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That idiot, the pope

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  • #92
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    robindch wrote: »
    While I don't recall that Jesus Christ said anything that condoned the abuse of children -- do try not to call them "minors" -- many of the institutions that trade upon Jesus' generally good name, such as the Vatican, have elevated the protection of its employees and its own good name far, far above the good of the children concerned, as well as applicable state law, quite apart from any of its own "moral" commentary.

    The church most certainly is at fault, as its own documents, as well as the Murphy and Ryan reports, make hauntingly clear.

    I'd just remind you that these crimes were committed against the Body of Christ: ''Whatever you did to the least of these my brethren, you did to me.''

    There is a distinction to be made about the nature of the Church: whilst the Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, Jesus never said that we would be free of tribulations. Bad priests and bishops are part of the trials the Church must face. When He said the gates of hell would not prevail, He didn't mean that bad things would not happen. Weeds and wheat grow up side-by-side in the Church.

    This is a good Q&A from Catholic Answers from the USA but is equally applicable to Ireland - I do encourage you to read it:

    http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp


  • #93
    Italia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Italia


    Paedophiles need to be dealt with, as harshly as possible - NO discussion. if it were up to me, they'd get the death penalty, but that is my opinion.

    Inmates in prisons have a very interesting way of dealing with this type of sex offender. That is why they are usually segregated from the rest, even from other sex offenders. I've witnessed this first hand :)

    Having said that, throughout my travels around the world and even when at school (I'm ex-Christian Brothers) I've met many many clerics who were/are fantastic people. IMHO some of the comments posted here are simply using the 'shotgun approach' or tarring everyone with the same brush which IMHO is rather unjustified.

    Anyone expecting the Pope to come wringing his hands abjectly, is going to be very disppointed. Taken in a world wide context, Ireland and in fact Europe, counts for little in the Catholic Church. The areas which count, are South America, Africa and the Far East, where Catholicism is rapidly expanding.

    Bottom line - if you don't like the Catholic Church and the way it does things, leave. No one is holding a gun to your head. Many have left, more will leave and many join.
    Rightly or wrongly - that's life.


  • #94
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Xluna wrote: »
    So,should'nt the Pope be in jail?:confused:

    Probably.

    So should the priests and the bishops involved also. But then Sean Fitzpatrick and Michael Fingleton probably should be too, so protection of the elite and of vested interests in Ireland doesn't appear to be limited to the Catholic Church. it's something we seem to do rather well unfortunately.

    Sorry if slightly off-topic.


  • #95
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    Xluna wrote: »
    As vile as it is I have to wonder is it a psychological disorder? Homosexuality was once considered a psychological disorder but now it's considered a genetic variant or whatever. Perhaps it's the same with paedophillia. From what I've heard experts have had the same success in curing paedophiles as fundamentalists have had in curing homosexuals.Of course the difference is that homosexual relations are consenual while paedophile relations are rape. So we can't tolerate paedophillia while we can tolerate homosexuality.

    Peter Tatchel wants the homosexual age of consent lowered. I was sickened by what I read on his own website. It is sheer hypocricy on the one hand to condemn priestly abuse (which it should be condemned) but on the other hand, to ask for the lowering of the age of consent... so that young people can be preyed upon by homosexual men. Right, that makes perfect sense...:rolleyes: So I guess, that way, some of the clerical sex abuse could actually have been morally acceptable? Right... This is now in the realms of NAMBLA. SICK. Yet this is the cutting edge of the gay rights agenda in the UK.

    Somebody tell me I've got this all wrong.

    Now before I get shot down for hate crimes, I will supply the reference from Peter's website. It is a truly sickening place so try not to tarry there long.

    I remember when I was 14, how immature and innocent I was, and this is scary to think that anyone would suggest that such youths should not be protected by law from sexual predation by men:
    OutRage! advocates an age of consent of 14 for everyone, both gay and straight. PETER TATCHELL argues that young people have a right to make their own sexual choices without being victimised by the law.
    Link: http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/consent%20at%2014.htm


  • #96
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Xluna wrote: »
    As vile as it is I have to wonder is it a psychological disorder? ...Of course the difference is that homosexual relations are consenual while paedophile relations are rape. So we can't tolerate paedophillia while we can tolerate homosexuality.
    Good points. :) Disorder and predilection may be separated by a grey line...

    I don't confess to know a whole lot about it - but the point I was attempting to make to UltraVid was that it isn't 'caused' by homosexuality or dissent with church teachings.


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  • #97
    Morlar
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    Quote:
    The Pope also said that the weakening of faith has been a significant contributing factor leading to the sexual abuse of minors.

    He called for an improved preparation both for candidates for the priesthood and religious life and of those already ordained and professed
    axer wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0216/abuse.html

    The pope thinks that a weakening of the faith is one of the main reasons that lead to sexual abuse of minors and that preparation will help candidates not abuse children.

    I cannot believe that this guy still hasn't an understanding of pedophilia.

    You have taken one single line completely out of context.

    If you want to know what was actually said in context here is that press release ;


    Vatican press release
    Tuesday, 16 February 2010 12:58

    Press release issued by the Vatican press office following the conclusion of the meeting between the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI and Irish Bishops:

    'On 15 and 16 February 2010, the Holy Father met the Irish Bishops and senior members of the Roman Curia to discuss the serious situation which has emerged in the Church in Ireland.

    'Together they examined the failure of Irish Church authorities for many years to act effectively in dealing with cases involving the sexual abuse of young people by some Irish clergy and religious.

    'All those present recognized that this grave crisis has led to a breakdown in trust in the Church's leadership and has damaged her witness to the Gospel and its moral teaching.

    'The meeting took place in a spirit of prayer and collegial fraternity, and its frank and open atmosphere provided guidance and support to the Bishops in their efforts to address the situation in their respective Dioceses.

    'On the morning of 15 February, following a brief introduction by the Holy Father, each of the Irish Bishops offered his own observations and suggestions.

    'The Bishops spoke frankly of the sense of pain and anger, betrayal, scandal and shame expressed to them on numerous occasions by those who had been abused.

    'There was a similar sense of outrage reflected by laity, priests and religious in this regard.

    'The Bishops likewise described the support at present being provided by thousands of trained and dedicated lay volunteers at parish level to ensure the safety of children in all Church activities, and stressed that, while there is no doubt that errors of judgement and omissions stand at the heart of the crisis, significant measures have now been taken to ensure the safety of children and young people.

    'They also emphasized their commitment to cooperation with the statutory authorities in Ireland - North and South - and with the National Board for Safeguarding Children in the Catholic Church in Ireland to guarantee that the Church's standards, policies and procedures represent best practice in this area.

    'For his part, the Holy Father observed that the sexual abuse of children and young people is not only a heinous crime, but also a grave sin which offends God and wounds the dignity of the human person created in his image.

    'While realizing that the current painful situation will not be resolved quickly, he challenged the Bishops to address the problems of the past with determination and resolve, and to face the present crisis with honesty and courage.

    'He also expressed the hope that the present meeting would help to unify the Bishops and enable them to speak with one voice in identifying concrete steps aimed at bringing healing to those who had been abused, encouraging a renewal of faith in Christ and restoring the Church's spiritual and moral credibility.

    'The Holy Father also pointed to the more general crisis of faith affecting the Church and he linked that to the lack of respect for the human person and how the weakening of faith has been a significant contributing factor in the phenomenon of the sexual abuse of minors.

    'He stressed the need for a deeper theological reflection on the whole issue, and called for an improved human, spiritual, academic and pastoral preparation both of candidates for the priesthood and religious life and of those already ordained and professed.

    'The Bishops had an opportunity to examine and discuss a draft of the Pastoral Letter of the Holy Father to the Catholics of Ireland.

    'Taking into account the comments of the Irish Bishops, His Holiness will now complete his Letter, which will be issued during the coming season of Lent.

    'The discussions concluded late Tuesday morning, 16 February 2010.

    'As the Bishops return to their Dioceses, the Holy Father has asked that this Lent be set aside as a time for imploring an outpouring of God's mercy and the Holy Spirit's gifts of holiness and strength upon the Church in Ireland.'


  • #98
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    Dades wrote: »
    Good points. :) Disorder and predilection may be separated by a grey line...

    I don't confess to know a whole lot about it - but the point I was attempting to make to UltraVid was that it isn't 'caused' by homosexuality or dissent with church teachings.

    Unless of course there was a link between the two. That would be my thesis. Sexual relations are divinely ordained to be for the procreation of new life and union of the couple, i.e. one man and one woman. Anything else is sinful and disordered, and begets further sin and further disorder. This thin grey line does not exist, it is simply one gradual sliding scale from one depravity to another. I'm not sorry to say this as it is the truth. When you ignore the Godly morality, some sinners will slide along the scale of depravity a bit further than others. This page helps explain just exactly what I mean: http://www.chastitysf.com/guide.htm
    The Danger of Moral Depravity

    Moral depravity is not a term much used in today’s world. After all, in the name of “diversity” just about anything goes today. And when anything goes everywhere, all paths lead nowhere. What one person sees as depravity, another person sees as . . . well, self-interest.


    Homosexuality was on the DSM in the USA until political activists sought to have it removed, for idealogical rather than scientific reasons.


  • #99
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Ickle Magoo wrote: »
    Nothing the pope does surprises me, disappoints yes, but no surprise. If anything I am surprised that there isn't more abuse and corruption at ground level given the lackadaisical and protectionist attitudes from the Vatican...seems like the perfect place for paedophiles to fit in, plenty of access to children by overly trusting parishioners, no-one wondering why you're not married, protection from Rome if discovered and the guarantee of full pension even if convicted. Nice one. :rolleyes:

    Actually the proverbial is about to hit the fan in a big way. Apparently the amount of abuse taking place in Catholic churches in Italy will make the Irish epidemic (not 'phenomenon' as the Pope calls it :rolleyes:) look insignificant.


  • #100
    Lemegeton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Lemegeton


    farna_boy wrote: »
    1. Not familiar with what you are talking about here?
    2. I totally agree with you. I was talking about the ideal case of everyone having the same beliefs or if you prefer the same moral ideas, not necessarily just the teaching of Jesus.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055819520


  • #101
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Bduffman wrote: »
    Proof that the RCC have learned nothing.

    But that IS the Cathlioc Church. Why should they 'learn' anything when those are their beliefs and their structures? The only people who should be learning are those who call themsleves Catholics.

    In all fairness to Ultravid,whose a member of Youth defence as far as I remember, at least she/he has thought a bit about their religion and are believers of the true Catholic Church doctrines.
    I have much more respect for Ultravid then I do the thousands of gombeens walking around outside as I write with ashes on the forehead but reject or don't know anything about the church they belong too.


    Ultravid wrote:
    Church leaders failed, but the moral teaching, especially relevant here pertaining to sexual morality, is not at fault. If it had been lived, then it wouldn't have happened.

    Completely disagree. The churchs obsession with sexual morality has caused untold damage to peoples liives over the centuries. What they teach is unnatural and leads people to the most pervese sexual deviances,raping young children.


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  • #102
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Ultravid wrote: »
    When you ignore the Godly morality, some sinners will slide along the scale of depravity a bit further than others.

    :(

    If homosexuality is immoral and against God's will, why does God keep making homosexuals then?*

    *Not representative of the views of the poster...


  • #103
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    dvpower wrote: »
    No. I am saying that he, as an individual, is knee deep in cover up.

    robindch wrote: »
    ...
    On the basis of this, Ratzinger implemented a policy of cover-up and is, therefore, frankly, in it up to his neck.

    Split the difference?

    He's in it up to his bo**ox.


  • #104
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Ultravid wrote: »
    Somebody tell me I've got this all wrong.
    It's not so much that you have it wrong - it's just irrelevant.

    Your musings on homosexuality have nothing to do with Pope and his ilk.


  • #105
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Ultravid wrote: »
    Unless of course there was a link between the two. That would be my thesis. Sexual relations are divinely ordained to be for the procreation of new life and union of the couple, i.e. one man and one woman. Anything else is sinful and disordered, and begets further sin and further disorder. This thin grey line does not exist, it is simply one gradual sliding scale from one depravity to another. I'm not sorry to say this as it is the truth. When you ignore the Godly morality, some sinners will slide along the scale of depravity a bit further than others. This page helps explain just exactly what I mean: http://www.chastitysf.com/guide.htm
    You forget the forum you're in.

    By all means defend the pope but don't peddle your crazy talk here, thanks. We've heard it before and have roundly dismissed it as nonsense. :)


  • #106
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    doctoremma wrote: »
    :(

    If homosexuality is immoral and against God's will, why does God keep making homosexuals then?*

    *Not representative of the views of the poster...

    God makes little men, who are, because of Adam, born under the curse of original sin, but through the mercy of God, can be redeemed through Christ's death and resurrection. We therefore must struggle with concupiscence, after having been redeemed, the inclination towards evil remains, , called to do spiritual battle, we must pick up our cross each day and follow Him. For each the cross is different, it may be a physical ailment, it may be anger, it may be same-sex attractions, but most of all it is that dying to self which is called for by the Lord. The battle therefore that each one of us is called to, is the supreme spiritual battle that Adam failed to engage in before he fell. This is how God has chosen to save us. He has redeemed us, through Christ, but we must persevere to the end if we are to be saved, following in the footsteps of Christ.
    Dades wrote: »
    It's not so much that you have it wrong - it's just irrelevant.

    Your musings on homosexuality have nothing to do with Pope and his ilk.

    I wouldn't say it's irrelevant, unless you want it to be irrelevant, but that is like sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich. Everything in this world is inter-related. But crazy talk is not allowed here, so I'm sorry I just can't talk anymore about that.:o


  • #107
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    Just to kill this myth before it crops up-and I can sense it's slowly raising it's head. Paedophiles are not gays men who like younger sexual partners.
    A paedophile may be of any gender and be attracted to any gender. The sole attribute which denotes a person as a paedophile is a sexual attraction to children. It's nothing to do with homosexuality,for those who see a cause and effect between tolerating homosexuality and an increase in child rape I suggest you open a dictionary and read the definitions of the above. Of course blaming the "fags" is a convinient way to deflect blame from the church and that tactic will not solve the issues in the church nor will it help to retain it's members-quite the opposiate.


  • #108
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Even when it was the priests I knew it was them damn homersexuals!


  • #109
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    Xluna wrote: »
    Just to kill this myth before it crops up-and I can sense it's slowly raising it's head. Paedophiles are not gays men who like younger sexual partners.
    A paedophile may be of any gender and be attracted to any gender. The sole attribute which denotes a person as a paedophile is a sexual attraction to children. It's nothing to do with homosexuality,for those who see a cause and effect between tolerating homosexuality and an increase in child rape I suggest you open a dictionary and read the definitions of the above. Of course blaming the "fags" is a convinient way to deflect blame from the church and that tactic will not solve the issues in the church nor will it help to retain it's members-quite the opposiate.

    I just made the point that Peter Tatchel, would, in effect, seek to vindicate at least some of the priestly abusers, according to his own website. I thought this was ridiculous, but nobody commented on that. Why the silence?


  • #110
    scuba8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭scuba8


    As an aside to this debate,
    I find it ironic the the the Pope is trying to fast track the rise to Sainthood of the last Pope, JP2. This despite the fact that the last Pope covered up the rape and torture of children all over the world. Does not seem very saintly to me. The Pope is an idiot. QED.


  • #111
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Ultravid wrote: »
    I just made the point that Peter Tatchel, would, in effect, seek to vindicate at least some of the priestly abusers, according to his own website. I thought this was ridiculous, but nobody commented on that. Why the silence?
    Firstly, what has Peter Tatchel's petitioning got to do with anything? Is he on here complaining about the Pope?

    Secondly, is he petitioning to have the law changed so that he can have non-consensual sex with underage children entrusted into his care? Because if he isn't then, again, his business is irrelevant.


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  • #112
    Chris williams
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Chris williams


    The Catholic Church is a great place of high ideals and learning
    I'm glad to say I've met one or two nice priests who where human
    beings first then priests. Catholic embrasing of science has lead
    to the creation of the modern phyci

    The problem is that only weak willed
    priests get premoted as they are the ones who tow the line
    and don't rock the boat with new fangled ideas like genuine
    remorse and acceptence of blame.

    All Popes and Bishops are politicions their end game in the prepetuation
    and expandsion of their church above all other things eg. truth and reality
    Nothing must damage the mother church, so denial and white washing
    become the norm.

    What we see now is more lies, the pope talks to irish bishops to put them
    back on the true track. This is just distancing from the blame as though
    this was of Irish making.

    I remember hearing on the radio a few years back that in Canada
    they wanted the Christian Brothers outlawed because they had so
    many problems with them.

    God knows what they get away with in Africa and South America.

    The Church have never had the will of their convictions
    In fact quite a few Popes and Priests in history have murdered people
    and kept very bad company indeed.

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm


    I remember a quote from Ratzinger saying he hoped when he was in
    the war that his artillary piece never killed anyone.


    Ah thats comforting to know at least when he destroys
    a life he hopes he had nothing to do with it.

    Over all I don't believe anything the church has "ideas" about
    BUT I'm glad I was brought up a Catholic. Infact the only thing
    i believe in now is God the bible to me is just a collection
    of stories.


  • #113
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    What the heck is it with all these new guys postingg in Haiku?


  • #114
    elekid
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    Ultravid wrote: »
    I just made the point that Peter Tatchel, would, in effect, seek to vindicate at least some of the priestly abusers, according to his own website. I thought this was ridiculous, but nobody commented on that. Why the silence?

    How would he vindicate them exactly? Do you not consider it abuse so long as the victim is over the age of consent? Do you not know the difference between giving consent and being abused?

    These attempts to scapegoat homosexuality for the actions of paedophile priests really, really make my blood boil :mad:


  • #115
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Ultravid wrote: »
    I just made the point that Peter Tatchel, would, in effect, seek to vindicate at least some of the priestly abusers, according to his own website. I thought this was ridiculous, but nobody commented on that. Why the silence?

    Vindicate how? By drawing the age of their victim above that legally required for consent? Which somehow makes it less of a crime to rape a person??????


  • #116
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    Chris williams wrote: »
    The Catholic Church is a great place of high ideals and learning
    I'm glad to say I've met one or two nice priests who where human
    beings first then priests. Catholic embrasing of science has lead
    to the creation of the modern phyci

    The problem is that only weak willed
    priests get premoted as they are the ones who tow the line
    and don't rock the boat with new fangled ideas like genuine
    remorse and acceptence of blame.

    All Popes and Bishops are politicions their end game in the prepetuation
    and expandsion of their church above all other things eg. truth and reality
    Nothing must damage the mother church, so denial and white washing
    become the norm.

    What we see now is more lies, the pope talks to irish bishops to put them
    back on the true track. This is just distancing from the blame as though
    this was of Irish making.

    I remember hearing on the radio a few years back that in Canada
    they wanted the Christian Brothers outlawed because they had so
    many problems with them.

    God knows what they get away with in Africa and South America.

    The Church have never had the will of their convictions
    In fact quite a few Popes and Priests in history have murdered people
    and kept very bad company indeed.

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm


    I remember a quote from Ratzinger saying he hoped when he was in
    the war that his artillary piece never killed anyone.


    Ah thats comforting to know at least when he destroys
    a life he hopes he had nothing to do with it.

    Over all I don't believe anything the church has "ideas" about
    BUT I'm glad I was brought up a Catholic. Infact the only thing
    i believe in now is God the bible to me is just a collection
    of stories.

    Quote from the late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen:
    “Who is going to save our Church? Not our Bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops like bishops and your religious act like religious”

    NOT in a wacky, dissenting, liberal way, but in an authentically catholic way.

    Somebody posted this or else I picked it up somewhere else but it sums up how I feel precisely:
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/ignore-critics--church-must-be-true-to-teachings-2004600.html

    It's so frustrating for me because people use this to bash the true Church when it was disobedience and dissent and sinfulness that brought this all about. Then the liberal wreckers can sit back and smirk and say, 'See! It doesn't work! The Catholic Faith doesn't work and so we need more changes!' This is ingenious but truly demonic.


  • #117
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Smoke and mirrors, people! Smoke and mirrors! :pac:


  • #118
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Ultravid wrote: »
    Homosexuality was on the DSM in the USA until political activists sought to have it removed, for idealogical rather than scientific reasons.

    It may have escaped your notice but homosexuality is prevalent in many other animals besides humans, and therefore has nothing to do with morality. I've always been baffled as to why the Catholic Church have been so obsessed with this one particular area of human behaviour.
    wiki wrote:
    a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

    There are no scientific reasons to be for or against homosexuality. it is another aspect of how animal sexual behaviour has evolved, that's all.


  • #119
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    elekid wrote: »
    How would he vindicate them exactly? Do you not consider it abuse so long as the victim is over the age of consent? Do you not know the difference between giving consent and being abused?

    These attempts to scapegoat homosexuality for the actions of paedophile priests really, really make my blood boil :mad:

    I said I stand by the constant Church teaching that all sexual activity outside holy marriage is a sin.

    I just tried to highlight the sick mindset of those in the homosexual lobby and how they are quite hypocritical. A 14 year old cannot give consent (no matter what some man-made law says) to be sodomized. Peter Tatchel seeks to put young men at risk of sexual predation.


  • #120
    Petrovia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭Petrovia


    Ultravid wrote: »
    Quote from the late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen:
    “Who is going to save our Church? Not our Bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops like bishops and your religious act like religious”

    Please, please tell me you're not saying it's the people's fault that priests abuse children?!

    If that IS what you are saying,

    jesus-facepalm.jpg


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  • #121
    Ultravid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭Ultravid


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    It may have escaped your notice but homosexuality is prevalent in many other animals besides humans, and therefore has nothing to do with morality. I've always been baffled as to why the Catholic Church have been so obsessed with this one particular area of human behaviour.

    There are no scientific reasons to be for or against homosexuality. it is another aspect of how animal sexual behaviour has evolved, that's all.
    Those little bonobo apes get along very nicely. Do you suggest we should take our moral example from them? I'm sure you can find some pretty good comparisons among the apes for what we are talking about.

    This is the Catholic teaching:
    http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp
    http://www.catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.asp


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