That idiot, the pope

krudler

Ultravid wrote: »

*sigh*

Both are against nature.

*bangs head on table*

edit: the Pope never said it was ok to abuse children. Never did he say that and never did he seek to defend them or make excuses for them.

Says who? animals eat their own partners and young, in nature, so by that logic killing children IS natural, see how fun it is to twist logic around to fit an argument;)

Sam Vimes

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Only the parts the still agree with do

Ah in that case, it says that:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

And seeing as bumsecks ain't done lying down, I think God's cool with it.

Sam Vimes

Ultravid wrote: »

edit: the Pope never said it was ok to abuse children. Never did he say that and never did he seek to defend them or make excuses for them.

The pope participated in a massive cover up that defended the abusers from the law and made some excuses for them only the other day

vibe666

doctoremma wrote: »

I'm going to have to wash my computer. I don't want those websites on my history tab....

do what i did and edit them so it just looks like donkey porn so it's less embarrassing. :cool:

krudler

King Mob wrote: »

Ah in that case, it says that:

And seeing as bumsecks ain't done lying down, I think God's cool with it.

Whats gods view on spooning bumsecks?

Galvasean

Ultravid wrote: »

*sigh*

Both are against nature.

You have already acknowledged that animals (bonobos) do it so it clearly isn't against nature. That makes you a hypocrite.

Ultravid wrote:

*bangs head on table*

That could explain why you can't seem to remmeber what you posted earlier.

Ultravid wrote:

edit: the Pope never said it was ok to abuse children. Never did he say that and never did he seek to defend them or make excuses for them.

Didn't seek to defend them? So what was he doing when he went out of his way to make sure the abuse was covered up?

krudler

krudler wrote: »

Whats gods view on spooning bumsecks?

And why would you lay with a woman like that when she has a perfectly good vagina?

You'd think being all knowing and all, God would have been a bit more specific and a bit less shy about what we can and can't stick into which holes.

dvpower

Ultravid wrote: »

edit: the Pope never said it was ok to abuse children. Never did he say that and never did he seek to defend them or make excuses for them.

Yes he bloody well did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being thrown out of the Church.
The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a 'blueprint for deception and concealment'.

[...]

Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger

robindch

Ultravid wrote: »

Both are against nature.

So is not dying from a serious bacterial infection when you take antibiotics. Are you saying that doctors are "against nature" too?

vibe666

Ultravid wrote: »

Church, which incidentally has happened from the very beginning. It breaks our Lord's heart, but it is the price to be paid for fee will.

if you truly have free will, why not just choose not to be a sinner? oh wait, you can't can you because you don't have a choice. :rolleyes:

Ultravid

King Mob wrote: »

Actually I'd like to see where god even says so.

Only places I've seen it mentioned are Sodom and Gamorrah (where it's rape and not consensual sex) and Leviticus which doesn't count to Catholics.

Gen. 1 & 2 - we see from the beginning that the complimentarity of the sexes reflects God's inner unity and His creative power and Fatherhood. God created man and woman to become one flesh which is consummated in the act of marital love.

Gen. 2:18 – throughout the creation story, God says “it is good” seven times. But when God pointed out that man was alone, God says “it is not good.” God then created woman. Man and woman therefore belong together by God’s design, according to His natural and supernatural law.

Gen. 2:24 – God created man and woman so that they could share communion. This communion is consummated in the marital act (which must be between a man and a woman). This communion is also a reflection of the eternal communion of the Blessed Trinity, who created man in His own image and likeness.

Gen. 19:24-28 - the Lord rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah as punishment for the sin of homosexuality. Homosexuality perverts God’s covenant with humanity.

Gen 13:13; 18:20: while homosexuals argue that the sin in Genesis 19 was the sin of “inhospitality,” these verses show that the Sodomites were evil and wicked people before the alleged sin of inhospitality. That is because the Sodomites were guilty of homosexuality, not inhospitality. In fact, 2 Pet 2:6:8 says that Lot witnessed their evil sexual practices “day after day.” The Sodomites’ sin was daily and pervasive.

Gen 19:5: this confirms that the Sodomites’ sin is homosexuality. Here, the Sodomites mistaken the two angels for men and, surrounding Lot’s house, ask to have sex with them. When the yell to Lot “bring them out that we may know them,” the Hebrew for “to know” (yadah) in Gen 19:5 means having sexual relations. See, for example, Gen 4:25 where “yadah” refers to sexual relations between Adam and Eve.

2 Pet 2:6-10: Peter also proves that the Sodomites were guilty of homosexuality. He says God condemned them for “licentiousness” and “lust of defiling passion,” which is where we get the title “Sodomite” for a homosexual. The Greek “aselgeia anastrophes” for lustful behavior is also found in Rom 13:13; Gal 5:19; Eph 4:19 and Jude 4.

Jude 7: Jude also confirms the Sodomites’ sin is homosexuality. Jude says they “indulged in unnatural lust” (Greek, ekporneusasai) and went after “strange flesh” (Greek, sarkos heteras) in reference to their homosexual sins.

2 Peter 2:4-6: Peter also reveals that the Sodomites are suffering in hell for their sins by comparing the Sodomites’ punishment to the eternal punishment of the evil angels. Just as God did not spare the angels when they sinned but cast them into hell, so He did the same with the Sodomites when He “condemned them to extinction and made them an example to those who were to be ungodly.”

Jude 5-7: Like Peter, Jude confirms that the Sodomites are in hell by saying that they had the same fate as the evil angels. Jude says just as the evil angels were condemned to hell, the Sodomites “likewise” (Greek, hos) acted immorally and are undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. “Undergoing” (Greek, upechousai) is a present participle which means their suffering is ongoing. See also the clear polarity between those who are saved (v.5) and those who are condemned (vv. 6-7,11,13).

Lev. 18:22, 29 - God commands a man never to lie with a male as with a female, or he will be cut off. This refers to supernatural death which is eternal separation from God. While the Old Covenant laws have been abrogated by the New Covenant, the Church has adopted their moral principles. Thus, the moral prohibitions on homosexuality still apply in the New Covenant, as Peter, Paul and Jude demonstrate.

Lev. 20:13 - God says that if a man lies with another man, he shall be put to death. From the very beginning, God has revealed that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered, unhealthy, and mortally sinful.

Deut. 22:5 - cross-dressing is also considered an abomination before God.

Matt. 19:6 - after referring to God's divine plan for man and woman, Jesus says a husband and wife become one flesh, which ultimately reflects God's union with humanity through the Church. Homosexual unions pervert this divine truth of God’s love for and union with the human race.

Rom. 1:26 - also, when a woman lies with another women (lesbianism), this is unnatural and a perversion. God wants His children to be pure and holy as He is holy. Paul condemns all homosexual acts, whether committed by men or women.

Rom. 1:27 – Paul calls the practice of homosexuality shameless, unnatural and a perversity. It is contrary to the natural law, as it eviscerates the life-giving aspect of human sexuality and reduces it to a selfish, pleasure-seeking end.

1 Cor 6:9: Paul teaches that sodomites will not enter into the kingdom of God. The Greek word for “sodomite” (arsenokoites) literally means “male copulation” or “male sexual relations.” The Greek “arsen” means “male” and “koites” means “coitus” or “sexual relations.” Paul uses the same word in 1 Tim 1:10.

1 Tim. 1:10 - sodomites are called ungodly and sinners, unholy and profane, lawless and disobedient. They are called by God to chastity. It is important to note that homosexual attractions and inclinations, while disordered and dangerous, are not by themselves sinful per se. It is the acting out on homosexual attraction that is sinful. Those with homosexual desires can still live a life worthy of Christ by remaining chaste and pure as they abstain from acting out on their desires.

The unanimous teaching of the early Church fathers and the constant teaching of the Catholic Church from its foundation, are testimony to the immorality of homosexual acts.

Tradition / Church Fathers

"You shall not commit fornication; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not be a corrupter of youth." Letter of Barnabas 10 (A.D. 74).

"You shall not be a corrupter of boys, nor like unto such." Letter of Barnabas 10 (A.D. 74).

"You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill one that has been born." Didache 2:2 (A.D. 90).

"[W]e have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do anyone harm and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm. And any one who uses such persons, besides the godless and infamous and impure intercourse, may possibly be having intercourse with his own child, or relative, or brother. And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives, and some are openly mutilated for the purpose of sodomy; and they refer these mysteries to the mother of the gods." Justin Martyr, First Apology 27 (A.D. 151).

There are lots more references, but that should be enough to prove the case.

Despite all this, God's mercy is great; all sins can be forgiven, if they are repented.

I do not want to punish aching mankind, but I desire to heal it, pressing it to My Merciful Heart. I use punishment when they themselves force me to do so; my hand is reluctant to take hold of the sword of Justice. Before the Day of Justice I am sending the Day of Mercy. . . .

I cannot punish even the greatest sinner if he makes an appeal to My compassion, but on the contrary, I justify him in My unfathomable and inscrutable mercy. . . .

Tell sinners that no one shall escape My hand; if they run away from My Merciful Heart, they will fall into My Just Hands.

—told to Saint Faustina by Jesus,
Diary (1588, 1146, 1728)

Sam Vimes

robindch wrote: »

So is not dying from a serious bacterial infection when you take antibiotics. Are you saying that doctors are "against nature" too?

Don't be silly, it's perfectly fine to do things that are against nature. It's only when you're looking for an excuse to justify why you don't like something and you can't give any rational reason that it being against nature matters

Duh :rolleyes:

Chris williams

Not sure whats your issue with what I typed it has nothing to do with "haiku"
Looks to me like I'm more on topic as half the posts here are about Homersexuals

vibe666

donegalfella wrote: »

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when did we move on to welsh shepherds?

vibe666

Ultravid wrote: »

Additionally you will find that Christian groups which have spurned the true Gospel and traditional sexual morality (for at the end of the day, it all comes down to sex) are dying.

and the quicker the catholic church joins them for sanctioning (by covering it up and allowing it to continue for decades if not centuries) the better imho. good riddance to dirty rotten rubbish.

krudler

Despite all this, God's mercy is great; all sins can be forgiven, if they are repented.

So then child murders and rapists have nothing to fear as long as they say sorry on their deathbed? thats nice to know, heavens full of child molesting scumbags, but as they said sorry then in gods eyes they're ok.

vibe666

Ultravid wrote: »

God doesn't make anyone 'gay'

well, i'm pretty sure he makes gay animals (or at least he would if he actually existed) so what's different about gay people?

iUseVi

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Don't be silly, it's perfectly fine to do things that are against nature. It's only when you're looking for an excuse to justify why you don't like something and you can't give any rational reason that it being against nature matters

Duh :rolleyes:

Plus, unless you believe in the supernatural, everything is natural. So not only a silly excuse but also meaningless.

krudler

1 Cor 6:9: Paul teaches that sodomites will not enter into the kingdom of God. The Greek word for “sodomite” (arsenokoites) literally means “male copulation” or “male sexual relations.” The Greek “arsen” means “male” and “koites” means “coitus” or “sexual relations.” Paul uses the same word in 1 Tim 1:10.

Tee hee

Turtwig

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Isn't that from the west wing?

edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHaVUjjH3EI

Yup

Sweet Jesus!
I was watching that then it got the pivotal part about when El Presidento stands nobody sits and then the lady stood up. Then at that precise time..
BANG!!
A 39. cal AI gunshot went off in Rainbow Six. Awesome timing so it was.

vibe666

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Apparently the fastest growing religion in America is Wicca

i fecking LOVE their chairs! where do I sign up?

krudler

Deut. 22:5 - cross-dressing is also considered an abomination before God.

This also applies to women, so I guess since I let my girlfriend wear my tshirts and hoodies around the house she's an abomination?

iUseVi

krudler wrote: »

This also applies to women, so I guess since I let my girlfriend wear my tshirts and hoodies around the house she's an abomination?

Some Christian sects take this view.

Ultravid

krudler wrote: »

So then child murders and rapists have nothing to fear as long as they say sorry on their deathbed? thats nice to know, heavens full of child molesting scumbags, but as they said sorry then in gods eyes they're ok.

I'm not sure that it's as simple as that. When you give yourself over to evil, over a lifetime, your heart hardens, and repentance becomes very difficult because you are so confirmed in wickedness. Sometimes there is no going back, though I suppose it is always possible.

Catechism Section IV. HELL

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

1034 Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.614 Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"615 and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"616

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."618

Turtwig

doctoremma wrote: »

I am torn on my answer to this. As someone who has seen male animals daisychain when you mutate a particular gene, I'm never going to rule out a genetic factor.

This might be one step too for the religious believer in a just God to rationalise. God decided homosexual acts are a sin, yet He also decided that Homosexuals must suffer disproportionately in comparison heteros because they have to suppress their urges. Where's the fairness and justice there?

krudler

Ultravid wrote: »

I'm not sure that it's as simple as that. When you give yourself over to evil, over a lifetime, your heart hardens, and repentance becomes very difficult because you are so confirmed in wickedness. Sometimes there is no going back, though I suppose it is always possible.

No no no, dont go backtracking now,you posted :

Despite all this, God's mercy is great; all sins can be forgiven, if they are repented

All sins

ALL SINS

ALL SINS

So are you saying god is....wrong?

vibe666

Ultravid wrote: »

The homosexualist lobby, along with the abortion lobby, cloud reality, muddy facts, and distort truth, all in order to peddle their agenda, one which imprisons people in misery and sin, and costs lives, and souls.

pot *cough* kettle.

seriously, how you can sit there and say that with a straight face is totally beyond me.

there, I fixed it for you:

Ultravid wrote: »

the catholic church, clouds reality, muddies facts, and distorts truth, all in order to peddle its agenda, one which imprisons people in misery and sin, and costs lives, and souls, rapes kids and then covers it up.

iUseVi

Malty_T wrote: »

This might be one step too for the religious believer in a just God to rationalise. God decided homosexual acts are a sin, yet He also decided that Homosexuals must suffer disproportionately in comparison heteros because they have to suppress their urges. Where's the fairness and justice there?

But they already swallow the ridiculousness that is infinite punishment for finite sin so I'm sure they could twist this in somehow.

Or...just insert :rolleyes::rolleyes::(:cool: genetics is not true, CSI!!!!!!!!

Xluna

Ultravid wrote: »

Yeah wicca. Great. Don't they support child sacrifice?

Ultravid

iUseVi wrote: »

But they already swallow the ridiculousness that is infinite punishment for finite sin so I'm sure they could twist this in somehow.

Or...just insert :rolleyes::rolleyes::(:cool: genetics is not true, CSI!!!!!!!!

You reveal your gross ignorance of the Catholic Faith. Enough of this.