Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Limerick's Perceived Image

124

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    mike kelly wrote: »
    which parts are of the island are grand? are rents low there?

    The island is a big area, from the sand mall to Georges Quay, and Absolute hotel to St Mary's Park, which covers Athlunkard street, St, Mary's street, the sand mall, Merchant Quay, island road, sheep street, the bad areas of it include Lee estate, and St. Mary's park.

    The rest of the areas, tend to be decent elderly people just going about their lives. It's also the home to one of the most popular bars in the city....The Locke. it also has a private hospital which is reputed to have seen some famous people for plastic surgery. It also houses 2 of the biggest tourist attractions in the city, the castle and St Mary's Cathedral and is home to city hall and the court house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    Liam79 wrote: »
    ah stop Foinse…as stabcity would say, he is prob a fine young fella just having a laugh…….!!:rolleyes::mad:

    I know poor fella prob didn't realise what he was doing/ had ADHD/ comes from a broken home/ enter bleeding heart reason here:rolleyes:
    mike kelly wrote: »
    So Roy Collins and Shane Geoghan were looking for trouble?

    What a dense comment! Some areas are clearly more dangerous then others. If you go looking for trouble in downtown Johannesburg are you as likely to find it as in Zurich?
    Wake up people, Limerick has a real violence problem, far worse than anywhere else in Ireland.


    Yes there is crime in Limerick, and yes there are social problems, Roy Collins went against them and stood up to the scum that are in this city,While i always advocate doing the right thing, the people who shot him obviously saw this as him looking for trouble, Shane Geoghan, was in the wrong area at the wrong time and looked like the wrong person. I've seen a picture of the person that they intended to kill that night, and there are similarities which would be enough for mistaken identity late at night.

    I am in no way condoning these deaths and personally was abhorred to hear about them.

    While i do agree that there is crime in Limerick, i do not agree that Limerick is a crime ridden cesspit. Trust me it is not. I have seen more violence on a saturday night out in Galway, than i have on a saturday night working in Limerick. Yes there are some nights when it's ridiculously busy, but on the whole Limerick is not all that dangerous a place at night or at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    foinse wrote: »
    the bad areas of it include Lee estate, and St. Mary's park.

    how would you compare the Lee Estate to St Marys park? Is it as bad? Safe for a non-local person to move too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Liam79 wrote: »
    Sweet mother of God :eek:

    Boy threatens to shoot park ranger in packed playground


    National News Home




    By Barry Duggan
    Thursday September 24 2009

    A PLAYGROUND in Limerick had to be temporarily closed after a child armed with a pellet gun threatened to shoot a park ranger.
    The young boy, who witnesses believe was no more than 11 years old, was pointing the pellet gun at children in the People's Park playground in Limerick city when he was approached by a park ranger.
    When cornered by the ranger, the child pulled the pellet gun from his pocket and pointed it at the park employee and threatened him: "I'll blow your f**king head off."
    The frightening incident happened last Friday evening when around 30 parents and children were in the city playground. The child ran from the park shouting that he would come back with his father to sort out the ranger.
    Many children who saw the episode were left in tears and rangers on duty decided to close the playground for an hour.
    Limerick City Council in turn reported the matter to gardai who are investigating.
    One father who was in the playground with his child and witnessed the incident said the pellet gun resembled a revolver.

    Shocked
    "It was not like the long ones we had when we were young. He was going around like he was John Wayne," the shocked parent said.
    "After the young fellow pointed the gun at one of the children, their father ran after him and caught him. He then hid the gun in his pocket. The rangers ran over and were fantastic. They handled the situation well.
    "The kid then pulled the gun out of his pocket and pointed it at one of the rangers," he said.
    "He stood back like a young fellow who was well schooled -- he leaned forward and had the stance and said 'I'll blow your f**king head off'. He could have taken the ranger's eye out.
    "There was an eerie feeling in the park afterwards so the rangers closed the playground and ushered the parents and children home," he added.
    - Barry Duggan






    No doubt there will be some tool on the radio or in the press who will want to make excuses for the young scum, saying he does not know right from wrong and that nobody was hurt. By the time they finish it will be the park rangers fault for scaring the poor little piece of scum out of the playground area.

    Or we will have them saying this could have happened in Dublin and that will be their answer to it.

    Sorry but this did not happen in Dublin and I really think there is something wrong when people can just not bat an eyelid at a kid carrying a weapon. Airgun today, Glock tomorrow.

    I reckon the only lesson he learned from it was to shoot next time when approached.

    Give that bit of trash a few years and he will be a lot worse and still walking the street despite having a string of convictions.

    Maybe Limerick will get lucky and he will get hit by a bus and not live long enough to add to the long list of violent crimes and shootings that the city has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    mike kelly wrote: »
    So Roy Collins and Shane Geoghan were looking for trouble?


    Wake up people, Limerick has a real violence problem, far worse than anywhere else in Ireland.

    The plumber shot dead going about his work innocently, the postman in a coma for the last 12 months in Dublin, to name but two, yes Limerick is far worse than anwywhere else in Ireland. :rolleyes:


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    mike kelly wrote: »
    how would you compare the Lee Estate to St Marys park? Is it as bad? Safe for a non-local person to move too?

    No i would not say it is as bad as St. Mary's Park, but then again, it's a minority in these areas that is causing problems, Tourists often walk past Lee Estate, on their way to the castle, and don't usually have much problems, having said that there have been murders in Lee Estate, and also shootings, so yes it can be a dangerous place, however it is also a cleaner estate than St. Mary's Park, which is continually strewn with rubbish and animal sh1t, burnt out cars on the green area, cars and houses burnt, in the streets.

    If someone was to ask me personally about moving to either area, i would swiftly direct them to another area of the city, but that's from personal and professional experience of the area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 463 ✭✭Liam79


    Roadend thats exactly the kinda crap Kess was talking about.....it happens in Dublin too.....dublin this...dublin that.....boo fockin hoo.......
    WE DONT LIVE IN DUBLIN!!
    Its happening here!! When will people down here stop qualifying everything that happens here with Dublin! A city ten times Limericks size and population!!!!!

    COP ON!!!! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Roadend wrote: »
    The plumber shot dead going about his work innocently, the postman in a coma for the last 12 months in Dublin, to name but two, yes Limerick is far worse than anwywhere else in Ireland. :rolleyes:




    For me it is not a case of whether Limerick is far worse or far better than Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland.


    Personally I don't care about what Dublin scum do in Dublin, but I do care about what the Limerick scum do in Limerick because I live in Limerick.

    We have an awful lot of scum and wannabe scum in Limerick, especially when you consider Limerick city is really a big town rather than a true city.

    I don't blame the regular folk that live in every part of Limerick city as there is only so much they can do without either being put at risk or getting into trouble themselves with the law.


    I put the blame firmly on the shoulders of those who make our laws, those who are meant to enforce our laws, and those who sit in courts who are meant to execute our laws to the letter.

    I will have a rant every now and then about Limerick because it really does get to me to see the scum giving the place a bad name, because the city is run badly enough in terms of attracting new businesses, retail and otherwise, and developing current businesses without the scum making the place even more grim.

    It is a city that geographically could be a real diamond of a place. It is near an international airport, within a short drive of real tourist attractions in Clare, Kerry,Cork, and Galway. You would think our planners would have been really knocking on the doors of big retail chains and the like and trying everything to make the city centre a shopper's paradise, and encourage those tourists to use Limerick as a base to see the other counties from, but to spend their shopping money here.

    It would also make the city great for us locals as there could be a buzz on the shopping streets like there is in Cork city centre.

    A great contrast would be to walk around Limerick city centre on a Friday after 18:30, the so called late shopping night there, and then the next week do the same at the same time in Cork city.

    Limerick becomes a ghost town at that time, whereas Cork city centre is busy with loads of people carrying bags with the names of shopson them where they just spent money.

    Another thing to look at in Cork is how well lit the main streets are at night, everything looks bright and that includes the older buildings on the main streets there.

    In Limerick it tends to look a bit grey and grim, with dull lighting not doing any justice to Limerick.

    The line about the recession can be rolled out to be blamed, but the look of the city is nothing new, and the lack of variety in the city centre from a retail pov is nothing new either.


    Our city centre needs to be policed by a constant visible foot patrol, by a police force that brings in scumbags and let's the scumbags know that antisocial crap will not be tolerated and it needs to be sat over by judges that hand out stiff sentences to those that deserve it. The laws are already there for that to happen.

    To go hand in hand with that we need a city council that cares more about what is good for the city than they care about getting their own names into the local papers or who will be next in line for mayor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    What on earth are you on about, I responded to a man who said Limerick was worse than anywhere in Ireland for violence with two cases from Dublin, which show that it is quite clearly not. How exactly do you propose that we come out and say Limerick is not the worst place in Ireland for violence without a comparison :confused::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Roadend wrote: »
    What on earth are you on about, I responded to a man who said Limerick was worse than anywhere in Ireland for violence with two cases from Dublin, which show that it is quite clearly not. How exactly do you propose that we come out and say Limerick is not the worst place in Ireland for violence without a comparison :confused::rolleyes:




    So tell me how your two cases show that Dublin is far worse then?


    Crime figures are normally based on the amount of crimes committed against a set population figure, be it 10k, 100k or whatever.

    In terms of an overall figure, Dublin has a higher crime figure, but has a population of about 1,500,000, including suburbs, against Limerick's 90,000, including suburbs.


    So going by populations, Limerick should have a little more than 16 times less serious crime than Dublin. It does not, which shows that Limerick has more serious crime for every thousand people living here than Dublin does for every thousand living there.


    I generally don't like comparing Limerick and Dublin as Limerick can come out of the comparison quite badly for a town sized place. But claims that Dublin has way more crime is generally a misguided one as people tend not to take populations into account. I would shudder to think what crime would be like in Limerick if we had a population of 1.5 million here, what with our ineffective gardai and courts system.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Ah the old "limerick isnt as bad as Dublin" argument, like liam79 said, this isnt dublin, there is a crime problem here and thats the focus of the discussion, why is it that people always use the "sure other places have crime too" reasoning, of course they do, but thats not the point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Kess73 wrote: »
    A great contrast would be to walk around Limerick city centre on a Friday after 18:30, the so called late shopping night there, and then the next week do the same at the same time in Cork city.

    I'm not sure if it's still the same but Thursday was always late night shopping night in town, not Friday. It was the same in Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭sioda


    Friday used to be the Limerick late night but think it has declined in the past few years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    sioda wrote: »
    Friday used to be the Limerick late night but think it has declined in the past few years

    Since when was it Friday? Up until 2002 closing times for most fashion stores were 530pm-630pm Mon-Wed, 8pm Thurs, 5.30pm-6.30pm Fri-Sat and 5pm-6pm Sun (If they opened). I don't know about after that as that's when I moved away it's not the type of thing I'd notice on a visit back.

    I've just checked Dunnes' and BrownThomas' websites and they now open late on Thursday and Friday, so I guess they are both late nights in Limerick now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    iguana wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's still the same but Thursday was always late night shopping night in town, not Friday. It was the same in Dublin.




    Friday is now the evening when there is the most stores open for late closing in Limerick, so I chose that one.

    You can use Thursday if you like as Cork City centre is far busier on a Thursday after 18:30 too.

    The contrast is still the same, which is a pity in my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    Yes but I think you have to take into consideration that there are a lot of shops outside of the city centre in places like the Crescent, Parkway and Childers Road Retail park. That said I myself am not usually in town that much as I hate town. Nothing to do with the people there or whatever, I just get bored easily and hate shopping in general. I only go if I have a specific reason to, do that and then leave. I'm only in town when I go out mostly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kess73 wrote: »
    So tell me how your two cases show that Dublin is far worse then?


    Crime figures are normally based on the amount of crimes committed against a set population figure, be it 10k, 100k or whatever.

    In terms of an overall figure, Dublin has a higher crime figure, but has a population of about 1,500,000, including suburbs, against Limerick's 90,000, including suburbs.


    So going by populations, Limerick should have a little more than 16 times less serious crime than Dublin. It does not, which shows that Limerick has more serious crime for every thousand people living here than Dublin does for every thousand living there.


    I generally don't like comparing Limerick and Dublin as Limerick can come out of the comparison quite badly for a town sized place. But claims that Dublin has way more crime is generally a misguided one as people tend not to take populations into account. I would shudder to think what crime would be like in Limerick if we had a population of 1.5 million here, what with our ineffective gardai and courts system.


    Having Lived in the midwest and near Limerick most of my life and now living in Dublin 4 years.

    Limerick IS A LOT SAFER than Dublin I can assure you!!!!!!. I'm not been biased. Limerick city centre is by far way safer than Dublincity centre. My cousin studied in Limerick Four years and she had a transfer for a work placement in Dublin for a year. She felt really out of place in Dublin. She liked Dublin, but she felt more safer walking on Limerick's streets than Dublin. I feel this way too. Limerick city centre is pretty safe and well proportioned.

    The other bullcrap you posted on comparisons of cities, was farce. Per 1000 population Limerick faired better than either Cork and Dublin on most crime levels. The only crime that limericks worsens is killings. These killings are inconnection with the ganglands that kill each other.


    BTW we dont need more Gardai. We need less moaners and pessismists like you patrolling Limerick that airwaves Limerick to be a bad place. If you don't like it and it's to hot in the kitchen "get the **** out"


    Crime is related to unhappiness, more unhappiness attracts more crime.


    You do the maths now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Liam79 wrote: »
    Roadend thats exactly the kinda crap Kess was talking about.....it happens in Dublin too.....dublin this...dublin that.....boo fockin hoo.......
    WE DONT LIVE IN DUBLIN!!
    Its happening here!! When will people down here stop qualifying everything that happens here with Dublin! A city ten times Limericks size and population!!!!!

    COP ON!!!! :mad:



    We could do with some injection of mass positiyity to the forum and Limerick in general. You make the city what it is.


    If you think Limerick is this bad, then you should read your post. It would have a connection.


    You make the city what it is. You decide and take responsilibilty what you do in the city and the rest will worry of the latter. You don't seem to be quick on a solution here do you.


    Yeah I thought so.


    Unhappy people bicker and moan....


    Maybe you should take your own advice and YOU COP ON. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    Kess73 wrote: »
    So tell me how your two cases show that Dublin is far worse then?


    Crime figures are normally based on the amount of crimes committed against a set population figure, be it 10k, 100k or whatever.

    In terms of an overall figure, Dublin has a higher crime figure, but has a population of about 1,500,000, including suburbs, against Limerick's 90,000, including suburbs.


    So going by populations, Limerick should have a little more than 16 times less serious crime than Dublin. It does not, which shows that Limerick has more serious crime for every thousand people living here than Dublin does for every thousand living there.


    I generally don't like comparing Limerick and Dublin as Limerick can come out of the comparison quite badly for a town sized place. But claims that Dublin has way more crime is generally a misguided one as people tend not to take populations into account. I would shudder to think what crime would be like in Limerick if we had a population of 1.5 million here, what with our ineffective gardai and courts system.


    Ok Limerick is the most viloent place in Ireland, Happy now:rolleyes:

    Now that that stupidity is out of the way, firstly where did I say Dublin was worse. I cited two cases which show that violent crime against innocents is not just a limerick issue. Secondly, if you are going to throw imaginary figures around which of course do not paint an accurate picture as its well acknowledged a large amount of serious crime in Dublin goes unreported whereas most everything in Limerick gets national coverage, you're going to be talking through your hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Wolverine_1999


    Limerick has a bad reputation, yes, due to gang wars. If you pick any other city in Ireland (Galway/Cork/Waterford..Dublin (I don't care what you say, Kilkenny is NOT a city) ), they would also have bad reputations for some other crimes of some sort.

    Galway - Murder/Rape (first thing that comes to mind, correct me if I'm wrong)
    Waterford - Violent Traveller feuds
    Cork - Murder (Not sure to be honest)

    and Dublin - Drug Gang feuds.

    The issue is with Limerick, as far as I can see, is that a higher percentage of victims are "innocent" (if you were to compare gang related violence in Ireland with other cities, which dominates the headlines).

    In general, Limerick is safe enough without wandering into "no go" areas. But then again, safer for men than women (as it is with any city). I would say this for all cities in Ireland as I could not describe any city in Ireland as being "safe".


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    The issue is with Limerick, as far as I can see, is that a higher percentage of victims are "innocent" (if you were to compare gang related violence in Ireland with other cities, which dominates the headlines).

    I agree with almost all of your post, the above i do have issue with, there have been 2 murders in total relating to the gang violence which were innocent people, Ray Collins, and Shane Geoghan, one stood up to the gangs and the other was mistaken identity.

    I don't see how this makes the percentage higher for innocent victims in Limerick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    Being positive about the city is a double edged sword in some ways.

    On the one side we want people from outside of Limerick to change their attitudes on Limerick and believe that it is a decent city.

    On the other side, if we're too positive and happy the politicians and Gardai may not believe that extra Garda resources should be allocated to Limerick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Roadend wrote: »
    Ok Limerick is the most viloent place in Ireland, Happy now:rolleyes:

    Now that that stupidity is out of the way, firstly where did I say Dublin was worse. I cited two cases which show that violent crime against innocents is not just a limerick issue. Secondly, if you are going to throw imaginary figures around which of course do not paint an accurate picture as its well acknowledged a large amount of serious crime in Dublin goes unreported whereas most everything in Limerick gets national coverage, you're going to be talking through your hole.



    Imaginary figures? Maybe you should go check the figures yourself before spouting your normal "Dublin this Dublin that wa wa wa" rubbish. The crime figures are in the public domain for anyone who wants to make the effort to check them.

    And "most everything" in Limerick gets reported? Now who is talking through their hole?

    I never said Limerick is the most violent place in Ireland, I said that it has a disproportionate amount of serious crime.

    The whole thrust of my original reply to you was that Limerick folk should not be using the crime in Dublin or any other city as a carte blance for what happens in Limerick. Dublin could have a thousand murders a day for all I care, I don't live there. The only place I care about is the one I live in, and that is Limerick.

    People who go on about making it what you want it to be, or such a place has loads of crime are naive. If they cannot see how run down, grim, and sham like Limerick looks compared to other towns and cities, then they are blind or pretending to be so.

    I already stated what I thought the main cause of the problems in Limerick were, and I said it from a law pov and from a retail pov, maybe I am talking rubbish, but at least I gave my honest opinion on it, unlike you who just comes on and puts down what others say, and has no opinion of his own other than to say others are wrong and they talk out of their hole.

    If I disagree on something with someone, I will say why I disagree. Does not make me right or wrong, but it means I will show the other person the courtesy of explaining why I disagree with them.


    This thread is about Limerick's "perceived" image, silly me for thinking that it was open for discussion, and not just for quick answers with either no desire or no ability to debate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    Kess, I have come to the conclusion that you cannot read or at least understand what you are reading so I can't really carry this on with you as its utterly pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Being positive about the city is a double edged sword in some ways.

    On the one side we want people from outside of Limerick to change their attitudes on Limerick and believe that it is a decent city.

    On the other side, if we're too positive and happy the politicians and Gardai may not believe that extra Garda resources should be allocated to Limerick.




    That echoes what I was told by a community garda. Basically if an area does not have a lot of calls in for assistance, then it gets assumed there are no problems, and as such will not have patrols assigned to that estate/area as often.

    So the problems may be there, but with nobody willing to open there mouth, and just trying to act like everything is dandy, then there is no patrols.


    Of course the other side of that coin is the fact that Limerick gardai can be very difficult to actually get to come to an incident, something I mentioned in another thread and I also brought up the chain of command that I tried to follow to report that.

    Talking to local gardai, community gardai, local elected officials etc all seems to be a waste here, with a few notable exceptions in each area.

    Some people think that wanting to discuss obvious problems in the city is just slagging the city of, but the way I see if enough people discuss and more importantly acknowledge where there are problems, then something may get done at some point.


    As I said in part of my reply to a poster that does not seem able to debate anything, Limerick could be a diamond of a town if it was managed better, both from a social pov and from a retail/business pov, it is just frustrating to see apathy and scum win out more often than not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Roadend wrote: »
    Kess, I have come to the conclusion that you cannot read or at least understand what you are reading so I can't really carry this on with you as its utterly pointless.




    Just as well because short answers with no attempt at explaining what you think seems to be your thing, along with the ability to debate why you disagree being beyond you.


    Best you just make little smart comments, seems that is all you got anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭soldering iron


    perceived" image,

    Do not visit Limerick because it is rough and out of controll

    Reality:

    It's a great city to visit with all the amenities of a modern progressive city.

    solution:

    Stop talking openly on forums like this no how bad Limerick, just write about all the good thing that this city Limerick has to offer.

    positive thing's happen to positive places.

    Friend of the Limerick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 562 ✭✭✭utick


    obviously its not that 11 year olds fault going around threatning people with the gun, its because of the lack of facilities, we need to build a payground for children, give them something to do to keep them out of trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    utick wrote: »
    obviously its not that 11 year olds fault going around threatning people with the gun, its because of the lack of facilities, we need to build a payground for children, give them something to do to keep them out of trouble

    I really hope you're being sarcastic with that comment.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Just as well because short answers with no attempt at explaining what you think seems to be your thing, along with the ability to debate why you disagree being beyond you.


    Best you just make little smart comments, seems that is all you got anyway.

    Posting long winded personal opinion isn't going to validate what you are attempting to say either. I responded to a claim with facts, it was short and to the point as I didn't need to try and make my point more valid by putting lots of words together.

    I'd like to add by the way that all the the non-Limerick people, of which I am one myself, in this thread that have come on said their perception was that Limerick was not a bad place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    foinse wrote: »
    I really hope you're being sarcastic with that comment.

    I really hope no one would have to ask if that was sarcastic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Roadend wrote: »
    Kess, I have come to the conclusion that you cannot read or at least understand what you are reading so I can't really carry this on with you as its utterly pointless.

    I was thinking the same thing, his posts are incoherent and just like ramble. Moaning and no solutions.

    When somebody keeps doing this, people take less notice of them eventually. Otherwise you go down with them!

    Kess the boat in your lake maybe sinking, I don't think Limerick city or the people want to go down with you. Your giving the city a negative perception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    mysterious wrote: »
    I was thinking the same thing, his posts are incoherent and just like ramble. Moaning and no solutions.

    When somebody keeps doing this, people take less notice of them eventually. Otherwise you go down with them!

    Kess the boat in your lake maybe sinking, I don't think Limerick city or the people want to go down with you. Your giving the city a negative perception.



    Limerick has a wonderful image all over Ireland.:rolleyes:


    Yep moaning about it with no solutions, much better than pretending there is no problem and just sticking my head in the sand.


    At least I give my opinion on it. To you and roadend, why not counter and say why things are so great without falling back on just slagging off my pov?
    Seems to me the only response you guys have is to say I am wrong, and have no arguement of your own as to why I am wrong in what I say about the city centre and the way it is in places.

    I have tried to do something about the problems in my area by reporting crime when it happens, I have spoken with local councillors on issues, but now I know the right way is to just stick my head in the sand like you guys and look down on people who dare say that something may be wrong in the city centre in terms of social problems and in terms of retail/business issues.

    Don't worry guys, Limerick is booming, the city centre has never been busier, crime has never been lower, and the city centre has never looked so great as a whole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Roadend wrote: »
    Posting long winded personal opinion isn't going to validate what you are attempting to say either. I responded to a claim with facts, it was short and to the point as I didn't need to try and make my point more valid by putting lots of words together.

    I'd like to add by the way that all the the non-Limerick people, of which I am one myself, in this thread that have come on said their perception was that Limerick was not a bad place.



    What facts did you use? You said two people were killed in Dublin, wow great use of facts.


    Long posts don't validate my opinion, it is simply my opinion. But the difference between you and I, is that I try to say what my opinion is, and I put it out there to be either agreed with or disagreed with. I rarely just put down someone's opinion without saying why I disagree with it.

    I will leave that approach to you. Seems to suit you anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 463 ✭✭Liam79


    Imagine if Limerick had a democratically elected mayor, imagine we all had the vote.
    Imagine the candidates were
    "Limerick is fine, sure Dublin is as bad" -Roadend
    "Dont slag limerick, yoru making us look bad, just deny deny deny" -Mysterious
    "Limerick has potential but is being destroyed by the scum, but I can see that and want to change it - Kess

    I know who I would vote for....
    Kess No.1 !!!

    At least he/she can accept we have problems and try to change it from within. Ye other 2 are typical of the biggest problem we have" This attitude of "Limerick is great, sure we have no problems, Dublin is worse. Sure its all Dublins fault anyways! And so long as we can blame the Dubs, we are cool. Dont tell anyone we have problems, ignore it and it might just go away"

    Kess, you get my vote. Kess for Mayor!!!


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Liam79 wrote: »
    Imagine if Limerick had a democratically elected mayor, imagine we all had the vote.
    Imagine the candidates were
    "Limerick is fine, sure Dublin is as bad" -Roadend
    "Dont slag limerick, yoru making us look bad, just deny deny deny" -Mysterious
    "Limerick has potential but is being destroyed by the scum, but I can see that and want to change it - Kess

    I know who I would vote for....
    Kess No.1 !!!

    At least he/she can accept we have problems and try to change it from within. Ye other 2 are typical of the biggest problem we have" This attitude of "Limerick is great, sure we have no problems, Dublin is worse. Sure its all Dublins fault anyways! And so long as we can blame the Dubs, we are cool. Dont tell anyone we have problems, ignore it and it might just go away"

    Kess, you get my vote. Kess for Mayor!!!




    Yeah and I would make things worse by getting into pointless arguements with people :D



    In fairness to the two lads that I am disagreeing with, I am pretty sure that if the two of them, and myself, all stopped being bullheaded about our own views, we would most likely find that we agreed on a lot of other things about Limerick.


    I think there are a lot of great things about Limerick, but I do think it is some of the issues in the city and some of the issues in the suburbs that drag things down a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Ok. It seems some people need to learn basics.


    There are 95,000 people in Limerick. If they were all negative and were a bunch of moaners. It would be a pretty dreary city wouldn't it. Point number one obvious.


    Now if 95,000 people were a little more happy, then the city would be a more pleasant place to live.


    You make your reality. Sorry that I really have to get this retarded in explaining common sense to you both. So your choice is too keep moaning or do something with your reality.


    If Limerick is so bad, Move out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kess73 wrote: »

    I think there are a lot of great things about Limerick, but I do think it is some of the issues in the city and some of the issues in the suburbs that drag things down a bit.


    Then come up with a solution to the issues. Limerick issues are nothing special. Every city has its problems. The real issue imo, is you make more issues out of it, because you focus on the negatives. Therefore your contributing to the issue not resolving it.


    Always focus on your behaviour and contribution to society before you point to everyone else's backyard. The universe will worry about the latter. Your moaning is is getting you nowhere and as someone pointed out already becoming quite pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    mysterious wrote: »
    Ok. It seems some people need to learn basics.


    There are 95,000 people in Limerick. If they were all negative and were a bunch of moaners. It would be a pretty dreary city wouldn't it. Point number one obvious.


    Now if 95,000 people were a little more happy, then the city would be a more pleasant place to live.


    You make your reality. Sorry that I really have to get this retarded in explaining common sense to you both. So your choice is too keep moaning or do something with your reality.


    If Limerick is so bad, Move out.




    I take back about agreeing with you on something.

    You are either very naive or ten years of age.

    The stupid move out if you don't like it comment pretty much backs that up. Most people cannot simply just up sticks and move from an area if they are not happy with it. Glad to see that you must be in a position where you can simply move like that. No wonder you think everyone should be as happy as you. :D

    If you ever are in town and see a bunch of scumbags acting up or causing hassle, please go over to them and tell them to be more happy or to be more pleasant, I will look forward to hearing how that goes for you. Or go to the family where the breadwinner has been let go and tell him or her to be a bit happier about things. Or to the guy whose house was broken into.


    As I have already said in this thread and in other threads, Limerick has the potential to be a really great place and already has great points, but I am not so glib as to simply look at the good and try to ignore the bad that is also present. You and Roadend seem to want to ignore the fact that I have said positive things about Limerick and just focus on the negative things I said in this thread. Negative things which are present in Limerick in the real world, but negative things that those with influence could actually make an impact upon.

    In the real world it is not a simple case of telling 95,000 to just be a bit more happy about things. Maybe you should take a look at your own grip on reality. Either that or start practising what you preach in the real world and try doing what I said to you about going up to a bunch and telling them to be more pleasant and happy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    Be happy

    chavs.jpg


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    mysterious wrote: »
    Then come up with a solution to the issues. Limerick issues are nothing special. Every city has its problems. The real issue imo, is you make more issues out of it, because you focus on the negatives. Therefore your contributing to the issue not resolving it.


    Always focus on your behaviour and contribution to society before you point to everyone else's backyard. The universe will worry about the latter. Your moaning is is getting you nowhere and as someone pointed out already becoming quite pointless.



    Ok then so if we ignore the issues that Limerick has, they will go away. The universe will look after things. What laughable childish twaddle.

    You should really sell that idea on a global level, because all the world's problems could be fixed if only that idea was taken up by all.


    You are talking some of the biggest rubbish I have ever read on this site. As has already been said, this thread was meant to be about Limerick's perceived image and why people think it has that image.

    I take it that Limerick obviously has no reasons for having that perceived image as it is only the likes of me with my moaning that imagines the problems in the city , and while you can take venting on a forum as being useless, it can be a good way for people to find out what the view of others are. Maybe it does nothing more than letting people get something off of their chests, or maybe it can spark something in a person's head for the next time they speak with an elected official or similar about something in their area they would like to improve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Ok then so if we ignore the issues that Limerick has, they will go away. The universe will look after things. What laughable childish twaddle.

    You should really sell that idea on a global level, because all the world's problems could be fixed if only that idea was taken up by all.


    You are talking some of the biggest rubbish I have ever read on this site. As has already been said, this thread was meant to be about Limerick's perceived image and why people think it has that image.

    I take it that Limerick obviously has no reasons for having that perceived image as it is only the likes of me with my moaning that imagines the problems in the city , and while you can take venting on a forum as being useless, it can be a good way for people to find out what the view of others are. Maybe it does nothing more than letting people get something off of their chests, or maybe it can spark something in a person's head for the next time they speak with an elected official or similar about something in their area they would like to improve.

    First off, Don't insult me.

    Second is you don't read your own post or properly read what other people have to say. Third and final point stop assuming and putting words in peoples mouth.

    The only one who is ignoring reality is you. Nobody else.

    I'm not venting. I'm pretty reasonable in my points. I don't need to get so hot and bothered about this. As an adult I'm aware of my own actions and responsilibilty and how I affect the world I live in by the attitudes and examples I project.

    A place is just a place, it's you what makes a positive or negative experience.

    The idea I given may have to be taken by all. But someone has to make the choice, It seems you have made up your mind and continue to whinge. So yeah your right the world has to make a decision, it has to start somewhere.

    I will leave it here, because I'm beginning to see it's becoming a really silly rant going to nowhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭talkingclock


    so if someone is wandering up and down William St. with a hunkydory grin on his face like an imbecile it makes that vermine hanging around at the bus stop spitting and insulting passers vanish?

    and if people like me and kess just stop "moaning" (as you put it) here onthis thread makes the murdes undone? and no harm to any creature will be done in the future?

    mysterious, you deserve a medal for posting the biggest bullsh*t in that thread!

    on a side note: many many month ago i already said that this town is a scum infested shthole and i got tarred and feathered for that. but reading this thread now i am so happy that i left that sad place 6 month ago!

    i feel very sorry for the people who are not able to leave...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kess73 wrote: »
    I take back about agreeing with you on something.

    You are either very naive or ten years of age.

    God you really rub people up the worng way. I can see why the city gets a bad name. You sound like a really unhappy person. People who moan and insult others are unhappy.

    Fact.

    The stupid move out if you don't like it comment pretty much backs that up. Most people cannot simply just up sticks and move from an area if they are not happy with it. Glad to see that you must be in a position where you can simply move like that. No wonder you think everyone should be as happy as you. :D

    No, it's stupid if you live here do nothing and still moan. That is when I think you should get up and move.

    If you want to stay in this city. Do something about the problems.
    You and Roadend seem to want to ignore the fact that I have said positive things about Limerick and just focus on the negative things I said in this thread. Negative things which are present in Limerick in the real world, but negative things that those with influence could actually make an impact upon.

    I haven't ignored any fact. I have said Limerick has problems. But I do want to point out yet again. There are not special issues. They are not extraordianary. Life is about choices. You make your reality what it is. You have the choice to detach from it if you can't deal with the negative problems around you. You also have the choice to improve the situation by creating more a positive reality.

    In the real world it is not a simple case of telling 95,000 to just be a bit more happy about things. Maybe you should take a look at your own grip on reality. Either that or start practising what you preach in the real world and try doing what I said to you about going up to a bunch and telling them to be more pleasant and happy.


    It is. there is an island in Greece that has 8,000 people. It has one police station on it. It has one incident of crime there in 30 years. A Teenager caused a minor crime. The reason there is no crime there is because people are positive and happy. They keep at this vibration because they respect and keep the positive reality intact.

    It is that simple. I'm not saying that Limerick can achieve this in a few years. I'm not saying Limerick can become as peaceful. But we can make this a reality if we really want too. We are people and limerick is what it is because of the people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    so if someone is wandering up and down William St. with a hunkydory grin on his face like an imbecile it makes that vermine hanging around at the bus stop spitting and insulting passers vanish?

    and if people like me and kess just stop "moaning" (as you put it) here onthis thread makes the murdes undone? and no harm to any creature will be done in the future?

    mysterious, you deserve a medal for posting the biggest bullsh*t in that thread!

    on a side note: many many month ago i already said that this town is a scum infested shthole and i got tarred and feathered for that. but reading this thread now i am so happy that i left that sad place 6 month ago!

    i feel very sorry for the people who are not able to leave...


    It seems bull****, because you don't want to face reality.

    Reality is what you make of it. You also have a choice here. You can leave this city. If you choose not to then maybe you could take more responsiblity to making the city a more positive place to be. 15 years ago Limerick was a dreay run down city. But it didn't become more prosperous and modern for nothing. People put their efforts into improving the city. This is how it works. If you can't see that. Oh dear :D We have another problem stemming up in Limerick. Lack of awareness and basic common sense.


    You can go into the city tomorrow and greet people more often. You can smile at people. You can go to the park and appreciate the scenery. You can thank the bus driver when you get off the bus. You can pick up rubbish off the ground as you walk pass on street. You can organise a community project to get people together. You can start a sporting event weekly. You can get into many things to make this city a better place.

    I live in Dublin and I make sure I do these simple assertions everyday. It contributes to a recent poll as to why Dublin faired really well in a all european wide city friendly poll. Dublin came out on Top.


    Or else we can sit here all day and moan about everything.

    If this all bull****, then, don't blame me or the man next door that Limerick is the way it is:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭talkingclock


    i dont want to face reality???? listen, i tell you something: i got thrown glass bottles after me by this vermin at the treaty stone just for walking the dog there, doing nothing else, minding my business!
    i got spat at for not giving a fecking dirty scumbag vermin a fag - i don't carry them because i don't smoke!!. ah sure it's my fault being an unfriendly person if i don't have fags on offer if i get asked by scum.
    i got verbal abuse by scumbags out of their car driving up charlotte quay - for nothing.
    i got hasseled at the canal bridge by drunken scum whilst having a stroll at the canal out to UL.

    so -excuse my french- shut up and don't tell me to face reality!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    I hate Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Reality is what you make of it. You also have a choice here. You can leave this city. If you choose not to then maybe you could take more responsiblity to making the city a more positive place to be. 15 years ago Limerick was a dreay run down city. But it didn't become more prosperous and modern for nothing. People put their efforts into improving the city. This is how it works. If you can't see that. Oh dear We have another problem stemming up in Limerick. Lack of awareness and basic common sense.

    So the town isnt populated by scumbags?

    and you second point? have you seen Patrick St? and the surrounding areas? the only business left open there are a kebab place, a sex shop, a costume shop and a place that sells bongs and crap for "entertainment" purposes:rolleyes: This is the first area a lot of people see driving into the city, it looks more like inner city Detroit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭sioda


    krudler wrote: »
    So the town isnt populated by scumbags?

    and you second point? have you seen Patrick St? and the surrounding areas? the only business left open there are a kebab place, a sex shop, a costume shop and a place that sells bongs and crap for "entertainment" purposes:rolleyes: This is the first area a lot of people see driving into the city, it looks more like inner city Detroit

    Thats not Patrick street which has Dry Cleaners Polish shop the Bailey to name a few businesses its ellen street you are describing and if its the first place people see they are VERY lost.

    Hard facts are that Patrick and Rutland street were bought with boom money and boom ideas both of which have now burst. Limerick has been a run down city before and come out of it and it will again


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Lads, do the sensible thing and add Mysterious to your ignore lists. His/her optimism was refreshing up to a point, but at this stage it has reduced itself to misguided and naive idealism.


  • Advertisement
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement