"Southern" Ireland... do you mean 'Ireland'?

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 12:50pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Politically correct socialists. When I was at School the teachers took great delight in telling you all about Britains past and how nasty imperial Britian had corrupted the world.

That is why I am surprised English schools are using books which are so far off the mark.

I'm also very surprised people call Ireland southern Ireland, I thought it was only americans that did that.

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Could you tell me where the English parliament is? while you're at it, could you tell me what nationality Gordon Browne is?

What did England rape and pillage in Wlaes, there wasn't much left after the irish had finished;)

Your view on UK history is very err, unbalanced.

I never really made any bold statement or "view" on UK history.

Parliament is in Westminister.
Brown is Scottish
Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.
In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

CDfm · 10-12-2008 1:07pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

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Well RTE are west Brits

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-12-2008 1:20pm

CDfm wrote: »

Well RTE are west Brits

Perhaps they meant Carlow which is in [the] southern [part of] Ireland.

getz · 10-12-2008 1:23pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".

I never really made any bold statement or "view" on UK history.
Parliament is in Westminister.

Brown is Scottish

Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.

In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

dosent wales scotland and northern ireland have there own parliaments ?the only one who hasent is england ,yet the welsh scotish and irish vote on english matters,but the english have no say on what goes on in the rest of the uk -

CDfm · 10-12-2008 1:31pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Perhaps they meant Carlow which is in [the] southern [part of] Ireland.

Southern Ireland is not what the state is called - we dont call Iran Persia or Beijing -Peking.If the mean the Republic of Ireland say that.

RTE is the state broadcaster and they should get it right.

The reason I used west brit is that they seem to defer to the BBC terms as some kind of gold standard and if they mean Carlow they should say Carlow and by any definition Carlow is in Leinster or the Midlands.

englander · 10-12-2008 1:32pm

As well as RTE, I hear it all the time from Irish colleagues - the term Southern Ireland.

Conversation would be along the lines of

Me: Is that in Northern Ireland ?
Them : No, Southern Ireland.

So stick that in your pipes and smoke it, my Southern Irish friends.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 1:36pm

getz wrote: »

dosent wales scotland and northern ireland have there own parliaments ?the only one who hasent is england ,yet the welsh scotish and irish vote on english matters,but the english have no say on what goes on in the rest of the uk -

Essentially Scotland, Wales and to an extent Northern Ireland all have home rule. It's all fairly complicated but quite interesting if you're into it. Wales and England are one legal entity. Scotland has it's own laws whereas Wales falls under English law. Scotland has a parliament and Wales have an assembly.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 1:39pm

englander wrote: »

As well as RTE, I hear it all the time from Irish colleagues - the term Southern Ireland.

Conversation would be along the lines of

Me: Is that in Northern Ireland ?
Them : No, Southern Ireland.

So stick that in your pipes and smoke it, my Southern Irish friends.

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

Deedsie · 10-12-2008 1:57pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

Id agree with that, Constitution says the name of the country is Ireland/Eire.

Scots, Welsh or Unionist from the North would be offended if they were refered to as Northern England, Wengland, Occupied Six Counties...

And if anyone refers to Britain as the mainland tell them to f**k right off.

We are coming up to 100 years of Independent Ireland, the name of the country should be respected at this stage. Alot of UK citizens and a few Irish citizens consider Ireland as still part of the UK or wish it was.

veryangryman · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

The British do not care about us. Nor should we care what they think.

FTIW they also do not care (and know little about) Belgium, Denmark, Switzerland and numerous other insignificant places in the greater scheme of things.

They think were backward farmers and we think their ****. Both statements are generalisations

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

Deedsie wrote: »

Id agree with that, Constitution says the name of the country is Ireland/Eire.

Scots, Welsh or Unionist from the North would be offended if they were refered to as Northern England, Wengland, Occupied Six Counties...

And if anyone refers to Britain as the mainland tell them to f**k right off.

We are coming up to 100 years of Independent Ireland, the name of the country should be respected at this stage. Alot of UK citizens and a few Irish citizens consider Ireland as still part of the UK or wish it was.

I've a mate who just started College in Swansea there in Sept. and she says most of the people in her flat don't know where Scotland is and aren't aware that it's a seperate country, albeit technically.

CDfm · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

I dont understand.

Why doesnt England have its own parliment or assembly?

Does that make it Southern Scotland or Eastern Wales?

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:02pm

veryangryman wrote: »

The British do not care about us. Nor should we care what they think.

FTIW they also do not care (and know little about) Belgium, Denmark, Switzerland and numerous other insignificant places in the greater scheme of things.

They think were backward farmers and we think their ****. Both statements are generalisations

They cared enough about us to want to own the whole damn country!
As has been pointed out Ireland figures in UK history fairly promenantly. Ireland is about 100 or so miles from English soil, reading a tad up on what your neighbouring island is officially called doesn't require that much effort. Especially in these dayz of the information superhighway

Fratton Fred · 10-12-2008 2:04pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".
Parliament is in Westminister.

Brown is Scottish

Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.

In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

Sorry, Politically correct AND Socialist, is that better.

I know where Westminster is, but that is where the UK Parliament is based, not teh English one. As Getz says, there is no English parliament, assembley call it what you like. There is however a Scottish Prime Minister so effectively despite the fact that 85% of the UK live in England, the Scots have more control over what happens in the UK than the English do, how does that work.

Thatcher closed down mines all over the UK, not just Wales. what has that got to do with anything. they also flooded valleys all over northern England and Scotland to create reservoirs, again not just in Wales.

If anyone in the UK is being raped and pillaged, it is the English tax payer tbh.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:07pm

CDfm wrote: »

I dont understand.

Why doesnt England have its own parliment or assembly?

Does that make it Southern Scotland or Eastern Wales?

England = United Kingdom / United Kingdom = England

England did have it's own parliament but an act was passed to dissolve it and create the Parliament of Great Britain.

As I said, the history of Wales, Scotland and England is huge and can be complicated. I don't pretend to understand it all

CDfm · 10-12-2008 2:19pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

England = United Kingdom / United Kingdom = England

England did have it's own parliament but an act was passed to dissolve it and create the Parliament of Great Britain.

As I said, the history of Wales, Scotland and England is huge and can be complicated. I don't pretend to understand it all

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

Hank Scorpio · 10-12-2008 2:29pm

who cares what people in england think

we are free from foreign rule for a very long time now and thats all that matters to me

mike65 · 10-12-2008 2:37pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

]Welsh valley was flooded [/URL]in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was
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ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hundreds must have died.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 3:56pm

CDfm wrote: »

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

The UK Parliament is in England, no need for a second one I suppose.
This is all a bit off topic. Is there much movement on that UK boards' site ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-12-2008 8:36pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Politically correct socialists. When I was at School the teachers took great delight in telling you all about Britains past and how nasty imperial Britian had corrupted the world.

That is why I am surprised English schools are using books which are so far off the mark.

I'm also very surprised people call Ireland southern Ireland, I thought it was only americans that did that.

As long as you differentiate between being politically left and being PC/socialist.

You had some strange teachers that sound like they could have used some counselling to deal with their issues instead of being let loose on young impressionable minds. I've said it before and I'll say it again, history is nothing more than the teaching of hate. Not unlike religion.

Reflector · 10-12-2008 9:29pm

In most drop down menus it's listed as Ireland and not ROI so most of the world are aware we are a seperate country.You hope that the smart brits will educate themselves. I think that history is very skewed in favour of any country and I feel sorry for Germany because if you dig into any countries past you can see huge atrocities and even during that time of Nazism both America and Britain were starting Eugenics policies that were shelved after details of the holocaust came to light.
Also we're not Angels ourselves. I remember reading somewhere that when the Irish piled off the boats in New York during the Famine they basically went around the docks lynching the newly emanciapated blacks in order to take all their jobs. But depsperate times and all.

pablomakaveli · 10-12-2008 10:30pm

CDfm wrote: »

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

Westminster was originally the english parliament but after the act of union the welsh, scottish and irish parliaments were abolished and MPs from these countries were moved to westminster which became the parliament for the united kingdom as it remains today minus representatives from the republic of ireland
(or s******n ireland;)).

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 10:36pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Westminster was originally the english parliament but after the act of union the welsh, scottish and irish parliaments were abolished and MPs from these countries were moved to westminster which became the parliament for the united kingdom as it remains today minus representatives from the republic of ireland
(or s******n ireland;)).

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

Wales only has an assembly which I don't think is the same thing ?

Anyway, if they're that bothered then they could let them go. I'd be all for a Scottish/Welsh/Irish Union.

A Dub in Glasgo · 10-12-2008 10:43pm

The English can set up their own parliament if that is what they wanted. I believe the good people of North East England rejected the opportunity to have an assembly for the region.

pablomakaveli · 10-12-2008 10:45pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Wales only has an assembly which I don't think is the same thing ?

Ya you're right thats my mistake.:o

I reckon they should abandon the UK altogether. the union is just a hangover from imperial times and is fairly pointless in this day and age. But i suppose thats their problem.

If an english guy asked me if i was from "southern ireland" id just say "no,i'm from the Republic of Ireland but i guess you welsh guys would'nt know much about that":D

CDfm · 11-12-2008 12:29am

pablomakaveli wrote: »

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

They governed other people long enough they have forgotten how to govern themselves:eek:

Its sounds like a full English Breakfast - Danish bacon, scottish eggs, cypriot tomatoes;irish potato,welsh sausages and Israeli Oranges and a Pot of English Tea from India. Cant the English do anything for themselves.

CDfm · 11-12-2008 12:31am

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I believe the good people of North East England rejected the opportunity to have an assembly for the region.

Is North East England in Scotland . I thought they had their own parliment.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 11-12-2008 12:32am

CDfm wrote: »

They governed other people long enough they have forgotten how to govern themselves:eek:

Its sounds like a full English Breakfast - Danish bacon, scottish eggs, cypriot tomatoes;irish potato,welsh sausages and Israeli Oranges and a Pot of English Tea from India. Cant the English do anything for themselves.

haha

Post of the day

Red Sleeping Beauty · 11-12-2008 12:54am

CDfm wrote: »

Is North East England in Scotland . I thought they had their own parliment.

North East England is in England, Scotland is in Scotland . There's a border. The area around the border is known as "the borders". I hear that the Scottish around these areas are a bit wierd.

CDfm · 11-12-2008 1:19am

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

North East England is in England, Scotland is in Scotland . There's a border. The area around the border is known as "the borders". I hear that the Scottish around these areas are a bit wierd.

Ive heard the people are very sensitive there and live in places called Pity Me and Great Cockup

http://www.nestoria.co.uk/pity-me/property/buy[/url

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Cockup

"Southern" Ireland... do you mean 'Ireland'?

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