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Thomas Cook Grafton Street store occupied by the workers

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Ste.phen


    Alan Rouge wrote: »
    An "illegal" protest ? What would that be ? An illegal protest as opposed to a legal sanctioned protest ? Kinda defeats the purpose of a protest if you've to seek permission from the state.

    There are clearly defined procedures for official pickets, and trespassing on employer property certainly isn't covered. Hence why usually the protests take place *outside*


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Why are you so angry about some workers trying to get some more money from their employers? It's not like it's your money they're trying to get.

    Also, why would they give a fig what other workers think about them? They're just trying to negotiate the best possible deal for themselves.

    You would do the same, and if you wouldn't, you deserve to get only the worst possible option available to you for not being man enough to stand up for yourself and try to get a better deal.
    Maybe people are angry because they see some greedy criminals trying to illegally extort money from a company. It's got nothing to do with it being or not being my money. I'm not so selfish to only have certain morals when it comes to my money and different morals when it's someone else's.

    I don't know about you, but I get a little pi$$ed off with criminals. Especially those that do so blatantly. And then they go on about how it's their right to break the law etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭BroomBurner


    dotsman wrote: »
    Maybe people are angry because they see some greedy criminals trying to illegally extort money from a company. It's got nothing to do with it being or not being my money. I'm not so selfish to only have certain morals when it comes to my money and different morals when it's someone else's.

    I don't know about you, but I get a little pi$$ed off with criminals. Especially those that do so blatantly. And then they go on about how it's their right to break the law etc...

    Lol I wouldn't call a bunch of workers doing what they can to secure themselves a better deal a bunch of criminals.

    You must be a saint. Or spineless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    Lol I wouldn't call a bunch of workers doing what they can to secure themselves a better deal a bunch of criminals.

    You must be a saint. Or spineless.

    BroomBurner I wouldnt waste too much time entertaining certain types here, "a bunch of criminals"? what type of crap is that?, I would'nt think he's a saint, I'd say the latter definately.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    doesnt breaking the law make you a criminal? :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mike kelly wrote: »
    Sinn Fein involvement is one of the few things that could motivate 80 guards to be ready for work at 5 am.

    Conor Cruise? Is that you?
    indough wrote:
    doesnt breaking the law make you a criminal? confused.gif

    Only if you're caught and can't influence/buy your way out of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    indough wrote: »
    doesnt breaking the law make you a criminal? :confused:

    Yea break the law and your a criminal, here's some laws, lets get a posse together and go hunting the law breaking scum.................

    In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession.

    In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760.

    Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane.

    In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home.

    In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal.
    In Rochester, Michigan, the law is that anyone bathing in public must have the bathing suit inspected by a police officer !


    In Kentucky, it's the law that a person must take a bath once a year.

    In Utah, birds have the right of way on any public highway.

    In Ohio, one must have a license to keep a bear.

    In Tennessee, a law exists which prohibits the sale of bologna (sandwich meat) on Sunday.

    In Virginia, the Code of 1930 has a statute which prohibits corrupt practices or bribery by any person other than political candidates.

    In Providence, Rhode Island, it is against the law to jump off a bridge.

    In the State of Kansas, you're not allowed to drive a buffalo through a street.

    In Florida, it is against the law to put livestock on a school bus.

    In New Jersey, cabbage can't be sold on Sunday.

    In Galveston, Texas, it is illegal to have a camel run loose in the street

    In North Carolina, it is against the law for dogs and cats to fight.

    In Singapore, it is illegal to chew gum.

    In Cleveland, Ohio, it is unlawful to leave chewing gum in public places.

    In Virginia, chickens cannot lay eggs before 8:00 a.m., and must be done before 4:00 p.m.

    In New York, it is against the law for children to pick up or collect cigarette and cigar butts.
    In Washington State, you can't carry a concealed weapon that is over 6 feet in length.

    In San Francisco, there is an ordinance, which bans the picking up and throwing of used confetti.

    In Kentucky, it is illegal for a merchant to force a person into his place of business for the purpose of making a sale.

    It is against the law in Connecticut for a man to write love letters to a girl whose mother or father has forbidden the relationship.

    In Michigan, married couples must live together or be imprisoned.

    In the state of Colorado, a pet cat, if loose, must have a tail-light

    In Phoenix, Arizona, you can't walk through a hotel lobby with spurs on.

    In California, a law created in 1925 makes it illegal to wiggle while dancing.

    In Utah, daylight must be visible between dancing couples.

    In Michigan, it is against the law for a lady to lift her skirt more than 6 inches while walking through a mud puddle.

    In North Carolina, it is against the law for a rabbit to race down the street.

    In Georgia, it's against the law to spread a false rumor.

    In West Virginia, one can't cook sauerkraut or cabbage due to the odors and the offence is subject to imprisonment.

    In Missouri, a man must have a permit to shave.

    The law states that more than 3000 sheep cannot be herded down Hollywood Blvd. at any one time.

    In Texas, it is still a "hanging offense" to steal cattle.
    In Massachusetts, it is against the law to put tomatos in clam chowder




    It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State.

    In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel.

    California law prohibits a woman from driving a car while dressed in a housecoat.

    In Memphis, Tennessee, a woman is not to drive a car unless a man warns approaching motorists or pedestrians by walking in front of the car that is being driven.

    In Tennessee, it is against the law to drive a car while sleeping.

    In New York, it is against the law for a blind person to drive an automobile.

    In West Virginia, only babies can ride in a baby carriage.

    In Georgia, it is against the law to slap a man on the back or front.

    A barber is not to advertise prices in the State of Georgia.

    In Louisiana, a bill was introduced years ago in the State House of Representatives that fixed a ceiling on haircuts for bald men of 25 cents.

    In Oklahoma, no baseball team can hit the ball over the fence or out of a ballpark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    how does any of that make any difference to what i said?

    if you break the law, people are entitled to call you a criminal


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Lol I wouldn't call a bunch of workers doing what they can to secure themselves a better deal a bunch of criminals.
    Actually, anybody who breaks the law is a criminal. That's the very definition of a criminal. They were not trying to "secure a better deal" they were illegally trespassing and trying to extort money.
    You must be a saint. Or spineless.
    Nope, my spine is very much there. That's why I've the guts to stand up to criminals and refuse to be bullied by scum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Theta


    I really dont understand why because they were being laid off it was cool for them to break the law, and at the end of the day no one who is siding with them here cant say that they were not!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    uprising wrote: »
    Yea break the law and your a criminal, here's some laws, lets get a posse together and go hunting the law breaking scum.................

    In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession.

    In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760.

    Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane.

    In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home.

    In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal.

    It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State.

    In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel.

    California law prohibits a woman from driving a car while dressed in a housecoat.

    In Memphis, Tennessee, a woman is not to drive a car unless a man warns approaching motorists or pedestrians by walking in front of the car that is being driven.

    In Tennessee, it is against the law to drive a car while sleeping.

    In New York, it is against the law for a blind person to drive an automobile.

    In West Virginia, only babies can ride in a baby carriage.

    In Georgia, it is against the law to slap a man on the back or front.

    A barber is not to advertise prices in the State of Georgia.

    In Louisiana, a bill was introduced years ago in the State House of Representatives that fixed a ceiling on haircuts for bald men of 25 cents.

    In Oklahoma, no baseball team can hit the ball over the fence or out of a ballpark.

    Wow, epic fail. If you're going to quote from a website please include the disclaimer...
    *Laws shown here have been collected from sources believed to be
    reliable, however, there are no guarantees. We recommend that
    you conduct further research if you plan on using any of these in a publication!

    Anyway, just because some American states have some forgotten laws that seem amusing in today's world doesn't mean that people can break the law whenever they want, just because they disagree with it.

    If you believe people should have the right to trespass and extort money from the landlords, then you should go about having the law changed to allow it. That's how a democratic society works. Not that anarchists know much about that...


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Alan Rouge wrote: »
    Don't assume this website or this forum or this thread represents everyone in Ireland . History repeats itself.

    Comparing this to the Lockout is pissing in the memory of those involved in it.
    Lol I wouldn't call a bunch of workers doing what they can to secure themselves a better deal a bunch of criminals.

    You must be a saint. Or spineless.

    So you've no problem with the bankers who abused a system for their own gain? After all, they were just securing themselves a better deal...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    Even Ireland has some weird laws!:
    • It is illegal for a student to walk through Trinity College without a sword.
    • In Trinity college students can demand a glass of wine at any time during an exam, provided they are wearing their sword.
    • It is illegal to smoke any form of tobacco on Grafton St. in Dublin
    • Practicing or pretending to practice any form of witchcraft or occult arts (that includes horoscopes, tarot cards, crystal ball reading, palmistry, reading tea leaves, iridology, divination etc). This also includes healing by occult means (that would include Reki, energy balancing, acupuncture or acupressure, yoga and many other new age pseudo scientific methods which have their roots in eastern religions) is punishable by being locked in the stocks of outside of Dublin Castle (roughly around the Temple Bar area) for 6 months and rotten fruit can be pelted at the culprit. (anyone want to rat out fabulous Fergus or the operators on the tarot line who's advert is shown on TV all the time!)
    Dirty criminal bastarrds


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    looks like it was a pretty big operation :

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    All them Garda to remove a few people who sold holidays for a living.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    I wonder what will happen if TC lets its staff in Scotland go..
    Their laws are slightly different.....

    Scotland:
    • You may not fish on Sundays.
    • It is illegal to be a drunk in possession of a cow.
    • Trespassing on someone else's land is legal.
    • You are presumed guilty until proven innocent for some crimes.
    • If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    uprising wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen if TC lets its staff in Scotland go..
    Their laws are slightly different.....

    Scotland:
    • You may not fish on Sundays.
    • It is illegal to be a drunk in possession of a cow.
    • Trespassing on someone else's land is legal.
    • You are presumed guilty until proven innocent for some crimes.
    • If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter.
    There's no real point in posting every odd law you find on google. You already said yourself that if someone was in trespassing in your home you'd drag them out. So why is the law good enough when it applies to you, but not when it applies to someone else? You kind of shot yourself in the foot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    humanji wrote: »
    There's no real point in posting every odd law you find on google. You already said yourself that if someone was in trespassing in your home you'd drag them out. So why is the law good enough when it applies to you, but not when it applies to someone else? You kind of shot yourself in the foot.

    How did I shoot myself in the foot?, wheather its against the law or not I'd drag the cunnts out of my house.

    So why is the law good enough when it applies to you.........

    Err, where did I mention this law being good for me???, or is this yet another case of trying to put words in my mouth.

    If you want to quote me, quote me from what I actually wrote, not your perception of what I wrote.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    uprising wrote: »
    How did I shoot myself in the foot?, wheather its against the law or not I'd drag the cunnts out of my house.

    So why is the law good enough when it applies to you.........

    Err, where did I mention this law being good for me???, or is this yet another case of trying to put words in my mouth.

    If you want to quote me, quote me from what I actually wrote, not your perception of what I wrote.
    You said you'd drag them out. Why are you allowed to, but if someone tries to drag the shower in Thomas Cook out, they're working for the man? Why do they have more rights to be in there than people in your home?

    It's illegal for both parties to be in either your home or Thomas Cook, yet only you seem to have the right to remove people. That doesn't strike you as odd? Do you think you're better than everyone else? Are you really no better than the "elite" you so hate?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dotsman wrote: »
    That's why I've the guts to stand up to criminals and refuse to be bullied by scum.

    Thats the kind of typed defiance thats made the country the superpower it is....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    uprising wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen if TC lets its staff in Scotland go..
    Their laws are slightly different.....

    Scotland:
    • You may not fish on Sundays.
    • It is illegal to be a drunk in possession of a cow.
    • Trespassing on someone else's land is legal.
    • You are presumed guilty until proven innocent for some crimes.
    • If someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter.

    yeah legal in Scotland not Ireland see theres the difference. You should really stop trying to dig up any tiny piece of irrelevant crap from the internet to try and fight your case.

    The ONLY law that matters is the law of this land and the Thomas Cook staff broke that law in the process of being greedy bastards and were VERY deservedly arrrested for thinking they could give the 2 fingers to the courts and the Gardai.
    dotsman wrote: »
    Actually, anybody who breaks the law is a criminal. That's the very definition of a criminal. They were not trying to "secure a better deal" they were illegally trespassing and trying to extort money.

    thats possibly the most accurate summation of the whole situation summed up in a few sentences and is nail on the head right there :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    I used to buy into all that socialism crap, but as I get older, I have less and less time for it.

    I've read this whole thread, and I still haven't the faintest clue what the point of this protest was. What did the workers want? TC to give them more redundancy pay? TC to reconsider closing the shop?

    As far as I'm concerned, TC has the right to conduct its business whatever way it likes as long as it doesn't break the law.


    On a side note:

    :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    The case in the High Court against the workers protest is a civil case, not a criminal one so it is not right to call them criminals. People have a right to protest in a civil society.
    People should save their outrage for 80 guards needlessly claiming night shift allowance. They could easily have done this with 5 guards (one to boil the water, one to get the cups, one to get the teabags, one to supervise them and one to evict the protesters) during the daytime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    mike kelly wrote: »
    People have a right to protest in a civil society.

    Not by locking themselves inside other peoples propety.

    mike kelly wrote: »
    People should save their outrage for 80 guards needlessly claiming night shift allowance. They could easily have done this with 5 guards (one to boil the water, one to get the cups, one to get the teabags, one to supervise them and one to evict the protesters) during the daytime.

    It wouldnt have to happen at all if these people were'nt doing things they should'nt have been.


    If criminals stopping commiting crimes between 12 and 8 am then a whole shift could be eliminated.Doesnt work that way though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    uprising wrote: »
    Even Ireland has some weird laws!:
    • It is illegal for a student to walk through Trinity College without a sword.
    • In Trinity college students can demand a glass of wine at any time during an exam, provided they are wearing their sword.
    • It is illegal to smoke any form of tobacco on Grafton St. in Dublin
    • Practicing or pretending to practice any form of witchcraft or occult arts (that includes horoscopes, tarot cards, crystal ball reading, palmistry, reading tea leaves, iridology, divination etc). This also includes healing by occult means (that would include Reki, energy balancing, acupuncture or acupressure, yoga and many other new age pseudo scientific methods which have their roots in eastern religions) is punishable by being locked in the stocks of outside of Dublin Castle (roughly around the Temple Bar area) for 6 months and rotten fruit can be pelted at the culprit. (anyone want to rat out fabulous Fergus or the operators on the tarot line who's advert is shown on TV all the time!)
    Dirty criminal bastarrds

    I can assure you that at least the first two are utter tripe.

    Firstly, myths like those pertained to the Foundation Scholars of Trinity, not the students. Secondly, in a 1960s review of the Charters, no such regulations were found to have ever been mentioned. There are a few quirky traditions in Trinity, but stop searching for reactionary **** online and claiming it as fact. It does YOU no good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Just butting in here. Just disgusted at how this thing has turned out. People who screwed this country over for millions and millions and millions are walking the streets freer than ever while the arrests of working class (and one pregnant) women are ordered for wanting a better redundancy. This country is rotting to the core.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    ffs, why should the working class be absolved of the ability to commit any wrongdoing simply because others have committed bigger crimes?

    They got 2.5 times the required redundancy pay, what more do they want?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    ffs, why should the working class be absolved of the ability to commit any wrongdoing simply because others have committed bigger crimes?

    They got 2.5 times the required redundancy pay, what more do they want?
    7-8 weeks would be the norm from a company that made MASSIVE profits last year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    the judge who let them go is an absolute disgrace
    didnt even fine them, he is effective condoning their actions
    they may as well have had Joe Higgins as the judge


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Voltwad wrote: »
    7-8 weeks would be the norm from a company that made MASSIVE profits last year
    We live in a land of laws, not unwritten "norms".


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Dell and Intel got six weeks and they're far bigger companies than Thomas Cook. Holding out for eight weeks is a little unrealistic in the current climate.


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