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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]
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9dudeitshurley wrote: »Right, so he ripped up trees in s1 to scare the Losties so that 5 seasons later (or a lot of time on island) they would do his bidding when he masquerades as John Locke?!
Fair enough If that what you want to believe, i already made my point about what i thought in my previous post.dudeitshurley wrote: »As for Jacob, wanting out of the job after 2000 years is fine. The 'Mother' seemed grateful when MIB killed her, so maybe he too had enough of it. Though the scene in which she actually dies, she says thank you as she is dying and seems grateful, when Ben killed Jacob he didn't seem best pleased.
Miles did tell Ben that Jacob hoped he was wrong about him but this is quite a far cry from the Jacob we see beat the crap out of Richard. He was expecting to die soon.. everyones different, just because Mother said it doesn't mean Jacob has to.dudeitshurley wrote: »What troubles me more is the whole 'logic' behind the candidates. The whole thing is a muddled mess. In Across the Sea, MIB said people 'lie, corrupt, destroy', yet he still strives to get off the island back to his people. So he can't hate humanity all that much if he wants to try get off the island to go home. Jacob, on the flip side, has had no interaction with humanity at that point. Why subsequently does he try prove MIB wrong? Or is it another in a long list of things we are to assume are implied off-screen? (i.e. over the years he susses out humans are not all bad, so he tries to prove him wrong?). I still don't see what proving Smokie wrong can achieve! It's like "A-HA!!! See some people are good, i told you so!!!!!!".
Didn't Jacob also say something along the lines of how he thought those people were good in that episode? May have to rewatch
While MIB was far more negative about them from living with them as he said. Who said MIB was getting off the island to join "his people"? He only used people to his own gain and discarded them just as easily. I was thinking more along the lines that if he got off the Island he'd pretty much destroy everyone on the planet.dudeitshurley wrote: »In picking the candidates themselves, apart from trying to prove smokie wrong, what agenda does he have for picking them from broken lives? It's not because they have nothing to miss in the world, nearly all of them had family, relationships etc off-island. And the criteria for the 'winning' candidate seem equally a mess. To be good? Trustworthy?
Just think the whole thing is an example of a good concept poorly executed. Even reduced to farce when he tells Kate she can take the job if she wants it, despite her name being crossed off. It's fine to say it was always going to be Jack, if so why not have 1 candidate and hope to be proven right? why pick 300, when all is said and done he said anybody who wants it can have it.
I was actually delighted he said that because in Across the Sea, Mother clearly wanted MIB to protect the Island but had to make do with Jacob. She didn't draw up any massive list. So Jacob could have passed the job onto anyone, crossing them off the list just meant they had died or he didn't think they could handle the job but it didn't mean they couldn't take it.
Like in a normal job, your going to have a list of candidates who you think are suitable and a few outsiders. Less likely to get the job but still it's theirs if they pull off a great interview
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9Originally Posted by opinion guy
No there was no evidence he was just using them. He didn't like them sure, but when mother killed them he was distraught and avenged them. It was only 2000 years of being a smoke monster later he was a true user.
I don't think people realise that MiB / Jacobs brother are two completely different entities
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Sad Professor wrote: »MAN IN BLACK: That's easy for you to say. Looking down on us from above. Trust me, I've lived among them for 30 years. They're greedy, manipulative, untrustworthy, and selfish.
JACOB: Then why are you with them?
MAN IN BLACK: They're a means to an end.
Yes but thats a far cry from the smokemonster's way of using them. Samuel's dialogue there implies they're not great but he can put up with them. Smokey is a regular murdering son of a bitch.But was he avenging them or the fact that he was stuck
on the Island
He screamed "you killed them, you killed them all" when killing mom. So its fair to say that did bother him. He also wept when he saw them all dead.I don't think people realise that MiB / Jacobs brother are two completely different entities
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No I do. Thats the distinction I'm trying to make here. Samuel may have considered them a menas to and end, but he wasn't murdering his way thru them to get what he wanted. Smokey shredded them by default and only let them live when he thought they were useful0 -
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4Ha.. How did you stay unspoiled??
Flashsideways = moving on to the afterlife
Everything that happened to the Losties was real. The crash, the island, polar bears, others, dharma etc was all real.
Hope this helps
Ha ha, yah I managed 4 weeks without anybody spoiling the ending! Just avoided this forum and other tv forums plus told my friends not to tell me what happened! That and I heard the ending was crap so I wasn't too pushed to watch it.
So the side world where Jack did the op on Locke, Kate delivered Claire's baby at the concert, that was afterlife? So are they dead now, alive, what's going on? They were all on a plane at the end, where did that go to?
Jees I'm so confused
I've never been more confused from a darn tv show - the finale was meant to clear up stuff! 0 -
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9tinkerbell wrote: »Ha ha, yah I managed 4 weeks without anybody spoiling the ending! Just avoided this forum and other tv forums plus told my friends not to tell me what happened! That and I heard the ending was crap so I wasn't too pushed to watch it.
So the side world where Jack did the op on Locke, Kate delivered Claire's baby at the concert, that was afterlife? So are they dead now, alive, what's going on? They were all on a plane at the end, where did that go to?
Jees I'm so confused I've never been more confused from a darn tv show - the finale was meant to clear up stuff!
Basically, everything that happened on the island was real. Hurley became the new protector, Ben his No.2, and Jack died. The people who left on the plane returned to America and lived out a normal life, dying years later.
The flash-sideways that we've been seeing all season happened after everyone died. It was a place in the afterlife they all subconciously invented in order to meet up and "move on" together (Some would say Heaven, but the symbols seen from numerous different religions would suggest just a place in the afterlife). It was an invention by them all to come to terms with issues they had (Jack resolving his father issues by having a son, Sawyer being a cop rather than a conman, Kate being innocent of murder rather than guilty etc), before they could all meet up and move on together. Thats why so many people in the flash sideways were in previous episodes, like the psychic Hurley's father brought him to was working for Hurley in the recruitment agency place, or Mikhail, Omar and Keamy kidnapping Sayid and Jin.0 -
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