Deactivated militaria

Dr Strange · 21-04-2009 8:01am

Success at last! Congrats, very nice objects.

arnhem44 · 21-04-2009 9:20pm

Thanks Preusse,its been a long hard fought process but glad its done now.

kowloon · 22-04-2009 12:31pm

Still waiting on mine.

arnhem44 · 23-04-2009 10:31am

Bare with it Kowloon,you'll get there in the end.I ended up making alot of visits and phone calls to the station in the end and alot of those were only trying to get hold of the FAO,he was either off duty or on patrol,I was hopeing to get the paperwork through before I went to England last month in the hope of bringing them back,I never actually got to speak to the Super and was told in the end that at the end of the day everthing would end up going through the FAO regardless,I think I was lucky at this point because the FAO was changed for a new guy who was very down to earth about it and alot more willing to help.I may consider buying another couple this summer now knowing that I can get them,a nice smle and a No.4 would be nice.One thing the CPO told me when he came to the house was to buy a big enough gun safe if I was considering buying more de-acts,I think he may be right.;)

arnhem44 · 27-04-2009 11:03am

Got my paperwork yesterday finally:D,one quick question on behalf of a friend to people in the know,a friend of mine recently picked up a PO8 Parabellum with no makers marks to be found anywhere on the gun or magazine,just a serial number and the make of the gun stamped into the metal near the breach,is this a private purchase gun,post war copy,police issue or merely a very well made replica,I've searched online and looked at the Swiss versions which don't match and recently discovered there still been made in America but surely there should be more marks on it other than the ones mentioned above,also would this de-value a gun like this by much??

arnhem44 · 02-05-2009 11:50am

Just wondering if someone here could let me know do I need to apply for an import licence from the Justice website or is the Article seven form sufficient for customs.I was hopeing to get the rifles posted in the coming weeks and thought it best to double check

kowloon · 03-05-2009 2:17pm

Ring justice an ask for whoever deals with firearms.
You will need an import licence but if you have the authorisation you'll get it no hassle. I've done it for lives and it took 2 weeks for the paperwork to come through.

arnhem44 · 03-05-2009 7:21pm

Hi Kowloon cheers for that,I did look at the Justice website and of course I couldn't find anything covering de-acts at the time.I thought as much that an import license would be needed but best to double check,will give them a ring Tuesday.

arnhem44 · 05-05-2009 8:49pm

I rang the Justice Department today and spoke to the firearms section,the guy there wasn't sure if I needed an import licence or not and figured if I had the Article 7 that this may in fact be enough to bring the rifles in,in the end I told him I would send in the application anyway just to be sure, and if it wasn't necessary they could notify me in the post,am I doing right or wrong ,who knows.

arnhem44 · 29-05-2009 9:05pm

Lots of cheap de-acts around at the moment,sign of the times I guess,I picked up a nice SVT-40 and a No.4 MK1/2 Enfield the other day,both came cheap and was well pleased with myself

kowloon · 01-06-2009 11:52am

How much did they set you back, and where? If it's not too nosey. Always on the look out for a good deal.

arnhem44 · 05-06-2009 9:17am

Hi kowloon,both were bought privately,110 for the SVT-40 and 160 for the No.4 plus postage and prices are in sterling,there is an SVT-40 for sale at the moment on auction starting at £100 with no bids,new spec with a welded action if your interested

kowloon · 07-06-2009 12:41am

arnhem44 wrote: »

Hi kowloon,both were bought privately,110 for the SVT-40 and 160 for the No.4 plus postage and prices are in sterling,there is an SVT-40 for sale at the moment on auction starting at £100 with no bids,new spec with a welded action if your interested

Good price on the SVT, a dealer down my way has a live one which I would love to buy, even moreso than the garands that shoot.ie have, but living in England half the year makes it a bad buy. The longer the recession goes on the better the prices will get, although for the lives I fear the government see it as a cash cow and have plans on raising the licence fees to ridiculous new heights.

arnhem44 · 07-06-2009 10:07pm

wouldn't have mind having a crack off that SVT-40,what kind of price does a live one compare to a de-act??

arnhem44 · 25-07-2009 11:58pm

Finally got my hands on my first two rifles,I hope to bring the other two over a bit quicker than these ones but still happy to have got them none the less.

arnhem44 · 19-05-2010 8:31pm

Here's the latest two,have these now with a while,a Tokarev SVT 40 with the bolt welded shut on it so very little moving parts and a No.4 Lee Enfield Mark 1 converted to Mark 2

kowloon · 20-05-2010 12:14am

Particularly keen on the Tokarev. I've been meaning to ask, does the Nagant cock on closing?

arnhem44 · 21-05-2010 10:17pm

Hi kowloon,the SVT's are nice,that one is dated 1942 and the Nagant cocks and dry fires.

kowloon · 22-05-2010 6:01pm

I bought a Nagant a while back, but whoever deactivated it wrecked the action, it needs to be manually cocked to get the bolt open. Do you have a picture of your bolt? I want to get a hex receiver version at War and Peace but I'm not sure what to look for as my bolt is welded mess.

arnhem44 · 25-05-2010 6:33pm

Sorry nothing close up done on these,will try and sort something out and post it up for you.What proof house done the deactivation?

kowloon · 26-05-2010 2:19pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

What proof house done the deactivation?

Haven't a cert for it, must look up the stamps.
Only cost me €99, but all the same.

LEGIONAIREFAN · 14-08-2010 2:09am

hi croppyboy im danny i live in carlow too whereabouts are you from? i live just outside the town!

LEGIONAIREFAN · 14-08-2010 2:18am

hi preusse, im danny i'm interested in collecting western & american civil war handguns! though i havent started yet as i dont know the precise laws regarding importing and possessing them! i'm also very interested in the congo war of the sixties and am planning a movie about the jadotsville seige, i am currently researching the weapons used by all sides in that conflict and what i have to do to legally collect and keep these weapons, perhaps you can advise me! it would be greatly appreciated!

Dr Strange · 16-08-2010 3:52pm

Hi LEGIONAIREFAN,

sorry for the delay but I've been away for the last 2 weeks.

Well as for deactivated militaria you would definitely need to contact your local Superintendent. Deactivated firearms are classified as defective firearms under the legislation and although you do not require a full firearms certificate for these you will require a written authorisation by your local Superintendent to hold a deactivated firearm in your possession.

I only had very good experiences with my Superintendent. I made sure to meet him personally and explain what I am interested in, what I want to collect and why. This way he/she can put a face to the name and it is easier to erradicate any questions which may arise with ease rather than sending letters back and force etc. So this is where I would start.

Please feel free to report your experiences as a budding collector here.

Best of luck,
P.

arnhem44 · 16-08-2010 4:25pm

Would American Civil War period firearms fall under antique firearms,I think there's different laws regarding antique weapons.Denix make some good replica western firearms.

Dr Strange · 16-08-2010 4:50pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Would American Civil War period firearms fall under antique firearms,I think there's different laws regarding antique weapons.

Yes, if they were in an out-dated calibre it would be different. Again, it would be prudent to adhere to the exact section of the legislation though. Check which calibres are considered redundant with no possibility of getting any more ammo for it.

Fuinseog · 16-08-2010 9:59pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Would American Civil War period firearms fall under antique firearms,I think there's different laws regarding antique weapons.Denix make some good replica western firearms.

the powers that be informed me that a peashooter would be an offensive weapon and require a licence, so muskets would require a licenece or get it offically deactivated.

citizen_p · 17-08-2010 12:19am

a friend of mine has a offical caution/warning on his record for being caught with a pellet gun when he was younger. somthing along the lines of "possesion of an illegal firearm" or "deadly weapon" (cant remember which). very funny when I heard it called out on a Gardais radio, and knowing what it was from.

so i would consult your local superintendent before hand.

doubletap · 17-08-2010 12:41am

a pellet gun is classed as a firearm and you need a licence for it.

arnhem44 · 17-08-2010 4:18pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

the powers that be informed me that a peashooter would be an offensive weapon and require a licence, so muskets would require a license or get it officially deactivated.

According to the Justice Department old and antique guns are exempt from the provisions of the firearms act provided they are held as ornaments or curiosities but still need an importation licence like buying de-acts from abroad.

Fuinseog · 17-08-2010 6:57pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

According to the Justice Department old and antique guns are exempt from the provisions of the firearms act provided they are held as ornaments or curiosities but still need an importation licence like buying de-acts from abroad.

how old is old? i have just paid to have holes drillled in a 100 year old shotgun (deactivation). I was told muskets that can discharge a projectile also need a licence. they brought in stricter laws this year. if it is held as an ornament it has to be deactivated (essentially ruined and devalued)

arnhem44 · 17-08-2010 7:43pm

This is off the Garda website,there used to be a figure given for old and antique firearms regarding there age to determine the category they would be classed under but this now seems to be done away with.

http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/commissioners%20guidelines%204.pdf

COLLECTORS/DEACTIVATED FIREARMS

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Antique firearms are exempt from the provisions of the Firearms Acts provided they are held as ornaments or curiosities. In the absence of a definition for an ‘antique’ firearm, Ballistics section at Garda H.Q. applies the ‘Pre Unitary Cartridge’ rule which appears to conform to international standards. Unitary cartridge ammunition consists of a cartridge - usually metal which contains the primer – the propellant and the bullet within it.
Modern reproductions of antique firearms are not exempt from firearms legislation.

Some people will occasionally wish to buy an old or antique firearm, or one which is valuable because of its historical significance, for no reason other than as an investment. This may sometimes be regarded as ‘Good Reason’ having regard to all the circumstances, and if capable of being fired, these firearms will require a firearms certificate.
Deactivated/Defective firearms, not capable of being fired, may be kept on the written authorisation of the local superintendent under S.6 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 as amended. The superintendent must be satisfied that the firearm is actually permanently deactivated and may request certification of same from a recognised proof house and have the firearm examined by a suitably qualified member of the Garda Síochána. Ballistics section Garda H.Q. may also be contacted to offer any further assistance if required. The serial number on such a deactivated firearm should always be maintained for identification purposes.
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LEGIONAIREFAN · 25-08-2010 7:56pm

cheers preusse! your info is very helpful! im going to have a chat with my local super or firearms officer. im making am making a movie about the jadots ville seige! where 155 irish troops stood to against overwhelming odds and took out about 500 enemies, only sustaining 4 wounded! at the moment im researching the arms used by both sides i plan to get some airsoft arms & some deacs. so i'll keeep you posted as to how its going!

danny (legionairefan)

LEGIONAIREFAN · 25-08-2010 8:14pm

hi arnhem44, thanks for posting the info regarding denix! i did not know about them! im gonna check 'em out!

danny (legionairefan)

Dr Strange · 26-08-2010 7:39am

LEGIONAIREFAN wrote: »

so i'll keeep you posted as to how its going!

danny (legionairefan)

Hi Danny, please do!

Banditboy_irl · 02-09-2010 1:04pm

Preusse wrote: »

Hi LEGIONAIREFAN,

sorry for the delay but I've been away for the last 2 weeks.

Well as for deactivated militaria you would definitely need to contact your local Superintendent. Deactivated firearms are classified as defective firearms under the legislation and although you do not require a full firearms certificate for these you will require a written authorisation by your local Superintendent to hold a deactivated firearm in your possession.

I only had very good experiences with my Superintendent. I made sure to meet him personally and explain what I am interested in, what I want to collect and why. This way he/she can put a face to the name and it is easier to erradicate any questions which may arise with ease rather than sending letters back and force etc. So this is where I would start.

Please feel free to report your experiences as a budding collector here.

Best of luck,
P.

Interesting ...

I myself am looking to collect deacts which I used during my time in the irish army.

I searched the legal route being that of airsoft but my fav weapon is unavailable at present!

The Gustav 9mm Sub Machine Gun ...

At Salute 2010 in Swords I saw stalls openly selling weapons, AK47 & Luger pistols.

kowloon · 03-09-2010 2:19pm

I don't think anyone was selling deacts at salute. A good few people asked if they were for sale. In my case it didn't help that I had put on white tags to keep track of them; they looked a bit like price tags.

chem · 03-09-2010 6:05pm

kowloon wrote: »

I don't think anyone was selling deacts at salute. A good few people asked if they were for sale. In my case it didn't help that I had put on white tags to keep track of them; they looked a bit like price tags.

Hi Knwloon. De-acts were for sale on the day. Seen them, priced them. But as you know from what happened to me, I didnt buy them

I missed your stall?? where were you? What you have on display?

arnhem44 · 03-09-2010 7:02pm

How do people get away with this,do the organiser's do anything about it?

kowloon · 04-09-2010 12:50am

I must have just assumed they were on display!

Banditboy_irl · 04-09-2010 9:21pm

chem wrote: »

Hi Knwloon. De-acts were for sale on the day. Seen them, priced them. But as you know from what happened to me, I didnt buy them

I missed your stall?? where were you? What you have on display?

What happened to you ???

On one stall I saw what looked like an AK47 with folding stock for 475euro

SpitfireIV · 11-09-2010 1:46am

LEGIONAIREFAN wrote: »

hi croppyboy im danny i live in carlow too whereabouts are you from? i live just outside the town!

Hi Danny, sorry, only seeing this now.

PM sent

Fr.Jack · 16-04-2011 10:34pm

Hi
I thought I would show my Arisaka Type 38.Its has literally been through the war regarding its condition but its the way I like it. It still has its chrysanthemum which was usually filed off as it was regarded as dishonorable to the Emperor of Japan if your were captured with this intact.
Sorry for the bad pictures but they are old ones and I am moving house at the minute but as soon as I get sorted out I,ll post new ones along with some other bits and pieces from my collection.
Martin

arnhem44 · 16-04-2011 11:11pm

Thanks for sharing that one with us,it certainly has the been there look and I'm sure if it could tell a story it would most certainly be interesting.I love those Arisaka bayonets,they seem so well balanced when holding one in one's hand.Any idea of the maker on that one.

Fr.Jack · 17-04-2011 3:18pm

Unsure of maker but when I get unpacked I,ll take a few more pictures. They are a lovely bayonet and when they,re fixed to the rifle I wouldn,t want to be on the receiving end of it.

arnhem44 · 09-06-2011 12:49pm

Just wondering has anyone else been told that they have to renew their Article Sevens on a yearly basis from now on or is it just me?

Dr Strange · 09-06-2011 1:28pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Just wondering has anyone else been told that they have to renew their Article Sevens on a yearly basis from now on or is it just me?

Haven't been told that. I just renew the letter from the Super for my deacts. The Article 7 is just for import purposes as far as I know, so once your item is in the country it's the permission letter of teh Super that counts (that's what I've been told and how I handle it but maybe someone knows different?).

arnhem44 · 09-06-2011 6:12pm

Preusse wrote: »

Haven't been told that. I just renew the letter from the Super for my deacts. The Article 7 is just for import purposes as far as I know, so once your item is in the country it's the permission letter of teh Super that counts (that's what I've been told and how I handle it but maybe someone knows different?).

Thanks Preusse,do you have to renew the letter on a yearly basis?.This is something that I haven't had to do.I currently have an application to get permission for two more rifles and it seems that the application I put forward has brought attention to the guns I already have.I'll know more tomorrow when the letter arrives

Dr Strange · 09-06-2011 6:49pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Thanks Preusse,do you have to renew the letter on a yearly basis?.This is something that I haven't had to do.I currently have an application to get permission for two more rifles and it seems that the application I put forward has brought attention to the guns I already have.I'll know more tomorrow when the letter arrives

No, the letter was usually enough but I need to renew as my old Super left this year. I hope the new Super will be just as good to deal with. Fingers crossed.

arnhem44 · 09-06-2011 7:01pm

Well from talking to the firearms officer yesterday he said this renewal will be a yearly thing,why I have no idea.Maybe it's something that's at the Supers discretion and feels it better to have it this way.I'll update on this when I know more.

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