Rage against the machine for christmas number 1

Pedro K · 15-12-2009 6:48pm

Caco wrote: »

This was done last year with Jeff Buckley's cover of Hallelujah to stop that other woeful bint's cover getting to number 1... she still got the top spot but Jeff got to 5 or something like that which was pretty cool! Also Cohen's original got into the top 20 or 30 afair

Still a good idea for this year though

And the big winner there, ironically, was Simon Cowell.

He owns the rights to hallelujah.

Yer wans version got to number one, Jeff Buckleys (amazing version) re-entered the charts in the top ten, and Leonard Cohens original re-entered somewhere in the 30's or 40's.

Every record sold, was more money in Cowell's pocket.

Although, Rage for christmas number one, would be quite cool!

A_Leahy · 15-12-2009 7:02pm

Pedro K wrote: »

And the big winner there, ironically, was Simon Cowell.

See, the thing there Pedro is that again ironically, Sony are cleaning up. An even more dispicable corporate machine than Simon Cowell :P They own the right to both RATM and Joe McElderry.

The point is (whether you like RATM or not) the public can actually have their say, they can actually hold sway when they want. This is an excercise in public reaction to media power.

mud · 15-12-2009 7:03pm

http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48893

Simon's spitting the dummy

Pedro K · 15-12-2009 7:08pm

A_Leahy wrote: »

See, the thing there Pedro is that again ironically, Sony are cleaning up. An even more dispicable corporate machine than Simon Cowell :P They own the right to both RATM and Joe McElderry.

The point is (whether you like RATM or not) the public can actually have their say, they can actually hold sway when they want. This is an excercise in public reaction to media power.

Aye.. Didn't Syco (cowell's record) become part of Sony BGM in the end?

It's all money man!

A_Leahy · 15-12-2009 7:12pm

Of course it's all money. But if we forget the money for a second and look at the idea behind it. RATM weren't picked by fans for no reason.

Personally I'd have prefered The Smiths, or The Beatles. But when you think of it RATM just fit.

Big Nasty · 15-12-2009 8:51pm

I hate Christmas songs, I hate X-Factor / Boy Band / Girl Band fabricated ****e! I don't care if you are a fan of RATM or not, if we can make this happen it will ROCK!

Power To The People!

That_Guy · 15-12-2009 9:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

For those mildly interested in keeping track:

Killing in the name is number 2 at the moment http://www.livehits.co.uk/

Number 1 now.

mcloughj · 15-12-2009 9:36pm

all this talk about RATM being on the same label is silly. who cares? we just want a non-x-factor number 1.

we can put sony out of business next year.:D

16-12-2009 12:53am

That_Guy wrote: »

Number 1 now.

indeed it is, but for how long? The real test is Wednesday when the CD goes on sale.
Strange that x-factor is at number 3 on the charts at the moment.

TomCo · 16-12-2009 1:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange that x-factor is at number 3 on the charts at the moment.

2 now.

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 2:00am

The important thing is that we are at number one!!

Anyone with me for making the Macarena next year's number one?

peanuthead · 16-12-2009 2:06am

It will not stay at number one.

If cowell has to buy the records himself he will

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 2:17am

peanuthead wrote: »

It will not stay at number one.

If cowell has to buy the records himself he will

You know, I questioned it too. Part of me still thinks it won't work (but prays it will).
However, after spending a considerable amount of time on the groups forums, interacting with them, taking part, I seriously believe it can be achieved.
These people (we) are seriously dedicated to the cause. They've bought multiple (sometimes up to 9) copies each, and continue to spend. They are launching campaigns in their own areas. They are really going at it. It's impossible not to get sucked into it.
It has had national coverage on UK broadcasts, radio and television. They even have their own set of rules. I think this is a lot bigger than the media will want to admit.
It's that kind of thinking that will drag down the campaign.

The sweetest thing about the campaign however is that it's for charity, which is what makes it in my opinion. The creators of the group insist that buyers also support the SHELTER charity.

That_Guy · 16-12-2009 11:03am

I'll be in town today. I'll just go to HMV and thrash those X-Factor singles. Just doing my bit you know.

Basq · 16-12-2009 11:21am

Posted this in the X Factor thread..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AYUqVNSsY

That_Guy · 16-12-2009 11:29am

Louis Walsh at 44 seconds.

:D:D:D

Brilliant.

bobbyjoe · 16-12-2009 12:04pm

Great idea fingers crossed it works just bought a copy.
Maybe this has been posted already but:

Tom Morello to donate Rage Against The Machine Vs X Factor Christmas Number One money to charity
Guitarist to donate proceeds from chart race to Youth Music, according to campaign

http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48901

Takk · 16-12-2009 12:27pm

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Maybe this has been posted already but:

Tom Morello to donate Rage Against The Machine Vs X Factor Christmas Number One money to charity
Guitarist to donate proceeds from chart race to Youth Music, according to campaign

http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48901

More here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20091216_rageagainstthemachine.shtml

Tom Morello wrote:

Me personally, I am going to donate part of my proceeds from the sales to an organisation in the UK called Youth Music, which is the UK’s largest children’s music charity. My hope is that one of the results of this whole thing is that there will be a new generation of rockers who will take on the establishment with the music they write.

source · 16-12-2009 12:46pm

http://www.irma.ie/aucharts.asp#hometop irish charts, so people can keep an eye from 18th.

Mossy Monk · 16-12-2009 1:24pm

At number 11 WILD HORSES SUSAN BOYLE

What in the hell :eek: I did not know of this songs existance and I never want to hear it.

16-12-2009 2:11pm

Ladbrokes now have RATM as favorites in the UK. I'd wager its just a marketing strategy though. "industry insiders" are predicting a landslide for x-factor when the cd goes on sale.

Coakers · 16-12-2009 2:21pm

Well at least if we fail we've brought the excitement back in to who will be the Christmas number one. Buy a copy, it's cheap and it's fun and in all fairness their bass lines kick ass. TEAM RATM!:D:D:D

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 2:43pm

personnally I think its a f*cking stupid idea.

Sony own both. There's no f*ck you to anyone here, does it damage X factor??? No it doesnt all it means is that they'll milk the anti x facto mentality as much as it they already milk the bubblegum pop fans every year.

As someone said earlier, I would not put it pass being a viral campaign by sony, both last year and this year the *alternative album* to pick over x factor was owned by the same company pushing the x factor album.

Normally I'd be the last to jump in with conspiracy forum nutjobs, but something stinks here.

also in case it hasnt been mentioned the reason for the choice of song is that it contains bad words is the exact opposite type of music to xfactor and the chorus is '**** you i wont do what you tell me'

'I'll just do what someone else tells me' WRAGHHH I'M SUCH A REBEL RARARARA!

(idiots)

_Roz_ · 16-12-2009 2:45pm

This is why you should all make Tim Minchin number one instead by buying White Wine In The Sun on itunes.

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 3:58pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

personnally I think its a f*cking stupid idea.

Sony own both. There's no f*ck you to anyone here, does it damage X factor??? No it doesnt all it means is that they'll milk the anti x facto mentality as much as it they already milk the bubblegum pop fans every year.

As someone said earlier, I would not put it pass being a viral campaign by sony, both last year and this year the *alternative album* to pick over x factor was owned by the same company pushing the x factor album.

Normally I'd be the last to jump in with conspiracy forum nutjobs, but something stinks here.

'I'll just do what someone else tells me' WRAGHHH I'M SUCH A REBEL RARARARA!

(idiots)

It isn't about ownership. It's about expression, it's about the public choosing what the public want for #1. The alternative class usurping the X-Factor machine.
If this were about screwing Cowell out of money, or screwing Simco out of money, or even if it were just about smearig Joe McElderry then why has this particular song been chosen? Because the anti-establishment ethics win out over ownership. It's a statement.
If it were simply for money then some novelty song would have been chosen. If it were a viral campaign then why choose a 17 year old song who the majority of the single buying public haven't even heard of? It isn't elever marketing strategy. Something much more contemporary and pop-friendly would be forefronted.

Out of interest, our own area now has its own campaign:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=13995&post=67722&uid=37655682127#/group.php?gid=231784611232&ref=mf
To promote this to number one we must wait untill the 18th to buy.

KaraNicole · 16-12-2009 4:09pm

http://fashaddict.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/killing-in-the-name-of-christmas-an-update/ blog update on FashAddict about the xmas number 1 race!

peanuthead · 16-12-2009 4:14pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

At number 11 WILD HORSES SUSAN BOYLE

What in the hell :eek: I did not know of this songs existance and I never want to hear it.

I actually like this song tbh.

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 4:25pm

A_Leahy wrote: »

It isn't about ownership. It's about expression, it's about the public choosing what the public want for #1. The alternative class usurping the X-Factor machine.

Point A

meet

Point B

It isn't clever marketing strategy. Something much more contemporary and pop-friendly would be forefronted.

yes cause if you wanted to create a campaign to take advantage and exploit the *alternative class* (officially the stupidist terms I have heard this week) you would pick a pop song and not a song that literally screams out f*CK YOU I'M ALTERNATIVE... Not the most subtle of campaigns.

You may not believe its about money, but to the record companies its always about money and regardless of what you say when you bought the disc....YOU STILL BOUGHT THE DISC.

to take a scenario from a recent penny arcade strip:

opinion guy · 16-12-2009 4:32pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

personnally I think its a f*cking stupid idea.

Sony own both. There's no f*ck you to anyone here, does it damage X factor??? No it doesnt all it means is that they'll milk the anti x facto mentality as much as it they already milk the bubblegum pop fans every year.

As someone said earlier, I would not put it pass being a viral campaign by sony, both last year and this year the *alternative album* to pick over x factor was owned by the same company pushing the x factor album.

Normally I'd be the last to jump in with conspiracy forum nutjobs, but something stinks here.

'I'll just do what someone else tells me' WRAGHHH I'M SUCH A REBEL RARARARA!

(idiots)

Translation ala Goth kids from South Park: "I'm SUCH a non-conformist, I'm not conforming with the rest of you non-conformists. Screw it, I'll do it !"

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 4:34pm

opinion guy wrote: »

Translation ala Goth kids from South Park: "I'm SUCH a non-conformist, I'm not conforming with the rest of you non-conformists. Screw it, I'll do it !"

I got that goth dance down baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2Z7-3JDzo

btw i', such a non-conformist that my christmas buy is an ocremix album...

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 4:39pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

*alternative class* (officially the stupidist terms I have heard this week)

How else can you define the mass of people who have backed this? 'Alternative' being the accepted genre of music this band subscribe to. (And that was pretty petty if you ask me)

I'm afraid not everything is about money. It's that kind of cold, unhelpful, cooler-than-thou, cynical attitude that makes the campaign warmer.

Jus sayin · 16-12-2009 4:47pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

personnally I think its a f*cking stupid idea.

Sony own both. There's no f*ck you to anyone here, does it damage X factor??? No it doesnt all it means is that they'll milk the anti x facto mentality as much as it they already milk the bubblegum pop fans every year.

As someone said earlier, I would not put it pass being a viral campaign by sony, both last year and this year the *alternative album* to pick over x factor was owned by the same company pushing the x factor album.

Normally I'd be the last to jump in with conspiracy forum nutjobs, but something stinks here.

(idiots)

Apparently the facebook campaign was started by Jon Morter and his wife Tracy.
If there is any suspicion of of a conspiracy then wouldn't it be logical to at least find out who this Jon Morter is, does he have any connections to the music industry for instance.
Anyway here is a quote from him in the NME.

Responding to criticism that Rage Against The Machine track was released by label behind The X Factor, Sony, Morter suggested that people were taking things too seriously.

"Rage Against The Machine are signed to a huge multi-national corporation in Sony," he said. "Yes, we are aware of that. For me it was the song that's important... I'm not fussed what label it happens to be on. This is supposed to be fun!"
http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/48816

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 4:54pm

How else can you define the mass of people who have backed this? 'Alternative' being the accepted genre of music this band subscribe to. (And that was pretty petty if you ask me)

its not the alternative side of it, its the *class* side of it. I think trying to put listening to alternative music on the same terms as definitions which are used to classicaly to define entire social spectrums is stupid.

its a hobby, your musical taste, a distraction. There is no comparison between the two. There are much more important things in life then alternative music and they dont even define themselves as a *class*

if you want to define a alternative class, excuse me while I go and rally up the xbox class and we'll have class warfare between us and the playstation class which for generations have been oppressing us.

They will call me the Lenin of XBOX LIVE as I deliver my december thesis in the lobby of a halo 3 slayer game.

urgo

STUPID.

I'm afraid not everything is about money. It's that kind of cold, unhelpful, cooler-than-thou, cynical attitude that makes the campaign warmer.

again, its not about money for you. Its not about money for me, as already stated my music of choice this christmas was an ocremix album (which is free unless you want to donate to its creators.) but to the f*ckers selling the album it is about money because thats their fecking job.

Orna · 16-12-2009 4:58pm

Join the Rage page on Facebook .. this can work .

Why should the x factor be mastered to fix the christmas charts for the last few years ... people power here folks not media power .....

check it out !

http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#/group.php?gid=231784611232&ref=ts

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 4:59pm

Jus sayin wrote: »

Apparently the facebook campaign was started by Jon Morter and his wife Tracy.
If there is any suspicion of of a conspiracy then wouldn't it be logical to at least find out who this Jon Morter is, does he have any connections to the music industry for instance.
Anyway here is a quote from him in the NME.

hmm

http://www.2-4-7-music.com/news/news-story.asp?ID=2840

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 5:06pm

So you're saying, for example, the 'Emo' types aren't a class. I suppose what I should have said was 'minority'.
Look at the late 70's. Punk is just a form of music, is it? It defined an entire generation. You could call them a class, no? A minority?
I'm afriad music is much more than a distraction. (If it were just a distraction would Lennon have been assassinated?)
Art reflects life and culture. Video games don't. That's pretty sad.

Pull your finger out, it would be cool to see it. Not everything is a conspiracy my friend.

Jus sayin · 16-12-2009 5:09pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

hmm

http://www.2-4-7-music.com/news/news-story.asp?ID=2840

Good work, you are now the proud owner of a tin foil hat!

BTW, I still bought the RATM song simply because I thought it much more fun having "Killing in the name of" blasting out over everybodies Christmas turkey instead of having to listen to the winner of X Factor, but then I am a RATM fan so I am biased and at 29p for the song on Amazon I am not going to complain.

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 5:10pm

A_Leahy wrote: »

So you're saying, for example, the 'Emo' types aren't a class. I suppose what I should have said was 'minority'.
Look at the late 70's. Punk is just a form of music, is it? It defined an entire generation. You could call them a class, no? A minority?
I'm afriad music is much more than a distraction. (If it were just a distraction would Lennon have been assassinated?)
Art reflects life and culture. Video games don't. That's pretty sad.

the word you are looking for is lifestyle choice.

Class is an entire spectrum above that (the clue is the second word of the above term)

Pull your finger out, it would be cool to see it. Not everything is a conspiracy my friend.

yeah I just love that conspiracy forum, you know that vaccine for the flu virus is really nanobots so the NWO can control you. The lisbon treaty is just a system of control so they can take away your nationality and conscript you, ELVIS AND JOHN LENNON ARE THE SAME PERSON!!!

You got to be f*cking kidding me.

BraziliaNZ · 16-12-2009 5:11pm

A_Leahy wrote: »

Punk is just a form of music, is it? It defined an entire generation. You could call them a class, no? A minority?

explain how it defined a generation? My dad was in his mid 20s then, how on earth do the Sex Pistols trying to play instruments and singing badly reflect on his generation?

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 5:15pm

Jus sayin wrote: »

Good work, you are now the proud owner of a tin foil hat!

It will never replace my top hat, but thank you

A_Leahy · 16-12-2009 5:22pm

No thank you dear, I know the word I was looking for.
And not to be a pedant, but those were two words.

Man, you really aren't getting this. You're becomming a bit of a joke at this stage. Cynicism is contagious, I'm out.

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 5:26pm

good bye have a nice time abiding to the establishment while telling yourself over and over that your not and remember keep saying

*I believe in fairies I believe in fairies*

cause everybody knows saying it makes it true

RonMexico · 16-12-2009 6:16pm

It is just a bit of fun FFS. Blitzkrieg you are going way over the top here and are making a fool out of yourself.

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 6:23pm

RonMexico wrote: »

It is just a bit of fun FFS. Blitzkrieg you are going way over the top here and are making a fool out of yourself.

I have no issue with it being a bit of fun, we have a bit of fun all the time on the internet, I do have an issue with someone argueing that its some voice of the people movement with greater meanings.

When someone says they bought it cause they just want to hear Killing in the name blasted out on christmas day. I say *go for it* hell if i be inclined I might join you on that, god knows I've signed up to similar ideas before (vote for the worst in Eurovision sort of things and so on, though not dustin that was just embarassing which is pretty hard to pull off in the eurovision)

But this whole thing has a whole *Suck it X factor, voice of the alternative class (shudder) mentality to it and I'm putting my foot down and saying your being stupid.

I mean what does the christmas number one even mean? In the UK the last decent band to have christmas number 1 was Queen almost twenty years ago.

We are talking about the same honour bestowed to Mr Blobby, the whole thing is *for a bit of a laugh* and nothing more.

jumpguy · 16-12-2009 6:33pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

the word you are looking for is lifestyle choice

I agree, lots of people like emo-y/gothy whatever the **** they're calling it these days, but they are not emo-y/gothy. This whole "alternative class" stuff is pretty lame...

That said, I would like to see X-Factor not getting number 1. Mainly because I hate the X-Factor.

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 6:39pm

i think i've watched 2 episodes of x factor in my life and not even full ones, so I couldnt care less about the show, its funny cause I'm looking over the christmas number 1's in the UK and I have listened to hardly any of them from the last 10 years and 2 or 3 in the last twenty. Its not until you get a bit further down the list do I start seeing numerous good songs.

Big Nasty · 16-12-2009 6:55pm

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

I mean what does the christmas number one even mean? In the UK the last decent band to have christmas number 1 was Queen almost twenty years ago.

But isn't that *exactly* the whole point?

BlitzKrieg · 16-12-2009 7:00pm

MCMLXXV wrote: »

But isn't that *exactly* the whole point?

heh

I dont know every person I talk to seems to have a different opinion on what the point is.

personally I'd consider it like the 4th of July in cinema releases

you never get a good film on the 4th of july. You get sh*t, you always get sh*t, so you skip the 4th of july and go a week or two afterwards (when you'll get awesome like the dark knight)

Mossy Monk · 16-12-2009 7:07pm

peanuthead wrote: »

I actually like this song tbh.

Did I suggest you or anyone else didn't?

WarZoneBrother · 16-12-2009 8:43pm

LMAO AT THIS:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20091216/tuk-betting-suspended-on-christmas-no1-6323e80.html

Rage against the machine for christmas number 1

Comments