Pitch And Putt

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 11:45AM

Kingdom wrote: »

Personally I thought DT had as good a chance as anyone, and with him getting to the S/F tonight he sure of a spot, but I think he'll still need a good showing in the dub stroke to cement it.
Ger probably would need to get to the final of the matchplay and make the last round of the strokeplay to make it.

I think Darren will need to win it to get on it, if he fails he must make the top 5 in the dublin strokeplay

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 11:48AM

Wigertoods wrote: »

No unfortuneatly not.Missed out by 2.Struggled on the back nine twice having got a good start to both rounds.Couldn't see the cut being 100.Thought I needed the last 4 but 2 would have done it.
Will be in tullamore none the less to be depressed again.:(:(

Hard luck Wiger sorry I thought I saw two CY players there. Hard luck.

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 11:50AM

Kingdom wrote: »

I'll find out Hitman and I'll post it up here in the next couple of days. You thinking of making the journey?

Ye im going to make the journey mate, played there 7 years ago in the scratch cup and did 8 off 4 handicap at that time - so be looking forward to it

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 11:52AM

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Kingdom this was the early comment i put

I say at the moment - Sean Harkins will be on it

In the running

Winner of Dublin Matchplay
Winner of Dublin Strokeplay
Overall performance on the Dublin/National Strokeplay
2 spots left

Paul Nolan again in with a shout, 4th in Leinster, last 8 in the matchplay (dublin strokeplay will be his gateway in) that would leave 1 spot could be frank ryan if he fails to win the matchplay - who knows to be fair

Good stuff Hitman, that seems to be a fair appraisal. now we play the waiting game.

Tipperman · 12-06-2008 11:58AM

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Kingdom this was the early comment i put

I say at the moment - Sean Harkins will be on it

In the running

Winner of Dublin Matchplay
Winner of Dublin Strokeplay
Overall performance on the Dublin/National Strokeplay
2 spots left

Paul Nolan again in with a shout, 4th in Leinster, last 8 in the matchplay (dublin strokeplay will be his gateway in) that would leave 1 spot could be frank ryan if he fails to win the matchplay - who knows to be fair

Dublin cannot go another year without Paul Nolan on the Team in fairness..... Last 8 in the Matchplay for the Last 2 years, as Hitman said 4th in Leinster.. It is not feasable to leave a player of this stature of the team.. He is a bigtime player in my opinion. The guy has been chosen for the Squad for the World Cup and only 4 Dubs are in it.. He is currently the second highest ranked Dublin player the PPUI rankings.... No matter how the rest of the season turns out he should be the first name on the Dublin list..... Sean Harkins will also be there and deserves to be there due to his consistency, I believe also they will pick Derek no matter what his season is like... Eoin Mithen will also be there or thereabouts after his score last week as will Frank Ryan. The two Darrens from CPM will be there or there abouts... Gary Healy, Ger Fitz & Fred McMahon will be in contention and don't forget Skinner who had the Top Individual Score last year.. The Selectors don't forget things like that in fairness but I will await in anticipation for updates over the remaining few months:cool:

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:03PM

Tullamore Scr Cup Sunday 22nd July
First Card 9 am
Last card 2.30pm
Entry €10

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 12:05PM

Tipperman wrote: »

Dublin cannot go another year without Paul Nolan on the Team in fairness..... Last 8 in the Matchplay for the Last 2 years, as Hitman said 4th in Leinster.. It is not feasable to leave a player of this stature of the team.. He is a bigtime player in my opinion. The guy has been chosen for the Squad for the World Cup and only 4 Dubs are in it.. He is currently the second highest ranked Dublin player the PPUI rankings.... No matter how the rest of the season turns out he should be the first name on the Dublin list..... Sean Harkins will also be there and deserves to be there due to his consistency, I believe also they will pick Derek no matter what his season is like... Eoin Mithen will also be there or thereabouts after his score last week as will Frank Ryan. The two Darrens from CPM will be there or there abouts... Gary Healy, Ger Fitz & Fred McMahon will be in contention and don't forget Skinner who had the Top Individual Score last year.. The Selectors don't forget things like that in fairness but I will await in anticipation for updates over the remaining few months:cool:

Cheers tipperman, but i feel i need a good leinster matchplay and dublin strokeplay, as u said derek and skinner can be on it, there great to have on a team, full of praise and advice, but dublin need move on and experiment with new blood - why not this year??

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:06PM

Tipperman wrote: »

Dublin cannot go another year without Paul Nolan on the Team in fairness..... Last 8 in the Matchplay for the Last 2 years, as Hitman said 4th in Leinster.. It is not feasable to leave a player of this stature of the team.. He is a bigtime player in my opinion. The guy has been chosen for the Squad for the World Cup and only 4 Dubs are in it.. He is currently the second highest ranked Dublin player the PPUI rankings.... No matter how the rest of the season turns out he should be the first name on the Dublin list..... Sean Harkins will also be there and deserves to be there due to his consistency, I believe also they will pick Derek no matter what his season is like... Eoin Mithen will also be there or thereabouts after his score last week as will Frank Ryan. The two Darrens from CPM will be there or there abouts... Gary Healy, Ger Fitz & Fred McMahon will be in contention and don't forget Skinner who had the Top Individual Score last year.. The Selectors don't forget things like that in fairness but I will await in anticipation for updates over the remaining few months:cool:

I think if derek was picked this year without doing anything of note (I think he hasn't qualified for a championship yet) it would be the straw the camels back at this stage.

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 12:06PM

Kingdom wrote: »

Tullamore Scr Cup Sunday 22nd July
First Card 9 am
Last card 2.30pm
Entry €10

Cheers Kingdom

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 12:08PM

Kingdom wrote: »

I think if derek was picked this year without doing anything of note (I think he hasn't qualified for a championship yet) it would be the straw the camels back at this stage.

True kingdom , derek didnt have to waulify for the national or the dublin's so if he weas top dub and did well in the dublins they'll put him on it

Tipperman · 12-06-2008 12:16PM

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Cheers tipperman, but i feel i need a good leinster matchplay and dublin strokeplay, as u said derek and skinner can be on it, there great to have on a team, full of praise and advice, but dublin need move on and experiment with new blood - why not this year??

I can't agree with you more Hitman but go back over the years in fairness... Young Blood has never really got the opportunity to blossom... Last year you had Eoin Mithen who in fairness played fantastically well....I remember Chris Gallagher playing at Lakeside in 05.. Paddy O'Connor got his chance etc but you only ever had 1 young players surrounded by experience players and I can't see that trend changing but it should... The Selectors won't know if it works unless they try it but maybe they are unwilling to take the chance in case of a backlash etc.. We all agree the system is so terribly wrong but it is up to the players to get together along with their clubs and try and enforce change next year

This year though, Dublin will have a tremendous chance of doing well in Cashel with the right team!!

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:28PM

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

True kingdom , derek didnt have to waulify for the national or the dublin's so if he weas top dub and did well in the dublins they'll put him on it

And to be fair its because of his performances last year that gives him the exemption and his is thoroughly deserving of it. At the end of the day though if he got a place in the dublin stroke would you say he's on the team in merit?
And I'm saying that with absolutely no malice, a nicer guy you couldn't meet.

Draupnir · 12-06-2008 12:34PM

Does anyone else think we desperately need a dedicated Pitch and Putt forum at this point! 840 odd posts in this thread!

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:35PM

Tipperman wrote: »

Dublin cannot go another year without Paul Nolan on the Team in fairness..... Last 8 in the Matchplay for the Last 2 years, as Hitman said 4th in Leinster.. It is not feasable to leave a player of this stature of the team.. He is a bigtime player in my opinion. The guy has been chosen for the Squad for the World Cup and only 4 Dubs are in it.. He is currently the second highest ranked Dublin player the PPUI rankings.... No matter how the rest of the season turns out he should be the first name on the Dublin list..... Sean Harkins will also be there and deserves to be there due to his consistency, I believe also they will pick Derek no matter what his season is like... Eoin Mithen will also be there or thereabouts after his score last week as will Frank Ryan. The two Darrens from CPM will be there or there abouts... Gary Healy, Ger Fitz & Fred McMahon will be in contention and don't forget Skinner who had the Top Individual Score last year.. The Selectors don't forget things like that in fairness but I will await in anticipation for updates over the remaining few months:cool:

In fairness there is new blood coming through in Dublin, the likes of which you've mentioned Tipperman, and they aren't afraid of the established players, yet it is the less heralded guys like Gary Healy, Tom Mason, Liam Collins, Phil Byrne, Terry McDonnell that have done the business outside of Dublin. The younger guys are just missing a bit of consistency. What I think shows the strength in depth in Dublin at the moment is that talented players like George McGreal, Stephen Murray, Chris Gallagher, Junior Smith, Dennis Monaghan are nowhere near the county team at the moment, nor are they even being discussed.

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:42PM

Draupnir wrote: »

Does anyone else think we desperately need a dedicated Pitch and Putt forum at this point! 840 odd posts in this thread!

Unfortunately while there are numerous posts there are only a few posters. And if myself and Tipperman didn't work for the same, erm lets say company;), I doubt I'd have as much time to post as I do.
The funny thing is I heard there were loads of anonymous posters on the website that hosted the live draw for the matchplay.
We badly need a dedicated forum, but unfortunately I can't see such a thing getting any exposure on the PPUI website while being a seperate entity, nor can I see such a forum being moderated strongly enough.
After all there was a bad reaction (which I thought was ott) to some of things that were referred to about Fred, so we'll have to see.

FlawedGenius · 12-06-2008 12:43PM

Tipperman wrote: »

Kingdom

The lad you are looking for is William Forristal... I haven't seen him on the circuit in nearly two years... Declan Sheedy is still going strong.. A good steady player who always does well in the Scr Cups and normally quals for all the Majors

Eh im not sure, but DT birdied the first 4 and don't tink he got much after that so id say he was 6 r 7 under.I was 7 for 15 (could of been better) and won 5&3.Lowe and McLaughlin was a poor match thats what McLaughlin said they were no better then 4 under for 16.Dont kno bout Frank and Sean.

Draupnir · 12-06-2008 12:46PM

Kingdom wrote: »

Unfortunately while there are numerous posts there are only a few posters. And if myself and Tipperman didn't work for the same, erm lets say company;), I doubt I'd have as much time to post as I do.
The funny thing is I heard there were loads of anonymous posters on the website that hosted the live draw for the matchplay.
We badly need a dedicated forum, but unfortunately I can't see such a thing getting any exposure on the PPUI website while being a seperate entity, nor can I see such a forum being moderated strongly enough.
After all there was a bad reaction (which I thought was ott) to some of things that were referred to about Fred, so we'll have to see.

The main reason I think we need our own forum is related to the number of different topics being discussed. I agree that it will be difficult to get a large number of people involved here without it being attached to the official PPUI site. It would be good if they were to set up their own online community to complement the real world community.

Draupnir · 12-06-2008 12:47PM

GerCPM wrote: »

Eh im not sure, but DT birdied the first 4 and don't tink he got much after that so id say he was 6 r 7 under.I was 7 for 15 (could of been better) and won 5&3.Lowe and McLaughlin was a poor match thats what McLaughlin said they were no better then 4 under for 16.Dont kno bout Frank and Sean.

7 for 15 is still great scoring, particularly considering that it would have been belting rain while you were playing your match no?

I know I played in a club comp. last night and the weather played havoc with scoring.

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:52PM

Draupnir wrote: »

The main reason I think we need our own forum is related to the number of different topics being discussed. I agree that it will be difficult to get a large number of people involved here without it being attached to the official PPUI site. It would be good if they were to set up their own online community to complement the real world community.

man I had to laugh at that we sound like nerds....or loopers....or both

If someone wants to email the PPUI office and ask for the forum to be included on the links I'd have no qualms about it.

Draupnir · 12-06-2008 12:54PM

Looper nerds who would much prefer to be playing Pitch and Putt than sitting here talking about it online, but unfortunately it's the next best thing!

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 12:56PM

GerCPM wrote: »

Eh im not sure, but DT birdied the first 4 and don't tink he got much after that so id say he was 6 r 7 under.I was 7 for 15 (could of been better) and won 5&3.Lowe and McLaughlin was a poor match thats what McLaughlin said they were no better then 4 under for 16.Dont kno bout Frank and Sean.

I spoke to Andy yday and he said the play between them wasn't great. He felt his form of the previous days left him, and had he played anything like the rest of the week he'd have won.
He is another guy who has been unlucky with form and circumstance over the years. Undoubtedly has the ability to be a top player, he's just been unlucky.

FlawedGenius · 12-06-2008 12:57PM

Kingdom wrote: »

Personally I thought DT had as good a chance as anyone, and with him getting to the S/F tonight he sure of a spot, but I think he'll still need a good showing in the dub stroke to cement it.
Ger probably would need to get to the final of the matchplay and make the last round of the strokeplay to make it.

I wouldnt be so sure about that Kingdom.Thornberry has to win it the same as me.Hes failed to qualify for LeinsterS/P and NationalS/P dont forget but a top 5 finish in DublinS/P and he has a great chance.Id love to see him get on the team but he has to win DubMply semis I dont think isnt good enough.To answer TIPPERMANS question yes Skinner won Lucan but thats his home track.

Tipperman · 12-06-2008 12:57PM

Kingdom wrote: »

In fairness there is new blood coming through in Dublin, the likes of which you've mentioned Tipperman, and they aren't afraid of the established players, yet it is the less heralded guys like Gary Healy, Tom Mason, Liam Collins, Phil Byrne, Terry McDonnell that have done the business outside of Dublin. The younger guys are just missing a bit of consistency. What I think shows the strength in depth in Dublin at the moment is that talented players like George McGreal, Stephen Murray, Chris Gallagher, Junior Smith, Dennis Monaghan are nowhere near the county team at the moment, nor are they even being discussed.

I agree there Kingdom and point is very well put across.... The Old County Lads are probably the best supporters of Scr Cups throughout the Country and have been for a while even when you were with them... Not many people would have known that Stephen Murray shot 92 at the St Bridgets Scr Cup this year... He may not have finished up in the prizes but a great score nonetheless... I remember when I first started in Adult Grade in 1997 it was madness to think that Junior, Denis Mon, Skinner, Hayden and Derek were left off the team... I know I played in a rain soaked Navan in 98 with Denis Monaghan and I got a great buzz from the following that Dublin bring.. In Waterford Glass though in 99 the team changed somewhat with Brendan O'Shea and Hubert Kelly making the team and what happened..... Dublin won the event by 5 shots, and haven't won it since... The Dubs, jesus I would love some of the players to come down south to us, have unreal talent as Kingdom has pointed out.. Consistency for all their players is the big thing... Someone said to me last year that Dublin didn't have a chance with the team they had in Lakewood... My words were, " Are ya joking me or what" Eoin Mithen (a player I have no problem in saying I had never heard off before RGSC last year) performed gallantly in his first National Strokeplay and brought this to the Inter County... If you give the underdog a shot i.e Eoin Mithen, Darren Thornberry, Stephen Murray I can guarantee, they will never let you down.. Why??? Cos they will say to themselves, I will take advantage of this now as I may never get the opportunity to play for Dublin again... It is my view....

Like Kingdom says, talent is in abundance up there but I have to say, is it not about time that we saw more of the Capital players challenging for Titles... They certainly have the players as DOR should in 2003 and Derek should last year... They are the seasoned players.. The younger players have to step up to the plate now and force the selectors to pick them...

I really hope though, that the Dublin team that is chosen, is the strongest and most consistent team at that particular time and they don't look back on the past as time waits for no man!!!!

Tipperman · 12-06-2008 01:03PM

GerCPM wrote: »

I wouldnt be so sure about that Kingdom.Thornberry has to win it the same as me.Hes failed to qualify for LeinsterS/P and NationalS/P dont forget but a top 5 finish in DublinS/P and he has a great chance.Id love to see him get on the team but he has to win DubMply semis I dont think isnt good enough.To answer TIPPERMANS question yes Skinner won Lucan but thats his home track.

Has any Dublin player won outside the Capital.. I know it is still very early in the Scr Cup season

FlawedGenius · 12-06-2008 01:03PM

Kingdom wrote: »

In fairness there is new blood coming through in Dublin, the likes of which you've mentioned Tipperman, and they aren't afraid of the established players, yet it is the less heralded guys like Gary Healy, Tom Mason, Liam Collins, Phil Byrne, Terry McDonnell that have done the business outside of Dublin. The younger guys are just missing a bit of consistency. What I think shows the strength in depth in Dublin at the moment is that talented players like George McGreal, Stephen Murray, Chris Gallagher, Junior Smith, Dennis Monaghan are nowhere near the county team at the moment, nor are they even being discussed.

Very true Kingdom

FlawedGenius · 12-06-2008 01:22PM

Draupnir wrote: »

7 for 15 is still great scoring, particularly considering that it would have been belting rain while you were playing your match no?

I know I played in a club comp. last night and the weather played havoc with scoring.

It was raining but it didnt affect us much.Conditions were still fairly easy

Draupnir · 12-06-2008 01:23PM

GerCPM wrote: »

It was raining but it didnt affect us much.Conditions were still fairly easy

I found our greens harder to pitch on with the wet surface, but then again you have a much better idea of what you are doing than I do!!

Wigertoods · 12-06-2008 01:29PM

Tipperman wrote: »

Dublin cannot go another year without Paul Nolan on the Team in fairness..... Last 8 in the Matchplay for the Last 2 years, as Hitman said 4th in Leinster.. It is not feasable to leave a player of this stature of the team.. He is a bigtime player in my opinion. The guy has been chosen for the Squad for the World Cup and only 4 Dubs are in it.. He is currently the second highest ranked Dublin player the PPUI rankings.... No matter how the rest of the season turns out he should be the first name on the Dublin list..... Sean Harkins will also be there and deserves to be there due to his consistency, I believe also they will pick Derek no matter what his season is like... Eoin Mithen will also be there or thereabouts after his score last week as will Frank Ryan. The two Darrens from CPM will be there or there abouts... Gary Healy, Ger Fitz & Fred McMahon will be in contention and don't forget Skinner who had the Top Individual Score last year.. The Selectors don't forget things like that in fairness but I will await in anticipation for updates over the remaining few months:cool:

Whilst I totally agree with you comments and the the fact that it is a crying shame that Paul has been overlooked for a place on the Inter county team up to now I must point out that Hitman has a few inaccuracies in his assesment of Paul's progress this year.
Paul didn't finish 4th in the Leinster s/p,that went to Sean Harkins who lost out on third to Willy Buckley on back 18.Paul finished 2 shots further back in joint 8th.Also his loss in the Dublin m/p to Jim Mclaughlin also from Erin's isle was in the last 16 and not the last 8 as Hitman has claimed.
I do believe though that Paul has played well enough this year not to overlooked again and would say that he well deserves to be there.

Kingdom · 12-06-2008 01:53PM

Tipperman wrote: »

I agree there Kingdom and point is very well put across.... The Old County Lads are probably the best supporters of Scr Cups throughout the Country and have been for a while even when you were with them... Not many people would have known that Stephen Murray shot 92 at the St Bridgets Scr Cup this year... He may not have finished up in the prizes but a great score nonetheless... I remember when I first started in Adult Grade in 1997 it was madness to think that Junior, Denis Mon, Skinner, Hayden and Derek were left off the team... I know I played in a rain soaked Navan in 98 with Denis Monaghan and I got a great buzz from the following that Dublin bring.. In Waterford Glass though in 99 the team changed somewhat with Brendan O'Shea and Hubert Kelly making the team and what happened..... Dublin won the event by 5 shots, and haven't won it since... The Dubs, jesus I would love some of the players to come down south to us, have unreal talent as Kingdom has pointed out.. Consistency for all their players is the big thing... Someone said to me last year that Dublin didn't have a chance with the team they had in Lakewood... My words were, " Are ya joking me or what" Eoin Mithen (a player I have no problem in saying I had never heard off before RGSC last year) performed gallantly in his first National Strokeplay and brought this to the Inter County... If you give the underdog a shot i.e Eoin Mithen, Darren Thornberry, Stephen Murray I can guarantee, they will never let you down.. Why??? Cos they will say to themselves, I will take advantage of this now as I may never get the opportunity to play for Dublin again... It is my view....

Like Kingdom says, talent is in abundance up there but I have to say, is it not about time that we saw more of the Capital players challenging for Titles... They certainly have the players as DOR should in 2003 and Derek should last year... They are the seasoned players.. The younger players have to step up to the plate now and force the selectors to pick them...

I really hope though, that the Dublin team that is chosen, is the strongest and most consistent team at that particular time and they don't look back on the past as time waits for no man!!!!

The two Old County lads were the two that came into my head as I'd know them well, that wasn't mentioning players like Andy Lowe, who when he gets it into the head is a fine player, Gary McGreal, a Semi Finalist in the Leinster matchplay a few yrs ago, not really playing anymore.
There are a whole host of players around Dublin not in contention that would do justice in an inter county,
O'Connor, Collins, Mithen, bert Kelly another superb player that just seemed to stop playing, lads from Lucan, like Kane, Gallagher, Keegan, McMahon, all super players.

a point about the Lougho lads, in partìcular Eoin, I remember him saying he couldn't enter the matchplay competitions due to not having time to travel during the week, that is another reason why it might be practical to bring trials into Dublin. Reserve two places for wild cards and have trials for the rest. Is it practicle to county matchplay towards a county team?

HITMANHEALY · 12-06-2008 01:55PM

Wigertoods wrote: »

Whilst I totally agree with you comments and the the fact that it is a crying shame that Paul has been overlooked for a place on the Inter county team up to now I must point out that Hitman has a few inaccuracies in his assesment of Paul's progress this year.
Paul didn't finish 4th in the Leinster s/p,that went to Sean Harkins who lost out on third to Willy Buckley on back 18.Paul finished 2 shots further back in joint 8th.Also his loss in the Dublin m/p to Jim Mclaughlin also from Erin's isle was in the last 16 and not the last 8 as Hitman has claimed.
I do believe though that Paul has played well enough this year not to overlooked again and would say that he well deserves to be there.

Sorry wiger i got the leinster wrong, in fact it was the national final 8 i was talking about

Pitch And Putt

Comments