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    #362
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    well for celts its only used for classification of culture and the languages
    we dont know the people, in ireland anyway

    anglo-saxon from the angles and the saxons (few other germanic tribes)

    deny that, twill be funny if you do or can

    The Angles had a culture as did the Jutes and the Saxons, Romans, Danes, Normans, Gaels, proto-Picts, Picts and Britons. The latter of these groupings being cultures derived from the base stock that washed up on these shores from the Basque region at the end of last ice age. They constitute by far the greater part of the genepool on both islands.

    Making out that everybody English is Saxon and that everybody Irish is a Gael is exactly the kind of nonsense that the BNP partake in. It is nonsense nomenclature fit only for deluded racialists who have taken myth for history. Sadly it is what underpins the whole notion of nationalism.


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    #363
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    BigEejit wrote: »
    Who was it that quoted wiki earlier? oh yeah, it was you.... so if wikipedia had something on race that would make it true right?

    lol Maybe you should have read it properly....

    "Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity. Today many scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation". Many contend that while racial categorizations may be marked by phenotypic or genotypic traits, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into races or racial groups, are social constructs"

    That's the majority position and the scientifically correct one.


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    #364
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    well, saying that is psrticulry stupid
    in general, and genetics have shown it also

    it doesnt underpin nationalism, for a large amount of nationalists in ireland anyway (cant speak for others)


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    #365
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    lol Maybe you should have read it properly....

    "Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity. Today many scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation". Many contend that while racial categorizations may be marked by phenotypic or genotypic traits, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into races or racial groups, are social constructs"

    That's the majority position and the scientifically correct one.

    where is the qoute from?


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    #366
    BigEejit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭BigEejit


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    lol Maybe you should have read it properly....

    "Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity. Today many scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation". Many contend that while racial categorizations may be marked by phenotypic or genotypic traits, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into races or racial groups, are social constructs"

    That's the majority position and the scientifically correct one.
    Why not quote the whole paragraph?
    However, the concept of race may be useful in forensic anthropology. According to forensic anthropologist George W. Gill, "race denial" not only contradicts biological evidence, but may stem from "politically motivated censorship" in the belief that "race promotes racism".[4]
    Which is very pertinent here and almost exactly describes your position.


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    #367
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    The Angles had a culture as did the Jutes and the Saxons, Romans, Danes, Normans, Gaels, proto-Picts, Picts and Britons. The latter of these groupings being cultures derived from the base stock that washed up on these shores from the Basque region at the end of last ice age. They constitute by far the greater part of the genepool on both islands.

    yes, and the basques would have came into contact with gauls and celtic ibernians from both sides

    the celts - linguisticly and culturaly
    the term is common place in archaeology - altho careful on the meaning

    and culturaly exclusively with no doubt


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    #368
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    well, saying that is psrticulry stupid
    in general, and genetics have shown it also

    it doesnt underpin nationalism, for a large amount of nationalists in ireland anyway (cant speak for others)

    Why then do they sing tunes about Saxons? Of course it underpins it, the people who were around when nationalism came into being were steeped in such nonsense. It was the poorly thought out science of the day.


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    #369
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    saxon and etc etc - are names, groupings etc

    symbols of groups of similar people


    is that dificult to understand?


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    #370
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    Why then do they sing tunes about Saxons?


    tar me with that wide brush

    why do you sing tunes of king billy?


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    #371
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Belfast wrote: »
    I though that a requirement of member ship of the BNP.

    I would have thought so. unfortunately for them it is also a criminal offence under English Law

    It kinda ****s your election manifesto when the core component is illegal :D
    BigEejit wrote: »
    Indeed, I used to live on one of the streets behind the Iceland shop, ahhh happy days happy days .... well, except for my car broken into twice, high rent, constant noise, rubbish schools etc etc.

    I had the joy of working at the Alcatel Factory two or three days a week for a few months.

    what a kip!


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    #372
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    BigEejit wrote: »
    Why not quote the whole paragraph?

    Which is very pertinent here and almost exactly describes your position.

    George W Gill is just one man. He isn't the scientific community and holds a minority view. Even at that what he seeks to deliniate as constituting "races" are the minor differences between the general populations of African, European and Asian origin. If you told him Saxons and Gaels were different "races" he'd most likely laugh in your face I'd say.


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    #373
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    saxons spoke a diff language and came from a different place - diff culture

    gael/celt whatever - the same


    we and they were all humans -but i cant believe you are denying race


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    #374
    BigEejit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭BigEejit


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    George W Gill is just one man. He isn't the scientific community and holds a minority view. Even at that what he seeks to deliniate as constituting "races" are the minor differences between the general populations of African, European and Asian origin. If you told him Saxons and Gaels were different "races" he'd most likely laugh in your face I'd say.
    Nice. His point is of no use because he is just one man and anyway he would laugh in my face if I suddenly got a strange version of racial tourettes syndrome and shouted "saxons and gaels are different races" at him.

    Also, from the paragraph: "Many scientists have argued..... ". So in your dictionary many = majority?


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    #375
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    tar me with that wide brush

    why do you sing tunes of king billy?

    When I was young and deluded I sang about Saxons with the worst of them. Even our national anthem banged on about Gaels and Saxons when it was written. The resistance to what I'm saying is certainly very strong in the false consciousness of the national collective. I'll remind you of post #321 that began this dialogue and your thanks on post #354. I'd say the brush was well enough on target.


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    #376
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    qoute those messges and show where
    i sing about the saxons

    otherwise shut up, your a troll or just a bit slow


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    #377
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    BigEejit wrote: »
    Nice. His point is of no use because he is just one man and anyway he would laugh in my face if I suddenly got a strange version of racial tourettes syndrome and shouted "saxons and gaels are different races" at him.

    Sure if 1000 scientists say that the lunar mantle is made of olivine, orthopyroxene and clinopyroxene and one say's it's made of cheese who will you go with?
    BigEejit wrote: »
    Also, from the paragraph: "Many scientists have argued..... ". So in your dictionary many = majority?

    That's just the way wiki is written, if you look at the literature that position is the majority position.


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    #378
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    Unemployed people = Nazi's

    You know it makes sense....



    wtf btw?


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    #379
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    qoute those messges and show where
    i sing about the saxons

    otherwise shut up, your a troll or just a bit slow

    :rolleyes:

    Is that really the best you have in support of your position?


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    #380
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    Sure if 1000 scientists say that the lunar mantle is made of olivine, orthopyroxene and clinopyroxene and one say's it's made of cheese who will you go with?



    That's just the way wiki is written, if you look at the literature that position is the majority position.


    1000 useless crackpot scientists or one respected - quality and accuracy not quantity is important

    anyone usin wikipedia - should be plain ignored in any discussion

    my god you have the poorest arguments


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    #381
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Is that really the best you have in support of your position?


    ive stated my posistion, without resorting to name calling like you did with false allegations also

    ;)


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    #382
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    saxon and etc etc - are names, groupings etc

    symbols of groups of similar people


    is that dificult to understand?

    Not at all but the symbolism is false and inaccurate. Why you're failing to grasp that I don't know. The BNP also fail to grasp the exact same concept.


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    #383
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    how is it inacurate
    its a distinction between different groups - fairly simple concept

    was it the bnp that had combat 18 links?


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    #384
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    okay


    simply are you denying that there are anglo-saxons?
    or celts (this isnt clear cut and does have debate-but on the whole) ?

    just answer those please


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    #385
    RaverRo808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭RaverRo808


    fryup wrote: »
    i beg to differ, they have strong links with loyalist terror groups, and their members gave hassle to irish people at the cheltenham race festival a few years back

    As far as I know the loyalist groups and BNP dont see eye to eye,despite sharing similar ideaologies,Loyalists are more akin to the likes of Combat 18 and White Wolves,neo nazi groups


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    #386
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    okay


    simply are you denying that there are anglo-saxons?
    or celts (this isnt clear cut and does have debate-but on the whole) ?

    just answer those please


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    #387
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    okay


    simply are you denying that there are anglo-saxons?
    or celts (this isnt clear cut and does have debate-but on the whole) ?

    just answer those please

    Yes exactly, I'm saying such groupings are makey uppy nonsense that bear little relation to reality beyond the fact that apes are inclined to fall for that type of thing.


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    #388
    RaverRo808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭RaverRo808


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    Not at all but the symbolism is false and inaccurate. Why you're failing to grasp that I don't know. The BNP also fail to grasp the exact same concept.

    Your starting to talk aload of gick now at this stage,your ideas are so primative and simple its laughable,I think your just going on about it to annoy us all,it comes accross as we all evolved from apes and are all human therefore whats the point in race or culture,so your name is O'Coonassa,a nice authenic Irish as Gaelige name,but whats the point in having it,sure isnt nationalism all aload of crap and areant we all human at the end of the day?


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    #389
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Everybody thinks HIS country is superior because HE was born in it.


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    #390
    O'Coonassa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    RaverRo808 wrote: »
    Your starting to talk aload of gick now at this stage,your ideas are so primative and simple its laughable,I think your just going on about it to annoy us all,it comes accross as we all evolved from apes and are all human therefore whats the point in race or culture,

    That's pretty much it. We are still but apes and apes have certain instinctive behaviours that lead to geno-cide and other horrors. The false concept of race is a large part of this and so we should leave it behind like we left our monkey tails. Think of it as evolution.
    RaverRo808 wrote: »
    so your name is O'Coonassa,a nice authenic Irish as Gaelige name,but whats the point in having it,sure isnt nationalism all aload of crap and areant we all human at the end of the day?

    You actually know people called O'Coonassa? It's makey up satirical humour from the pen of Flann O'Brien poking fun at the Gaelically Gaelic Gaels and their Gaelicisms. http://www.necessaryprose.com/poormouth.htm


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    #391
    conchubhar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    Degsy wrote: »
    Everybody thinks HIS country is superior because HE was born in it.

    not all - and the bnp take it to the extreme


    etreme extrem nationalist


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