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RTÉ DTT Tests: Mullaghanish

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Speaking of new sites, are there still plans for a main transmitter at Kilduff?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭slegs


    MYOB wrote: »
    Its not particularly easy to just move a mast, particularly not one thats likely life expired at this stage! "new site" would require land purchase, planning permission, power, data links, frequency alignment, etc, so isn't going to happen anyway.

    The cost isnt in the actual mast anyway its in the commisioning and building of the site along with all the items above. Probably cheaper to erect a new custom designed mast on a new site than shoehorn an old mast into a new site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,747 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Karsini wrote: »
    Speaking of new sites, are there still plans for a main transmitter at Kilduff?

    Planning permission was granted in Aug 2008 (http://www.tipperarynorth.ie/eplan40/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=08510670)
    Tender notice was published at the end of Mar 2009 (http://www.e-tenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAR116067, http://www.rte.ie/about/tenders/kilduff/) with an estimated work start date of Jun 1st and completion date Jul 17th. Don't know if the tender was awarded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭More Music


    The old mast will be dismantled section by section. There won't be a day when they just flick a switch and start using the new one. Services will be relocated to the new mast on a phased basis according to a schedule.

    For most operators that means new feeder cable, link dishes and transmit antenna. As services are moved they will start switching them on. When all services have been relocated they will then start stripping the old one and dismantling it.

    The old mast will not be re-used. It was built in 1963.

    Some operators on site include:

    RTE TV & Radio
    DTT Mux Operator
    TG4
    TV3
    Today FM
    Newstalk
    Radio Kerry
    02
    Vodafone
    Meteor
    Eircom
    Irish Broadband
    Permanet
    ESB
    Defence Forces
    Emergency Services
    Amatuer Radio
    Civil Aviation Authority


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭Antenna


    I was informed that RTE Radio 1 ( 9O.O ) was off from Mullaghanish for a spell today sometime before midday - was obviously not related to the mast work as other radio services were still on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭Apogee


    More Music wrote: »
    Some operators on site include:

    [snip]

    I notice driving through Baile Bhúirne that some of the houses have microwave aerials pointed in the direction of the mast. I'm fairly sure that they are for television, as they have small downconverters dangling off the cable - typical half-arsed installation - whereas the microwave aerials used for internet tend to have much larger transceivers firmly bolted onto the aerial.

    Do Chorus use Mullaghanish?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭More Music


    I haven't noticed those aerials you mentioned.

    What type/shape? Mesh, solid, yagi. Rectangular, square etc...?

    Chorus do not use Mullaghanish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭Apogee


    More Music wrote: »
    I haven't noticed those aerials you mentioned.

    You obviously don't spend as much time looking up at chimneys as I do :)

    Standard MMDS type 2.6GHz aerials. Took these driving through yesterday evening, bit dark so quality isn't great. Second one is on top of the Mills Inn. You can see they are aligned with the VHF/UHF aerials.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭More Music


    As you say they are identical to the Chorus ones. Chorus are 100% not on Mullaghanish.

    I have seen those aerials used by Permanet before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭Apogee


    I've seen the Permanet ones too, but their up-/downconverter unit is very different.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Apogee wrote: »
    I've seen the Permanet ones too, but their up-/downconverter unit is very different.

    My parents have a Permanet aerial on their roof, since I'm down here I can provide a pic tomorrow if you like.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Permanet aerial directed towards Knockanore, Co. Kerry. Note the large transceiver on the top of the mast. Also a VHF log periodic for Mullaghanish and a UHF C/D contract yagi for Maghera.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭dowtchaboy


    based on recent experience with a laptop and USB stick DVB-T tuner could I suggest if you live in East Cork ie anywhere from Dunkettle Roundabout to Youghal - you might be better aiming your antenna at Mount Leinster and tuning in 666MHz.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 dugganb


    dowtchaboy wrote: »
    based on recent experience with a laptop and USB stick DVB-T tuner could I suggest if you live in East Cork ie anywhere from Dunkettle Roundabout to Youghal - you might be better aiming your antenna at Mount Leinster and tuning in 666MHz.


    I think that's Spur Hill in Cork you are picking up,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭dowtchaboy


    dugganb wrote: »
    I think that's Spur Hill in Cork you are picking up,
    Maybe - I was surprised to pick it up to be honest - but the frequency I set in VLC was 666000KHz - which is Mount Leinster as far as I know. Could someone post up the frequency for Spur Hill (and Collins Barracks)?
    Also - if it were Spur Hill - wouldn't it get stronger after going through the Tunnel toward Douglas?
    I must take an hour or two and drive close to Spur Hill etc and try a retune. In Crosshaven we seem to be in a black hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭Antenna


    dowtchaboy wrote: »
    Maybe - I was surprised to pick it up to be honest - but the frequency I set in VLC was 666000KHz - which is Mount Leinster as far as I know. Could someone post up the frequency for Spur Hill (and Collins Barracks)?
    Also - if it were Spur Hill - wouldn't it get stronger after going through the Tunnel toward Douglas?
    I must take an hour or two and drive close to Spur Hill etc and try a retune. In Crosshaven we seem to be in a black hole.

    Yes 666 MHz ( ch 45) is Spur Hill DTT (as well as M.L.)
    Some parts of Douglas would be very shadowed by the terrain in between. On the other hand you can see the red light on top of Spur Hill mast on the N25 whilst driving when at least 15 miles away to the east
    There is no DTT from Collins Barracks mast AFAIK

    In Crosshaven you would likely be able to get DTT with a good rooftop or attic aerial depending exactly where you are, if desperate. Most likely from Mullaghanish 474 MHz Ch21 (horizontal), another possibility might be Dungarvan 802MHz Ch62 (also horizontal) if you're blocked from Mullaghanish.

    BTW The RTE mast in Crosshaven is planned to use the same channel(s) as Spur Hill for DTT, but that is not active for DTT as of now.

    BTW I'd prefer if frequencies for DTT were listed here in MHz , not kHz :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭dowtchaboy


    Thanks Antenna.
    Crosshaven is a problem area - TV3 never installed the transmitter at the local fill-in site so those of us on the chore facing North can't get it (mind you with the total drivel that is TV3/ITV1 I don't really mind!). Some folks further along The Point get it from over Cobh direction, others seem to be aimed at Midleton - maybe they are getting it from South Coast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 fuzionzone


    Hi, Can anyone tell me if a Digital Signal on Ch21 is broadcastging from Mullaghanish ?

    I am in Tralee and have been getting no digital signal for over 3 weeks.

    Any infos would be appreciated ? - Many thanks - FZ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭Antenna


    dowtchaboy wrote: »
    Thanks Antenna.
    Crosshaven is a problem area - TV3 never installed the transmitter at the local fill-in site so those of us on the chore facing North can't get it (mind you with the total drivel that is TV3/ITV1 I don't really mind!). Some folks further along The Point get it from over Cobh direction, others seem to be aimed at Midleton - maybe they are getting it from South Coast.

    Unlike some 'deflectors' in the West of Ireland who do transmit TV3 where needed, South Coast does not do so on UHF.

    If viewers in the areas you mention are getting TV3 by aiming aerial in a strange direction, its probably a signal reflection off the Aghada power station


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭Antenna


    fuzionzone wrote: »
    Hi, Can anyone tell me if a Digital Signal on Ch21 is broadcastging from Mullaghanish ?

    I am in Tralee and have been getting no digital signal for over 3 weeks.

    Any infos would be appreciated ? - Many thanks - FZ

    its still on but I think might be on reduced power.

    what is your reception of analogue TV3 (from Mullaghanish) on Ch 27 like?


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Denethor


    Just installed a LG 42PQ2000 and the Digital tests are coming through here in Tralee, there seems to be a lip sync problem with RTE 1 its only slight just noticed it on the 9 o'clock news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Denethor wrote: »
    Just installed a LG 42PQ2000 and the Digital tests are coming through here in Tralee, there seems to be a lip sync problem with RTE 1 its only slight just noticed it on the 9 o'clock news

    Mullaganish DTT tests down since last night ( all tv & radio ). Are other regions still on ? First time in a long long time that Mullaganish DTT has been completely switched off . :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭craoltoir


    All channels OK this morning from 3Rock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Rippy


    Confirm Mullaganish down since last night. Spur Hill OK.Maybe to do with changing TXs to the new mast.(speculation).
    I should have an answer tomorrow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Denethor


    galtee boy wrote: »
    Mullaganish DTT tests down since last night ( all tv & radio ). Are other regions still on ? First time in a long long time that Mullaganish DTT has been completely switched off . :confused:

    Feck it, was planning on getting the DTT sorted on the Windows 7 Media Center today


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    any update RIPPY?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭acalmenvoy


    Denethor wrote: »
    Just installed a LG 42PQ2000 and the Digital tests are coming through here in Tralee, there seems to be a lip sync problem with RTE 1 its only slight just noticed it on the 9 o'clock news

    Hey, I just got this TV, can I recieve DTV with it, I'm in limerick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    TheDriver wrote: »
    any update RIPPY?

    Mullaghanish is still down for me in Kerry!


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Denethor


    acalmenvoy wrote: »
    Hey, I just got this TV, can I recieve DTV with it, I'm in limerick.

    the TV is certainly capable of getting the DTT tests, it tuned in the Digital channels straight away for me no hassle with aerials etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Denethor


    netwhizkid wrote: »
    Mullaghanish is still down for me in Kerry!

    same here, nothing here in Tralee, no digital for the weekend


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭tipperary


    Hi all

    Just for info, I am getting digital from Mullaghanish in Crosshaven (coutesty of Rippy!). I did have to do a retune last week though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    tipperary wrote: »
    Hi all

    Just for info, I am getting digital from Mullaghanish in Crosshaven (coutesty of Rippy!). I did have to do a retune last week though.

    I could be wrong, but I suspect your getting digital from Spur Hill and not Mullaganish, as CH21 from Mullaganish has been and still is off air since midweek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Rippy


    TheDriver wrote: »
    any update RIPPY?

    Sorry folks, the man who was supposed to get back to me never did......
    really think it is to do with swapping to the new mast though.
    All the rain would not be helping.

    RTE NL = secret squirrels!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Rippy


    tipperary wrote: »
    Hi all

    Just for info, I am getting digital from Mullaghanish in Crosshaven (coutesty of Rippy!). I did have to do a retune last week though.

    you may just about be getting Spur Hill on ch45 where you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭More Music


    Rippy wrote: »
    Sorry folks, the man who was supposed to get back to me never did......
    really think it is to do with swapping to the new mast though.
    All the rain would not be helping.

    RTE NL = secret squirrels!

    Hi Rippy,

    New mast has nothing to do with DTT being off air for prolonged periods. The new mast isn't going to be live until next Spring at the earliest. There are occasions when services have needed power reductions but it hasn't been necessary to completely switch off any service yet.

    The DTT test excuse is most likely. They don't want people relying on it as their main source just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Rippy


    More Music wrote: »
    Hi Rippy,

    New mast has nothing to do with DTT being off air for prolonged periods. The new mast isn't going to be live until next Spring at the earliest. There are occasions when services have needed power reductions but it hasn't been necessary to completely switch off any service yet.

    The DTT test excuse is most likely. They don't want people relying on it as their main source just yet.

    Thanks , you are probaly right about mast switching, is too soon, it was speculation, as I pointed out.

    I did ask a RTE NL representative at a trade meeting whether there was any policy to deliberately interrupt the tests to stop people relying on them as a de facto full service, he denied it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Rippy


    Received info. this morning that outage is due to a cooling issue.
    New cooling system being installed this week , this be operational by Friday.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Rippy wrote: »
    Received info. this morning that outage is due to a cooling issue.
    New cooling system being installed this week , this be operational by Friday.:D

    Thanks Rippy, will be nice to have it back.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    that must be some cooling system. In fairness to RTE, they seem to be letting it run for us when they can!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Rippy wrote: »
    Received info. this morning that outage is due to a cooling issue.
    New cooling system being installed this week , this be operational by Friday.:D

    Rippy, any update on this ? still no DTT from Mullaganish (heading for two weeks off air soon ).I know it's been a bad week, weather wise, so I suppose that didn't help. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Mullaghanish DTT back today, albeit without TG4 ( test card ) and Radio Na Gaeltachta silent also. There will be further interuptions to DTT from Mullaghanish between 16th and 30th November, due to ongoing mast work. This information has come from RTE NL, who I must say are very good to reply to emails etc and I do think they realise that a lot of people are watching the DTT pictures, but their hands are tied, as regards to a proper launch of the service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    Mullaghanish is also back for me, RNAG, TG4 and Lyric are off air though. My signal is being interfered with by wind turbines though (and is pixalated and unwatchable) so I hope they get the new higher mast up and increase output power soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 fuzionzone


    Hi, I lost DTT reception in Tralee on Ch21 back in late September.
    I understand that Mullaghanish was broadcasting on low power thereafter.
    The I undersand the DTT transmitter was down due to cooling issues.
    Late november & I'm still getting no DTT signal in Tralee from Mullaghanish.
    Can anyone confirm if its still broadcasting DTT on low power ? Regards,FZ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    fuzionzone wrote: »
    Hi, I lost DTT reception in Tralee on Ch21 back in late September.
    I understand that Mullaghanish was broadcasting on low power thereafter.
    The I undersand the DTT transmitter was down due to cooling issues.
    Late november & I'm still getting no DTT signal in Tralee from Mullaghanish.
    Can anyone confirm if its still broadcasting DTT on low power ? Regards,FZ

    My TV detected new channels the other day and retuned itself automatcially, maybe try a retune.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    fuzionzone wrote: »
    Hi, I lost DTT reception in Tralee on Ch21 back in late September.
    I understand that Mullaghanish was broadcasting on low power thereafter.
    The I undersand the DTT transmitter was down due to cooling issues.
    Late november & I'm still getting no DTT signal in Tralee from Mullaghanish.
    Can anyone confirm if its still broadcasting DTT on low power ? Regards,FZ

    Since last Friday, "full service" as in the four tv channels plus test card and the four radio stations has been restored from Mullaghanish. All I can tell you, is that the signal strength bar on my tv had been reading approx 7 out of 10, but since last Friday, it's back to 10 out of 10 and I'm approx 50 miles from Mullaghanish as the crow flies and was getting perfect reception even at 7 out of 10. As previously said, try rescan DTT on your tv or box again. I don't see why you shouldn't get perfect reception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    same here, all back grand and strong!


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭jimmyjim11


    fuzionzone wrote: »
    Hi, I lost DTT reception in Tralee on Ch21 back in late September.
    I understand that Mullaghanish was broadcasting on low power thereafter.
    The I undersand the DTT transmitter was down due to cooling issues.
    Late november & I'm still getting no DTT signal in Tralee from Mullaghanish.
    Can anyone confirm if its still broadcasting DTT on low power ? Regards,FZ

    Was able only to pick signal intermittently before the cooling upgrade mostly in the mornings :confused: now getting all channels perfect , Test channel says is in HD :confused: in Abbeyfeale area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Two more mux's fired up today from Mullaghanish, channels 24 and 25. Getting 10 out of 10 signal strength and quality, but no audio or video being transmitted as of yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    15 services now on Ch21 from Mulla (dito for Ch45 from Spur)

    Additional radio services have been added
    2XF
    Radio 1 extra
    rte pulse
    rte gold
    rte junior
    and some others


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    hi i get a slightly snowy picture on my uhf tv3 picture and poor vhf rte1 and 2from mullaghanish. how good a picture will i get from dtt when it launches. my arial pionts through some trees also. im 30 miles from the site.


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