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Could you ever kill yourself?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Four-Percent


    darren254 wrote: »
    so why wasnt irish bob banned:rolleyes:.ffs Babbit only attacked the post not the poster;)

    Did you read Javaboy's full post?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭useful_contacts



    What would you do if you lost everything? Money, reputation, dignity etc.

    MONEY - Ive about 3500 in savings- believe me im sure id live:D (ok just copped v bad pun lol)

    Rep - I dont have one of them- and if i do i sure dont know about it

    Diginity - What???


    Tbh, cowardly as it may sound, I wouldn't kill myself, no matter how much everyone else hated me.

    No thats heroic- killing yourself is selfish and cowardly. Nothings so bad that you need to end your life


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    MONEY - Ive about 3500 in savings- believe me im sure id live:D (ok just copped v bad pun lol)

    Rep - I dont have one of them- and if i do i sure dont know about it

    Diginity - What???





    No thats heroic- killing yourself is selfish and cowardly. Nothings so bad that you need to end your life

    For the first saturday nite in like 3 years I've stayed in and ya know what? god help ya if ever have ta face something that you have no control over. I love boards, even though I'm only on here a couple of months, but to see someone make little of such a thing.....Thats not nice.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭useful_contacts


    renraw wrote: »
    God help ya if ever have ta face something that you have no control over. .....

    I have faced loads of stuff i had no control over- and i didnt **** up my familys and friends life by killing myself.

    You dont know any of what i have been through so dont get all high and mighty with me.
    renraw wrote: »
    I love boards, even though I'm only on here a couple of months, but to see someone make little of such a thing.....Thats not nice.....

    Ill tell you whats "not nice". Killing yourself and leaving your family with questions and "What Ifs" and not knowing why you did it. Dont you start with me cos ive been through this with a family member and ill never forgive him for doing it and leaving us with all the questions we have. Its selfish plain and simple!!!!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    Each to their own! greatest gift God gave to humanity was free will... compassion and empathy is an emotion that most people have and understand, others could spend their entire existence trying to grasp such. If someone decides to commit suicide, I'm sure one of the last things to cross their exhausted minds is that of loved ones and unfortuantely I am, like most people, just a spectator


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭useful_contacts


    renraw wrote: »
    Each to their own! greatest gift God gave to humanity was free will... compassion and empathy is an emotion that most people have and understand, others could spend their entire existence trying to grasp such. If someone decides to commit suicide, I'm sure one of the last things to cross their exhausted minds is that of loved ones and unfortuantely I am, like most people, just a spectator

    Fair enough- I apoligise i got a bit mad there. It wasnt me belitting your opinion it was me voicing my own greivance- and i apoligise.

    I think(and my past would be a factor in this) that the only way suicide should be an option is if you are a vegtable and in incredible pain(and dying anyway).

    I feel that theres nothing so bad that you need to end your life. I had friends when i was younger who tried to kill themselves over JUNIOR CERT GRADES.Thats just a joke!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 johns


    I don't think I could. It depends though if I had a terminal illness and I was suffering everyday like if you where paralised and somebody else would do it for you I think I would agree. But if your healthy and killing yourself when your just in a bad patch I think it would be really selfish, just think of all the people you would leave behind, all the lost potential and broken dreams. Your family would never recover and may even blame themselfs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭useful_contacts


    johns wrote: »
    I don't think I could. It depends though if I had a terminal illness and I was suffering everyday like if you where paralised and somebody else would do it for you I think I would agree. But if your healthy and killing yourself when your just in a bad patch I think it would be really selfish, just think of all the people you would leave behind, all the lost potential and broken dreams. Your family would never recover and may even blame themselfs

    agreed +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭giveth


    • Drive in one direction until you reach the ocean.
    • Say hello to everyone you pass during the day.
    • Frown until your mouth muscles hurt (then see how much easier it is to smile.)
    • Create your own alphabet.
    • Start a scrapbook.
    • Make something you invented or invent something you can make.
    • Figure out if has no solution for non zero integers x, y, and z if n is an integer greater than two.
    • Make a BLT.
    • Work the crossword puzzle.
    • Count backwards from 10 billion by 13s.
    • Visit a yard sale.
    • Put on some really comfortable shoes. Walk somewhere in them.
    • Make something nice for someone and give it to them.
    • Go see a movie. (See two or three in a row. You may have to make extended visits to the restroom between films.)
    • Read The Lost Soul Companion.
    • Make your own list of things to do instead of killing yourself (and then do them.)
    • Organize your own mock funeral, invite family and friends, encourage them to eulogize you. (Tell them how you've really been feeling lately and see what happens.)
    • Let someone proofread your suicide note.
    • Build a fort.
    • Meditate.
    • Shampoo your hair. Repeat if desired.
    • Create an elaborate hoax. (Try not to get arrested.)
    • Get arrested.
    • Blow the stink off!
    • Sneak into a church. Enjoy the sunlight and quiet.
    • Write me a letter. (Be assured of a hopeful reply.)
    • Volunteer somewhere.
    • Doodle.
    • Enter a contest.
    • Write a poem.
    • Just breathe.
    • Take a class.
    • Finish something you started.
    • Drink a cup of tea with sugar and milk if that's how you like it.
    • Jump up and down on a big trampoline.
    • Pray.
    • Eat a tomato.
    • Pet a kitty cat.
    • Smoke a cigarette. (It's slower.)
    • Answer your telephone the next time it rings. (I know you haven't been...)
    • Ask a stranger for some good advice.
    • Paint a mural.
    • Start a garden.
    • Do the dishes. (It's OK if you've let them pile up. Wash a couple of them at least.)
    • Visit lostsoulcompanion.com.
    • Rescue an animal.
    • Take your loose change to the bank.
    • Play some beautiful music.
    • Ask an old person to tell you a story.
    • Make yourself breakfast in bed.
    • Eat cookies.
    • Stare at clouds.
    • Visit the maternity ward.
    • Send flowers anonymously.
    • Make a long to-do list. Do everything on it.
    • Set a world record.
    • Open the curtains.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    I'd love ta go more in depth with my own emotions but alas, ye know yerselves...we all have bad times. Some find it easy ta deal with stuff soo much better than others. I can truly understand what does go on in peoples heads when they do lose sight....Tis a mad world


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Babbit


    Renraw, I feel your pain man. Its such a serious and horrible thing to happen to a family. I know myself only too well what its like - I think I went through all the stages of initial anger and confusion, apathy, anger again, bewilderment, cynicism, even more anger and finally a huge downpour of tears. It riles me so much when people make light of depression or suicide.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Babbit


    P.S.

    This is a poem that literally changed my life. I hope you find something hopeful in it:

    What is this life if, full of care,
    We have no time to stand and stare.

    No time to stand beneath the boughs
    And stare as long as sheep or cows.

    No time to see, when woods we pass,
    Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass.

    No time to see, in broad daylight,
    Streams full of stars, like skies at night.

    No time to turn at Beauty's glance,
    And watch her feet, how they can dance.

    No time to wait till her mouth can
    Enrich that smile her eyes began.

    A poor life this if, full of care,
    We have no time to stand and stare.

    By William Henry Davies.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    Babbit wrote: »
    P.S.

    This is a poem that literally changed my life. I hope you find something hopeful in it:

    What is this life if, full of care,
    We have no time to stand and stare.

    No time to stand beneath the boughs
    And stare as long as sheep or cows.

    No time to see, when woods we pass,
    Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass.

    No time to see, in broad daylight,
    Streams full of stars, like skies at night.

    No time to turn at Beauty's glance,
    And watch her feet, how they can dance.

    No time to wait till her mouth can
    Enrich that smile her eyes began.

    A poor life this if, full of care,
    We have no time to stand and stare.
    By William Henry Davies.

    Sound out bro...thats actually sound fookin out man, cheers...sound


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    People from all walks of life ,rich and poor , kill themselfs all the time and in a lot of cases what most if not all of them had in common , is a feeling of such deep emotional sadness , pain and and anguish , that waking up to face another day of it becomes to much .It may have taken them many years to come to this decision .I think if a lot of people are honest they would say that they have thought of suicide at least once in their lives .

    I know one person who is in such physical pain and has being for many years .She told me herself that she sometimes wish's she didn't wake up .That is not to be said or taken lightly , the girl has felt like this for quite some time and means it .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭smileysurfer


    I could never kill myself, to put my family and everyone I know through that is the most selfish act imaginable imo!!!!
    Theres always another choice, getting help being the first one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Obviously not life is amazing. Only weak people kill themselves or contemplate it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    Obviously not life is amazing. Only weak people kill themselves or contemplate it.

    What? yeah right :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    What really annoys me is people saying it is "the most selfish act you can do" etc etc. While I don't think I could, I have thought about it many times. I also possess a gun which would make it so much easier.

    Some people are not strong enough to get through the bad times, they cannot cope and may have very little help.

    Man1 - I am suicidal, I cannot cope with life.

    Man2 - Don't be an idiot, that's the stupidiest thing I have ever heard.

    Man1 - *pulls out gun, shoots himself in the head*

    It's not right to say people are selfish for killing themselves, the people who say they are selfish are the ones who are selfish. The people that are left behind sobbing and crying are the ones who are selfish. There are reasons that people kill themselves, ones which you or me will never understand. Billionaire kills himself, we think, WTF? He had sooo much money, all the cars, the huge houses, all the women. So what... maybe he had some severe problems which could not be fixed. He simply did not want to continue his life. He has every right to end it. Do I think it is the right thing to do? No, but it sure is the easiest...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Obviously not life is amazing. Only weak people kill themselves or contemplate it.

    Absolute poppycock. Come backwith a response when you know something about it.



    I have thought about it, never attempted. Was due to depression. It is not a nice feeling to have at all when you think like this. It's called suicidal ideation and is a symptom of depression.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭Porkpie


    OP, it's easy for normal, healthy minded people to be shocked at the idea of suicide. When circumstances in life become unbearable to deal with, who knows how they would react? If someone was going to inflict a terrible slow tortorous death on you wouldn't you prefer to just kill yourself instead? Likewise, some people find the pain of living equally unbearable. IMO an impossible question to answer for most people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 UsWe


    Death is Easy, Life is Hard


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭smileysurfer


    UsWe wrote: »
    Death is Easy, Life is Hard

    Good Twilight quote!
    I agree with it though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Dan Chipowski


    I think this is a question you can't answer.

    It's impossible to know what is happening in the mind of people who attempt/commit suicide. And unless you experience something like that, I think it's impossible to say how you would handle it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭The Big Red Button


    Could I ever kill myself? I can honestly say it's not something I have ever considered at all. And maybe I'm a bit unusual in that respect - not everyone suffers from depression, but most people (in my experience) go through a bit of an angsty teenage phase where they consider suicide at least briefly ... I had the angst alright, but I honestly never ever considered killing myself.

    My life's pretty good, but if it got bad, as far as I'm concerned there's a massive massive world out there, and nothing to stop me going far away and starting a whole new life for myself.

    If I got sick, even if it was terminal, I'd like to think that I'd hold on for as long as I possibly could and die a natural death when the time came. Of course, I can't say for certain, never having been in that position.

    However there's not much point discussing whether I'd do it because I was sick, or because of financial worries, etc. As far as I'm aware, the majority of people who kill themselves don't do so in response to external events/circumstances in their life - they do so because of depression, because of a chemical imbalance in their brain over which they have no control. Physical illness I can handle; mental illness is something which I have never experienced first-hand, the the thought of ever suffering from it terrifies me.

    I know and understand this, that it's outside anyone's control; however if a friend or family member were to ever commit suicide, I know I would blame myself forever for not helping, or for not helping enough. I have no doubt about that. I'm sure there are plenty of others that feel the same - you know that logically it's not your fault, but you're going to spend the rest of your life wondering was there anything you could have done?

    Even if I ever did come close to considering it, I would like to think that I'd bear this in mind, and not inflict such a future on my friends and family - no matter how hard and painful it would be for me to keep on living.

    What a depressing post. I love my life, I have a lot going for me, and hopefully those things will never change.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Obviously not life is amazing. Only weak people kill themselves or contemplate it.
    Try living in physical pain most of your life ,were even walking to a bathroom from your bedroom takes 25 minutes and at a snails pace then come back to us .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Oh The Humanity


    Wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want my Mam or any family members to go through the pain ....

    (of fighting over my priceless chattels!) ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Obviously not life is amazing. Only weak people kill themselves or contemplate it.

    RugbyFanatic

    Do not post in this thread again unless you have something worthwhile to contribute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    No way would I do kill myself.

    If I lost everything then I'd just take revenge :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭sadhbhc15


    I'd only consider it if for some reason I had to die so that those I care about could live. I don't really see how something like that would crop up though.

    However, the thread title 'Could you ever kill yourself?' is impossible to reply to accurately. We can all say no we wouldn't and that it's selfish, etc. but fact is unless you're in that situation one can't even contemplate it. It's an act stable and happy people are highly critical of because they've never been in a place as dark as many suicide victims have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    I've heard people say that it's the ultimate act of bravery to take ones life.
    Personally i think there is nothing more cowardly no matter what with the one exception that is terminal illness.
    We all make mistakes in life and ****ty things just sometimes happen and what makes us worthwhile human beings is gathering ourselves up and putting ourselves back together again and battling against our troubles.
    In the situation like the OP the truly brave thing to do would be to spend the rest of your life trying to make up for it even if you knew no one would ever forgive you it's not about making other people think your good it's about building up and regaining your own self respect.
    To give up like that means you've lost all self worth. I've stood on the edge of that presipice where i did truely consider it because of what i thought others thought of me and i made a damn firm decision to never let others opinions get into my head again and i'm a much happier person because of it.
    I am who i am and i'm not perfect but neither is anyone else.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Don't mean to ruin the tone of the thread but I asked a friend once if he could ever kill himself. He said he would, there's no point going on if life becomes unbearable. So I said to him 'what about your friends and family? They would have to live with the pain'.

    He immediately says that he has thought about this and that if he does decide to kill himself, he'll kill all his family first so they don't have to deal with the pain.

    I don't see much of this guy anymore.

    As for me, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Some people on this thread don't get it. You don't have to have a major episode in your life to contemplate suicide so it's not just a case of 'get on with it, you'll be grand'. People need help and as soon as people get over the fcuking stigma of someone with mental health problems maybe the more people that can be helped!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    If I were depressed to the point of suicide I'd try my hand at some heroin first, and maybe I'd do all sorts of other terrible things to make myself feel better.

    If it were for some ideal or great purpose then I'd like to think I'd be able to do it. But who knows.

    I don't think it's cowardly or anything like that, perhaps in some cases it is inconsiderate. But a well thought out and planned ahead suicide is quite the feat. I don't have an admiration for people who kill themselves because of physical pain though, that's a different ball game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    If I was hated for some reason by everyone I once new and loved? Probably, yeah. But until something like that happens I'll allow the world to continue enjoying my existence. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    DanGerMus wrote: »
    We all make mistakes in life and ****ty things just sometimes happen and what makes us worthwhile human beings is gathering ourselves up and putting ourselves back together again and battling against our troubles.
    Yes and something we dont give ourselfs enough credit for, getting back up again

    In the situation like the OP the truly brave thing to do would be to spend the rest of your life trying to make up for it even if you knew no one would ever forgive you it's not about making other people think your good it's about building up and regaining your own self respect.
    Was listening to bbc news report today about a body of a suicide victim being dug up for DNA test as it's now thought the deceased , who addmited to a murder back in the early 80s but was not believed , may have being telling the truth after all .
    The DNA test will probablly prove once and for all if he did it but one of the question asked was, did this guy kill himself because of guilt at what he had done ? Like some people would not be able to live with themselfs and guilt be a major factor in a lot of suicides .

    To give up like that means you've lost all self worth. I've stood on the edge of that presipice where i did truely consider it because of what i thought others thought of me and i made a damn firm decision to never let others opinions get into my head again and i'm a much happier person because of it.
    I am who i am and i'm not perfect but neither is anyone else.
    No , we are not and trying to live up to impossible expectations put on ourselfs ( or by others) is not very healthy


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    Thank God (or Budha), I'm human, like soo many, we wonder n yet worry if there is a "spirit in the sky"....lads, i'm after waachin too many people top themselves and then watch the destruction that follows! I am not a judge but what I do know is that when people decide to take their own lives, all we can do is stand back and watch!

    this is something very close to me because I see what destruction the pre and post decision makes and ya know what? i do not hate nor care throw a decision on to someone that cannot take pain, at whatever level.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    i've been deep down in the pit and so i understand why people do it but i decided to fight it out in the hope things would get better and they did.it's simply a matter of how you look a things.
    i could name about 12-15 guys (it always seems to be blokes) i knew growing up who've topped themselves,4 of them good friends(2 of 'em within a week of each other),and it still makes me angry.
    why didn't they ask and why didn't i see it?
    such a waste.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    wudangclan wrote: »
    i've been deep down in the pit and so i understand why people do it but i decided to fight it out in the hope things would get better and they did.it's simply a matter of how you look a things.
    i could name about 12-15 guys (it always seems to be blokes) i knew growing up who've topped themselves,4 of them good friends(2 of 'em within a week of each other),and it still makes me angry.
    why didn't they ask and why didn't i see it?
    such a waste.

    its never a waste, just people....:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭laoisforliam


    RugbyFanatic

    Do not post in this thread again unless you have something worthwhile to contribute.

    Is the poster not entitled to their opinion?
    No one was attacked with this post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    the lack of understanding of major mental illness is frightening.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 496 ✭✭renraw


    I thought this thread dissappeared....n ye know wat, i'm after seeing one or two peeps stand there n be ******rs....I wish i had the people that decided to take ther life out and then I would have some answers, not just for me but to one or two that I seem to be picking the pieces up from....:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13



    In my eyes the person who succumbs to suicide is a weak individual everyone has problems but grow a pair and deal with them.

    This and your last statement are not just offensive, they are also complete bollox. You haven't an earthly clue what you are on about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Could I commit suicide? Yes
    Would I commit suicide? hhmmm..that depends

    But only say for example if my nieces or nephew needed a transplant etc and I was compatible and all other means exhausted.
    I wouldn't expect their parents to do it as they would be needed and since I don't have a family (kids etc) I'm gladly give me life to save theirs.
    I've seen people lose their kids to sickness and it tears them up. I can see they'd gladly give up their lives to save their kids if they could.

    Interesting about the chemical imbalance thing..there always seems to be a history of suicides in the family for most of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Absolutely,but only if I had a terminal disease. I think it should be allowed for terminal ill people to have the option.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    I have been in very bad places in my life and the worst was when I was young and in school, I was bullied alot and thought about doing it, I know I could never do it as it would devastate my family and too many people rely on me for different things.

    People who do it IMO are not selfish or cowards but rather sad mentally ill people, I think it is unfair to call suicide victims cowards or selfish as each persons circumstances are so different and I think Irish society badly needs to come out of itself with regards to mental illnesses. Alot of people have at some point in there lifes been down and this may be undiagnosed depression, people who admit openly then are stigmatised with terms like "mad in the head" and "there's a weakness there". Awareness of these issues is something we lack and people need to realise that it can be easier to hurt peoples feelings and that sometimes people are not all "hard men".

    I really think I could never again contemplate it as life really is your own oyster and there is so so much you can do and try. We all have hopes and dreams and I hope to try and realise as many of them as possible in my life. One thing that helps me get through the low ebbs are happy memories and my belief in the afterlife. There is always something different each day and this alone is worth living for no matter how crap your life is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭beardo81


    In my eyes the person who succumbs to suicide is a weak individual everyone has problems but grow a pair and deal with them.

    Yes they are weak, mentally weak. Can they deal with their problems? Of course not if they're weak. Does someone deserve to die, even by their own hand, if they're weak?

    NEVER.

    Help and understanding are needed, not small minded comments like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    you never know till you go


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    Not a chance.

    Well, there is one scenario. Anyone ever see that video on youtube of the asteroid hitting earth and what would happen? If events played out the way they do in that video, we in Ireland would have several hours of media reporting, boards going mental, and a few hours to comprehend that we are ALL going to be dead in a few hours, and literally, not a single thing we do or say can change that. I would probably wait as late as possible so I wouldnt be killed by the searing heat or fire, and then die, on my own terms, in my own way.

    Apart from that, no. Cos I could never meet Kimi if I did kill myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Not a chance.

    Well, there is one scenario. Anyone ever see that video on youtube of the asteroid hitting earth and what would happen? If events played out the way they do in that video, we in Ireland would have several hours of media reporting, boards going mental, and a few hours to comprehend that we are ALL going to be dead in a few hours, and literally, not a single thing we do or say can change that. I would probably wait as late as possible so I wouldnt be killed by the searing heat or fire, and then die, on my own terms, in my own way.

    Apart from that, no. Cos I could never meet Kimi if I did kill myself.

    have a big party, nothing hurts when youre plastered drunk. you might blackout before it happens and then wake up somewhere else


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭useful_contacts


    I was just read in about the recent suicide of Roh Moo-Hyun who killed himself due to his last legacy (being a clean politician), being muddied by recent corruption revelations.

    A German billionaire killed himself when he lost everyhting a few months ago.

    What would you do if you lost everything? Money, reputation, dignity etc.

    Tbh, cowardly as it may sound, I wouldn't kill myself, no matter how much everyone else hated me.

    Thats not cowardly- killing yourself and leaving behind everyone who loves you is cowardly


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