[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

ashyle · 24-05-2010 07:47AM

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I'm not gonna vote til I understand wtf just happened.

Delighted about Ben though.

GAAman · 24-05-2010 07:47AM

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LZ5by5 wrote: »

I think you could explain that by saying that Michael didn't really take part on the journey that the rest of them did, and thus in turn this meant that Walt didn't get to experience the journey either. Whereas the rest of them developed a strong bond with each other, a camaraderie if you will, Michael was only really all about one thing; his son. Sure, he got on with people but when it came right down to it his son took precedence over everything else. Thus, I think it's fine that Michael didn't "move on" with the rest of them. They all played important parts in each other's lives, the only person that really played an important part in Michael's life was Walt.

Walt not being there to me meant he was not dead, a season or two ago when locke was back he met walt who was under the care of michaels mother remember, whereas michael went back on the freighter and somehow died hence talkin to hurley

Resi12 · 24-05-2010 07:47AM

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I'm glad the finale wasn't all doom and gloom, from the sound of it on here people wanted mass death and carnage. I personally am happy we got great scenes with loved characters, the only thing wrong with the episode was that not everyone was there.

Oh ya I also just wanna say I don't buy the purgatory thing. Makes no sense besides tonight's episodeh

UnknownSpecies · 24-05-2010 07:48AM

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Didn't they all leave the island and then go back onto it? What was the point in that? Because that must have been real life because it wasn't flash forward or anything?

joe123 · 24-05-2010 07:49AM

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Richard,miles and lapedas; they werent in the church at the end were they?

Was really hoping to see a cameo of Dr.Ecko. Such a cool character.

UnknownSpecies · 24-05-2010 07:52AM

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joe123 wrote: »

Richard,miles and lapedas; they werent in the church at the end were they?

Nope, so I reckon they must have gotten off the island fine

Spiritoftheseventies · 24-05-2010 07:52AM

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Well wasnt Shannon fairly selfish too and a bit of a loner. Again was convinced that Mr Eko was going to be involved as well.
I think in time it will come out that this was not the ending Lost makers were looking for.
And end date was forced on them and I think this forced their hand a bit.
Collectively there was some terrific moments in it but I think charachters like Ben and MIB were given a raw deal in the end.

ashyle · 24-05-2010 07:52AM

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selfbuildkk wrote: »

anyone else reminded of that episode of father ted with dougals sticky tape on the plane,when miles was handed duct tape to fix the landing??

Oh my gosh GREAT MINDS. Me and my sis both went "2 inches of sticky tape" when Miles was havin a go at it XD

bleedinggums · 24-05-2010 07:52AM

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One massive thing that i just can't get my head around is, why have a fantastical island full of magic and flying-talking-hurley-birds and ancient stone statues and a man who doesn't age and a monster made of smoke that sounds like an internet dial-up tone and time travel(!) as a setting for a show, when in the last season you just ditch it completely for a ****in purgatory story, what was the point?
i mean, if it was just the flash-sideways that was purgatory, and everything that happened on the island was real, why the **** did it all happen? where did all the hocus pocus come from? are we supposed to just accept everything that happened at face value?
i guess what im trying to say really is, wouldn't the outcome of the show have been exactly the same if they had of just crashed into a burger king?

random_banter · 24-05-2010 07:53AM

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Loved it. I cried, I yelled for joy, it had everything I needed to get out of it.

After watching I had to think about the meaning for awhile, then came on here and somebody posted the theory as I saw it too, glad to see lots of people agree - the flash sideways was purgatory, and the meetups/memories were done so nicely!

Grinned ear to ear for:
- Lapidus!
- Rose & Bernard
- VINCENT!

Juliet/Sawyer reunion really set me off.

joe123 · 24-05-2010 07:54AM

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dorgasm wrote: »

Nope, so I reckon they must have gotten off the island fine

But sure Sawyer,Kate and Claire were on that plane aswell. Besides the flash sideways was purgatory but not everyone died at the same time.

So say Sawyer could of died in a car crash then ten years later kate died.

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

UnknownSpecies · 24-05-2010 07:56AM

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joe123 wrote: »

But sure Sawyer,Kate and Claire were on that plane aswell. Besides the flash sideways was purgatory but not everyone died at the same time.

So say Sawyer could of died in a car crash then ten years later kate died.

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

Oh yeah haha, completely forgot that they got on, still a bit tired

God it just doesn't make sense, no matter how much people try and defend it and say it makes sense, you could poke more holes in it than a sponge...

Handsome Bob · 24-05-2010 07:57AM

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GAAman wrote: »

Walt not being there to me meant he was not dead, a season or two ago when locke was back he met walt who was under the care of michaels mother remember, whereas michael went back on the freighter and somehow died hence talkin to hurley

I think the point is that there is no sense of "time" in the alternate universe or purgatory if you will. Someone already pointed this out so I'm not taking credit for it, but the point is illustrated by the exchange between Hurley and Ben. The whole, you were a great number 2, and you were a great number 1 exchange. This suggests that Hurley and Ben lived for a very long time on the island and had a very successful partnership in protecting the island.

Walt would have been there if he was meant to be.

prinz · 24-05-2010 07:57AM

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joe123 wrote: »

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

It didn't matter what order they showed up in because time in the FST didn't exist as we know it.

qz · 24-05-2010 07:57AM

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joe123 wrote: »

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

Re Jack: dramatic effect I assume, he's the protagonist and the very first character we were introduced to, I think it's only right that he got the final moments of the show.

Re Ben: on island he was a bit of a bastard to the Losties in all fairness, I doubt he was ready to "move on" with everybody else, it wasn't his time yet or at least it certainly wasn't his crowd.

GAAman · 24-05-2010 07:57AM

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joe123 wrote: »

So say Sawyer could of died in a car crash then ten years later kate died.

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

I was gonna write your first line there as a reply to someone else, as for jack being the last, he was the last to realise he was dead and let go, even if you look at it through the everybody touching someone and flashes from the island etc coming through. Who was the last to have them?

Columc · 24-05-2010 08:00AM

joe123 wrote: »

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

Ben was not ready to move on, he wanted to stay.

Still undecided on what i think of this ending. Havent voted yet until I am certain.

Only thing that really is obthering me, is the magic of the island. What is it ect.

And when jack gave hurly the drink.. Why didnt jack bless the whole thing, like what jacobs mother did and what jacob did for jack ect?

Garathon · 24-05-2010 08:00AM

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What a fantastic ending. Just enough questions answered to give us a fairly happy ending (which I didn't expect from the show!!) yet enough mysteries still there. Whose skeletons were in the cave when they lowered Desmond down? whose shoe was hanging on the bamboo as Jack was dying ? I'm very impressed with it. I don't feel that I was a 'forced' resolution to the story as some people think, I'm not sure the show was ever about the island in as much as it was the people, and its the questions we had about them that were at the end answered. I also thought that the window in the church at the end, with symbols from the 6 religions was a nice touch in that if we had more windows like that around mightn't it be a more paceful world

GAAman · 24-05-2010 08:00AM

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LZ5by5 wrote: »

I think the point is that there is no sense of "time" in the alternate universe or purgatory if you will. Someone already pointed this out so I'm not taking credit for it, but the point is illustrated by the exchange between Hurley and Ben. The whole, you were a great number 2, and you were a great number 1 exchange. This suggests that Hurley and Ben lived for a very long time on the island and had a very successful partnership in protecting the island.

Walt would have been there if he was meant to be.

Bear in mind this is my first time on this board but when you say the alt universe or purgatory you mean after the nuke yeah? Locke talking to walt and hurley was before this wasnt it? Or am i way off?

abelard · 24-05-2010 08:00AM

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joe123 wrote: »

But sure Sawyer,Kate and Claire were on that plane aswell. Besides the flash sideways was purgatory but not everyone died at the same time.

So say Sawyer could of died in a car crash then ten years later kate died.

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

Is it possible that the FST didn't "end" with the scene in the church. Ben said he had some more things to work out, or whatever, so could it be that he still lived on "longer" (if that has any meaning) in the FST, as he wasn't ready to move on. The same could maybe be said for Daniel/Charlotte/Miles/Michael etc...

tbh · 24-05-2010 08:01AM

bleedinggums wrote: »

One massive thing that i just can't get my head around is, why have a fantastical island full of magic and flying-talking-hurley-birds and ancient stone statues and a man who doesn't age and a monster made of smoke that sounds like an internet dial-up tone and time travel(!) as a setting for a show, when in the last season you just ditch it completely for a ****in purgatory story, what was the point?
i mean, if it was just the flash-sideways that was purgatory, and everything that happened on the island was real, why the **** did it all happen? where did all the hocus pocus come from? are we supposed to just accept everything that happened at face value?
i guess what im trying to say really is, wouldn't the outcome of the show have been exactly the same if they had of just crashed into a burger king?

exactly my frustration. EXACTLY. It's like "don't worry about the island, here's what happened after it was all done". I don't care! Forget the 'titanic' ending, WTF was the island?!?!?!?!?

skeleton_boy · 24-05-2010 08:02AM

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joe123 wrote: »

Thats why im confused as to why Jack was the last to show up and why didnt ben want to go inside?

Jack was last to show because he was the last one to arrive after being brought by Kate, presumably after the last person died and it was time for them to move on together. It was because of Jack's actions that what they did on the island was so important that their own purgatory was set up.

As for Ben, I believe he was still a broken character from the loss of his daughter/killing Locke and wasn't ready to move on yet.

dazftw · 24-05-2010 08:02AM

joe123 wrote: »

Richard,miles and lapedas; they werent in the church at the end were they?

Was really hoping to see a cameo of Dr.Ecko. Such a cool character.

No cause they weren't on the plane!

Can someone give some sort of explanation on why ben didn't go with them!? Did he feel bad about something?

Overall I'm very happy with the ending. No one knew what the island was from the start and still doesn't. While I wouldn't have had said no to an explanation, It doesn't bother me we didn't get one.

I'm pretty much set on the idea they all died at some point like jacks father said and they all created this other time to get back together again. Something along those lines anyway

leggo · 24-05-2010 08:02AM

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bleedinggums wrote: »

i mean, if it was just the flash-sideways that was purgatory, and everything that happened on the island was real, why the **** did it all happen? where did all the hocus pocus come from? are we supposed to just accept everything that happened at face value?
i guess what im trying to say really is, wouldn't the outcome of the show have been exactly the same if they had of just crashed into a burger king?

I get where you're coming from and, a lot of people are going to feel this way, but why did anything in Star Wars (for example) happen? Why was Yoda a know-it-all? Why did Darth Vader have a mask and cape?

Same goes for any sci-fi-esque story. If it's not physically possible, then there's no way you can physically explain it to people's satisfaction.

What matters is that you accept the parameters because you enjoy the characters involved in them and the situations the parameters throw up. The rest is mythology. It's fodder for this forum to exist for another few years. It's graphic novels, books, spin-off series and movies that try and give a 'fresh take' on the mythology.

The problem with Lost is that the writers threw very realistic characters with very realistic lives into these extraordinary circumstances. Since the people didn't understand and accept them, the audience didn't either. They demanded answers and so did we.

In the end, though, there's just no way to explain how a polar bear would survive on a tropical island because it's not possible. Trying to join the dots together makes for great forum chatter and pub/water cooler banter, though.

The writers knew this and opted to leave it best unsaid. They told us what we needed to know, wrapped up the lives of the characters who MADE us care about this ridiculous island and left us to ponder and enjoy the show forevermore. It's just something we're going to have to live with. And, as I've said already, it's something that I think we'll happily live with...given time...

prinz · 24-05-2010 08:02AM

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Garathon wrote: »

whose shoe was hanging on the bamboo as Jack was dying ?

It brings us back to the very first episode. Right after the crash when Jack ran out of the jungle he passed the shoe looking brand new hanging in the bamboo IIRC.

Mr.Nice Guy · 24-05-2010 08:04AM

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What's the deal with Desmond? Is he some sort of spirit guide who helps the rest move on in purgatory? What about Eloise? Is she aware that it's purgatory which is why she found his attempts at interfering a 'violation'?

I'll be on later to see if you guys can make sense of this.

Liathroidi Dana · 24-05-2010 08:05AM

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Did anyone else think just for a sec that it was going to be a big suicide pact in the church, because they couldn't stand life off the island...?

The way they were saying they were leaving and all...

abelard · 24-05-2010 08:05AM

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tbh wrote: »

exactly my frustration. EXACTLY. It's like "don't worry about the island, here's what happened after it was all done". I don't care! Forget the 'titanic' ending, WTF was the island?!?!?!?!?

Yup, feel the same, it really is unfortunate that every time I think back on the show as a whole, I can't help but be left wondering why we were never told what the island 'is', what were the Dharma initiative really after, why was Walt special, etc.

joe123 · 24-05-2010 08:06AM

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dazftw wrote: »

No cause they weren't on the plane!

Can someone give some sort of explanation on why ben didn't go with them!? Did he feel bad about something?

Overall I'm very happy with the ending. No one knew what the island was from the start and still doesn't. While I wouldn't have had said no to an explanation, It doesn't bother me we didn't get one.

I'm pretty much set on the idea they all died at some point like jacks father said and they all created this other time to get back together again. Something along those lines anyway

Neither were penny or desmond and they were still there!

Whats clear from all of this is that the writers hadnt this all planned out as they went along. Basically the big reveal at the end was that the Flash sideways was actually purgatory and not the island.

Problem is the flash sideways was only introduced this season! It became more important than the whole mystery of the island.

prinz · 24-05-2010 08:06AM

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

What about Eloise? Is she aware that it's purgatory which is why she found his attempts at interfering a 'violation'?

That's the way I understood it. She was happy in the FST and didn't want to move on.

[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]