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Am I Irish?

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  • #92
    cruiser178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    As a matter of curiosity: how's "cruiser" in Gealic?
    cursoir would be it ,and should be fada over u and o.thank you


  • #93
    cruiser178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    cursoir would be it ,and should be fada over u and o.thank you
    i'll be here all night:D


  • #94
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    Alright, tell me what you wanna hear, I tell you everything just leave me alone :)

    No chance, not when you haven't specified what your view is.


    Lets go again. So Original Poster, what is your view.


  • #95
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    thank you
    What for?


  • #96
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    Abigayle wrote: »
    No chance, not when you haven't specified what your view is.


    Lets go again. So Original Poster, what is your view.
    No, no... no..No. Please tell me when I wake up this morning she turns to be a bad dream.........


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  • #97
    ION08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ION08


    Yeah so basically the point you made earlier about

    "your either irish or your not. none of this having 2 passports/nationality crap, only one passport !"

    Was total crap, which you admitted. Thats basically all I was trying to get at.


  • #98
    koHd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭koHd


    If you have an Irish accent I pretty much see you as Irish to be honest. As weird as that is it's true for me. And of course a person could have picked up an accent in 2 years and not officially be Irish but I'd still relate to them as Irish becuase they sound Irish. And on the other side a guy could be here 10 years and not got the accent but have citizenship but my gut reaction is they're not Irish. Makes little sense. But just an honest answer to the OP's question.


  • #99
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    ION08 wrote: »
    At the end of the day "IRISH" is a nationality. You you have an Irish Passport and open it up, you will see that under NATIONALITY, it says IRISH.

    Which is the exact point im making,

    what the hell is your problem ?

    thats what i've being pretty much saying the whole time.

    and i admitted noting and stand by what i said


  • #100
    cruiser178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    As a matter of curiosity: how's "cruiser" in Gealic?
    my spelling in irish is bad but yours is worse.]quote gealic],what you trying to say here?:D


  • #101
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    and your second name latchy is ??
    An Irish policeman ..no wait ..an english policeman wouldn't ask me that .

    Not if I tell him I have the ol swine flu










    I haven't


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  • #102
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    my spelling in irish is bad but yours is worse.]quote gealic],what you trying to say here?:D
    I admit - it's terrible indeed. I always wanted to learn some though, I don't think I'll be successful. It's very hard, however pronunciation wouldn't be a problem I guess.


  • #103
    ION08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ION08


    At the end of the day "IRISH" is a NATIONALITY.

    If you have an Irish Passport, be it by just being born here, by being born here descendant from a long line or Irish ancestors (as that seems to make all the difference :rolleyes:) or by Naturalisation.
    Open up your passport and you will see that under NATIONALITY, it says IRISH.

    Therefore YOU ARE IRISH IF YOU HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT, end of.

    What people are debating here is not Irish Nationality per se, but rather Irish Patriotism or being an Irish Nationalist.

    NATIONALITY and NATIONALISM are 2 totally different things


  • #104
    cruiser178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    Latchy wrote: »
    An Irish policeman ..no wait ..an english policeman wouldn't ask me that .

    Not if I tell him I have the ol swine flu


    i think you could be wrong....haha:D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055760321....







  • #105
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    No, no... no..No. Please tell me when I wake up this morning she turns to be a bad dream.........

    If you're hoping to get away with the 'whats your view' question, I'm your beautiful fucking nightmare.


  • #106
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    Abigayle wrote: »
    If you're hoping to get away with the 'whats your view' question, I'm your beautiful fucking nightmare.
    Can we move it out of the thread? PM maybe?


  • #107
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    how long ago was that ?

    if your born here and your parents werent it does not make you irish.

    the government stopped that !

    it now must be irish roots etc.

    no more of that your born here therefore your irish crap, its gone
    robbie_998 wrote: »
    is that not what i said in a nut shell ?

    if your born here but you parents weren't then your not irish

    basically your parents and parents parents must be in someway irish or have irish roots,

    You don't see the difference.

    Scenario No. 1 -> Parents are here a grand total of 2 days before el sprog comes out so the kid is automatically Irish and they won't be deported as the government won't separate a kid from its parents. This was stopped in 2004/5.

    Scenario No. 2 -> A kid born here since 1st January 2005 now has to prove that one or more parents are Irish OR were living here LEGALLY for five years prior to their birth (and therefore naturalized) in which case the child would be entitled to apply for citizenship but would not AUTOMATICALLY be a citizen.

    That's my understanding of it, correct me if I'm wrong.
    ION08 wrote: »
    Therefore YOU ARE IRISH IF YOU HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT

    Not really. More like you're Irish if you are ELIGIBLE to hold an Irish passport.
    ION08 wrote: »
    NATIONALITY and NATIONALISM are 2 totally different things

    Completely agree. An Irish nationalist is not necessarily an Irish national and vice versa.


  • #108
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    Can we move it out of the thread? PM maybe?

    I'd ruin you.


    Air it out there Phil.. I like to debate.


  • #109
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    Abigayle wrote: »
    I'd ruin you.


    Air it out there Phil.. I like to debate.
    No... It can't be happening...

    PM or nothing. I will not satisfy your fantasies in public.


  • #110
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    I've actually never wanted to be an AH mod until now.


  • #111
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    sdonn wrote: »
    You don't see the difference.

    Scenario No. 1 -> Parents are here a grand total of 2 days before el sprog comes out so the kid is automatically Irish and they won't be deported as the government won't separate a kid from its parents. This was stopped in 2004/5.

    Scenario No. 2 -> A kid born here since 1st January 2005 now has to prove that one or more parents are Irish OR were living here LEGALLY for five years prior to their birth (and therefore naturalized) in which case the child would be entitled to apply for citizenship but would not AUTOMATICALLY be a citizen.

    Scenario No. 1 = before the thing was brought in that was the case but after that it no longer work like that so none of them are irish full stop.

    Scenario No. 2 = if they dont have irish parents then they should not be able to claim to be irish.


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  • #112
    cruiser178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    No... It can't be happening...

    PM or nothing. I will not satisfy your fantasies in public.
    go on phil go for it,,,oh wait you cant


  • #113
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    No... It can't be happening...

    PM or nothing. I will not satisfy your fantasies in public.

    I would advise PM.


  • #114
    Dr_Phil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    you cant

    Surely you're the one who knows best.

    @ sharpshooter - so I thought..


  • #115
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    i think you could be wrong....haha:D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055760321....
    Atually I have being hearing of this recent strange activity involving the Irish police were they pull people into a car , just for the craic sake of it :pac:

    till I realised it's nothing new :D


  • #116
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    Scenario No. 1 = before the thing was brought in that was the case but after that it no longer work like that so none of them are irish full stop.

    Scenario No. 2 = if they dont have irish parents then they should not be able to claim to be irish.

    Is there something lodged somewhere preventing you from understanding this?

    That's NOT the case. I explained to you what happens as far as I understand it - I was helping you out, not asking for clarification. They aren't just "not Irish full stop" - legally they still can be in certain circumstances, and of that I am certain.


  • #117
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    sdonn wrote: »
    Is there something lodged somewhere preventing you from understanding this?

    That's NOT the case. I explained to you what happens as far as I understand it - I was helping you out, not asking for clarification. They aren't just "not Irish full stop" - legally they still can be in certain circumstances, and of that I am certain.

    i was saying you were right but after 2005 when it was brought in it was only extreme cases that you'd be considered irish,

    and i never actually heard of them


  • #118
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    ION08 wrote: »
    ( and that you also cant read properly and seem a bit intelectually challanged)

    good god, i love/hate the internet


  • #119
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    when your second name IS IRISH,when your grandparents tell you your family history like mine did...my second name is mannion..then you know your irish.

    The irony being that most of the same Irish people then use the English versions of said Irish names. Doesn't sound very Irish to me given that this is a standard for Irishness.


  • #120
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    Quick question, as a foreigner: when do you consider a person to be Irish:

    1. When has an Irish citizensip
    2. Was born in Ireland
    3. Born in Ireland from Irish parents, who were born from Irish parents, etc, etc..
    4. Is just well integrated into society and the lifestyle


    Cheers.

    For me mere integration is enough. Although, as more differing people move to Ireland, what is "Irish" will change as the demographics change. That's only a sensical notion. What is Irish now was much different than say in D.P Moran's time (19th century - early 20th) when he defined being Irish as being "Catholic, an Irish speaker, and someone who plays GAA". This view would have been held by much more than him at the time.

    Now as time has moved on, we realise that those criteria might have been far too narrow.


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  • #121
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    mannion is not english,do you actully know anything about irish/english names?

    Alas, Cruiser, it is English, just as Murphy, O'Brien and all the rest are English names, given by the English to Irish people whose names they didn't like - what Edward Said might have called the coloniser's need to control the representation of the natives by changing their names. Anybody going around using the name the English gave their family is, well, not in exactly a strong position to contend that their surname is a sign of their Irishness.

    Ó Mainnín, on the other hand, is very much an Irish name. No self-serving selective guide to Irishness there. The real deal.


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