the junction because it's a disaster on Fridays and Saturdays. I think a few smaller niche places, say in the Michael st. area, would tempt in a small crowd. A lot of people eat out in Waterford these days. Where do these people go for a drink afterwards? Nowhere. They go home, because Harvey's, which might be the only place that caters for their age group, but it's a brutal change of pace from the restaurant.

Isn't there a wine bar license or something like that brought in by McDowell, or did that go through?

dayshah · 21-06-2010 4:55pm

merlante wrote: »

What Waterford needs are a few small but classy late night venues. Wine bars/cafes, etc. A lot of people don't go out in Waterford at all because of the lack of choice. A lot of people don't want the big meat market. A lot of people won't go near the junction because it's a disaster on Fridays and Saturdays. I think a few smaller niche places, say in the Michael st. area, would tempt in a small crowd. A lot of people eat out in Waterford these days. Where do these people go for a drink afterwards? Nowhere. They go home, because Harvey's, which might be the only place that caters for their age group, but it's a brutal change of pace from the restaurant.

Isn't there a wine bar license or something like that brought in by McDowell, or did that go through?

The McDowell thing fell through, but you can get a licence for wine and beer easier.

I was thinking it would be an idea to open a "no spirits" pub. I'd charge low prices for beer and wine because I wouldn't have the overhead of a full licence.

MickClince12118 · 21-06-2010 5:03pm

merlante wrote: »

What Waterford needs are a few small but classy late night venues. Wine bars/cafes, etc. A lot of people don't go out in Waterford at all because of the lack of choice. A lot of people don't want the big meat market. A lot of people won't go near the junction because it's a disaster on Fridays and Saturdays. I think a few smaller niche places, say in the Michael st. area, would tempt in a small crowd. A lot of people eat out in Waterford these days. Where do these people go for a drink afterwards? Nowhere. They go home, because Harvey's, which might be the only place that caters for their age group, but it's a brutal change of pace from the restaurant.

Isn't there a wine bar license or something like that brought in by McDowell, or did that go through?

a wine bar isn't really going to bring anyone in , the pace of a wine bar is the same as that of drinking at home maybe even slower, how many people are going to choose the prices of a wine bar in comparison with buying drink in at home? I can't see very many. People generally only go out now when they are really up for it and a wine bar isnt going to be the right venue when thats the case. I know there is/was one in gorey where i'm originally from and it's empty every night of the week. I do support the need for something different however. I personally don't like the whole disco bar scene which seems to be more and more the case with pubs these days. The unavoidable tasteless computerised music pumping into my ears can turn me off the night out within minutes. there are good pubs which offer a different scene already, which have more than adequate space like twister vicks, which i think is a really nice pub and plays good alternative music but just doesnt get a crowd.

dayshah · 21-06-2010 6:25pm

I've never been to a wine bar, is it much different to a café? I don't go for the staying at home part, I mean that applies to everything (eg CDs cheaper than a concert, TV cheaper than cinema).

How about a beer bar though? I never drink spirits, and my friends don't often (at least not early in the night) so a place with a wine and beer licence might be viable, without the cost of a full licence.

merlante · 22-06-2010 9:25am

MickClince12118 wrote: »

a wine bar isn't really going to bring anyone in , the pace of a wine bar is the same as that of drinking at home maybe even slower, how many people are going to choose the prices of a wine bar in comparison with buying drink in at home? I can't see very many. People generally only go out now when they are really up for it and a wine bar isnt going to be the right venue when thats the case. I know there is/was one in gorey where i'm originally from and it's empty every night of the week. I do support the need for something different however. I personally don't like the whole disco bar scene which seems to be more and more the case with pubs these days. The unavoidable tasteless computerised music pumping into my ears can turn me off the night out within minutes. there are good pubs which offer a different scene already, which have more than adequate space like twister vicks, which i think is a really nice pub and plays good alternative music but just doesnt get a crowd.

Firstly, wine bars can and do generate good business around the world. Secondly, if you think that drinking out in a wine bar is comparable with drinking at home, then perhaps a wine bar is not for you. People spend a lot of money in restaurants and pubs when they could eat or drink at home, but it really isin't the same. I mean between a lively sociable atmosphere where people drink and chat in groups compared with sitting at home necking cheap plonk from Tescos to the immortal strains of Roy Orbison's Only the Lonely.

The third thing is that you can actually serve beer and coffee there as well!

The fourth thing is that Gorey is fecky little town and Waterford is about 6 times the size of it, so I think it would work well enough. Bodega makes money on wine. If you have a few wine bars and cafes together then you'd get people coming in for miles. You're talking about an order of magnitude more people coming in to town. The only thing you have to do is keep them well away from the junction.

The restaurants in town are a prime example of the money that can be made from businesses that aren't pubs. And every time I go into a restaurant I'm surprised by the numbers in there and struck by the numbers of people that only come into town for restaurants and never for the nightlife, because, understandably enough, what we have is a little bit too nasty for certain discerning groups.

Also, I assume you have a live-in significant other? Otherwise drinking at home can be pretty sorry stuff. The two main assumption on this board seems to be that everyone has a car and everyone has a girlfriend. God love you if this doesn't apply to you, because you won't get much sympathy from some of this crowd.

MickClince12118 · 22-06-2010 10:45am

merlante wrote: »

Firstly, wine bars can and do generate good business around the world. Secondly, if you think that drinking out in a wine bar is comparable with drinking at home, then perhaps a wine bar is not for you. People spend a lot of money in restaurants and pubs when they could eat or drink at home, but it really isin't the same. I mean between a lively sociable atmosphere where people drink and chat in groups compared with sitting at home necking cheap plonk from Tescos to the immortal strains of Roy Orbison's Only the Lonely.

The third thing is that you can actually serve beer and coffee there as well!

The fourth thing is that Gorey is fecky little town and Waterford is about 6 times the size of it, so I think it would work well enough. Bodega makes money on wine. If you have a few wine bars and cafes together then you'd get people coming in for miles. You're talking about an order of magnitude more people coming in to town. The only thing you have to do is keep them well away from the junction.

The restaurants in town are a prime example of the money that can be made from businesses that aren't pubs. And every time I go into a restaurant I'm surprised by the numbers in there and struck by the numbers of people that only come into town for restaurants and never for the nightlife, because, understandably enough, what we have is a little bit too nasty for certain discerning groups.

Also, I assume you have a live-in significant other? Otherwise drinking at home can be pretty sorry stuff. The two main assumption on this board seems to be that everyone has a car and everyone has a girlfriend. God love you if this doesn't apply to you, because you won't get much sympathy from some of this crowd.

Gorey, a "little fecky town"? The population is estimated at 30,000 people and the most important fact is that people actually still go out in gorey, as much as ever and still no business for the wine bar.In comparison waterford with a population of 45,000 people, has feck all people going out. I agree around the world it can work, i just don't think its something a lot of irish people are attracted to, and wouldn't work in a city the size of Waterford, when really Waterford is just a big town. I reckon it could only work in a much more highly populated area. Wine bars don't have the atmosphere of a pub and are generally very quiet in comparison. It all comes down to the Irish people in my opinion, as a nation we are generally quite loud that's why i don't believe it can work. And sure it would be nice to be able to afford people who want peace and quite the option of having that, but realisticly I can't see there being anywhere near enough demand for it.

As for staying in, yes i do have a partner, but its always nice to have friends around to the place who you would go out with anyway.
A lot of the time the most simple nights can be the best.
Also just because your staying in doesn't mean your drinking tesco beer.
Ass for playing something as dull as only the only, obviously that would not be the case.(and thankfully isnt in my collection)

merlante · 22-06-2010 11:14am

MickClince12118 wrote: »

Gorey, a "little fecky town"? The population is estimated at 30,000 people and the most important fact is that people actually still go out in gorey, as much as ever and still no business for the wine bar.In comparison waterford with a population of 45,000 people, has feck all people going out. I agree around the world it can work, i just don't think its something a lot of irish people are attracted to, and wouldn't work in a city the size of Waterford, when really Waterford is just a big town. I reckon it could only work in a much more highly populated area. Wine bars don't have the atmosphere of a pub and are generally very quiet in comparison. It all comes down to the Irish people in my opinion, as a nation we are generally quite loud that's why i don't believe it can work. And sure it would be nice to be able to afford people who want peace and quite the option of having that, but realisticly I can't see there being anywhere near enough demand for it.

I've heard all of the bloated population estimates and projections for commuter towns. Luckily, the CSO has the real figures (http://cso.ie/census/documents/Amended%20census2006_%20Volume%201%20Pop%20Classified%20by%20Area.pdf):

Rank Name Size
5. Waterford 49,213
40. Tramore 9,634
57. Gorey 7,193

So as we can see, Waterford is the 5th largest centre in the country, which has a satellite town that that is still bigger than Gorey. Gorey did grow very quickly in the boom, but I think it's fairly safe to say that it will not grow any further in the future. In fact most of the population is from Dublin and many will move back when they get the opportunity.

Waterford might not be large in international terms, but in Irish terms it is one of our primary cities and a regional capital, with the infrastructure that reflects that status. There are 72,846 within a 15 minute drive of Waterford city. Clearly, there is nothing like this population around Gorey.

So if Gorey can support a wine bar, we'll take 4, thanks.

Now having said that, many Waterford people have abandoned their city centre, so there is some work to be done in getting people back. And of course new businesses need to open up. But in any case, there are about twice as many people living in the inner city as there are in Gorey anyway.

MickClince12118 wrote: »

As for staying in, yes i do have a partner, but its always nice to have friends around to the place who you would go out with anyway.
A lot of the time the most simple nights can be the best.
Also just because your staying in doesn't mean your drinking tesco beer.
Ass for playing something as dull as only the only, obviously that would not be the case.(and thankfully isnt in my collection)

Fair enough, but you'll probably accept that for single people, drinking at home, with friends or otherwise, is not really all that much fun. And some of us like to live the single life vicariously through others!

dayshah · 22-06-2010 11:27am

merlante wrote: »

Waterford might not be large in international terms, but in Irish terms it is one of our primary cities and a regional capital, with the infrastructure that reflects that status. There are 72,846 within a 15 minute drive of Waterford city. Clearly, there is nothing like this population around Gorey.

I think wine bars lend themselves to driving their more than pubs as you could drink a little and drive home safely.

I think though there is a big gap in the market for Beer bars (that also have wine).

I never worked in a pub, but I'd expect the majority of turnover is due to beer sales rather than spirits.

Adyx · 22-06-2010 12:15pm

dayshah wrote: »

I think wine bars lend themselves to driving their more than pubs as you could drink a little and drive home safely.

I think though there is a big gap in the market for Beer bars (that also have wine).

I never worked in a pub, but I'd expect the majority of turnover is due to beer sales rather than spirits.

Depends on the type of pub really. We make almost nothing from draught beer, most of our sales are spirits and mixers, followed by bottled beers/alco-pops. Certainly in other types of pubs though.

MickClince12118 · 22-06-2010 1:44pm

merlante wrote: »

I've heard all of the bloated population estimates and projections for commuter towns. Luckily, the CSO has the real figures (http://cso.ie/census/documents/Amended%20census2006_%20Volume%201%20Pop%20Classified%20by%20Area.pdf):

Rank Name Size
5. Waterford 49,213
40. Tramore 9,634
57. Gorey 7,193

So as we can see, Waterford is the 5th largest centre in the country, which has a satellite town that that is still bigger than Gorey. Gorey did grow very quickly in the boom, but I think it's fairly safe to say that it will not grow any further in the future. In fact most of the population is from Dublin and many will move back when they get the opportunity.

Waterford might not be large in international terms, but in Irish terms it is one of our primary cities and a regional capital, with the infrastructure that reflects that status. There are 72,846 within a 15 minute drive of Waterford city. Clearly, there is nothing like this population around Gorey.

So if Gorey can support a wine bar, we'll take 4, thanks.

Now having said that, many Waterford people have abandoned their city centre, so there is some work to be done in getting people back. And of course new businesses need to open up. But in any case, there are about twice as many people living in the inner city as there are in Gorey anyway.

Fair enough, but you'll probably accept that for single people, drinking at home, with friends or otherwise, is not really all that much fun. And some of us like to live the single life vicariously through others!

ok well for some reason the gorey town council website has 30,000 as the figure.... anyway the main point i was making is that, going out in both regularly, there is a huge difference in the amount of people that go out in both.

Of course i understand that many singles will go out with that intention in mind

But most of them choose the bigger disco pubs etc. after all i think thats the whole point of those places. its certainly not for going out and having a reasonable noise level and sociable time with friends. I just think that the whole late night bar scene will always take away from any smaller developments, after all alternative pubs dont even get a look in as it is sadly.

nkay1985 · 26-06-2010 12:33am

Just home from a 21st in Mason's and I have to say it was awful! The upstairs was reserved for the 21st and I've never felt heat like it in my life. We were all sweating like dogs from early on in the night. I said to the barman "what's the story with the air conditioning" and got the reply "we don't have any". He also informed me that if I thought tonight was bad taht I should be there on a Saturday night.

Has this always been the case upstairs in Mason's? It's not a venue I'd have any want to attend anyway but will avoid at all costs forever more if it is!

abouttobebanned · 26-06-2010 1:11am

And they have no heating in the winter lol

burkey85 · 26-06-2010 10:27am

I've never noticed anything wrong upstairs there before,
last time was 2 weeks ago on a saturday and it was grand

dayshah · 26-06-2010 11:23am

Adyx wrote: »

Depends on the type of pub really. We make almost nothing from draught beer, most of our sales are spirits and mixers, followed by bottled beers/alco-pops. Certainly in other types of pubs though.

What I was thinking of (I've no wish to run my own business so I'll give away my idea for free

) is a bar that would be fairly small in size, like an old traditional Irish pub. It would be small enough to be run by one person with a few staff. It would play no music unless some sort of trad session (maybe have a TV for big matches, but I'm not sure on that one) and be a place for people to chat and have a beer. You could feel safe bringing your girlfriend there, and it would have wine, soft drinks and tayto in addition to beer. Also maybe stock a range of fancy beer with high mark-ups in addition to the normal beer. Maybe during the day it could function like a café.

I know this doesn't sound like much of a money spinner, but the business model would be more in line with that of a café. As I said it would be a family type business, you wouldn't have the cost of a full licence, and as there would be no spirits everything would be more tame and civilised. By keeping things simple costs could be kept down.

I think it could work out if it targetted the over 25s. Whenever I meet my friends for drinks we rarely drink spirits until we are in some sort of late bar, so we wouldn't feel put out by the lack of spirits. I suppose the ladies are more spirits inclined, but its not like a business has to keep everyone happy to work. It would be a niche.

Butternutz1 · 26-06-2010 12:28pm

dayshah wrote: »

What I was thinking of (I've no wish to run my own business so I'll give away my idea for free ) is a bar that would be fairly small in size, like an old traditional Irish pub. It would be small enough to be run by one person with a few staff. It would play no music unless some sort of trad session (maybe have a TV for big matches, but I'm not sure on that one) and be a place for people to chat and have a beer. You could feel safe bringing your girlfriend there, and it would have wine, soft drinks and tayto in addition to beer. Also maybe stock a range of fancy beer with high mark-ups in addition to the normal beer. Maybe during the day it could function like a café.

I know this doesn't sound like much of a money spinner, but the business model would be more in line with that of a café. As I said it would be a family type business, you wouldn't have the cost of a full licence, and as there would be no spirits everything would be more tame and civilised. By keeping things simple costs could be kept down.

I think it could work out if it targetted the over 25s. Whenever I meet my friends for drinks we rarely drink spirits until we are in some sort of late bar, so we wouldn't feel put out by the lack of spirits. I suppose the ladies are more spirits inclined, but its not like a business has to keep everyone happy to work. It would be a niche.

Does this sound like Geoffs to anyone else.???

dayshah · 26-06-2010 12:31pm

Butternutz1 wrote: »

Does this sound like Geoffs to anyone else.???

I should have said customers wouldn't need to wear waders when going to the jacks.

comeraghs · 26-06-2010 12:32pm

it does a little bit!

Professey Chin · 26-06-2010 12:36pm

Sounds like a day time Geoffs and evening time Downses to me.
(Whoever controls the music volume in Geoffs id love to slap with a silly stick)

abouttobebanned · 26-06-2010 12:54pm

I think I'd enjoy getting slapped with a silly stick.

ziedth · 26-06-2010 12:57pm

Butternutz1 wrote: »

Does this sound like Geoffs to anyone else.???

No!!!!

ziedth · 26-06-2010 1:00pm

I have more then a few issues with Masons actually Nkay,

I haven't been upstairs there for years but I can understand cause heat is a killer anywhere.

nkay1985 · 26-06-2010 1:55pm

ziedth wrote: »

I have more then a few issues with Masons actually Nkay,

I haven't been upstairs there for years but I can understand cause heat is a killer anywhere.

Oh yeah that's just a fresh gripe. While standing outside to get some air I saw a good few people heading in there and let's just say they weren't my sort of people!

dayshah · 26-06-2010 2:14pm

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Sounds like a day time Geoffs and evening time Downses to me.
(Whoever controls the music volume in Geoffs id love to slap with a silly stick)

Wll, for it to work I would expect it would need to be a lot smaller than Geoffs. Geoff's is really of super-pub size now, so would need a lot of staff.

I wonder how much spirits they sell. I think Geoff's is grand (apart from the 3rd World jacks), but I suppose I had the Gingerman in mind.

jonnyfingers · 29-06-2010 2:41pm

Just thought I'd pass this on if you haven't seen it. Video of two Waterford lads talking after a night out.

Warning: NSFW if you have speakers as it contains strong language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFnmDYIEVk8

angry_fox · 29-06-2010 7:11pm

Went upstairs in Masons on Saturday for a look and it was just full of young lads and ladies who were off their heads and it was very hot. Left after one drink, done the usual thing and headed down to harveys which was jammed so we just left. Am thinking of trying something different and going on a pub crawl on all the pubs on the quay (cause i have never been in them) and then heading to the usual spots whos with me???

alphapa · 30-06-2010 4:08pm

dayshah wrote: »

What I was thinking of (I've no wish to run my own business so I'll give away my idea for free ) is a bar that would be fairly small in size, like an old traditional Irish pub. It would be small enough to be run by one person with a few staff. It would play no music unless some sort of trad session (maybe have a TV for big matches, but I'm not sure on that one) and be a place for people to chat and have a beer. You could feel safe bringing your girlfriend there, and it would have wine, soft drinks and tayto in addition to beer. Also maybe stock a range of fancy beer with high mark-ups in addition to the normal beer. Maybe during the day it could function like a café.

I know this doesn't sound like much of a money spinner, but the business model would be more in line with that of a café. As I said it would be a family type business, you wouldn't have the cost of a full licence, and as there would be no spirits everything would be more tame and civilised. By keeping things simple costs could be kept down.

I think it could work out if it targetted the over 25s. Whenever I meet my friends for drinks we rarely drink spirits until we are in some sort of late bar, so we wouldn't feel put out by the lack of spirits. I suppose the ladies are more spirits inclined, but its not like a business has to keep everyone happy to work. It would be a niche.

did u just describe philly grimes????????

jonnyfingers · 30-06-2010 4:08pm

angry_fox wrote: »

Went upstairs in Masons on Saturday for a look and it was just full of young lads and ladies who were off their heads and it was very hot. Left after one drink, done the usual thing and headed down to harveys which was jammed so we just left. Am thinking of trying something different and going on a pub crawl on all the pubs on the quay (cause i have never been in them) and then heading to the usual spots whos with me???

I was in both those places on the same night. And felt the exact same as you.

However before submitting myself to that torture I was in Kitty Kiernans enjoying a pint for €3.70. Would definitely go there for a few in future if we're out in town.

MitchKoobski · 30-06-2010 4:33pm

dayshah wrote: »

What I was thinking of (I've no wish to run my own business so I'll give away my idea for free ) is a bar that would be fairly small in size, like an old traditional Irish pub. It would be small enough to be run by one person with a few staff. It would play no music unless some sort of trad session (maybe have a TV for big matches, but I'm not sure on that one) and be a place for people to chat and have a beer. You could feel safe bringing your girlfriend there, and it would have wine, soft drinks and tayto in addition to beer. Also maybe stock a range of fancy beer with high mark-ups in addition to the normal beer. Maybe during the day it could function like a café.

I know this doesn't sound like much of a money spinner, but the business model would be more in line with that of a café. As I said it would be a family type business, you wouldn't have the cost of a full licence, and as there would be no spirits everything would be more tame and civilised. By keeping things simple costs could be kept down.

I think it could work out if it targetted the over 25s. Whenever I meet my friends for drinks we rarely drink spirits until we are in some sort of late bar, so we wouldn't feel put out by the lack of spirits. I suppose the ladies are more spirits inclined, but its not like a business has to keep everyone happy to work. It would be a niche.

Sounds like you just described Phil Grimes down to a tee.

dayshah · 30-06-2010 4:47pm

alphapa wrote: »

did u just describe philly grimes????????

Yeah, something like that.

Imagine Phil Grimes, but with no spirits and beer a bit cheaper because you don't have to pay for a full pub licence.

It should be easier to get planning permission too.

abouttobebanned · 30-06-2010 4:57pm

By the time the students come around the city will have undergone a number of changes.

Rubys and Muldoons...well God knows what will happen with those places....Masons will have new owners (there is a queue of people looking to go in there)...

Harveys and Escape will be put under fierce pressure if the Mcglauchlins do something impressive with Rubys/woodman/lounge/muldoons/peigs/oxygen

ziedth · 30-06-2010 9:25pm

In a way I'm delighted for Harveys, I'm sick of overpaying so much for drinks and I'm still annoyed over the whole debacle of them trying to charge in.

But at the same time it's the only place in town that the the lads and ladies I go out with can half agree on.

And they sell skittles cocktails.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say by sproai next year the club scene in Waterford will be very very different.

nkay1985 · 30-06-2010 10:03pm

Should get a mod to clean up that double post Ziedth!

angry_fox · 30-06-2010 10:15pm

jonnyfingers wrote: »

I was in both those places on the same night. And felt the exact same as you.

However before submitting myself to that torture I was in Kitty Kiernans enjoying a pint for €3.70. Would definitely go there for a few in future if we're out in town.

Must give Kitty Kiernans a try, havint went there in years, very rough element out last saturday

Heard a while back the old cinema was going to be turned into a pub/club but doubt that it will happen. Hopefully Mclaughlin's will refurbish the places they bought and not just leave them the way they are.

rayc · 01-07-2010 10:11am

ziedth wrote: »

In a way I'm delighted for Harveys, I'm sick of overpaying so much for drinks and I'm still annoyed over the whole debacle of them trying to charge in.

But at the same time it's the only place in town that the the lads and ladies I go out with can half agree on.

And they sell skittles cocktails.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say by sproai next year the club scene in Waterford will be very very different.

Agree 100% with this. I used to always go to Harveys, but the price of drink was a huge thorn in the side. The charging debacle was the last straw, just stopped going there altogether. Think I've stepped inside it's doors twice in the last year....

ziedth · 01-07-2010 10:36am

So lets just say you are the new manager of oxygen,muldoons and peigs.

What would you do with the place?

For me I would join Peigs up with the front of muldoons and make a kind of (god forbid) geoffs look a like.

Keep the Area behind that for a live band at the weekends or 21st/hens and make upstaris a Harveys clone playing all that pop ****e.

I think they will have to undercut Harvey's to have any hope of stealing the big spending crowd like me.

Would I be right in assuming that it doesn't have a smoking area? they'll also have to address that.

dayshah · 01-07-2010 11:19am

ziedth wrote: »

So lets just say you are the new manager of oxygen,muldoons and peigs.

What would you do with the place?

There was something about the atmosphere in Muldoons I found very oppressive and agro inducing.

Maybe it was the low ceiling, but I never felt comfortable in there. I suppose I'd try do something with the ceiling.

rayc · 01-07-2010 11:37am

The smoking area thing is key I think, I mean if you break it down whats special about Harveys? Nothing really, it's just a big open bar. What makes it different is the large smoking area, and I think any new pub hoping to do well needs to incorporate one into the layout of the pub.

Joey leBlanc · 01-07-2010 11:37am

dayshah wrote: »

There was something about the atmosphere in Muldoons I found very oppressive and agro inducing.

Maybe it was the low ceiling, but I never felt comfortable in there. I suppose I'd try do something with the ceiling.

Not comfortable with tight spaces... my diagnosis is "claustrophobia".
Take a few deep breaths or do some yoga & try again.
Send in the next patient please nurse!

abouttobebanned · 13-09-2010 8:14am

Oskars joins the list of closed bars.

angry_fox · 13-09-2010 8:23am

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Oskars joins the list of closed bars.

so its now rubys, oxegen, muldoons the woodman and oskars that have closed???

abouttobebanned · 13-09-2010 8:26am

Correct.

ziedth · 13-09-2010 10:05am

What's the story with them anyway? When are they reopening? Jesus I was in Harvey's two weeks ago and it was just awful(well mire awful then usual).

abouttobebanned · 13-09-2010 10:36am

Won't be this year anyway.

Asmodean · 13-09-2010 11:52am

Jesus I didn't know things had gotten that bad! =( Haven't been home in a few months. Are they closed for renovations or permanently?

5ForKeeps · 13-09-2010 12:11pm

Muldoons is going to be new restaurant lads...

abouttobebanned · 13-09-2010 12:21pm

I'd like to know where you're getting that info from. Last I heard is that they have no immediate plans for muldoons

Sully · 13-09-2010 12:31pm

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'd like to know where you're getting that info from. Last I heard is that they have no immediate plans for muldoons

Funny how ya get different stories floating. Last I heard was the builders for Rubys where were late starting, so it was delayed a few weeks. I take it from what your saying, we wont see it open until early/late next year?

ziedth · 13-09-2010 12:43pm

That is awful,

What happened to reopened in October? Wasn't that the early word?

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