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Could you ever kill yourself?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Kiera wrote: »
    I need to stop drinking.

    Down With This Sort of Thing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    You need to change your location. People have been hurt over that. Just check out feedback ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Kiera wrote: »
    You need to change your location. People have been hurt over that. Just check out feedback ;)

    I only changed my username today. I'll never leave Cork, the real capital, the people's republic. NEVER.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    Certainly it comes up with yourself as an internally debated topic but could I do it? No, most definitely not. Too many people depend on me.
    But if I was in the position of the ''IT'S GRRRRRRRRRRREAT!'' Frosties kid (R.I.P. lol) where I got bullied everyday constantly and incessantly perhaps then it would seem a plausible avenue to take. But until I actually have to face proper suffering I must assert that I would never commit suicide for the hurt it would cause those around me


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    Euthanasia, yes. Suicide , no. But some people might ask, "What's the difference?"

    Basically,if I was in a coma / had a horrible illness that I was never going to recover from, I'd rather my family just pull the plug.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭Lorrs33


    I could never kill myself, my guilt would follow me into the after life!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭aloevera


    i agree. its very selfish, it'd be horrible on family and friends and the person that'd find you.

    is it wrong that i think about it everyday though!?

    Op said earlier that its needy - i argree. but what when you feel worthless in life, and a burde to others.

    i honestly think ive a paranoia disorder sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    aloevera wrote: »
    i agree. its very selfish, it'd be horrible on family and friends and the person that'd find you.

    is it wrong that i think about it everyday though!?

    Op said earlier that its needy - i argree. but what when you feel worthless in life, and a burde to others.

    i honestly think ive a paranoia disorder sometimes.

    Probably not a great sign


  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭slippy wicket


    if i was going to die a horrible painful lingering death otherwise, i would have to consider it strongly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Ash_M


    Tried it at 14.
    I know that I could, but I don't think I'll ever choose to again.
    A year to the day later I sat back and thought, if I had managed it, i wouldn't have experienced anything I'd done in the last year.
    I definetely am grateful that I didn't succeed, but if things were ever that bad again, or worse, I'd probably comtemplate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Neighbour hung himself on Friday or Saturday.. bad health and the main concern was having to give up leading a 'private' life and sharing it with carers\medical staff, or going into a home of some sort.

    His neighbour took dogs for a walk, she came back to find the house locked, phoned Gardai, he was found having hung himself during the time the dogs were being walked.

    I'm not the suicidal type, I have felt low, but I think people should have absolute choice overy their fate, even a choice which will result in the end of life.

    I reckon in 20 years they'll be giving you tax breaks or perks of some sort to pop your clogs willingly at a certain point in your life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    aloevera wrote: »
    i agree. its very selfish, it'd be horrible on family and friends and the person that'd find you.

    is it wrong that i think about it everyday though!?

    Op said earlier that its needy - i argree. but what when you feel worthless in life, and a burde to others.

    i honestly think ive a paranoia disorder sometimes.

    http://www.aware.ie/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 883 ✭✭✭moe_sizlak


    ive tried to kill myself several times but only on one occasion has anyone other than myself known about it

    unlike most people , i regret that i didnt have the guts to go through with it , thier is nothing more pathetic than a failed suicide attempt , you thought you felt bad before hand , you feel worse afterwards

    the last time i tried it was september 2004 , havent tried it since as i know im too chicken to go through with it so why bother

    as for the comments that people who commit suicide are temporarily our of their minds , thats an over generalisation if ever thier was one , its rarely ever anything to do with a chemical imbalance and is nearly always a reaction to an event in thier life or a culmination of events which led them to that particular point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Gazza22


    The prospect of death frightens me, there's no way i would fast track it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I couldn't do it.

    I enjoy life too much and no matter how bad things have ever been in my life I've never thought that ending my life is the best option.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    If you are prescribed the right anti-depressants making the decision to pop your clogs should be a little easier...

    http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1999-09-29-Lilly-block-research.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Like most people, I've had my low points and the thought has crossed my mind in a more than fleeting way a couple of times.

    People are dying in hospitals every day of terminal illnesses who would give anything for another chance at a long healthy life, people have kids with cancer who would sacrifice everything to make them well, so how in the hell could anyone otherwise fit and healthy throw their life away like that?
    :)

    yes. there is no way i could justify ever doing it with those people in mind.
    i mean imagine the father and mother of a gravely ill child having to go to the funeral of a suicide victim. how cruel is that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    If I was diagnosed with a terminal illness then I'd imagine that I would. I'd much prefer to go out on my terms rather than on a hospital bed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    My uncle discovered the neighbour's daughter hung in her hallway. It really traumatised him. I think people don't realise the effect suicide has on people who are left behind (or if they do, they are in such pain that it overides everything else).

    I have never ever seriously comtemplated it, but I think though if I had a terminal illness I would do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,556 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I remember reading about a trial with rats where they filled a tank they were in with water, increasing the length of time they were in the water with each test. A second group of rats who hadn't been through the water before were introduced later on and it was found that the rats who hadn't been through it before gave up and let themselves drown. That the other group kept paddling shows that the second group didn't give up through physical exhaustion. Anyone who works with birds will know that at a certain point, when the bird feels bad enough, it will just give up and die, even if it could survive.

    Giving up on life exists in the animal kingdom, we've just complicated it and added an extra layer to it with civilisation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 yellowstar


    There were times when I was younger that I considered it, but to be honest it was a romantic notion.... stupid as it seems. I was clueless about what it really was and just focused on the attention side even tho nobody knew

    Since then I have been affected by so many suicides, friends, relatives. acquaintances that there is absolutely nothing romantic or otherwise about it.

    It may take guts as people say here to take your own life but it also takes more to live. Everyone has low points in there life which we deal with and move on. I believe that many of the people who I knew would still be here if it wasnt for alcohol. People feel low, alcohol depresses more and blocks out the consequences of your actions. If they had just gone to bed as opposed to doing what they did they would still be here. We have low points in our life but they always pass. And when we look back on them we realise what we could have missed.

    I could never commit suicide because Ive felt the aftermath and I could never put anyone through that. You may think your kids are better off without you but I can guarantee that they arent and that they will realise what has happened when they get older and that will always stay with them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭Trinity


    Tried twice, failed but i think if i really wanted to i'd be dead by now, they were more cries for help or attention I dont know.


    Ukdavros, your children would not be better off without you. At least alive you can see them and reassure them they have a father that loves them, dont let them grow up thinking you didnt care enough about them.

    I wish my eldests sons father was dead (and no i dont care what ye all think i'm a good person ) cos then i'd have a less painful excuse to tell my son why his father wont see him or reply to him. Cos the truth is he doesnt care. You care about your children you make damn sure they know it and you have to be around to do that. Think of them for the moment and it will pull you through.

    This pain will ease.

    When did she leave?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    killing yourself is for quiters.......

    an losers who dont try at anything and think the whole world is against them and there is no changing it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 mn-wergamers


    No. I'm just to lazy to even think about that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    Mousey- wrote: »
    killing yourself is for quiters.......

    an losers who dont try at anything and think the whole world is against them and there is no changing it

    No, the majority of people who attempt or commit suicide are clincially depressed, a serious mental illness which affects your self-image, world view and suicidal thoughts are one of the symptoms. Winners and losers has got nothing to do with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭Trinity


    A childhood friend of mine jumped from a balcony a few years back, i have no idea why or what possibly could have driven him to it but he was not a loser, he obviously needed help and for what ever reason didnt get it

    The mind is a very powerful thing, sometimes people lose control for various reasons. I was literally sedated for a week so i wouldnt top myself, its a terrifying feeling


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If I was terminal, then probably yea. Depending on the illness too of course. Otherwise no. I've had some really crappy times but I never felt that was an option. I know I'm lucky though not to have that but I feel for people who do feel it's their only option.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Claregirl


    I've experienced both sides as I've suffered for a number of years with depression following the deaths of a number of close family members. My sister died of cancer and she fought to the bitter end. She was given six weeks to live and she managed to cling to life for over 3 months.

    On occasions I've felt so worthless and unhappy and felt that everyone around me would benefit from my death that I've seriously considered it but think i'm too much of a coward to do it. I worry about not doing the job right and making things worse. I also worry about my children believing I don't love them enough to stick around for them.

    UKDavros please don't do that to your children. Talk to your G.P. Help is there for you. There's no magic cure but time does heal.

    No one can predict what the future may bring. If your wife died after you killed yourself your kids would have no-one to love them like only a parent can.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,220 ✭✭✭✭Loopy


    An immediate member of my family committed suicide and it tore my family apart. No-one here can really say if they would take their own life or not as we have no idea whats going to come at us in the future or how well we are equipped to deal with it.

    Yes life is precious and should be cherished but quite simply some people dont want to be on this earth and it is their choice at the end of the day. Some consider it an extremely selfish act but why should the person stay and live a miserable existence, to protect others feelings?

    I have let go 'now' and respect the decision the person made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭eVeNtInE


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    I almost accidently killed myself last week, wasn't a good experience.:rolleyes:

    I'm too much of an optimist to consider doing it intentionally, but i know people who have mostly because of enormous financial pressure. No one has a right to judge, yes meeting those left behind can show it to be an extremely selfish act, but on the other hand, can you imagine the sheer trauma the person is going through that puts them over the edge.


    No hero in your tragedy
    No daring in your escape
    No salutes for your surrender
    Nothing noble in your fate
    Christ, what have you done?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 804 ✭✭✭yerayeah


    I have never considered it and hopefully never will. I like to think that no matter how bad things would get, I still wouldn't consider it but I realise that's a very romantic notion and hopefully I'll never be in a position to find out.

    I'm very grateful that noone close to me has ever committed suicide, being to the funerals of people who killed themselves is so horrible, I can't begin to imagine what goes through people's minds when someone close kills themselves.

    To the people spouting sh1t about losers and quitters, what ridiculous things to say. It shows extreme ignorance of other people's situations. Just be thankful that you have a good life and are of sound mental health. And learn to use a little bit of common sense, a lot of people on this will have known close friends and family who committed suicide, they don't need to see your idiotic views on the subject.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Keano


    Have had thoughts but would never have the guts to take my own life.


  • Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭Keogg


    I have to say I used to think it was a selfish act, like a lot of people here, but there really is a huge amount of people I know who have seriously thought about it, or tried it. Luckily they all seemed to fail too.
    Two months ago a friend of a close friend of mine commited suicide. From our point of view it really didn't look like he should have. But he must have had a good reason, he obviously couldn't see a way out of it. It broke my friends heart though, they were pretty much best friends.

    As for me, No way in hell could I do it.
    A) I'm far too cowardly for that sort of thing.
    B) I'm luckily enough to have a good life, and have never had an extremely low point like so many others
    C) I couldn't do that to my family and friends...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Whosbetter?


    Absolutely not!
    Where there's life there's hope.
    Ya never know what's around the next bend.

    The only exception would be if I got some kind of disease/ condition which would be a long term burden to others close to me.

    Alzheimer's or something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    I managed to talk someone out of it some time back, i was emotionally drained after wards,one thing i learned, never judge anyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭shezzie


    personally i think if you have had any level of bad sh1t happen to you in your life you can feel down and think suicide is the only way out - utter despair brings you to that

    i had a freind turn on me in a bad way he couldnt accept that he would never be more than a mate - and followed me places - he could could tell me what pubs i went to who i spoke to, when i left, if i went onto a club, or went home and what time etc - he tried to break into my home a few times - he hit me and hurt me badly - i felt i couldnt tell my family as my family would have killed him - i have a great loving protective family and take no messing if someone tries to hurt one of us ~(way it should be) - i still every now and again have hassle from him- he will stay away for months then start some of the sh1t again - follow me into and out of pubs - he tried grabbing me out of a taxi few months ago....the sh1t (he also works in the same building as me - different section but same building)

    anyways not to go on bout it too much there were times for a brief second or two that i thought the only way i would get peace from him would to not be here but i wouldnt give him the satisfation - and you never know what tomorrow brings - bout two months ago he was in hospital with some believing he got the stuffing knocked out of him so i suppose what goes around comes around - he deserved it dont like saying that but he did - he should know now what it feels like now....


    so tomorrow can bring a brighter day is all ill say - try and search for the positve in every situation and keep smiling as hard as it may be sometimes it really annoys people who try to p1ss you of to see you constantly smiling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,556 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The only exception would be if I got some kind of disease/ condition which would be a long term burden to others close to me.

    Alzheimer's or something like that.

    Seconded, I wouldn't hang around for long having witnessed it.
    The other situation where I would probably want to die is total paralysis, the real bitch being you are no longer capable of ending it yourself and nobody can legally help you in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    Mousey- wrote: »
    killing yourself is for quiters.......

    an losers who dont try at anything and think the whole world is against them and there is no changing it

    no you moron , killing oneself is for winners who cant live with the fact that they are failures , a loser wouldnt care if he was a failure


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 andy23


    i secretly admire people who kill themselves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 403 ✭✭madbev90210


    For anyone who thinks suicide is selfish or for quitters or losers, thank your lucky stars that youv never had to feel the absolute and utter despair that completely distorts and destroys your reasoning, your logic and your innate belief in the preservation of life. Thank your lucky stars again that you dont think your so unbelievably worthless of anything that everyone, regardless of how much they love you would be better off without you because all you do is cry and hide from everyone, and sometimes dont even talk because your just so exhausted of fighting the constant thoughts of ending this big pile of ****tiness that is your life.

    People know that mental illnesses exist, for eg schizophreia etc. So I wish that people would recognise other mental illnesses exist, perhaps somewhat more hidden and therefore taboo and embarrassing.

    Im not condoning suicide as such, I do believe people can be helped and go on to lead good lives and I would urge people feeling this way to try every possible route for help be it anti-d's, therapy, hospitalisation etc because suicide is final and theres no coming back. Comparing the act of suicide as being unfair when people have terminal illnesses is unfair in itself. Id say most suicidal people would rather have a terminal illness and be someone who values life, as opposed to apparently being "lucky" in life but wishing you were dead! Depression witth suicidal tendencies is, to me, the worst thing people can suffer from.. its pure and simple hell..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Babbit


    People who say 'suicide is for quitters' don't have a ****ing clue. I've always noticed that people like me - ie, people with family members who killed themselves - aren't nearly so quick to judge. Depression is an evil, barely descripable illness of the mind - DO NOT DEMEAN IT. I always wonder how people can laugh at depression and other such illnesses - but get overly evangelical when someone mentions cancer. What is the difference between a disease of the mind and the body?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Maddison


    Wow Its seems quite a lot of people try. Admittedly I did in my silly selfish teenage years and failed miserably but was very sick afterwards(liver damage).
    I cant even friggen kill myself right! Now.... now matter how bad things get I couldnt do that to my little boy....I would never want anyone to tell him his mammy killed herself:(

    Ughhh Im going back to my happy place........its depressing here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    andy23 wrote: »
    i secretly admire people who kill themselves.

    i openly admire them , the world would be a much better place is more people commited suicide , anti social parriah,s and other toxic scum who turn thier hate outwards and engage in criminal lifestyles and such


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    irish_bob wrote: »
    i openly admire them , the world would be a much better place is more people commited suicide , anti social parriah,s and other toxic scum who turn thier hate outwards and engage in criminal lifestyles and such

    I know what you're trying to say overall in that post but cop on. Comments like that aren't welcome. Seriously.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Babbit


    javaboy wrote: »
    I know what you're trying to say overall in that post but cop on. Comments like that aren't welcome. Seriously.

    Its ludicrous that all he got is a slight slap of the wrist. His post was obscene and evil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    Babbit wrote: »
    Its ludicrous that all he got is a slight slap of the wrist. His post was obscene and evil.

    it is you post with its visciously personal and baseless accusation that is obscene , i have reported you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    irish_bob wrote: »
    no you moron , killing oneself is for winners who cant live with the fact that they are failures , a loser wouldnt care if he was a failure

    Banned for personal abuse of another poster.

    Babbit please do not rise to trolling and also any comments/queries on moderator actions should be raised by PM and not on thread. This is just to stop threads being dragged off topic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    A cousin of mine, 39 years of age, threw herself into the river suir two weeks ago. Most people were oblivious to the fact that she was in such pain despite the fact she had made so many threats to carry out the inevitable. I watched her entire family and mine, fall into despair.

    Her sister was the last person to talk to her and i don't want to repeat what was said, but the girl carried out what was probably on her mind for near on 20 odd years because of stuff that happened in her childhood.

    In the last 5 years, I have lost 7 people to suicide and each time I contemplate whats going on, it never makes sense. If someone is in soo much pain that the only way out of that pain is to die, then who's to say if it's the right or wrong thing to do. We'll never know and please God we'll never know what drives a misfortunate soul to such measures as to take their own life, in spite of what they leave behind.

    All I say is, life's a b1tch and treat with respect, those that die in such a way as it leaves everyone they know, in such pain and awe.

    RIP Shaz


  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭wicklaman83


    javaboy wrote: »
    Banned for personal abuse of another poster.

    Babbit please do not rise to trolling and also any comments/queries on moderator actions should be raised by PM and not on thread. This is just to stop threads being dragged off topic.

    so why wasnt irish bob banned:rolleyes:.ffs Babbit only attacked the post not the poster;)


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