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Waterford/Rosslare Strand Railway reaches the buffer stops (again)!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    I was watching the Rosslare to Dublin drivers eye dvd last night and decided to have a gander at the makers website(video125). On their forum i found an interesting tidbit. I can't vouch for the validity of the admin who posted or his IE 'contact' but it adds more weight to the sense that the decision has already been made to close the line.

    "Sorry but it has already been decided that we will film from Waterford. I have known about the closure for some time because my IE contact asked me if I wanted to film it before it goes. I asked him what infrastructure there was to see and really all he said is a large viaduct. I said that viaducts are best seen from outside the train anyway so I will fly over the route in June or July. He thought that is an excellent idea.

    Due to the one train a day situation I had doubted the viability of filming from Rosslare anyway. After all we have the infrastructure of Europort and the junction in the can already.

    While on the subject of Ireland, are you aware that there is an 071 hauled railtour in April (24th I think) which will be hauling Mk3 coaching stock. After this the stock will be scrapped and therefore it is said that this will be the VERY LAST EVER loco hauled passenger train (other than the Cork service) ever to operate in the Republic. Sad eh? Personally, with what we know about railway preservation and the A1 that would never happen, I say never say never. That said there is NOTHING on the horizon."

    http://www.video125.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=336&page=1#Item_0


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    lord_lucan - one suspects that Video 125 were probably tipped off from the Watchtower by that well known 'enthusiast' Reg Bryan. Interesting forum - didn't know it existed despite having visited the website recently myself. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    lord_lucan - one suspects that Video 125 were probably tipped off from the Watchtower by that well known 'enthusiast' Reg Bryan. Interesting forum - didn't know it existed despite having visited the website recently myself. :D

    I didn't know about the site myself. The aforementioned guy from the watchtower is credited on the dvd for their help so it's very possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    I think this extract from this morning's IT report of the Limerick-Galway railway opening is well worth quoting:
    Ciarán Cuffe said he would also be prepared to preside over the closure of some train services if they did not make economic sense.

    It seems he was speaking about Waterford-Rosslare-Limerick and Nenagh in that context. Looks like the line's apparent saviour has forsaken it.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0330/1224267342575.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The end is nigh.

    Does the line still have 3 signal boxes in operation? Waterford East (Abbey Junction), Wellington Bridge and Rosslare Strand?
    I has a feeling that Waterford East (Abbey Junction) was downgraded to a level crossing only and that the section to Wellington Bridge is now controlled from the Waterford Central box. Can anyone confirm?

    I do remember not all that long ago there were more than 2 trains a day on the line.

    I remember the following:
    0720 Rosslare-Waterford, extended to Limerick Junction in the summer months.
    1300 approx Waterford-Rosslare ex Limerick Junction, Summer only
    1500 Rosslare-Waterford Summer only
    1705 Waterford-Rosslare. This train connected with the 1800 Rosslare-Conolly service at the strand.
    1823 Waterford-Rosslare boat train ex Limerick
    1940 Rosslare-Limerick Junction.

    What the hell happened?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    IE happened....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 lika3


    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=367387502018

    please join this group -
    Save the Rosslare to Waterford rail line


    public meeting 7th APRIL 19:45 - 21:30
    Tir Na n-Óg, Wellington Bridge, Wexford.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    The end is nigh.

    Does the line still have 3 signal boxes in operation? Waterford East, Wellington Bridge and Rosslare Strand?

    I do remember not all that long ago there were more than 2 trains a day on the line.

    I remember the following:
    0720 Rosslare-Waterford, extended to Limerick Junction in the summer months.
    1300 approx Waterford-Rosslare ex Limerick Junction, Summer only
    1500 Rosslare-Waterford Summer only
    1705 Waterford-Rosslare. This train connected with the 1800 Rosslare-Conolly service at the strand.
    1823 Waterford-Rosslare boat train ex Limerick
    1940 Rosslare-Limerick Junction.

    What the hell happened?

    The cabin at Rosslare Strand is gone (demolished) last year, so Waterford East and the Barrow Bridge cabin (I think is still in use) and Wellington Bridge cabin are all that remain. As another poster said what happened was CIE/IE - Can Ireland Endure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    There must be still a cabin or ground frame of sorts to control the points and signals for the section to Wellington Bridge?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 lika3


    the cabin in bridgetown is gone too just a hut there now


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    There must be still a cabin or ground frame of sorts to control the points and signals for the section to Wellington Bridge?

    Rosslare Harbour ground frame?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Strand surely? Or else you would have to be very strong. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    There must be still a cabin or ground frame of sorts to control the points and signals for the section to Wellington Bridge?

    Maybe the points and signalling at Rosslare strand is controlled from CTC like the rest of the Dublin-Rosslare route. I'm not 100% sure myself tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Sorry, yes I meant to say Rosslare Strand is controlled from CTC since the box closed and I suppose for that matter the groundframe at Rosslare Harbour is now also controlled from Connolly. I haven't been down there since the one way system for emigrants from Enniscorthy/Wexford to Waterford was introduced with the new timetable. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Here we go:

    "ROSSLARE STRAND SIGNALLING

    The interface between modern computerised signalling and existing signalling systems always presents designers and operators with an interesting challenge. These interfaces have to be achieved within the existing Rule Book and Signalling Regulations, though usually with special instruction for the location. It is also important that the area of control of each signalman is clearly defined.

    For the normal operation of Dublin-Rosslare Europort trains, there is no requirement for a signalman at Rosslare Strand. However, for a train to depart to or arrive from Wellington Bridge, a signalman is required at Rosslare Strand. To streamline the working of the station the signal cabin was moved from the existing 1908-built signal cabin to a new position within the existing station building. The space was once occupied by the parcel/goods area and is adjacent to the booking office. All Rosslare Strand controlled signals have the abbreviation RS. There are no turnouts or crossovers controlled by the RS signalman.

    The new signal cabin houses, the Electric Train Staff Instrument, hand generator, OCS (One Control Switch) panel and the apparatus to prove to the signalling system that the ETS for the section to Wellington Bridge has been withdrawn from the ETS instrument. To provide a clear distinction between the area under the control of the signalman for the Rosslare Line and the Rosslare Strand signalman, Grange Big level crossing, just west of the station on the Waterford line, is designated the boundary. The ‘B’ pattern ETS tokens are engraved Rosslare Strand for Grange Big-Wellington Bridge.

    The new panel is simple with just three signal switches and three axle counter reset buttons. All the necessary signals and axle counters are displayed on the panel. Two pairs of lights indicate to the RS signalman if a route to or from the Waterford line has been set by the RL signalman, while a third pair indicates if the gatekeeper at Grange Big level crossing has the gates locked ‘closed to the railway’ or ‘closed to the road’. An audible warning is fitted to the bottom right of the panel to call the attention of the RS signalman if a train is approaching or standing at the down home signal on the Waterford line. This does not activate for trains routed to and from the Dublin direction by the CTC signalman.

    Method of operation When a train requires to proceed towards Wellington Bridge, the Rosslare Strand signalman obtains a staff with the permission of the Wellington Bridge signalman. This releases a starting signal control key from the ETS instrument. This key is then placed in the starting signal control lock and turned to operate an electronic switch, which allows signal RS2 to be cleared to a proceed aspect. The signalman then requests RS 3 and RS 2 signals. Signal RS 3 is a slotted signal, also with the identity RL 568, and will only clear to a proceed aspect if both the Rosslare Line signalman at Greystones has requested the route to Wellington Bridge and the Rosslare Strand signalman has requested the signal to clear. Signal RS 2 is the signal controlling entry to the section and is under the sole control of the Rosslare Strand signalman. Grange Big level crossing must be closed against the road and the Fortress keys inserted in the panel at the gates and the key turned in the starting signal control lock before RS 2 will display a green aspect. The Rosslare Strand signalman must also telephone, in the traditional way, the mid-section level crossings at Grange Big, Mayglass, Bridgetown Station, Muchtown, Nicharee, Ballyfrory, Kilcaven No. 1 and Kilcaven No. 2. He must have a response from each of the crossings before clearing RS 2 signal, otherwise he must caution the train when handing over the staff to the driver and then clear the signal.

    When a train is approaching from Wellington Bridge the Rosslare Strand signalman requests RS 1 signal, which will only clear to a proceed aspect if Grange Big level crossing is closed against road traffic and the Fortress keys inserted in the panel at the gates and the Rosslare Line signalman has requested the route. RS R1 signal is a repeater for RS1 – in effect a distant signal, and will display either a yellow or double yellow aspect depending on RS 1. RS1, also designated RL 569, will only display a proceed aspect if the Rosslare Line signalman has requested the route into the station.

    END OF AN ERA

    The Rosslare Line project eliminated two signalling features, the last Electric Train Staff switching out apparatus and the last lock-up key in a lever frame. It is worth noting that Wicklow up home had the second last mechanical ‘repeater’ signal. Only Roscrea up home retains such a signal."

    http://www.irrs.ie/Journal%20167/167%20Rosslare.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    They have a similar set up in Ballybrophy. But is only ever used if a train needs access to the branch from the main line or vice versa.
    Normally the section Ballybrophy to Roscrea is operated by a manual staff issued by the Roscrea signalman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Any chance the thread could return to the reality of the topic at hand?;)

    I'm shooting a promo video for the campaign to save the line. First and foremost I'm doing it because it boils my blood to see IE neglect and destroy infrastructure because they simply don't want anything to do with it. Its also an operating railway (just about) and should have received far more state attention than was offered to it. Its the subject of repeated closure attempts, despite an obvious disregard by IE. I think its latest proposed closure is based on nothing more than recession based cut backs and maybe even further pressure as a result of the opening of the WRC. (an opportunist move)

    However even in the boom times this line was starved of the very basic opportunity of receiving proper investment, along with its sisters, Waterford - Limerick Junction and Ballybrophy - Killonan. It would appear that despite a sea change in Irish life and state wealth, the CIE arguments of the 70s, 80s and early 00s have been supported and encouraged by CIEs very own tactics.

    If anyone here has video footage or photos (hi res) of the line, then I would appreciate the opportunity of maybe featuring them in the final promo piece.

    Furthermore if anyone here has any ideas on what the video should feature then feel free to suggest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    lord_lucan - don't you just love the way CIE/IE preserve our railway heritage? That cabin was just dying to jump out onto the tracks! I bet all the equipment was inside too - including the signalman's lunch - that is unless Reg got there first! :D

    DW - I will see if I can find anything relevant or any useful contacts. However, as I have been trying to escape my past I have flogged off anything of value or shredded it where needs be, so there ain't much left. Still say the Twilight Zone theme is a must!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    lord_lucan - don't you just love the way CIE/IE preserve our railway heritage? That cabin was just dying to jump out onto the tracks! I bet all the equipment was inside too - including the signalman's lunch - that is unless Reg got there first! :D

    In one of the other pics on that site you can see all the levers still there,as well as the kitchen sink!:p

    Obviously the cabin equipment wasn't deemed old or important enough to meet their own 'heritage' criteria as per their blurb on the CIE website:

    "C I É staff are constantly gathering up old artefacts to add to the Transport Collection that is in the care of the Heritage Office. Fine examples of Victorian electrical engineering vie with cast iron "No Trespass" signs. Station name-boards from Edwardian times sit alongside locomotive whistles, makers’ plates and bronze carriage-keys.

    An impressive archive of photographs, maps, drawings and documentation dating back to the dawn of public transport in Ireland is updated and handed into the care of the Irish Railway Record Society, whose premises is located in C I É property beside the main Dublin railway terminal at Heuston Station.

    You can contact the Heritage Office by phone on +353 1 703 3919 or fax +353 1 703 3920"

    http://www.cie.ie/our_services/heritage.asp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    A priceless collection of photos there. You can clearly see an electric kettle in the cabin window during demolition - one wonders what else was inside? The extension of platforms - apart from being a colossal waste of money - has been a great excuse for CIE/IE to knock down lots more historic items nationwide. I was asked to supply the National Heritage Council with a report on such structures worthy of preservation more than 20 years ago, which I duly did, and the results can be seen. :rolleyes:

    "C I É staff are constantly gathering up old artefacts to add to the Transport Collection that is in the care of the Heritage Office. Fine examples of Victorian electrical engineering vie with cast iron "No Trespass" signs. Station name-boards from Edwardian times sit alongside locomotive whistles, makers’ plates and bronze carriage-keys. - Enjoyed this too but CIE/IE forgot to mention where these items sit : http://www.fitzpatrickhotels.com/grand-central/ in Chicago a veritable respository of Irish railwayana I believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Furthermore if anyone here has any ideas on what the video should feature then feel free to suggest.

    Just follow CIE/IE management and DOT senior officials around and see just how many of them actually use public transport.

    An expose on CIE managers who can take public transport to and from work but drive in style would be brilliant.

    There is aso the icredible urban legend if it can be proven that in the early 2000's an Irish Rail manager altered the Northern Line timetable to make it easier for his daughter to get to and from her school. If that could be proven and documented if would have them running in terror.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    A glimpse inside the Wheeltapper Pub at the Fitzpatrick Grand Central Hotel in Chicago is illuminating - preservation CIE style - out of sight out of mind! :rolleyes:
    125202603ddd7333545b.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    I wonder where that distant signal is from?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    I wonder where that distant signal is from?

    eh, far away?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Just follow CIE/IE management and DOT senior officials around and see just how many of them actually use public transport.

    An expose on CIE managers who can take public transport to and from work but drive in style would be brilliant.

    There is aso the icredible urban legend if it can be proven that in the early 2000's an Irish Rail manager altered the Northern Line timetable to make it easier for his daughter to get to and from her school. If that could be proven and documented if would have them running in terror.

    The Chief Executive of Dublin Bus uses the bus every day to/from work.

    As far as I know the Iarnrod Eireann Chief Executive uses the DART.

    Now Dr. Lynch - that's another story!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    eh, far away?

    Its the distant signal from Ballygobackwards Junction....one hell of a pull


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭bg07


    KC61 wrote: »
    The Chief Executive of Dublin Bus uses the bus every day to/from work.

    As far as I know the Iarnrod Eireann Chief Executive uses the DART.

    Now Dr. Lynch - that's another story!

    As matter of interest what is Dr. Lynch Phd in? Presume that it had nothing to do with transport. I'd imagine from hearing him talk that his transport qualifications are membership of FF and being good buds with Bertie et al.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    bg07 wrote: »
    As matter of interest what is Dr. Lynch Phd in? Presume that it had nothing to do with transport. I'd imagine from hearing him talk that his transport qualifications are membership of FF and being good buds with Bertie et al.

    Dr.Lynch is a hard man to find out much info on but he was DG at FAS before moving to CIE - enough said I think. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    Dr Lynch's background is, according to a recent profile in the Indo, as follows:

    Engineering qualification from DIT
    Commerce degree from UCD
    MBA from UCD
    Doctorate from TCD
    Visiting professor of Business at NUIG
    Lecturer on business strategy at various universities.

    Interestingly, his first state appointment actually came during the Rainbow government.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Transportuser09


    eh, far away?

    Is that meant to be funny? Its quite clear its from far away if its in America. The guy was only asking where it was from. Ok chances are nobody reading this knows but theres no need to be so cutting towards the poster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    Is that meant to be funny? Its quite clear its from far away if its in America. The guy was only asking where it was from. Ok chances are nobody reading this knows but theres no need to be so cutting towards the poster.


    ooooh touchy!

    Anyways I was wondering why if there is a Irish Railway Records Society and they are so close with CIE as people on this board say, then why they hell did so many railway historic items ended up in American pubs?

    I could understand that the IRRS did not have to room to display everything. But being so close to CIE management they could of spent years stockpiling the railway artifacts in a storehouse or old freight shed for the day when it could be put on display somewhere. Literally hundreds of thsounds of artifacts could of been collected this way.

    Also why did this organisation get the monoploy for saving Irish railway heritage when they had everything in their grasp and saved very little. Makes no sense to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Transportuser09


    ooooh touchy!

    If you want to be childish about it fair enough, I personally don't.
    Anyways I was wondering why if there is a Irish Railway Records Society and they are so close with CIE as people on this board say

    I'd take what "people on this board say" with a pinch of salt.
    Also why did this organisation get the monoploy for saving Irish railway heritage when they had everything in their grasp and saved very little. Makes no sense to me.

    I wouldn't say they have a monopoly on saving Irish rail heritage. For one thing they mainly are more geared towards records and small artefacts.

    They're also also voluntary run so there is only so much they can do. Although there seems to be a few people on this site who get kicks out of running down voluntary groups so I may as well be talking to the wall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    Although there seems to be a few people on this site who get kicks out of running down voluntary groups so I may as well be talking to the wall.


    They are not doing it for kicks. They are doing it because they care.

    Honestly, you need to stop assuming that all voluntary groups are driven by altuism and good intentions. Many of them are driven by egos and selfish motives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Transportuser09


    They are not doing it for kicks. They are doing it because they care.

    Care about what? The need to belittle people from their keyboards without actually doing anything positive?
    Honestly, you need to stop assuming that all voluntary groups are driven by altuism and good intentions. Many of them are driven by egos and selfish motives.

    So people who give up their time/money to run preservation sites which people can enjoy (yes enjoy, many of them run special events for kids at Haloween, Christmas etc) and not get paid are selfish?

    Have you honestly come across evidence to suggest selfish motives? They're are hardly going to be embezzling tons of money made out of such schemes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Care about what? The need to belittle people from their keyboards without actually doing anything positive?



    So people who give up their time/money to run preservation sites which people can enjoy (yes enjoy, many of them run special events for kids at Haloween, Christmas etc) and not get paid are selfish?

    Have you honestly come across evidence to suggest selfish motives? They're are hardly going to be embezzling tons of money made out of such schemes!

    Suggest you call into the scrapyard railway at the Cavan & Leitrim Railway in Dromod and ask the proprietor what happened to the other two people behind the project before you bother posting again. Irish railway preservation is littered with failure, 'financial irregularities', opportunists and, of course, the dead hand of CIE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Transportuser09


    Irish railway preservation is littered with failureQUOTE]

    I wouldn't say its littered with failure. Okay, some groups like Westrail and GSRPS failed, but at least they tried. Hell, Westrail largely rebuilt a steam loco which can still be seen in use today. There are various groups which have been successful in their own way; ISPS, RPSI, Fintown, Donegal Station, Belturbet Station, West Clare, Lartigue for example...

    So has with most things in life there have been failures but there have also been successes. We shouldn't deride those who failed either though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,622 ✭✭✭maninasia


    This may have been posted already but it looks like it would make a great cycle track with at least one very scenic bridge crossing. You could get hundreds/thousands of tourists and daytrippers a day cycling that in summer compared to 25 people on a train. These type of cylcing track concersions are popular in Europe and Asia. It could be a boon for tourism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    maninasia wrote: »
    This may have been posted already but it looks like it would make a great cycle track with at least one very scenic bridge crossing. You could get hundreds/thousands of tourists and daytrippers a day cycling that in summer compared to 25 people on a train. These type of cylcing track concersions are popular in Europe and Asia. It could be a boon for tourism.

    Heaven Forbid such sacrilege!!! :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Southsider1


    It's hardly surprising noone is using it. I need to go to Thurles on Tuesday. I decided I'd go Wexford via Waterford and Limerick Junction. Couldn't book it online so I rang IE and was quoted €45 each way!!!

    So €90 return? WTF is that all about????? It's bound to be empty at that price. Is it their way of killing it off?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    It's hardly surprising noone is using it. I need to go to Thurles on Tuesday. I decided I'd go Wexford via Waterford and Limerick Junction. Couldn't book it online so I rang IE and was quoted €45 each way!!!

    So €90 return? WTF is that all about????? It's bound to be empty at that price. Is it their way of killing it off?

    Go to Thurles from where? From Dublin, plenty of direct trains. Do you mean from Wexford? Go via Dublin, plenty of trains. ;)

    EDIT: BTW, if you are starting from Wexford, get a price in your local station. If you phone IE they google your question, and make up and answer if google comes back blank.

    EDIT2: Wexford to Thurles by rail is for sadists as it requires 4 trains: Wex-Rosslare, Rosslare-Waterford (ONE train a day), Waterford to Lk Jnct, Lk Jnct to Thurles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Southsider1


    Went Rosslare - Limk Junction - Rosslare today - had to go to Thurles so went by train. The actual trip ws very pleasant but bloody SLOW! The cars were whizzing past us most of the way. Train was dirty though. Empty beer cans and water bottles. Tables dirty. Toilets minging. Shame really cos it's a lovely scenic route. Oh, and most of the stations are eyesores. Carrick actually looks dangerous! The train up was about 3/4 full and about half full coming back. Not bad for early afternoon I thought? A couple of points though:

    A. It's very expensive.
    B. Absolutely no advertising for the service in Wexford/Rosslare/Limerick Jctn.
    C. As I said the train was seriously lacking a good clean.

    Sad really, I reckon with a slight spruce up and some serious marketing - oh, and a REASONABLE price, it would work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Rosslare to Limerick Junction is EUR 20 day saver return fare. How is that expensive?

    If you paid EUR 90 you were fleeced.

    How did you do that in one day?

    The 0700 ex-Rosslare can only get you to Limerick Junction for 1412, and return train is at 1510. That doesn't give you much time in Thurles!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    KC61 wrote: »
    If you paid EUR 90 you were fleeced.

    You could have probably bought the train for that. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭Shayman


    Sorry correction - should that've read Wex -Dub - Thurles - Limk Junction - Rosslare?


    KC61 wrote: »
    Rosslare to Limerick Junction is EUR 20 day saver return fare. How is that expensive?

    If you paid EUR 90 you were fleeced.

    How did you do that in one day?

    The 0700 ex-Rosslare can only get you to Limerick Junction for 1412, and return train is at 1510. That doesn't give you much time in Thurles!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Southsider1


    Shayman wrote: »
    Sorry correction - should that've read Wex -Dub - Thurles - Limk Junction - Rosslare?

    No. I started from Waterford to Limerick junction. Changed to go to Thurles, got the 2:20ish bact to Limerick Junction and 3:10 back down. Stopped for ten mins in Carrick while another was coming back up and twenty mins in Waterford.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Southsider1


    You could have probably bought the train for that. :pac:
    No. you can't book Rosslare - Limerick Junction tickets online - at least I don't think you can:confused: Last night I called the station and was quoted 45 each way. It was actually only 45 return. Still steep though??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Bodan


    Went Rosslare - Limk Junction - Rosslare today - had to go to Thurles so went by train. The actual trip ws very pleasant but bloody SLOW! The cars were whizzing past us most of the way.

    I have to agree, the speed on that route is a disgrace. Your journey typifies a big problem for Irish rail, in that only commuters will use the train because they have to, leisurely tourists and day trippers would more than likely not go back on that train again, should they encounter the same conditions as you just did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Re: bottles/filthy toilets etc - there is only one way that ever gets fixed and that is with shaming. If you have a camera in your phone, use it, then upload to flickr/youtube.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    No. you can't book Rosslare - Limerick Junction tickets online - at least I don't think you can:confused: Last night I called the station and was quoted 45 each way. It was actually only 45 return. Still steep though??



    It's only EUR 20 return to Limerick Junction from Rosslare and probably less from Waterford. It's the Limerick Junction/Thurles part that increases the fare, as this is on an "express route". Therefore it is actually inaccurate to say that the fares on this line itself are steep.


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