Hate the English??

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 04:04PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

That's actually a really good idea. A big ceremony could be arranged (Without Britain knowing its true intent) preferable at a time when all the European leaders were meeting in Dublin.

Could you imagine the Brits faces if our leader just launched into a speech in front of the world saying how " Ireland forgave them for years of oppression, state sponsored terrorism, genocide etc etc etc... The speech could go on for about ten minutes as the English squirmed...genius...

I like your style

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Since independance, this country has elected pretty much every term, the same uselss, corrupt party into power who, for a large part of this time, has been heavily influenced by the church.

it suits this government nicely that the populace hate the British and blame them for everything that has ever gone wrong, it takes the focus off them while they rob you blind.

I think that the second quote here is reason enough for the first quote to be a little dubious, in that the Irish Government and the Catholic church would also have to apologise for the wrongs inflicted by themselves on the Irish population. Off course the government would only have to apologise for the past 80 odd years, whereas the holier-than-thoughs would have a lot more grovelling and snivelling to do.

Then they can go and forgive who the hell they like, if there's any spare time available.

Latchy · 08-10-2009 04:11PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think that the second quote here is reason enough for the first quote to be a little dubious, in that the Irish Government and the Catholic church would also have to apologise for the wrongs inflicted by themselves on the Irish population. Off course the government would only have to apologise for the past 80 odd years, whereas the holier-than-thoughs would have a lot more grovelling and snivelling to do.

Then they can go and forgive who the hell they like, if there's any spare time available.

Indeed slightly of topic but why look across the irish sea when the devil is living on your own doorstep ?

ih8northsiders · 08-10-2009 04:13PM

nope just northsiders

Rondolfus · 08-10-2009 04:18PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

you keep hating us mate, but there are far more important things for the Irish to worry about tbh.

I don't hate English people. I just don't like the type of English person that lack cultural sensitivity. As you mentioned , Britain had a very large Empire. And like all Empires it left a trail destruction and discontent behind it. So as you can imagine, in certain parts of the world ,overt displays of pride in the British Empire will not be welcomed or accepted.

It doesn't do the English cause any favours when they travel abroad chanting and singing about this "empire" with little knowledge about the history of the place they are in. I was in Berlin for the last world cup and withnessed a huge crowd of English fans singing "I'd rather be a Paki than a Kraut." These are the type of English I don't like, and sadly these are the English that are giving the nation a bad reputation.

The Irish Government are a lot of things, however, they are certainly not anti-British. In fact, they are often critisised for being too pro-British. I have never heard a single Irish person blame Britain for our current problems. They blame the Government. Even so Ireland maintains one of the highest standards of living in the world, which is probably why you choose to live here....

See link

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

ih8northsiders · 08-10-2009 04:21PM

bit weird though when does this 700 hundred year stuff start. its absolutely retarded to say hate the english, when the english elite came from france who in turn came from norway. remember french speaking normans dominated ireland for a few centuries. if it hadn't been for the great plague when many normans were wiped out ireland might be different today.

the issue is too complex. I say forget about it completely.

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 04:22PM

Latchy wrote: »

Indeed slightly of topic but why look across the irish sea when the devil is living on your own doorstep ?

Is that on an Irish doorstep or an English one?

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 04:23PM

ih8northsiders wrote: »

bit weird though when does this 700 hundred year stuff start. its absolutely retarded to say hate the english, when the english elite came from france who in turn came from norway. remember french speaking normans dominated ireland for a few centuries. if it hadn't been for the great plague when many normans were wiped out ireland might be different today.

the issue is too complex. I say forget about it completely.

A hundred years after the 800 years started.:p

getz · 08-10-2009 04:24PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

So are we to stop talking about History in case it will "offend" people? What about how the Irish people feel when some English people come on these baords and start spewing out crap about how Irish persecution is just one big myth????

Its seems there's a double standard going on here. Its perfectly accectable for English people to come on with their brand of history. However, if an Irish person dares oppose it, they are branded extremists or un-PC. I'm sorry, but no-one is going to stand in front of me and tell me that black is white.

everyone one was in the same boat,did you know over 2,million people left scotland during the potato famine, and 1.5,million irish ?put that alongside the starving millions in england,if you doubt that read any of charles dickens books, in 1843 they were a up to date stories,i dont know why ireland was hit harder,queen victoria raised two sums of money,and the quakers raised huge amounts,there is no record of what the vatican sent,[but non of the priests starved]

Latchy · 08-10-2009 04:27PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Is that on an Irish doorstep or an English one?

An Irish doorstep . As has being recently well documented ,some Irish were treated appalingly in their own country by their own Goverment / Catholic church

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 04:30PM

Latchy wrote: »

An Irish doorstep . As has being recently well documented ,some Irish were treated appalingly in their own country by their own Goverment / Catholic church

That's the doorstep that I was talking about.:D

Some confusion has arisen.

Latchy · 08-10-2009 04:37PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

That's the doorstep that I was talking about.:D

Some confusion has arisen.

Ahh of course , Irish sea is viewed from both sides ,confusion sorted

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 04:42PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

I don't hate English people. I just don't like the type of English person that lack cultural sensitivity. As you mentioned , Britain had a very large Empire. And like all Empires it left a trail destruction and discontent behind it. So as you can imagine, in certain parts of the world ,overt displays of pride in the British Empire will not be welcomed or accepted.

It doesn't do the English cause any favours when they travel abroad chanting and singing about this "empire" with little knowledge about the history of the place they are in. I was in Berlin for the last world cup and withnessed a huge crowd of English fans singing "I'd rather be a Paki than a Kraut." These are the type of English I don't like, and sadly these are the English that are giving the nation a bad reputation.

you should read the threads here about the Germans in Dublin.

Of course there are eejits in England, but at the same world cup, I heard of some Trinidad and Tobago supporters who, when they found they had drawn England, were convinced they were going to get beaten up at the game. In the end, they spent most of their time with the English because they felt a lot safer with them than with the other europeans.

How many times have fans of England or English teams been reprimanded by EUFA for racist chanting at football matches?

Rondolfus wrote: »

The Irish Government are a lot of things, however, they are certainly not anti-British. In fact, they are often critisised for being too pro-British. I have never heard a single Irish person blame Britain for our current problems. They blame the Government. Even so Ireland maintains one of the highest standards of living in the world, which is probably why you choose to live here....

See link

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

you should read some of the threads on the irish Economy board, there are plenty on there about how the times and the Telegraph have had an objective of discrediting the Irish economy. In fact i think one an Irish minister has spoken about outside interference.

i'm never sure how these standard of living charts are made up, I took a pay cut to come to Ireland, all the agencies were telling me that I would have to accept the same salary but in Euros instead of pounds, yet everything in this country is more expensive, even before sterling crashed.

crock · 08-10-2009 04:44PM

Camelot wrote: »

Bloody hell Rondolfus, thats some Anti-English hate filled rant if ever I heard one, I dunno why you are so full of Anti-English bile matey (its a bit scary to be honest),

I didnt sense any hatred in what Rondolfus wrote ! !:D

They were facts, and i take my hat off to the guy as he has more knowledge than most of our history teachers.

I dont dislike the English but history is there for us all to read and if you look back at some of the most recent history (the troubles) its not too long ago if you were a catholic in north Ireland you had no rights, who can knock sein fein or the IRA for what they have achieved over the past 40 years ! it wasnt nice, and lots of innocents lost their lives in the process, but had it not been done people across the border would still be living in dire conditions with no rights and no vote.

Before replying to this post do a little research on where both goverments were and what they were doing about the catholics situtation in North Ireland during the 50's and 60's, we were freed after the 1916 uprising and the people of this beautifull land forgot about those who were'nt freed and left them to suffer at the hands of the British for decades.

All that said there is a joint power sharing goverment in N.I now and all we can hope for is peace, the war with the British is over, thier our closest neighbours and only a small minority of British people have any thing bad to say about the Irish, so its time to live and let live we have lived with hatred in our blood for too long.;)

Latchy · 08-10-2009 04:45PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How many times have fans of England or English teams been reprimanded by EUFA for racist chanting at football matches?
.

The Spanish ,Italians and some East Europen countries like Ukarine are the the top of the league for racist chanting /abuse at football matches

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 04:48PM

Latchy wrote: »

Ahh of course , Irish sea is viewed from both sides ,confusion sorted

The UK Catholic church never got to be megalomaniacs again after the Protestants became the majority, so they never got up to half the crap that the shower over here did. Born and brought up over in England, and living here for twenty years, I see them as two distinct versions of the Catholic church, the UK one being a bit more down to earth, even though there are a lot of Irish-born priests involved in it.

blinding · 08-10-2009 04:49PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

That freaking map must be out of date.

Fratton Fred · 08-10-2009 04:57PM

blinding wrote: »

That freaking map must be out of date.

Iceland is ranked no 1, so i guess that was before they went spectacularly bankrupt.

robinph · 08-10-2009 04:59PM

How can Scandinavian countries be ranked so high when alcohol is so expensive there?

Latchy · 08-10-2009 05:01PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The UK Catholic church never got to be megalomaniacs again after the Protestants became the majority, so they never got up to half the crap that the shower over here did. Born and brought up over in England, and living here for twenty years, I see them as two distinct versions of the Catholic church, the UK one being a bit more down to earth, even though there are a lot of Irish-born priests involved in it.

In some ways Ireland Isolation on the fringes of Europe and cut off from any outside influences ( specially English ) with limited media and press of what was going on in the world , only helped to make it that much easy for the the church and state to impose very strict harsh laws on it's citizens, many who we know were abused .This was the Ireland of De Velera and McQuaid, as oppressive as any country could be anywere in the world at the time .

Latchy · 08-10-2009 05:05PM

robinph wrote: »

How can Scandinavian countries be ranked so high when alcohol is so expensive there?

Dont they also have a high sucide rate to ? .Maybe those high alcohol prices are as much to blame as the long dark winters they have

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-10-2009 05:05PM

Aw fukn Celtic / Man U 4 life boy!!!

happy_acid_face · 08-10-2009 09:00PM

Camelot wrote: »

Bloody hell Rondolfus, thats some Anti-English hate filled rant if ever I heard one, I dunno why you are so full of Anti-English bile matey (its a bit scary to be honest), because personally speaking I quite like the English, in fact "I like them a lot", for many many reasons, including their Real Ale I have a few good English mates, they are salt of the earth types, they love their footie, their beer, a good laugh, and they love the Irish just like anybody else. I hope 'Rondolfus' that you feel better now, after getting all that Anti-English Hatred out, but you should also note that your 'hatred' is not recipricated.

The Hatred is only one way traffic by a small minority (within a minority) of some Irish people.

All Rondalfus did was give historical evidence, that's not hating the English.

And for those who said he was alone in his feelings are wrong. I agree with everything he has said. He is the only one who has actually been able to back up everything he has said.

AGAIN, I don't hate the English. I don't think Ronalfus does either. In fact I don't think I have read a post that states that anyone hates the English. Just because we don't want to play ignorant to Ireland's history does not mean we hate the English people. I don't hate the Germans but I'm not going to pretend that the Nazi's didn't exist.

Correction. I do hate two English people:
1. The Queen
2. Martin Johnson

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:05PM

I hate Jeremy Kyle.

fryup · 08-10-2009 09:12PM

best bands in pop/rock history are english.....

the beatles, the stones, the who, pink floyd, the smiths, the cure, the clash, new order etc etc

the english are great

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:14PM

fryup wrote: »

best bands in pop/rock history are english.....

the beatles, the stones, the who, pink floyd, the smiths, the cure, the clash, new order etc etc

the english are great

I hate Pink Floyd.

furiousox · 08-10-2009 09:21PM

morrissey, maher, rourke and joyce

the smiths are the best irish band ever

starbelgrade · 08-10-2009 09:24PM

furiousox wrote: »

morrissey, maher, rourke and joyce

the smiths are the best irish band ever

And Oasis are the worst.

ejmaztec · 08-10-2009 09:25PM

England has received adequate punishment by allowing Graham Norton to soil their airwaves with complete sh1te. He was only funny twice, both times in Father Ted.

robinph · 08-10-2009 09:27PM

furiousox wrote: »

morrissey, maher, rourke and joyce

the smiths are the best irish band ever

What makes them Irish?

furiousox · 08-10-2009 09:29PM

robinph wrote: »

What makes them Irish?

They all had irish parents

Hate the English??

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