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MPEG4 tests - Not a Public Service

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  • #452
    givecredit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭givecredit


    Now that 3e has changed its status will we see it on the free to air Public service mux?

    TV3 CEO, David McRedmond said, “We are very pleased by SKY’s decision to move 3e to a prime position on their EPG. This reflects the change of the status of 3e to a public service channel."


  • #453
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    givecredit wrote: »
    Now that 3e has changed its status will we see it on the free to air Public service mux?

    TV3 CEO, David McRedmond said, “We are very pleased by SKY’s decision to move 3e to a prime position on their EPG. This reflects the change of the status of 3e to a public service channel."

    Lol, I needed a laugh.......
    3e a public service channel?
    Its more akin to ITV Ireland +1 (with the addition of a shedload of US muck)

    Sky's decision is doubtless as a result of the ongoing discussions with Channel 6- prior to it being subsumed into the TV3 umbrella. It was not proposed to have it on the PS mux at that stage- so what has changed in the interim?

    Why should ITV Ireland be on a public service mux?


  • #454
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    :confused:
    Can anyone tell me if RTE has been using MPEG4 continuously since the middle of August last and that they did not revert to MPEG2 at any stage.
    My Panasonic TX-P42G10 did display all the channels incl. text for the first few weeks, but When RTENL changed their transmission spec I lost the channels, fair enough but when I contacted Panasonic UK and they say their UK models do not and will not support DVB-T MPEG4 standard.
    If this is so what was I viewing for the three weeks or is that Panasonic don't seem to know the spec of their own products!

    Thanks for any replies.


  • #455
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    RTENL didn't change anything at the mpeg method. You lost the irish channels after auto setup for retuning the dvb channels. RTENL changed back the service type to 0x16 for the irish channels and the channel scan at the UK Panasonics is not willing to accept channels with such a service type. You can read the whole story in the "ALL TV channels missing" thread.
    Btw did you update to 1.612 at your G10B?


  • #456
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,012 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    When did TV3 return?


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  • #457
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    MYOB wrote: »
    When did TV3 return?

    See post #17 here


  • #458
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,012 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Appears to be a total digital outage on 3R* tonight, absolutely nothing on aertel 169 about works though. I've never bothered tuning analogue on this TV so trying that now!

    *Or, erm, Kippure possibly - 794Mhz...


  • #459
    mjsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭mjsmyth


    I was wondering what was going on... Getting nothing from Kippure either.

    Mind you, my PlayTV seems to be acting up tonight...


  • #460
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,012 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Well I'm getting *too* strong VHF (had to put a 6dB attenuator inline for RTE2, RTE1 is grand) off Kippure and decent UHF analogue off there also; and watchable UHF analogue off 3R.


  • #461
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    MYOB wrote: »
    Well I'm getting *too* strong VHF (had to put a 6dB attenuator inline for RTE2, RTE1 is grand) off Kippure and decent UHF analogue off there also; and watchable UHF analogue off 3R.

    Watchable UHF from 3R? Absolutely appalling here- rather ironically other than on TV3........ I'm going to have to ignore terrestrial and go to satellite, thank god for Freesat.........


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  • #462
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,012 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Watchable UHF from 3R? Absolutely appalling here- rather ironically other than on TV3........ I'm going to have to ignore terrestrial and go to satellite, thank god for Freesat.........

    I'm from west Donegal, my idea of watchable and everyone elses may differ slightly!

    FreesatHD box sitting sideways beside the TV for when it gets particularly bad, though...


  • #463
    parasite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭parasite


    is it down for everyone right now ?


  • #464
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    parasite wrote: »
    is it down for everyone right now ?
    As at 12:15 it's ok from Three Rock and Greystones relay. RTE1/2, TV3 all ok. TG4 is showing a testcard, but no audio data. The RTENL test channel has no video or audio data, but the service information is present.


  • #465
    craoltoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭craoltoir


    TG4 was showing test card last night. Also no RnaG.


  • #466
    Frisian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Frisian


    Truskmore is back to normal after picture was freezing last night. On TG4 still test card, though.


  • #467
    parasite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭parasite


    must have just been Spur Hill then, I was getting scan errors/incomplete PAT, but it's back now


  • #468
    SRB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭SRB


    fat-tony wrote: »
    As at 12:15 it's ok from Three Rock and Greystones relay. RTE1/2, TV3 all ok. TG4 is showing a testcard, but no audio data. The RTENL test channel has no video or audio data, but the service information is present.

    It's now flagged as "advanced codec HD digital television" - wondered what that new Test Card was all about, lol.


  • #469
    Souriau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    SRB wrote: »
    It's now flagged as "advanced codec HD digital television" - wondered what that new Test Card was all about, lol.

    Cairn Hill, UHF 47
    I am getting RTE1, RTE2 and TV3 in clear SD MPEG and TG4 is also clear but just a test card.
    Now I am getting RTENL Test channel in HD MPEG but nothing is showing, just no signal at this moment.
    I am looking forward to see the HD transmission as my TV is Full HD 1080i compatiable and have not seen HD on DTT yet


  • #470
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Souriau wrote: »
    Cairn Hill, UHF 47
    I am getting RTE1, RTE2 and TV3 in clear SD MPEG and TG4 is also clear but just a test card.
    Now I am getting RTENL Test channel in HD MPEG but nothing is showing, just no signal at this moment.
    I am looking forward to see the HD transmission as my TV is Full HD 1080i compatiable and have not seen HD on DTT yet

    Slightly O/T but isn't 1080i HD 'Ready' as opposed to full HD (which should be a progressive rather than an interlaced signal?


  • #471
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,161 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Slightly O/T but isn't 1080i HD 'Ready' as opposed to full HD (which should be a progressive rather than an interlaced signal?

    HD Ready usually describes a 1366x768 panel which downscales 1080i/1080p and slightly upscales 720p


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  • #472
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Slightly O/T but isn't 1080i HD 'Ready' as opposed to full HD (which should be a progressive rather than an interlaced signal?

    There's no such thing as a 1080i TV. Even if there was it would still be classed as a "Full HD" as 1080i and 1080p display the same amount of detail (resolution wise).

    Anyway it's all marketing bollocks, there's negligible difference in viewing quality sitting 10 feet away between a "HD Ready" 720p TV and a "Full HD" 1080p TV.

    If you swear by the quality difference, it's usually a case that the 1080p model has a higher spec in terms of contrast ratio, representation of blacks etc.


  • #473
    netwhizkid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    Bob_Harris wrote: »
    There's no such thing as a 1080i TV. Even if there was it would still be classed as a "Full HD" as 1080i and 1080p display the same amount of detail (resolution wise).

    Anyway it's all marketing bollocks, there's negligible difference in viewing quality sitting 10 feet away between a "HD Ready" 720p TV and a "Full HD" 1080p TV.

    If you swear by the quality difference, it's usually a case that the 1080p model has a higher spec in terms of contrast ratio, representation of blacks etc.

    The persons eyesight actually is the biggest differential factor, I have 1080p TV but when standing back there is no difference as I am short sighted, however when I put on my glasses there is one hell of a difference. I joked with my friend once I am SD without my specs and HD with them on! The smaller the TV size also the less noticeable between 720p and 1080p


  • #474
    kah22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭kah22


    Hi Guys I've search back about ten pages and cant find the answer to my question but I'm sure it has been answered.

    From the wee North I receive a pretty decent analogue picture, via claremount cairn, from all the Republics stations. When I switch to digital it's sound only. I recognize, however, that that's because the UK is using mpeg2 while the Republic is trialling/testing mpeg4

    So the question is this. Are their any digi boxes currently available that will decode the mpeg4 signal from the Irish broadcasters and the mpeg2 signal from the UK broadcasters?

    Am I jumping to conclusions when I think that mpeg4 will also decode mpeg2?

    I'm also interested in getting hold of a PVR, but again it would have to be one that decodes both versions of mpeg.

    Somewhere in the dark recess of my memory I read that humax had some sort of trial digi box going the rounds down South. Anyone?

    It seems to be a vicious circle RTE won't announce when their trials have ended and the digi box manufacturers won't release any boxes until they are sure what way RTE is going to go as regards its digital television. How do you guys, down South, work around this?

    Any advice appreciated


  • #475
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    kah22 wrote: »
    Hi Guys I've search back about ten pages and cant find the answer to my question but I'm sure it has been answered.

    From the wee North I receive a pretty decent analogue picture, via claremount cairn, from all the Republics stations. When I switch to digital it's sound only. I recognize, however, that that's because the UK is using mpeg2 while the Republic is trialling/testing mpeg4

    So the question is this. Are their any digi boxes currently available that will decode the mpeg4 signal from the Irish broadcasters and the mpeg2 signal from the UK broadcasters?

    Am I jumping to conclusions when I think that mpeg4 will also decode mpeg2?

    I'm also interested in getting hold of a PVR, but again it would have to be one that decodes both versions of mpeg.

    Somewhere in the dark recess of my memory I read that humax had some sort of trial digi box going the rounds down South. Anyone?

    It seems to be a vicious circle RTE won't announce when their trials have ended and the digi box manufacturers won't release any boxes until they are sure what way RTE is going to go as regards its digital television. How do you guys, down South, work around this?

    Any advice appreciated

    Go to Currys and get a Picnic box, it does both.


  • #476
    netwhizkid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Go to Currys and get a Picnic box, it does both.

    Any MPEG4 box should do both, considering especially that most SD is in MP2 and all HD stuff is in MP4. Some of the new UK DTT HD boxes should also in theory do it but they are moving to DVB-T2 but surely should also receive the DVB-T transmission aswell as the new HD transmissions in Mpeg4 via DVB-T2, presumably the chipset that decodes MPEG4 for DVB-T2 will also work with good ol' DVB-T.


  • #477
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    netwhizkid wrote: »
    Any MPEG4 box should do both, considering especially that most SD is in MP2 and all HD stuff is in MP4. Some of the new UK DTT HD boxes should also in theory do it but they are moving to DVB-T2 but surely should also receive the DVB-T transmission aswell as the new HD transmissions in Mpeg4 via DVB-T2, presumably the chipset that decodes MPEG4 for DVB-T2 will also work with good ol' DVB-T.

    There is standard definition MPEG2 and standard definition MPEG4.

    UK Freeview is MPEG2 at the moment and is indeed in SD. Irish DTT is in MPEG4 and again is in SD. MPEG4 does not necessarily mean HD. Some boxes exist that do only SD MPEG4. The Picnic box is only a SD box but is MPEG4.

    MPEG4 hardware can decode MPEG2. MPEG2 obviously cant decode MPEG4.

    Likewise with DVB-T2. It can decode DVB-T signals. But DVB-T cant decode DVB-T2 signals.

    THe digi box manufacturers have known the Irish spec for some time. So do the retailers It has been published. There is no box manufactured to the Irish Spec as yet. Most people interested in FTA or getting a jump on FTA have been getting around this by having the basic requirements ie MPEG4 DVB-T tuners either through their TV or through a MPEG4 Combo box(DVB-S/DVB-T) or through a French HD box or through the Picnic box.


  • #478
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Presumably the STB (due for release sometime next year) which have been designed for the new HD Freeview service due to be launched next month will be ideal for our service. BTT-2, Mpeg4, MHEG5, plus all our other requirements.
    And should get BBC HD for those on the East coast, [Prisseli; LLandonna] and the Northern overspill areas (although the Northern will not be HD for some time).

    Interesting times. Who would launch a DTT service without any hardware capable of receiving it?


  • #479
    mrdtv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭mrdtv


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Presumably the STB (due for release sometime next year) which have been designed for the new HD Freeview service due to be launched next month will be ideal for our service. BTT-2, Mpeg4, MHEG5, plus all our other requirements.
    And should get BBC HD for those on the East coast, [Prisseli; LLandonna] and the Northern overspill areas (although the Northern will not be HD for some time).

    Interesting times. Who would launch a DTT service without any hardware capable of receiving it?

    Very probably. Note that Freeview HD will be transmitted from Arfon, Blaen-Plwyf, Llanddona and Preseli from next year. Next week analogue is being turned off completely at Arfon and LLanddona. It is very likely that the T2 zapper boxes will be designed with other markets in mind where DVB-T1 MPEG4 is already in use eg Scandinavia. The longer RTE leaves it to launch the more T2 enters the fray since you can transmit 40 Mb/s in an 8Mhz UHF channel (as they are planning to do in the UK) rather than 24 Mb/s in DVB-T1.


  • #480
    parasite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭parasite


    recently, RTÉ 1 have been broadcasting in 544x576, is that a significant drop in picture detail etc. ?


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  • #481
    kah22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭kah22


    If I buy a Freeview HD Ready television, with built in Freeview - like the ones Samsung and Sony are producing at the moment - can I assume that they will receive the digital signal from the RoI (assuming I'm in range of course, which I am).

    Kevin
    Armagh City

    any recommendations on TV's I'm interested in a 32 inch


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